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"Adam.

I believe the only thing you got right in that post was your first sentence when you said

"I'm not totally clear on this,"

I didn't create the narrative. here's the narrative.

Since God's holy Sabbath day is on a Saturday and we are to honor God's Sabbath day which is the fourth commandment is it wrong for us to be going to church on Sunday shouldn't we be going to church on Saturday.

I used James 2:10. to say you can't just focus on the sabbath day and leave the other 9 commandments out.

And perfectly means ALL of them, all the time!! Are you saying that's wrong? if so you are saying it's ok not to obey the 10 commandments.

And I said the law was given to Israel. Is that wrong? Romans 9:4.

And I gave Colossians 2:14-16.

And you may have read "We rest in the finished work of Christ on the cross"

It doesn't mean we don't have to keep the 10 Commandments!

It means we are no longer condemned by the 10 Commandments. This is the complete work of God.

The 10 commandments is called the ministration of Death.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

When someone says we obey God by and through the Spirit isn't that obeying God?

The Spirit commands the heart not the flesh. You have to ALREADY be born again to obey it.

The law commanded the flesh and the flesh is weak! read Romans 7.

This is what James is talking about in James 2:14. Your faith is to be confirmed by good works!

It has nothing to do with the sabbath day.

Again my reason for using

James 2:10. is to say why if you're going to be under the law you have to be perfect.

Furthermore I have no idea how teaching this teaches people to sin when the scripture says

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:27-28.

I don't see why you and Gigi have a problem with that.

I will post more later.

God bless."

Adam.

I believe the only thing you got right in that post was your first sentence when you said

"I'm not totally clear on this,"

I didn't create the narrative. here's the narrative.

Since God's holy Sabbath day is on a Saturday and we are to honor God's Sabbath day which is the fourth commandment is it wrong for us to be going to church on Sunday shouldn't we be going to church on Saturday.

I used James 2:10. to say you can't just focus on the sabbath day and leave the other 9 commandments out.

And perfectly means ALL of them, all the time!! Are you saying that's wrong? if so you are saying it's ok not to obey the 10 commandments.

And I said the law was given to Israel. Is that wrong? Romans 9:4.

And I gave Colossians 2:14-16.

And you may have read "We rest in the finished work of Christ on the cross"

It doesn't mean we don't have to keep the 10 Commandments!

It means we are no longer condemned by the 10 Commandments. This is the complete work of God.

The 10 commandments is called the ministration of Death.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

When someone says we obey God by and through the Spirit isn't that obeying God?

The Spirit commands the heart not the flesh. You have to ALREADY be born again to obey it.

The law commanded the flesh and the flesh is weak! read Romans 7.

This is what James is talking about in James 2:14. Your faith is to be confirmed by good works!

It has nothing to do with the sabbath day.

Again my reason for using

James 2:10. is to say why if you're going to be under the law you have to be perfect.

Furthermore I have no idea how teaching this teaches people to sin when the scripture says

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:27-28.

I don't see why you and Gigi have a problem with that.

I will post more later.

God bless.

Hi Brother Dan

You stated.

"As a Christ follower why would you NOT want to ( try )keep holy and follow these commandments?"

I haven't seen anything written on the site that stated we shouldn't (try).

By the Spirit of God ww know the commandment is Holy.

By the same Spirit we know we fall short.

By the same Spirit we know "by the commandments" we need a savior.

Christ didn't come to keep being crucified every time we break one because we can't keep them perfectly.

We have agreed with scripture throughout the bible that we're justified apart from the deeds of the Law.

Romans 3:26-28.

Salvation is an inward act performed by the Holyspirit that is confirmed by an outwardly act.

We do our best to keep the commandments and that also is an inwardly act by the Holyspirit. The flesh is weak.

You can keep them all the days of your life and have a sinful Heart and you still come up short.

You can't Love your neighbor as required without a NEW heart. And the sabbath day rest is found in Christ.

God bless.

What we know, and can prove with scripture, is that there are zero examples of anybody being baptized into the trinity formula of father, son and holy ghost. And there are multiple examples of people being baptized into the Name of Jesus Christ.

On top of THAT, we have this:

"Be it known unto you all, and to all people of Israel, that by the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand before you whole. ... Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Acts 4:10, 12

Pretty strong words there by St. Luke on the subject. I refuse to believe that Luke, or any of the other disciples of Christ, completely ignored a command from Jesus' mouth about how to baptize. And they all baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Do you wish to be right in the eyes of men, ... or do you want to be right in the eyes of God?

"... let God be true, but every man a liar; ..."

Romans 3:4

'father, son and holy ghost' isn't even a proper NAME. It's a general TITLE, and multiple titles at that. Matthew 28:19 does not follow logic, reason NOR scripture as a whole. We are to judge all teachers, as well as scripture itself, BY scripture. The Bible defines, confirms and justifies ITSELF.

In a court of law, the trinity doctrine for baptism would not be found legitimate at all.

Romans 3:1,

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Romans 3:23, 3:10, 5:12, 6:23, 5:8,

10:9-10, 10:13, 10:17

These were the scriptures I memorized as a rookie street preacher. :)

I came across this link on the Web site about "race mixing": Link. The Bible does not forbid different ethnic groups to marry. God forbade and forbids the saved to marry the unsaved. Deuteronomy Chapter 7:3-4: "4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly."

Other verses included on the page don't even pertain to ethnic groups. They pertain to sexual immorality, heterosexual marriage, an illegitimate person, The Creation, saved people's unity in God, and a saved person's identity in Jesus Christ. You also include Acts 17:26 ("one blood"), which also has nothing to do with so-called separation of so-called races.

Your list twists scriptures to promote the lies told by Whites who that helped to justify chattel slavery, lynching of Black Americans, legalized segregation and prejudice, racism, and ethnic discrimination of Black people and persons of other ethnic groups. Also see From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery, PBS, and Laws that banned mixed marriages (May 2010), Ferris State University; You Tube video, One Race - Ken Ham Video Teaching January 19, 2022 - Ken Ham also explains the connection between evolution and racism and the curse of Canaan (not Ham); and Answers in Genesis book, One Race One Blood. You can also read the chapters online free.

It is a great disappointment to see that once again, people are using the Bible to justify the sins of pride and hatred. Which ethnic group or groups are superior to all other ethnic groups? According to Romans 3:23 and Romans 6:23 no ethnic group is superior. This list is against God's holy word and comes from the flesh and Satan. We need to read the Word of God in context and not use God's Word to justify the sins of pride, variance, and hatred ( Galatians 5:19-20 and Proverbs 16:5). 1 John 2:16; 1 Corinthians 7:39.

The Bible says, "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, [Jesus Christ], that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" ( John 3:16).

Jesus said, I came that they may have life and have it abundantly ( John 10:10)

We have all done, thought or said bad things, which the Bible calls "sin." The Bible says, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" ( Romans 3:23).

The result of sin is death, spiritual separation from God ( Romans 6:23).

What's the good news?

Jesus died in our place so we could have a relationship with God and be with Him forever.

God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" ( Romans 5:8)

But it didn't end with His death on the cross. He rose again and still lives!

Christ died for our sins. He was buried. He was raised on the 3rd day, according to the Scriptures" ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

Jesus is the only way to God. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" ( John 14:6)

We can't earn salvation; we are saved by God's grace when we have faith in His Son, Jesus Christ. All you have to do is admit you are a sinner, that Christ died for your sins, and ask His forgiveness. Then turn from your sins-that's called repentance. Jesus Christ knows you and loves you. What matters to Him is the attitude of your heart, your honesty. We suggest praying the following prayer to accept Christ as your Savior:

Dear God,

I know I'm a sinner, and I ask for your forgiveness. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe that He died for my sin and that you raised Him to life. I want to trust Him as my Savior and follow Him as Lord, from this day forward. Guide my life and help me to do your will. I pray this in the name of Jesus. Amen.

Did you pray this prayer? Your name is written in the Book of Life. Revelation 3:5

Pray to receive the Holy Spirit as your Teacher.

Write down this date.

Kinsman redeemer. Part 2.

We see in several verses Jews and Gentiles alike is redeemed by the blood of Christ, We are reconciled in one body. "Baptism"

Ephesians 2:11-22.

RECONCILIATION.

Romans 5:8-11.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT INPUTTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

Romans 3:21-22.

2 Corinthians 5:21.

The way God provides this righteousness is not by man's working for it, not by man's paying for it, not by man's getting it on the installment plan with the idea that he will pay later, but that God gives it to him. Man can receive it only by faith.

God bless.

I've posted this previously,

In the Gospels, Jesus quotes the old testament many times and how in his coming the old testament is fulfilled,

in Colossians 2:14-15 Jesus is talking about blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, not the laws. Hebrews 9:11-14 explains why the ordinances are no longer necessary, because of the blood of Christ,

Rather he exemplifies the laws as in Matthew 5:18-45, 18-"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Galatians 5:14-23 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." 22&23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith," "Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

Alan F. Portelli,

I appreciate your exactness. I have understood it to mean what you've stated. With emphasis on "few''. With a cross reference to Matthew 22:14. Matthew 20:16, Numbers 26:54, Luke 13:23-24, Matthew 7:14,22,23,

Romans 5:19 with "many" referred to in like manner: because scripture says 'all' Romans 3:23,

Romans 2:12,

Perhaps the word "many" is used to help us understand the magnitude of people and striking contrast to the emphasis on the word "few" as opposed to a translation of "all" would it seem impossible or less significant per the reader?

Hopefully this is helpful.

Hello, I personally believe the Bible message is simple that even a child can understand and know enough to follow Jesus. Beware of anyone trying to make it complex and try to reinterpret the original language or do anything to change what Jesus said. Generally there seems to be high motivation to find ways to disobey Jesus, rather than the same level of motivation to obey Jesus. We're in a spiritual war is all I can say. I know exactly what the Bible says when I read Acts 2:38 and those who disobey will be judged fairly by God. There's zero risk or downside to being baptized and only huge upside, but isn't it interesting how hard someone is willing to work to justify 'not' doing something.

May I address your assumption about sinning after being baptized. All are sinners Romans 3:23. After choosing to follow Christ we still are sinners, but as long as we follow Christ our sins will be forgiven by grace. Paul admitted his wrestling with the flesh if you wish to read about that. If we sin we should ask for forgiveness and be genuine- God knows our hearts. If someone intentionally sins to use grace as a hall pass to commit unlimited sin and wickedless, then I would not say that person isn't following Christ. John 14:15. Of course you'll find some people who claim they can do whatever they want, because their sins don't count and I believe that is a lie from the enemy. God hates sin and us obeying Him matters, regardless of what a man says to convince me otherwise.

Also, when you're baptized you're following Jesus's teaching, not a ritual to get into a particular church. So, if you want to be baptized you can ask church leaders in your area and I'm sure you'll find someone happy to baptize you even though you don't attend their church. I also have a hard time with church, because human beings are flawed beings whereever you go. I don't like seeing worldly culture infiltrating into a church, for example, in effort to please man, instead of trying to please God.

Stick with the bible and don't get caught up worrying about who, what, when , and why. especially the color of skin. The bible says to avoid discussions about genealogy. ( Titus 3:9). It also says to let God be true and every man a liar; ( Romans 3:4.) Keep your focus on the scriptures and what it teaches and nothing else. If you don't, you'll be drawn into discussions that are meaningless and have nothing to do with salvation or what's important to God.

Sister GiGi:

1 Timothy 1:10 For therefore we both labour and SUFFER REPROACH, because we believe in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect.

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also not believe, that through YOUR mercy they may have mercy.

God bless you.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 "caught up"

Part I

PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure

A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our COMFORT And Consolation. Amen. 1 Thessalonians 4:18

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A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

Time Of JACOB's (Israel's) Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom "ages" past/future Genesis-John Hebrews-Revelation

God's "Earthly Kingdom" Purpose From "the foundation of the world" Matthew 25:34

God's Purpose Prophesied "since the world began" Luke 1:68-70 Acts 3:21

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST, Ending God's Age Of GRACE, Is Found In

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God, Which Is Current for us, Today, Under GRACE = "But NOW!" Romans through Philemon, Especially Romans 3:21 Ephesians 2:13

"Whereof I am made a minister, According To The (GRACE) Dispensation Of God Which Is Given To me for you, to Fulfil The Word of God; Even The Mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, BUT NOW Is Made Manifest to his saints" Colossians 1:25-26

God's "Heavenly Hidden" Purpose Before "the foundation of the world" Ephesians 1:4 2 Timothy 1:9

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret "since the world began" Romans 16:25 Ephesians 1:4-8 Ephesians 1:8-11 Ephesians 3:5-9

to be continued in Part II God's Great GRACE Departure

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for the insult "You are obviously not aware of the Scriptures." Do you mean scriptures like Matthew 5:11 and 1 Peter 4:14?

Let's address your claim: "The Bible is to the Israelites only."

Is that true? Since there is a lack of evidence for this how can we be certain if your statement is true or not?

Maybe you believe that because Jesus focused his ministry on Israel as said in Matt 15:24. But that doesn't automatically mean his teachings weren't for others, does it?

1 John 2:2 - this says Jesus died for the sins of the 'whole world', not just Israelites. Doesn't that contradict what you said?

John 10:16 - Jesus was ministering to one fold (flock) and said He had others. Could this mean He was talking about people in other countries besides Israel?

Romans 3:29 - this clearly says God is the God of not just Jews but Gentiles too. Doesn't that contradict what you said?

Isaiah 42:6 - same thing. This means He will be a light to other nations. This means the ministry DID include other people besides Israelites.

Acts 2:21 - Everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved. If what you said was true it would say [Only Israelites] who call upon... But it clearly says "everyone."

Have you read the above scriptures and what do they mean to you?

Do you believe all moral law is Israel-only like murder, adultery, theft, idols? So, do you think God is ok with non-Israel people committing those sins?

The conclusion of all things.

Revelation 22:1-7.

Let's skip ahead to 2 neglected verses.

Revelation 22:10-11. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Here's where the unjust will remain unjust, and the just will remain just. Meaning judgement is past tense by the time we get here.

Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Sounds familiar? ( 1 Corinthians 3:14-15.)

Revelation 22:14-15. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Verse 14 we have the redeemed! They're the just that will stay just mentioned in verse 11. How did they do his commandments? By Atonement!

Romans 3:24-28.

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Also: 1 John 2:1-2.

And Hebrews 10:14-17.

Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

God bless.

Hello GiGi, What I meant was that there is only one gospel that can save mankind today, and that is the gospel of grace ( Acts 20:24 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 That Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. Appropriated by faith alone apart from the Mosaic law ( Romans 3:20,21) The gospel of grace and doctrines for the body of Christ, the Church, was a secret ( Romans 16:25, Ephesians 3: 1-11) hidden in the mind of God until revealed to the apostle Paul. In other words, between the time God called Abraham and the calling of the apostle Paul, there was no message of salvation to the Gentile world ( Ephesians 2:11,12). The gospel of grace is most clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 " Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Paul's Gospel: The apostle Paul Holy Spirit inspired of course, repeatedly referred to the gospel of grace as "my gospel"( Romans 2:16, 16:25 Galatians 2:2,7: 2 Timothy 2:8) Paul could say this because the gospel of grace was in fact revealed to Paul alone and he was chosen by the ascended and risen Lord Himself to be the apostle of the Gentiles( Acts 9:15, Romans 11:13) These new revelations came approximately10 years after Pentecost ( Galatians 1:1,11-12;17) All mankind during the age of grace will be judged according to Paul's gospel. " In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel" Romans 2:16 Paul warned mankind twice in Galatians, anyone that preached any other gospel then what was revealed to him by the ascended Lord Himself will be cursed " Please read Galatians 1: 8-9 KJV

Part II God's ETERNAL Assurance

ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts 15:8 Romans 8:27

"That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST! In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth, The Gospel Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!" Ephesians 1:12-14

"Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!" 2 Corinthians 1:22

"And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!" Ephesians 4:30

"And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!" 1 Corinthians 6:11

"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!" 2 Thessalonians 2:13

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!" Titus 3:5

God's OPERATION?:

God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians 1:12

God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians 1:13

God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians 1:14

God Justified us "...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!" Romans 3:24

God "Reckons Debt To those proud who work" For Salvation! Romans 4:4

In GRACE, To him/her "that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!" Romans 4:5

God, Through Paul, States: "...David also describeth the blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth righteousness Without works!" Romans 4:6

to be continued in Part III

Hi, Chris and Rick. I am only going to place English for each text I previously sent in the Greek. Romans 3:22, "Da pisteoos Ieesou Christou," "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," OR, "the faith that comes through Him."

In Acts 3:16, The faith which is from (Or BY HIM)." "to onoma autou kai hee pistis hee di autou. If this verse were to read "Faith IN Jesus" rather than "Faith BY Him," the only way to translate this is, "OUR faith in Jesus Christ," healed the man!



Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, "Ho de nun zoo en sarki en pistei zoo tee tou Huiou tou Theou." Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writers of Scriptur. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. The English robs God of His mercy and goodness in this last act with the lost. What word do you find in the Greek? Have you traced it? Let me know what you find. You will be amazed at the wealth of meaning the translators took from us!

I have experienced a profound faith from Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son!

He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness. Death waited for anyone who came into the Holy Place except for the High Priest. It is the devils lie telling us we can become as gods!

Leviticus 16 has also given me further insight into what was required by the nation of Israel as they worshipped God on the Day of Atonement. On who did they place their faith?

Amen and Amen Brother Rick!

Hi Tony Brother read your commentary and scripturally right on faith is the bridge that spans the casim between the natural man and God that faith is Jesus Christ. When someone says I need more faith not true we were given the faith of Jesus Christ when we were born again. Now over time we will get better in believing action on the scripture and understanding and walk but that is in the category of carrying what the spirit wants us to do. That's why technically there was no spiritual faith in old testament because it says in Galatians before faith came, spiritual faith came on the day of pentecost which is the faith of Jesus Christ. The word pistis could be translated faith or believing there are times when it was translated faith before pentecost when it should have been believing.

Hello Chris, You are correct about Romans 3:4, I gave a wrong text! Thank you for your comments. Some may read our thinking as a difference in semantics. Time for the Greek. Romans 3:22 reads in the KJV, "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe." By faith of Jesus Christ in the Greek reads, , "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," or the faith that comes through Him. In Acts 3:16, "The faith which is From Him" is, " " If instead the phrase reads "faith IN Jesus Christ'" it could only mean OUR faith in Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, , . Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writes of Scripture. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. Tell me the actual word.

I have experienced a profound faith in Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son! He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness.

Chris, my understanding has given me a freedom of absolute surrender to Christ I never experienced. It certainly does not distract my belief in the gospel. I no longer look at my faith to speak to the Father. I now speak to Him through the faith of Jesus. I never have to say again, "I wish I had stronger faith." I do have it! It is my faith in His faith for me!

Hello Tony. I think of Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God". We see here that the "Gift of God" is the whole: Grace & Faith. Both are needed from Him to receive His Salvation: the Gift of Grace & the Gift of Faith.

However, I couldn't place which verse(s) you were referring to. Both Romans 3:4 & Galatians 2:20, do not reveal what you suggest. Unless you were thinking of Galatians 3:26; Colossians 1:4; Colossians 2:5; & there may be more. I doubt if the apostle intended to infer that this was a faith generated by one towards attaining Christ, rather that the Gift being given & now existing in the believer, from which comes his varied expressions of that faith.

The text about faith in Christ is not true to the Greek which is plain to read in the original language. reads, "By the faith of Christ. Nestle, 1904, Westcott and Hort 1881, Scrivener's 1894, Tischendorf, 8th Edition 1872, and many others are clear in translating this verse the same. It is inaccurate and misleading to use a translation that promotes the faith of a believer in place of the faith of Christ. This error is also found in the translation of Galatians 2:20 "And the life I now live by faith in Jesu Christ." This last phrase, by faith in Christ can only mean one thing, it means, I am living my life in Christ by my faith. By THE faith OF Jesu Christ, I now live the life of total surrender by the faith of Christ. Therefore, I do not march and grow toward victory, I now live in Christ in victory. I approach our Father through the faith of Christ. He is our Advocate and Mediator before the Father. Of Him alone did God say, "With Him, I am well pleased." We please the Father when we come to Him in the faith of Christ. Example, A father puts money in a bank for his son. The money is under the son's name. He does not have the money himself but he has access to it from anywhere in the world. In a similar way, the faith we need to save us is not within us. It is found at the right hand of God and we draw on it "in Jesus name." Acts 3:16: "And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

This faith Of Christ takes us to complete dependence on Him through His faith. He offers the secret of Christian victory over the flesh, the world and the devil, His own faith, for us.

When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgement, and by the spirit of burning.

And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall ne a defence.

Isaiah 4:4-5

Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:38

Whom God hath set forth to ne a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forebearance of God;

Romans 3:25

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:24

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he may be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 3:26

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Hebrews 10:8

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Having therefore brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Hebrews 10:16-20

To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by remission of their sins,

Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

Luke 1:77-78

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off...

2 Peter 1:9

10-27 End

Hello Joyjay. No human being, however wicked they may be, can be considered a demon. Demons are spirit beings sent out by Satan, the prince of devils. Those demons can certainly afflict or indwell a person who gives themselves over to them through various means, but every person remains fully human & fully in need to be saved through Jesus Christ.

You haven't shared about your forefathers or how you may be considering them as demons, so I can't give anymore specifics. Your forefathers will always be related to you no matter how they have lived their lives. You are responsible for your own life & if you have family members, also to care for them, nurture them & lead them to live carefully & responsibly. I don't know your culture, but I would think that a person in any culture will never deny his heritage & his responsibilities to his fellow-man.

As far as loving your forefathers, that depends on a person's inclination; some pay no heed to any one other than those about them - others, will go to great lengths to prepare (endless) genealogies & retrieve historical records/photos, so as to keep their memories alive. So be free to give love, respect or consideration to your forefathers, if you deem them worthy, but if their lives have been filled with evil, then we can learn to stay far away from their errors, & turn to the One Who promises us forgiveness of our sins, a new abundant life on Earth, & a sure hope of an eternity with Him. And of course, His Name is Jesus Christ, Who came as the Saviour for all men, no matter their religion, country of birth, or their deeds. Jesus gave His Life for you & me, so that we wouldn't have to suffer eternity without God & in everlasting punishment. John 3:16-19; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:23; Romans 10:9, all giving us assurance that when we come to God through His Son, He will forgive & He will accept. Your forefathers may have not heard this Good News - today no one has any excuse. May you receive God's comfort.

This scripture is really encouraging.

Galatians 5:14 (KJV)

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This creates a environment free of Jealousy, hate, and debates etc. all the things that can cause health issues. Also, people will feel this. Show love; people will since this.

Good reminder for all ( John 3:16,17)

Romans Chapters 3, 4, and 5! Precious friends, God's Simple Will:

A) Believe The GRACE Gospel ( 1 Cor 15:3-4; Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3; Rom 4; Rom 5; I Cor 15:3,4)

B) LOVE neighbor, fulfil ALL The Law ( Gal 5:14; Rom 13:8-10)

C) Study, "Approved Unto God" ( 2 Tim 2:15; Rom 16:25; Eph 1:3-9 Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today!) Also: Link

If one quotes a scripture, wouldn't it be from the word of God and

not from men or woman.

But if the bible is not quoted from the bible;

would wisdom still be of much value?

Jesus quoted his fathers words perfectly ( John 8). and the prophets

spoke from God ( Psalm 83:18)

Who is much wiser? Who is wiser to instruct mankind?

God ( Psalm 83:18) and his Son?

2 Timothy 3:16,17;

2 Peter 1:20,21 (holy spirit John 4:24)

John 17:3

John 14:6-28

Psalm 1:1-3

or

Men and many books?

Jeremiah 10:23

Romans 3:23

Ecclesiastes 12:12-14

Psalms. 146:3, 4

Hope you like

these scriptures.