Bible Discussion Replies PAGE 1761

Who wrote "if you are driven, you cannot be led?"

OSEAS,

Please explain why the two witnesses are not sealed, neither in Revelation 7 What will they do for 42 months?

Please explain why the 144K are sealed? What will they do for 42 months?

You said only the two witnesses die in the street, and not the 144K?

Then why are the 144K standing in front of the throne, resurrected?

( Revelation 14:1-4)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

AND AGAIN IN REVELATION 7 we see the 144K getting sealed, and immediately afterwards the same 144K are seen in WHITE ROBES in heaven, after being redeemed from the great tribulation in vs 13-14.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The two witness and 144K are one in the same. The two witnesses are SYMBOLIC of themselves.

God's book fooled you. Allow the Bible to define itself, not some copy n' paste internet article. I strongly believe that you owe me an apology for explaining away this issue as if my assertion was ill-conceived.

Hello, I think its good that people are wary of big government taking away their rights and oppressing people, because they naturally will do that and seek power and control.

However, to get any kind of health care or do any banking or pay taxes or do anything in this world they need to identify you beyond just your name and that's usually a number. Are all numbers bad and automatically the mark of the beast? No, I don't believe that. Your internet connection right now has an IP number, your computer has an ID, your car, your appliances, your church has a number- everything has an ID and code. And I think it would be irresponsible to you and your family and loved ones to try to deny yourself or them getting healthcare, for example, just because you assume the mark is a number, which it may not even be.

I think the mark will be different. I think its meaning is 666 and I think it will be more obvious when we are separated by our beliefs in the end times. Force branding everyone with an internal tracking chip and labeling us based on whether we follow Christ or not would seem like a mark. I hope I'm not alive when that happens.

Mary, you are not by yourself because the same thing happens to me but it is mostly doubt about God and I think it is the Devil getting into your head so I ask God to please get him out of my head because I do not want to think that way! I wish I could help you because I know how it feels. One thing I do is think about this earth and all the different life forms and the sun which had burned since the day it was created and never ever needed any fuel! How many things that burn do not ever need fuel? This world we live in did not just happen and evolve from nothing it was created and God created it!! I wish you all the luck with your problem!!

George Anderson,

My dad says the mark is universal, and in the US we are marked with SS#'s and drivers licenses, etc. I'm gonna try to avoid these documents and get fakes made. I'll take no mans mark.

I would like to know what it means to born in Gods Sprit? One person said if you are born in Gods Sprit then you will be with him and go to Heaven I think it said? I have never heard that before in all my life. I always was told you will go to Heaven if you are a believer and obey Gods Laws? Thanks please clear me up on this.

focus that you have believed and that you accepted and be thankful.

Colossians 3:16

"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."

act on faith and it's God that does it for us.

You're a believer and that is why you have the struggle. This happens to believers. Keep your mind on good things. Know your soul and spirit are not the same, Hebrews 4:12

just don't speak the thoughts. speak good.

Mary, you're under attack. This will help stop that. Mishael

Matthew 12; Ephesians 6

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man/woman, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house (your body) from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it EMPTY, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Ephesians 6

If we do not fill our spiritual house, with the Bible; we will have spiritual warfare. Which as you see in Ephesians 6, "they" are invisible. They don't want to wander around without bodies. The unsaved, the wicked or the unlearned of the wisdom of the Bible, can be attacked.

"They are identified by their Fruit: hindering, harassing, sicknesses, depression, violence, sexual impurities, cursing, occult fascinations, hatred of Jesus, or antichrist spirits.

We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. You must rely on the victory of Jesus over the devil. We must understand the power of Jesus's Blood atonement for sin.

We need to be learning what our Authority in Jesus Name is. Authority of the believer over demonic beings; how to bind them and cast them out. How to pray for the sick and those oppressed by Satan and his agents of suffering. How to keep our families covered in prayer.

Take a good look at the madness of the world we're living in. Do you see the fruits now?

1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

M. Turn off the tv and stay in the New Testament and observe HOW Jesus fought off Satan's attacks; Paul & disciples too. Tell others how to be free.

Being carnal, is an open invitation spiritual harassment; pollution.

Mishael, very helpful, thank you. Praise God! I'll get on it.

Brother David, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The scriptures and meaning behind those scriptures I quoted to you are in DIRECT OPPOSITION to there being a LITERAL HELL.

So EACH has to be reconciled to each other through scripture.

Scripture says those in the first resurrection (resurrected with Christ) will not see death but will be instantly in the presence of Christ, in Spirit, with a glorified body.

Scripture says those in the second resurrection will be raise back in their sinful flesh and cast alive into the lake of fire.

If the lake of fire is LITERAL FIRE those thrown into it alive will LITERAL DIE within seconds. Therefore there would be no nations to rule and judge in the ages to come. This doesn't reconcile our two different scriptures.

If the lake of fire represents the judgement IN CHRIST who is a consuming FIRE, then the two scriptures reconcile with each other.

Isaiah 10:16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of Host, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory (priest) he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.

Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purge the blood of (new) Jerusalem from the midst (CHRIST IN YOU) thereof by the SPIRIT OF JUDGEMENT and the SPIRIT OF BURNING.

Isaiah 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not delivery themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to set before it.

This is also spiritual fire from the fact you can't warm yourself from it. The ones in the first resurrection also have to go through this fire.

Mark 4:49 And everyone shall be salted with FIRE.

Matthew 3:11 ....he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost and FIRE.

Great comment! Very useful.

Here goes :D

I checked Amazon today and a lot of Bibles are on sale yay! This is what I prefer:

*Thomas Nelson Publisher*

King James Bible

Real or imitation Leather

CENTER COLUMN cross reference

Study notes

Book Introductions

Charts, Lists

Messianic Prophecies

Parallel Passages

Dictionary/ Concordance

Color Maps

Study Aids

Red Letter

Explanation how to use study helps

I also have a New Strongs Concordance: it's easier to read, has more info.

(Separate) An expanded dictionary would be Very useful; bigger lists. But they make the Bible too big and clumsy. Try to get one separate.

Google is useful to find bigger charts and lists. I don't like Wikipedia remarks, because they are of Google (LOL) I think biblically Google can become used nefariously in the future.

**I use the Commentaries online ie Matthew Henry. Type in this way: commentary, Noah, your scripture (then) teaching or history or meaning. Read separately.

"Back to school" is when I buy packages of spiral notebooks for all my note scribbles.

Write on their covers: 'genesis' or end times or people or marriage or revelation or Geneologies, etc. It helps to organize your thoughts plus anything the Holy Spirit adds to it. Date the HS comments.

There is Rhema from him for true seekers. Use discernment using "old manna".

I make regular visits to Goodwill-type stores to see if anyone has discarded any valuable reference Bibles or a Strongs or books of Commentaries.

Mary,

I would like to comfort you by telling you that if you are born of God's Spirit, you will one day go to be with Him. That is a guarantee. Every person who has been born of God's Spirit (Received Christ) has been sealed by His Spirit until the day He comes to redeem His purchased possession ( 1 Peter 1:5).

Your salvation is not based on your thoughts but on the keeping power of God. If you belong to Christ, you are being kept by His power alone. None of us can keep ourselves saved.

The apostle Paul fought for the believer's mind. If you read 2 Corinthians 10:4-6, you notice this is the "pulling down" of everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. Any kind of spiritual experience that a person has or personal revelation that a person has which exalts itself against the knowledge of God, when you say that can't be true, or that can't be God, because look at what God's word says?

But most importantly, that last line, "taking captive every thought into the obedience of Christ."

Do you realize that after receiving Christ, the great battle that goes on is for your mind? Satan cannot take your soul but he wants to keep your mind from growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

That is where all of our struggles take place as believers, in the mind. Satan wrestles with us and he tries to keep us distracted and keep us away from God's word because that is how we grow.

We learn and we grow in Christ through His word. That is why Paul said this six times in his letters, "I would not have you to be ignorant brothers."

Remember what God said in the Old Testament? His people perished because of what? A lack of knowledge! God says, I inspired the Book. I inspired my truth for you to know it. I even put it in book form so you human beings can read it.

Reach out to the Lord in prayer and ask Him to transform and renew your mind. ( Romans 12:2)

Hi Jack.

It's tough. What gets me over it, I think about the things the Lord forgave me for and the things I'm still struggling with, I don't deserve this Grace he had bestowed on me.

HERE'S A FEW VERSES TO CONSIDER.

Romans 5:7-8. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

( But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.)

Christ died for you and I while we were yet STILL SINNING!!! He didn't wait for me to stop and apologize.

Philippians 2:1-8. If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

LET THIS MIND BE IN YOU, WHICH WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS:

Your forgiveness should be on the basis of Mercy.

GOD BLESS

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

God divides eternity into different AGES. God CAUSES certain things to happen in those AGES.

In the Previous AGE; the AGE of THE LAW and Prophets. God caused THE ONES HE APPOINTED to leave a written record of the AGE TO FOLLOW.

It was written that in the AGE TO COME God would APPOINT (call out) a FEW to be PRIEST in his KINGDOM.

This is what we see now. Most want be called now; BUT there are more AGES to come. Christ and his priest will judge the world and the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God has a PLAN:

ALL WILL OBEY AND WORSHIP GOD.

Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall rule in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgement.

Psalms 94:15 But judgement shall TURN INTO RIGHTEOUSNESS ....

Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is PURGED ...

Psalms 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

Psalms 22:29 And they that be fat upon the earth shall eat and worship (first resurrection): and they that go down to the dust (second resurrection) SHALL BOW BEFORE HIM: and none can keep alive his own soul.

Psalms 22:30 A seed (priest) shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation (age).

Psalms 22:31 They (priest) shall come (at the second resurrection), and shall declare his righteousness to a people (at the second resurrection) that SHALL BE BORN (AGAIN) that he hath done this.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

This is what the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is about.

If you read all of Isaiah 7 you will see that it is about Ahaz the King of Judah. His Kingdom was under threat from two kings, Rezin the King of Syria and Pekah the King of Israel. Ahaz asked the Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser for help. The prophet Isaiah told Ahaz that God would deliver Israel and that he should ask for a sign so that he could be confident that this would happen. God gave King Ahaz a sign for himself and for the whole nation of Judah:

'And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. ( Isa. 7:13-16)

The child described in Isaiah 7:13-16 would be a sign to King Ahaz and to the nation of Judah. Before this child was old enough to know the difference between good and evil, both Rezin the King of Syria and Pekah the King of Israel would be gone. This child would the be proof that God was going to protect the people of Judah from an attack by the two kings, Rezin the King of Syria and Pekah the King of Israel. Whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew was misusing the quote from Isaiah 7 when applying it to Jesus when it clearly refers to a child that was born during the time of King Ahaz and the prophet Isaiah.

Pamela.

I'm not sure If I'm understanding you but the child Emanuel wasn't born during the time of Isaiah If that's what you are saying, This is a reference to our Lord born of Mary.

Luke 1:34-35. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Here's the account in Isaiah.

And I want to place the emphasis on it being a sign with significance!!

Isaiah 7:10-14. Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,

"ASK THEE A SIGN" OF THE LORD THY GOD; ASK IT EITHER IN THE DEPTH, OR IN THE HEIGHT ABOVE.

But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.

And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

( THEREFORE THE LORD HIMSELF SHALL GIVE YOU A SIGN );

""Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.""

Now if the Lord goes through great lengths to give a telling SIGN a YOUNG WOMAN HAVING A CHILD WOULDN'T MOVE NOONE.

The seed of the woman also suggests the Virgin birth.

God bless.

Hi Mary,

It's good that you are seeking council on this. I'm not sure what disgusting thoughts you have, but I can say that such thoughts are likely based on false assumptions. Are you ready for those thoughts to be exposed and scrutinized in the bright light? I'm sure you can delicately share them here one by one and receive feedback from other believers if you'd like.

I don't want to make any guesses as to the thoughts, but for those who follow the media and believe what they see/hear on TV, I can say there are several very key false assumptions about Christianity I've heard repeated, designed to discredit Christians and God, which are 100% false. Most things you see on TV lately I believe are lies. Satan loves using them for his purposes.

God is a loving and forgiving God who made us and gave us an opportunity to spent eternity with Him in an amazing place. God's love makes it amazing. The Bible's overall theme is love: to love God and love others.

Hi Pamela,

Virgin means virgin. The Bible is already translated and accurate. If you don't believe Mary was a virgin like the Bible says, what is your reason?

There were zero other virgin births other than Jesus. Jesus = Immanuel. Jesus and God the father have many names throughout the Bible and this is one of them. It doesn't mean it would become Jesus's literal first name. The name means God with us since Jesus = God.

Isaiah 7:14 = prophesy

Matthew 1:23 = fulfillment

Luke 1:34-38 = Yes, Mary was in fact a virgin

Luke 2:7 = Jesus's birth

Forgivness what if ur not asked forgivness when someone wrongs u?

My apologies.

Will I be able to go to Heaven even if I am thinking disgusting thoughts about The Lord God Almighty?...I am a Christian woman...These thoughts could come in to my mind from just watching or reading about GOD...It is destroying me I am so very scared of what will happen to me when I die?....I always rebuke the thoughts but they still form in my mind...I am so unhappy because of the thoughts that come in to my mind

Greetings in Christ JESUS,

Richard Estrada

Yes, I understand, I have heard several theories on two witness, one different from

the other among them, which do not match the revelation of the Word of God, for me

your theory is more one, the newer. Presumptions and conjectures, and imaginations,

speculations, opinions, based in the letter of Scriptures, they mean nothing but severe

punishments-Rev.22:v.18-20. Let's be careful. He that has an ear, let him hear what

the Spirit sais unto the churches.

The seven candlesticks are the seven Churches of the first century, mentioned in Revelation

chapters 2and3; By analogy, the two candlesticks - Revelation 11:v.4 - are the two churches

of this time of Apocalipse, times of the end. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit

sais unto the Churches.

For me what prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? For there are three

that bear record in Heaven(Heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit

(who is not a ghost as is writtten in English language,but a person-the Comforter-John16:7-15):

and these three are One.

The source of all things is GOD, the Father, the Word is GOD, and He Himself planted the two

olive trees here for the purpose of supplying mainly in this current time the two candlesticks,

i.e. the last two churches, actually his people as a whole, with the anointing oil, as said John

the Apostle-2:20-21: -20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the Truth, but because ye know it, and

that no lie is of the Truth.



The express Word of God implicit in two Covenants-the Old and New Testaments- both are

the Tree of Life that GOD planted here by Word, and to him that overcomes He will give to

eat of the tree of life, there is a manna and it is hidden. He that overcomes, and keeps my

works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.

Amen.

Brother david, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

you are saved!

i am using god's words showing brothers and sisters that all of salvation is of god. man plays no part in salvation. we have been deceived.

at each mans appointed time (by god). god will bring about the circumstances to cause that man to respond to god.

man does't believe god does this. they believe it is their choice.

paul was on his way to kill more of god's church. he believed he was doing god's work.

in one blinding moment god caused saul to become paul.

ephesians 2:10 for we are his workmanship .....

ephesians 1:11 .....being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will.

philippians 1:29 for unto us it is given in the behalf of christ, not only to believe on him, but to also suffer for him.

philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having our own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of christ, the righteousness of god by faith (of christ).

romans 2:4 ......not knowing that the goodness of god leadeth thee to repentance.

all is of god. god appoints at time, gives man his faith to causes man to believe and causes man to repent.

i give my glory to no one.

i will bring down the high and lofty one.

you died on the cross with christ. he is the life you now have and live by.

thank god for the works of christ.

Richard Estrada,

What did you expect? The match you are searching for is rarely found. It reminds me of when I was a youngster, and trying to make sense of so many strange Biblical theories. I can tell you that spiritual liberty is found within you; you are all you need, and that's everything. You are best reading, studying, and keeping to yourself. Never in your life tell a soul what you know is the truth.

Thank you Lord for showing us the proper attitude we should have in our relationship with others.

The proper work ethics is very much needed in our day and age. From the leadership level down to the workers level. Thank you for reminding us how we are to treat and take care of the elderly folk amongst us.

May we learn to "glean" from your word how we are to praise you in our lives as we await your coming.

June 2021

Well said Homer & Gary

Obviously the word 'Virgin' doesn't mean what people think, but probably just means 'young woman'. If it was the case that it literally meant 'virgin' then the child Immanuel, referred to in Isaiah 7: 14, who was born at the time of the prophet Isaiah to encourage Ahaz would also have been born of a virgin. So Jesus would not be unique in having a virgin birth. Jesus's mother Mary would also not be unique in giving birth to a child while still a virgin.

Hi Norman, I am new to this site, and I am actually helped very much by several of those writing in. I am asking the Holy Spirit to guide me in all things, and He is leading me and awakening me by certain teachers. I am turned off by all self-importance and over complexity, too. But my mind is expanding every day (Father, in thy light shall I see Light) as I open to learn more about the Bible, and to find Jesus Christ throughout .... But we are led out of different pasts brands plucked from the fire I am being led out of a family background of secular humanism, intellectualism (Pride), philsosophy, New Age practices and some occult. What a mess! Still, My Father Knows what He's doing ....... I can't stop praising Him for the gift of salvation..... God Bless......