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Some of them (Hebrew people) were considering going back into the old religious system of the Old Testament.
3) There were also Hebrew unbelievers. These were those who were at these meetings, those who were in the crowd that just did not believe.
So if I understand these three groups, I can better understand some of the scriptures that are being presented. There are sections of scriptures to each one of these three groups in the book of Hebrews.
Now, all that to say this:
Hebrews 6:4-6 does not worry me at all. My relationship with Jesus Christ can never be broken. My fellowship with Him can be broken but never my relationship. A true believer, a person who is born of God's Spirit, cannot commit apostasy.
What I see in those three verses is the writer talking to those in group 1 and explaining to them the outcome of those in group 2 if they should walk away.
Now those in the 3rd group were non-believers who were following along but were never going to believe. They were probably there to watch and accuse those in group 2 who decided to identify with those in group 1 which would in turn cause them to be persecuted.
So what I see in Hebrews 6:4-6 is a group of people (Hebrew people) who were faced with a decision. Do I leave Judaism and receive Christ as my Savior. Or, do I walk away and go back into Judaism because of what it would cost me to surrender my life to Christ. For a Jewish person, this was a very difficult decision.
What the writer is saying is that after they have come to a full understanding of salvation through Christ, if they do not take the next step in turning from Judaism and surrendering their life to Him, but instead walk away because of what it would cost them, it is impossible for them to find salvation any other way.
If we were to put ourselves in the same position that these Jews were faced with, which of these three groups would we identify ourselves with?
Lex,
I'll have to respond in a couple of posts. I believe this is important as some use this section of scripture to show that our salvation can be lost.
When I approach any book of the bible, I first have to understand who the book was written to and why it was written. Hebrews was written to the Hebrews, Jewish people. The letter was written to Hebrew Christians. But at the same time, as I go through the book, I see three different classes of people. So I have to understand it from a Jewish standpoint.
The Purpose of the Letter was to warn against apostasy during persecution. It's when believers suffer that believers consider to stop following Christ, or consider compromising in their walk with the Lord when things get tough. Now when I say believer, I also think this can be broken down into two classes, those who are saved, and those who are unsaved.
Now in order for me to understand the various passages and the various sections of Hebrews, I have to understand these three groups to whom it was written.
1) To Hebrew believers. (Saved believers)
2) To Hebrews who have an intellectual understanding of Christ but have not been saved, and they are considering going back to the religious system of Judaism because of the persecution for identifying with Hebrew believers. So these are Hebrews who understand what's being taught, and they intellectually agree with it, but they have never received Christ.
Chapter 10 tells us that after they identified with the Hebrew believers and they went home, their possessions were stolen. Their fellow Jews were kicking them out of the temples. And it would cause some of them to lose their jobs. Their friends would disown them.
So you can imagine a Jewish person, right at that place where they understand and they agree with it, but they haven't received Christ. But they have this persecution going on and they say "If I go all the way with this thing, this is what's going to happen. Everybody is going to disown me.
want to know what is dispensation of bible
but the LORD's. Be at peace..... I have gone through this too. One thing I have
done during the worst attacks is to say over and over, "JESUS SAVES ME NOW."
It is a powerful declaration. Devils flee in all directions, and God is glorified.
Many Blessings....
Richard Estrada
You are wrong. What prevails is the Word of God.
Chapter 7 reveals the number of FAITHFUL Israelites who will be saved, in fact they are the prophetic remnant of the 12 tribes of Israel, they will be saved from imminent dangers. As it is written, all Jews who do not have the seal of GOD on their foreheads will be grievously tormented, and their torment will be like the torment of the scorpion when it hurts man.
Furthermore, GOD will punish severily the unfaithful Jews, God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: believe in him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved, so they all might be damned who believed not the truth - BELIEVED NOT IN JESUS -, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Yeah, except the sealed and faithful 144K, everyone else will believe in the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, a false messiah, Who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called GOD, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of GOD, shewing himself that he is God.
The prophetic message of JESUS will fulfil LITERALLY. As JESUS said: John 5:v.43-47:
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH, A DECEIVER MESSIAH), him ye will receive.
Matthew 23:v. 31-35
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city,that
This sounds like someone who is a true believer "4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
I have worried about this scripture alot and how can someone be a partaker of the Holy Ghost and the powers of the world to come without being a true believer? I mean enlightened and tasting the Word of God could be people who are exposed to the truth but if they are partakers of the Holy Ghost doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit is in them?
So if you realize that your thoughts are wrong and you genuinely want to reconcile with God, you can repent right? But sometimes some of the scriptures have me worried that it could be too late? Like the point of no return.. God is not the author of confusion and He does not give a spirit of fear so how do you get to a place where you are clear on what the Scripture says?
The Word above was revealed to the prophet of the Lord, Isaiah, fulfilled LITERALLY later and it around past seven centuries.
I'm putting this message up in order to make it stand out and enlighthmphasize to all readers here that the Word is God, yes, the Word is God.
Is it written in the Bible? Then it will LITERALLY be fulfilled as in the message of the prophet Isaiah above as follows, because the Word is GOD:
Luke 1:v.26 to 38
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with GOD nothing shall be impossible.
I don't find where Ahaz asks for help or a sign as you mentioned.
But what is important, GOD TOLD HIM TO ASK AND HE REFUSED TO:
Isaiah 7:12-13. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.
Notice "NOW" the Lord is talking to the WHOLE HOUSE OF DAVID, ( Present and future ).
And he said, ""HEAR YE NOW, O HOUSE OF DAVID;""
Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
TheDavidic lineor House of David (known in Hebrew as " Malkhut Bayt David - ("Kingdom of the House of David") refers to the lineage of King David through the texts in the Hebrew Bible, in the New Testament, ( AND THROUGH THE SUCCEEDING CENTURIES.) This Prophecy was/is given to the Davided Kingdom throughout all ages.
Let's look at the Matthew account.
The account considers a Virgin without having to mention the word virgin!
Matthew 1:18-23. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph,
( BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER, SHE WAS FOUND WITH CHILD OF THE HOLY GHOST.)
Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for ( THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST.)
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
( Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. )
Jesus can't be who he is without the virgin birth!!