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What does the bible mean buy the second death does it mean that your soul will be destroyed for ever like you never excised or does in mean you still burn for ever because death means you die so if God says they were thrown in to the lake and this is the second death. And death means to die wouldn't also mean the second death is your soul dies like you was never created I just don't understand what that verse means about the second death

Verses 7-9-Will satan be able to do to perfect mankind what he did to Adam and Eve. Satan will be allowed to make a final effort to turn people away from God.

Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:1-15 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (Read More...)

Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Isaiah 2:2-4 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Read More...)

Isaiah 65:25 - The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Zechariah 8:3 - Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Daniel 2:44 - And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never b

Mike, "death is unreal" - Death is very real, in fact, there is a second death. Revelation 20:14 The first death is separation from the body/Earth, and the second is eternal separation from God and to the eternal torment. "The wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23 Very real, and nobody else in the scriptures had more to say about hell and damnation than Jesus.

Anne, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding;

Hebrews 11 is a testament about the old testament saints; but pay close attention to verses 39 and 40.

Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (old testament saints), having obtained a good report through (the work of the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Ghost which is) faith, received not the promise (eternal life, incorruption, immortality):

(vs) 40 God (Spirit) having provided some better thing for us (children of the resurrection), that they (old testament saints) without us (children or the resurrection) should not be made perfect (complete in the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Ghost who only hath immortality 1 timothy 6:16).

John 11:25 ..... I am the resurrection......

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us ( old testament saints, children or the resurrection and Christ) up together......

Revelation 20:5 .... this is the first resurrection....

Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many of the bodies of the (old testaments) saints which slept (died waiting for the promise) arose,

(vs) 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem)......

Revelation 7:1-4 (vs) 3 ......till we (Spirit) have sealed our servants (old testament) saints in their foreheads (given them the mind of Christ)......

Revelation 14:4 .......these (old testament saints) were redeemed from among men, being the FIRST FRUITS unto God.....

Revelation 1:3 .... for the time is at hand...

May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom.

excuse me there are no apostles today if you claim you are an apostle

did you actually see the lord jesus christ face to face when he rose again

from the dead? answer is obvious so therefore you are not an apostle,

nor false prophets which are many today, the bible says to try the spirits

whether they are from GOD for many false prophets have gone out into

the world.1st john4-1

Hades in Greek, or Sheol in Hebrew, is generally defined in these three ways:

a. the Grave. A place of bodily rest & decay. Acts 2:29-31.

b. a place of punishment for the wicked. Luke 16:20-23; Matthew 11:23.

c. a temporary place for the righteous dead. Luke 16:23-26. The Luke account seems to indicate that hades had two areas separating the righteous from the wicked in death. But after Jesus' death & resurrection, the righteous are no longer held there, being justified by faith, for which the Cross provided the means now which they didn't have before Christ's death.

Hades will always oppose Christ's Church ( Matthew 16:18); it must be distinguished from being just synonymous with death ( Revelation 6:8); it will one day be destroyed ( Revelation 20:13,14); Jesus has the 'keys' to it ( Revelation 1:18); & it is remains now only a temporary place of the unbelieving dead, as the Apostle Paul believed that Hades would not be his destiny, but Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:8).

John 3:16

For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Last time I checked, that scripture still stands prominently in the Bible. Jesus was crucified for everyone. He suffered the wrath of God for everyone. Willingly. And He was raised up on the 3rd day. Victorious!

What you mentioned about pre-Genesis is called, "Old Earth Theory". It is a Cult of people that teach something that is not recorded in the Bible. "In Beginning" is when God created TIME. That is when the story began.

The whole ENTIRE BIBLE is about a PERSON. His name is Jesus.

John 1:1-5

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God

3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

If God had included a Book and Chapters about pre-Genesis; it would be in the Bible. But they didn't do that. The Book of John clearly explains that. God gave us archaeology, astronomy, and science to find HIM; to SEE HIM.

Romans 1

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from FAITH TO FAITH: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE.

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him NOT as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Interesting. Which calendar are you using?

Everything is fine and dandy, I love yours opinions and and your knowledge of the scriptures but there is lot that you all need to know before you be effective to Jesu, did you know that there are millions of years between the first verse of the bible and the second?,what was the name of the woman before the fall?Did you know that the creator became God of the Israelites in MT. Sinai but not of the rest of the world, thats why he became only god of the israelites.there are only two nations in the world the Israelites and the Gentiles and MORE.

Thats why people are confused about the coming of jesus in the year 2000 is not the end of the world is the end of the ERA, the believers ERA, Jesus will come in 1993 and pick up the believers, those that have receive Jesus will stick to him as a magnet and 7 years later they will come with him so he can have power and authority to touch down on earth and this the time when satan will be loch in the cave for 1000 years those 1000 years is what I call the seventh day the they of Rest

I feel that those in ch 20 verse 4 are those who have died in the seven years of tribulation as Gods people but have been marterred but the rest of the dead rightous and sinners will remain in there graves waiting for that last ressurection. Wouldn't that be why some in that last judgement will be saved and some will be cast into hell or the lake of fire. Maby those that miss heaven in the last judgement are those did not truly truly live for God but justified themselves. Just the way I see it.

Thank you Robynn for your comments/questions & if I may respond.

1. Indeed, God's Love for all mankind is so immense & unfathomable that He continued to engage with us even when everything about us warranted our complete extermination. But that Love persisted as we read in Romans 5:8; 2 Peter 3:9.

2, 3, 4. 1 Peter 3:18-20. The focus in this passage is on 'the Spirit'. The same Spirit that brought Jesus back alive from the dead was also by the same means (i.e. the Spirit) that Jesus went to the spirits held in prison.

Now, this is the only passage we have on this visit by Jesus, though there are references to spirits in chains ( Jude 6; Revelation 20:1-3). And I realize that many Christians attempt to place the event in 1 Peter 3, to Jesus' visit at the time of His death. It could well be but we cannot be certain of this as we are simply given very limited detail. And in the context of Peter's writing, this visit was not his focus. All we know is that Jesus did visit at some point & specifically to those who were disobedient in the days of Noah; when that took place is not revealed.

And "how much does God love people?" As mentioned, His Love knows no bounds. But His pure Love equates to His pure Justice. And if we think that God's Love must also allow for sinners, whether they've come under the sound of the Gospel or not, to have a second chance to hear, repent & receive, then what is the point of preaching the Gospel now, why did the apostles & myriads of other faithful saints suffer brutally & horrible deaths, if there was a second opportunity for lost souls? "Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." - no second chances, no purgatory.

It's a common misconception to say 'absent with the body is present with the Lord'. This idea originated from 2 Corinthians 5:8, but if you read the verse you will see it doesn't say if anyone is absent from their body that they are automatically with the Lord 100% of the time. Paul said he would "rather" be present with the Lord, or he would prefer that. Many Christians today would prefer that also. But just because you prefer something doesn't mean it will 100% guaranteed happen for 100% of all people 100% of the time, or even that it would sometimes happen. No, Paul only said he would "rather" for that to occur. Since the Bible says what it says and not what people commonly misquote, I do not interpret this as evidence to the theory that people automatically go to heaven after death. If there were other verses saying this, that would be fine, but I am not aware of any. Only taking a few verses and making an assumption about it, such as Jesus saying today he would be in paradise. Notice he did not say heaven, but paradise. They may not be the same thing.

If we are going to discuss this fairly we must consider what the rest of the Bible says on this topic.

Matthew 12:36 - People will be judged at some point on the same day. Is it likely that they are judged AFTER they go to heaven or BEFORE?

2 Corinthians 5:10 - People are judged first THEN they receive what is due.

Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. Lots of people seen in the same place.

Because the Bible says this, it can't mean that people are judged immediately when they die- because not everyone is dead yet, and it can't mean that people go immediately to heaven if they aren't judged yet.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air.

Would it make sense for someone to go heaven, then back to earth to rise up, then back again to heaven?

It says people will 'sleep' in-between: Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:14

Revelation 20: 13-15

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Do people that were in hell still have a chance of being in the book of life?

Alex, you are graced with understanding that not everyone yet has been given eyes to see and ears to hear.

Ezekiel 5:1-4 And thou, son of man (Jesus), take thee a barber's razor, and CAUSE (all is of God) it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee three balances to weigh, and divide the hair,

(2) Thou shall burn with fire (for our God is a consuming fire) a THIRD part in the midst or the city (spiritual Jerusalem), when the days of the siege are fulfilled (they were fulfilled at pentecost): and thou shall take a third part, and smite them with a knife: and a third part thou shall scatter to the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.

(3) Thou shall also take thereof a FEW (find the way) in number, and bind them ( the FEW) in thy skirts.

(4) then take of them (the FEW) again, and cast them into the mist of the (lake of) fire, and burn them (the FEW) in the fire (our God is a consuming fire); for thereof (the FEW) shall a fire come into the house of Israel.

Obadiah 21 And saviours (judges) shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

Zachariah 13:9 And I (the Holy Ghost) will bring the THIRD part through the (lake of ) fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they will say, The Lord is my God.

Revelation 9:18 By these three was the THIRD part of men killed, by the fire, and by smoke, and by brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. this the FIRST RESURRECTION.

GBU

Revelation Chapter 20 is about how the devil can influence people, to such an extent that they worship false images and satanism instead of praising and to worship God and the Holy Spirit. God is for every person regardless of age, sex, sexual orientation, race and background and try not to make the devil influence a person's judgement and the way how they live.

Keith Vaughan

I've never seen requirements for Christian funerals.

Jesus was put in a borrowed tomb

Revelation 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it;

and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If God knows where all the bodies are, underneath the waters,

He will be able to collect our ashes. He's God. He made everyone who ever lived.

With God all things are possible.

Be at peace in your heart.

Hello. If you truly care about him. Along with him saying he would listen to you about God. What I would say or start with is: "Why does he worship satan and where did he learn about him from"? As this could have come to him in many ways like music, family, trend, etc. Then just try to tell him the truth that satan does not care about him or anyone but himself. The devil knows he is already damned and just wants to destroy as many lives as he can. Here are a couple Bible verses I looked up showing that satan is the enemy and is already damned.

Matthew 4:1-10 , Jesus being tempted by him in the desert.

John 16:11 , the devil(prince of this world) has already been judged

Revelation 12:7-9 , satan being cast down to earth

Revelation 20:1-15 , satan cast into the lake of fire

Jude 1:6-9 , fallen angels and Michael Archangel contending with devil

John 8:44 , devil is the father of lies

Galatians 5:19-21 , lusts of the flesh(what the devil wants people to do)

Along with the others who responded to you. All else I can really say is be careful. Pray to our Father and Jesus Christ to lead you. Maybe try to read through the Bible with him. Show him that Jesus Christ is the only way. He may turn from satan or you may have to leave him. You will be in my prayers. God Bless.

What happens To Our Bodies -

Revelation 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If God knows where every body is, in the sea,

I'm sure He knows where people's cremated remains are. ( which contain some bone)

Be at peace In your mind. Mishael

Revelation 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If God knows where every body is, in the sea,

I'm sure He knows where people's cremated remains are. ( which contain some bone)

Be at peace In your mind. Mishael

The Bible teaches that the WICKED DEAD are awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement. Everyone has to see their deeds and be judged. Hell is for those that Reject Gods plan of Salvation totally.

Nobody is burning in Hell right now. Those who have ever lived and died are asleep in the grave waiting for the return of Christ and the resurrection. Notice that the Apostle Paul does not describe dead Christians as being active or alive in heaven.

They are asleep-dead-until they are resurrected at Christ's second coming. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.

Paul used sleep as a metaphor for death. Yet, from an early age, most of us have been taught that sinners who died were right now being tormented in eternal hellfire. Who's right? Paul or your Sunday School teacher? The Bible says Paul got it right!

But what about Revelation 20:10? Many use this scripture to "prove" that at least two human beings-the "Beast" (Antichrist) and the "False Prophet"-will be tormented eternally in Hell. So let's take a closer look:

"The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the Beast, and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" ( Revelation 20:10).

Look closely at that verse. Do you notice that one word-are-is in italics? That means it isn't part of the Greek text, but was added by translators trying to "make clear" what's in the verse. The problem is, the translators made it clearly wrong!

Satan the Devil will go to the same destination as the Beast and the False Prophet but he will go there as a spirit-being, and will be there long after the Beast and False Prophet-like other unrepentant sinners ( Revelation 19:20; 20:15) have been burned up and destroyed ( Matthew 25:41).

Some people alive have seen visions of hell.

How true that scripture in Timothy! I love all of you who comment. May God bless you, my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I only wish I could go back to my childhood and stay faithful. I so regret my backsliding days.

2 Timothy Chapter 3

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 ALL scripture [is] given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Wesley's Notes 2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is inspired of God - The Spirit of God not only once inspired those who wrote it, but continually inspires, supernaturally assists, those that read it with earnest prayer. Hence it is so profitable for doctrine, for instruction of the ignorant, for the reproof or conviction of them that are in error or sin, for the correction or amendment of whatever is amiss, and for instructing or training up the children of God in all righteousness.

Mishael

Romeo, ...part2

I think it would be more accurate if we would distinguish between the descendants of the house of Judah ('Jews'), descendants of the house of Israel ('Israelites'), and gentiles (those who are not descended from Jacob (Israel)).

Both houses of Israel (house of Israel and house of Judah) generally came to reject God and were eventually swept away by agents of God's anger.

The house of Israel (sometimes called Ephraim or Samaria) was taken into captivity by the Assyrians.

Jews self identify as descendants of the house of Judah. They were largely taken into captivity by the Assyrians just a few years after the house of Israel was taken by them. The remainder of them (Jerusalem) were taken captive into Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar a century or more later. These Jews (of Jerusalem) who were taken into Babylonian captivity were given permission to return sometime after 70 years of captivity. At Jesus' first advent He received a mixed reception from these Babylonian Jews. According to tradition Jesus' disciples took the His message to different parts of the world where they were martyred for His Word.

The rest of Israel (house of Judah and house of Israel) did not return to the land from Assyria and are sometimes referred to as the lost tribes of Israel. God said that He would sift them through the nations and will regather them. It is my belief that they would come to be receptive to the teachings of Jesus and accept Him as their Saviour. For the most part they no longer know who they are and would even refer to themselves as gentiles just as the New Testament does. There is a fair amount of general support for this view in the Bible.

Romeo,

Verse 4 seems like a good indication of their identity ( Revelation 20:4). "... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Since those who suffered persecution/death for the witness of Jesus were by and large what you call "gentiles", I would venture to guess that most of them are "gentiles" with some believing "Jews" among them.

I think it would be more accurate if we would distinguish between the descendants of the house of Judah ('Jews'), descendants of the house of Israel ('Israelites'), and gentiles (those who are not descended from Jacob (Israel)).

1- Are these the same people from Revelation 7:15-17

2- And, are these people only Jews? Or both Jews and gentiles?

REVELATION 20:4 ... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded (by truth, sword of God)... There is sin in deception (flesh) and no sin in truth (Spirit). Galatians 2:20 I (the flesh) am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live (but am dead); yet not I (because I am dead), but Christ (Spirit of God) liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh (which is dead) I live by the faith (not my faith because I am dead) of the Son of God (Spirit). Colossians 3:3-4 For ye are dead (can the dead sin), and your life is (become the life of the Spirit) hid with Christ in God. (vs) 4 When Christ (in Spirit, in truth), who is our life (Spirit) shall appear (be revealed), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (God). Ephesians 1:22-23 And (the Father) hath put ALL things under his feet, and gave him to be head (because we have been beheaded) over ALL things to the church (your body), (vs) 23 Which is his body (because you are dead), the fullness of him (the Spirit of God) that filleth ALL IN ALL. Colossians 1:18 And he is the head (because you have been beheaded by the sword of God, truth) of the body, the church, the firstborn from the dead (but you were resurrected with him into life)..... Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you (because the carnal head is dead, beheaded by the sword of God, truth) which was also in Christ Jesus (now the new head).......

Luke 17:35-36. To my understanding it denots the household works in afternoon. In olden times grinding works carried out in the afternoon by women. As also two men in the field denots the day time, works in the field. Luke 17:34 says : in that night there shall be two men in one bed. This is picture of the world when our Lord appears in the heaven. Our Lord come for the whole world. Then as usual half of the world is under night and other half - in day time. Luke 21:27 and then shall they see the son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luke 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. The sealing is already over and sealed will be transformed instantaneously and fly towards our Lord. When our Lord comes, saved and unsaved are intimately living together and only saved are transformed.It is a warning to all belivers for checking their names in the book of life and uptodate it now. It is our personal choice only. "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15.Believe in Jesus and keep his commandmends.Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 1John4:15.

I am confused about 2 things witch may only gather more. Is the devil a cherub or an angel? I'm having a really hard time finding verses that explain it. 2nd question is who are the "the beast" ( not plural but singular) and the false prophet spoken of in Revelation 20:10? I understand what a false prophet is, but I always thought there were many false prophets? And if satan and his followers (and his Angel's- by the way did satan create his angels?) And the beast then there must be only one beast. But I always thought that to be plural as well. Can someone give me some verses to help me understand this all?