Angels aren't robots or mere animals acting merely on pre-programmed instinct. They have freewill to choose. I believe this because the Bible says so. It clearly says satan was a cherub (angel) in heaven and he disobeyed and was cast out.
Sources:
Ezekiel 28:12-18
Isaiah 14:12-14
Matthew 25:41 says satan also has angels. So, if you believe no angels can sin, and since satan has angels, do you not believe satan is evil or commits sin?
Does your belief that angels don't sin come from the Bible? If so, where in the Bible do you think it says angels don't think for themselves, don't have freewill, and that satan wasn't an angel? Now that you know these verses above exist in the Bible, does that influence your perspective?
The name Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible ( Isaiah 14:12). And if the time is take to examine and study this entire chapter one would discover that the context that this reference is made in regard to the King of Babylon.
Satan is the Devil's name. Jesus stated this. Lux Ferro is the word in Isaiah 14:12 that the translations of the KJV used out of the Latin Vulgate to get Lucifer. They were wrong and the world has spread this mistranslation of Moring Star into Lucifer aka the Devil for over 400 years. I knew the truth in 1978 when I began researching Morning Star and did not find the Devil but rather the planet Venus. I have a Doctorate in Theology and no good translation has Lucifer in the translation or the word Hell since the Bible was assembled in the 400's and the word Hell did not exist until 705 AD in Germany and Old England and its meaning is a hidden place.
Yes, we get an indication of the physical Satan in Ezekiel 28:12-19. Though Ezekiel is directing his prophecy to the King of Tyrus, we understand that through the description of his wickedness, the picture of Satan (& specifically Satan's former position in Heaven as a 'cherub' & 'having being in the Garden of Eden') clearly show us a dual meaning to this prophecy. Yes, Satan had beauty & perfection (verses 12,13,17) & as a cherub, that position is normally associated in being in close proximity to God's Presence (as in the Tabernacle on Earth & over the Ark of the Covenant), & in relation to God's Holiness.
Why did Satan go bad? Verse 17 tells us that his heart "was lifted up because of his beauty". Not that he always admired himself 'in the mirror', but his heart was lifted up against the Most High, believing that he was as good or better than God. See Isaiah 14:12-15, & particularly, that he was perfect, Ezekiel 28:15 (sinless, as all the other heavenly beings), until his pride took over & he believed he was better than God. But the big question: how was it possible for Satan to sin, & can other heavenly beings likewise sin? It seems that even by being in the Holy Presence of God & finding complete delight in worshipping Him, there can still be that element of choice. For in his pride & estrangement from God, he also gathered to himself other 'defecting' angels (see 2 Peter 2:4; Revelation 12:7-9; Jude 1:6).
We see Jesus in His humanity, though pure & sinless, He was tempted of Satan (Matthew chapter 4). Jesus resisted Satan using God's Word against him. However, Satan was in the presence of God & His Word in Heaven, yet allowed the thought of grandeur to enter in & develop into sin ( James 1:15) & finally a full blown wickedness that saw him banished from God's Presence & ever since, working against God to bring & keep humanity in his solid grip. But the Cross of Jesus brings us release from that grip - if we can only trust Jesus for it.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The earth was prepared for the moment when The Bible says, in beginning. God created Time first. God lives outside of time, and He is the Alpha and the Omega. So He can move inside of Time too.
I've always thought that because only earth was made habitable (among all the rest of the solar system),
The Godhead had been preparing earth for the moment God spoke The Word, and the Holy Spirit who is Action, performed the Word.
The challenging thing is that He gave everyone freewill. We could live in Gods perfect will. I think our free will is influenced by the Holy Spirit, (our human free will). and "The I WILL": Lucifer who lost his name and became Satan. Isaiah 14:12
At the end of this period of time, we will be moving to heaven which exists outside of time. We aren't going to age and die.
It's really hard sometimes to read the doubtful comments. I pay close attention when I'm reading the Bible (which is a large part of my time), what is the Godhead showing me about themselves, today? I find them all United in purpose, they conference together; I mark those things that cause hurt and righteous anger. I love many stories in the Bible; love to re-tell them to complete strangers: like Elijahs eyes opened to see legions of war dressed angels in chariots, or beloved Gideon hiding out because he didn't see himself as a leader of armies. God weeded them down to just the guys that keep a lookout even as they lapped water like dogs do. God said: "those are your guys, Gid." Talking donkeys, etc.
Guys & Gals, try reading the Bible to learn the stories. Like: Cain was killed in a fist fight. The guy that killed him outlived the curse.
Who wants to be on earth when it burns up?
Saddle up! Tell someone about Jesus. Tell his story and just invite them to pray with you.
After the flood, the rebellious angels who went after Adams daughters; drowned.
Only 8 souls survived: Noah's family.
The evil ones had no bodies. Bodies Drowned. (There's a chapter where they rail on Satan for getting them killed.) With no bodies they became Demons.
In the New Testament, Jesus cast many out of afflicted peoples, body and soul. If you think..So What?... they can still get inside people who are not Born Again.
They wander until they find some kind of living thing to get inside. That statement is validated in Ephesians 6:11-12, Eph. 2:2, Isaiah 24:21-22 (some are imprisoned); some are in high places; Michael had to fight one so Gabriel could get a message to Daniel. Isaiah 14:16, satan isn't big & handsome. Ezekiel 28:23-19.
Satan has a will and he uses it to hurt people.
Often people blame God for the bad things that happen. If people today have idols in their lives (porn on the computer, gamble online, horoscopes, etc.) There are specialized demons that inhabit those things. We open the door they use to come inside our lives.
One even followed Paul around, hindering his meetings till he turned and cast it out of that woman! THEY ARE INVISIBLE!!! We never have drinks and smoke pot alone.
Maybe we should turn our focus away from nephalim in Genesis and lay our eyes on how to identify demonic activity in our lives, family, friends, mean neighbors, violent video games etc. ask yourself: what Fruit am I seeing?? Is someone depressed or suicidal? That's a spirit of death. Drugs, alcohol, pot=spirit of bondage. Learn these things. You could be praying to set clueless people FREE to follow Jesus.
Please think about this. Remember people who died way too early. Some of you commit to pray every day for Military who will be returning home soon, to find jobs miraculously, find new friends, be blessed for serving. Hold their lives Precious within your heart and spirit. Let's love Larger than just ourselves.
Rightly Divide the Word of Truth - In Reply on Isaiah 64 - 5 years ago
I hope you know that most of us know the Book of Genesis, also. Much of what you posted is unscriptural.
If you read it at a snails speed, you might see your errors.
Your allegations about Eve having sex with anyone other than her husband (whom to God performed the first marriage), Is also unscriptural. Try reading all of the Geneologies. Cain is recorded as Adams firstborn.
Isaiah 14:12-16 (description of satan)
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. (Suit of worms)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 THEY THAT SEE THEE shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (devil) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
No offense intended, but I find your fixation on nakedness, wantoness, adultery and covering sex organs, shocking.
The entire Bible is about Jesus: Genesis to the last verse in Revelation. In fact, Revelation 22:18-19, tells us NOT TO ADD TO or, TO TAKE AWAY FROM, anything written in the Bible. To persist will get your part taken out of the Book of Life.
I'll end with this scripture:
Acts 19:15
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?
Spiritual WarfareAuthority of the Believers in Jesus - In Reply on Psalms 80 - 5 years ago
When Satan was hurled to earth, he took 1/3 of the angels in heaven with him. It could be billions? They died in the flood and became evil spirits.
Throughout the gospels we see they can get into people or harass them. There are lots of books and material on YouTube, covering the subject of spiritual warfare. Ephesians 6
What is not taught as much is the AUTHORITY of the Christian believer over these invisible spirits. We can see the fruit of the demonic in these street riots going on in our cities. The crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified was demonic. Satan thought he had killed the Son of God at last; but on the 3rd day Jesus came out of that tomb!
I don't think we should be demon conscious, but be Jesus conscious and use the Authority He gave to us to pray for ourselves and others.
Be disciples of Jesus and be filled with the Holy Spirit. We can ask the Holy Spirit for the Gift of Discerning of Spirits: there's human spirits, angelic spirits, demonic spirits.
Demons don't have bodies. They'll get inside of animals or people. They can't get in a born again, Holy Spirit baptized, Christian follower of Jesus, full of Bible scripture and knowledge of their AUTHORITY in Jesus Christ.
I do mean we need to be able to quote scripture like the Son of God, say IT IS WRITTEN and send those demons into outer darkness!
Jesus has provided everything we need to know in the Bible. We're supposed to know why we have armor and use it. His BLOOD is HOLY and no demon is going to challenge the POWER that is in that Holy, Sinless, Blood of the Lamb of God!
Again, be God conscious. Study. Get informed. ASK the Holy Spirit to teach you this truth. Desire the best gifts He has. Learn what they do. This is how we pray for family, our kids, our friends, strangers, our nation. Read the red letters in the gospels. Jesus defeated Satan! Grow your faith.
Isaiah 14:16. Some day we will see satan and be astonished we were so afraid.
I am currently on Day 286 in my Bible Reading in a Year journey and would like to thank "BSP" and "A Disciple" for their comments throughout my journey. They have consistently been informative and inspirational throughout my readings in the Old Testament and I look forward to their comments during my journey into the Life of Christ and beyond in the New Testament. Blessings to you both and to ALL of YOU!
Thank You ALL :-).Unthankful Lucifer} And we the abiding, good and faithful, inherit all he coveted for in Ephesians 2:6, Psalm 91:1 & 14,15,16. KJV
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Jude 20 so very important to treasure folks, and neglect not. Difference between Spirit and GHOST / and communion of, and fellowship with/ believe 131 times and believeth continuous, 39 times,
Prov 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Berean Acts 17:11 kjv. So satan has largely ensnared the the church into less true intimacy and flow of revelation is weakened, and now told to bow ones head in prayer then suggests we are approaching notfessed up and sanctified, so gifted boldness of gifted faith is gone misleading millions of the immature into confusion and hands + head down, powerlessness. Romans 1:4. Feigning Christianity, Popal biased Westcott and Hort have strewn their tare seeds of division, no greater hoax (other than declaring later versions are better than the KJVs scary consistency & excellence in placement of spirit & Ghost, ye or you, believe or believeth etc,etc ( Phillippians 1:9,10,11) of the tried and true KJV), has scarce been pulled off since Rome calling itself 1st Christian Church, and how sick ! is that. But our gracious *FATHER GOD* lets the seeker know the seasons by calling the 666 Vactool Luciferase. Come let us adore *HIM* *CHRIST JESUS Our Magnanimous (LORD* and ineffable *SAVIOUR* Psalm 66:2 Sing forth the honor of his name: make his praise glorious.
Amen and Amen, *JAH* is *HIS* Name, the perfect Dad.*JESUS* *DADS* Brightness. Ordinances such as Galations 6:6 and Hebrews 3:13 are not shared meat in our fellowship. But now, since that my last demon, frustration was renounced. And settling Ephesians 2:6 aligns with Psalm 91:1 + 14,15,16. The challenge of obedience in all things must be.*G* B U who follow on eagerly Jude 20.
David, it is true that Isaiah 14:4ff refers to the king of Babylon, yet it appears that his wickedness was likened to Lucifer (= the shining one). And that not only his rule, but also his destiny would be as assigned to Lucifer. The King probably entertained such thoughts in his heart also, as 'exalting himself above anyone else on Earth or in Heaven even to be equal to God', which he was considered during his rule. So the reference is to the king, but clear allusion to Lucifer, the spirit that controlled the king, both in his mental aspirations & wickedness as a regent.
As further support, we have Ezekiel chapter 28, where a similar wicked prince is taken over the coals: the Prince of Tyrus. He too made similar claims (v2). Then Ezekiel took up a lamentation over him (vv 12-19) with words that clearly show that the prince could not possibly be the one that is only referred to here (vv 13-16) & that there is another one that perfectly fulfilled this, indeed was instrumental in the prince's behaviour. Words such as 'anointed cherub' & 'perfect in the ways from the day thou was created' can't be applied to the prince, rather strongly reveals Satan who was once pure & holy 'until iniquity was found in thee' who was the prince's influence.
So the question comes back to your thoughts: 'if angels have no will of their own, how can they then sin'? Herein, our understanding ceases as we're not told how this can happen. But because it happened, we should not remove all references to Satan/Lucifer as one who was never in Heaven as a cherub. And, we're not required to be 'sinless to enter Heaven': we are still saved & sanctified sinners who will be renewed in every way, outfitted for life in Eternity. Only Jesus is seen as a sinless Man now glorified in Body & in worship, at His Father's right Hand.
You make some good points on fearing God and that there are those that do end up in Hell. However, Angels in Heaven did not sin, nor were the Angels of God cast out of Heaven. Satan was not in Heaven where God dwells and where those saved from sin spend eternity.
Angels have no will of their own, making it impossible for them to sin. Satan was not an Angel of God that rebelled and was then cast out. Yes there are areas in the Bible that talk about Satan in heavenly places such as in Job, where Satan and God were discussing or debating, whatever we want to call this interaction in consideration of Job. But Satan was never in the Heaven talked about as in Heaven vs Hell, places souls spend eternity.
The probable area that seems to indicate Satan was in Heaven and cast out is represented in Isaiah 14 starting in verse 4 "...take up this proverb against the king of Babylon..." Here the description of Babylon's king Nebuchadnezzar and his fall from power and being turned into a beast as depicted in Daniel 4 begins. Another depiction of what would happen to the king as told by 2 accounts in 2 different ways. In Isaiah 14:12 we read "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14 is still talking about a man, the king of Babylon. In verse 16 it confirms that a man is still being discussed. "...Is this the man that made the earth to tremble..." Would you call Satan a man? Satan and Lucifer are not the same; Lucifer was an alternate name, a nickname maybe, of Nebuchadnezzar.
If Angels in Heaven can sin, and you or I can be thrown out of Heaven, does it sound like such a great reward as we otherwise think it to be? Why are we required to be sinless to enter Heaven, yet after arriving we can sin again once there? Isn't part of the reward of gaining Heaven to not be in or around sin, sinful things, and the temptation to sin? Sin and the sinful cannot enter Heaven.
Mishael, may the Spirit grace us with his words, you quoted Isaiah 14:11-16. Verse 16 says: They that see thee (king of Babylon) shall narrowly look upon thee (king of Babylon), and consider thee (king of Babylon), saying is this the MAN (king of Babylon) that made the earth to tremble, and that did shake kingdoms. The whole chapter is about the king of Babylon. Ezekiel 28 is talking about the king of Tyrus, Ezekiel 28:12. Satan was a liar and murder from the beginning, no perfection there. The third that fall in Revelation 12:4 is the same third in Zachariah 13:9 and the same third in Ezekiel 5:1-4 and the same third in Revelation 8:7-12. These prophesies are about fire saving mankind not torturing mankind.
Lucifer was A CREATED ARCHANGEL. 4th in line to the Throne. He was cast down to the Earth. He became Satan. He was NOT human. He had no ability to produce children, unless you refer to evil spirits? Lucifer was in charge of praise and worship to God. He lost his position and name also when he was cast out.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that THOU WAS CREATED.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Revelation 12:9
And the GREAT DRAGON was cast out, that old SERPENT called the DEVIL and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
SEE ISAIAH 14:12-16, to read more of Lucifer.
If you will Google 'LIST OF DEMON NAMES'
you'll see who works for him. The 1/3 that chose to be cast out with him.
God's word reveals to us that the earth was "without form, and void." That is found in Jeremiah 4:23. Many people that worship God and Jesus understand this to have happened in the first earth age.
We know the phrase "without form, and void," from Genesis 1:2, and it means 'completely covered with water,' which is what the earth was before the 6 days of re-creation by God.
The 'Scriptural proof' you are requesting from Word 76 concerning people on earth a long time age can be found in Jeremiah 4:25, as God states that there was "no man." This is not reference to the flood of Noah's day, as Noah, his family, and animals, survived the flood. Neither was the heaven black or light taken from the earth at the flood of Noah's time. Neither were all the birds gone.
God declares to His children that they are "sottish," meaning foolish, because they do not care for or desire "understanding" of His word. God then reminds them, and reveals to us, how the earth came to be "without form, and void" and the heavens gave "no light."
We are also told that God did not make a "full end" of that destruction, i.e. the 6 days of re-creation in Genesis 1.
Given in ( Jeremiah 4:22 - 29) is information as to HOW God destroyed and made "desolate" the earth, and that He withdrew His light from the heavens. WHY His "fierce anger" was kindled can be found in chapter 14 of Isaiah ( Isaiah 14:1 - 32). Prophecy concerning the restoration of Israel is given. Within this prophecy, Satan is addressed symbolically as "Lucifer" (look at Isaiah 14:12 - 20)
The word of God does not declare that Eve had 'fraternal twins,' the point being made is that it is possible. Science states that it is possible to have twins with different fathers. I believe this could be a possibility.
We learn and teach with love! Nobody knows everything about Scripture, and we try to understand other peoples points of view with compassion and guidance.
This chapter speaks about the defeat of our enemy Satan and the physical enemies of Isreal the Babylonians and the Assyrians. The lord in this chapter tells us another of his name. The Lord God of hosts or the Lord God of Sabaoth.The Lord God of army. when he present himself like this he comes to fight for his people. In preseting this part of his character he tells us how he defeated our and this enemy Satan.God our defender will always fight our battles. He has never lost one battle. See Colossians 2.15
Jews are not the chosen people, the Bible never says that. We are all chosen. However, it is Israel who is the apple of God's eye, not todays vile partner in crime with America (Mystery Babylon). The real Israel, the real tribes are hidden and lost in generations. It is original Israel that is reformed at the 7th trumpet, and not to include 1,300 year old impostors. Isaiah 14:1 The Lord will again choose Israel, after the Ashkenazi Jews courted satan to ruins.
Revelation 9:1 tells us that when the fifth angel sounded, a star fell. In Revelation Chapter 1, we know that the stars represent angels. So a star fell from heaven. Secondly, the word fall is in the Perfect Tense. So he sees a star which has already fallen. He didn't see it as it was falling. He saw a fallen star, a star that had already fallen from out of heaven unto the earth.
And to this angel, this fallen star, was given the key to the bottomless pit. Notice that it was given to him. He did not possess it. He did not have authority over it. We know from Revelation Chapter 1 that Jesus has the keys of Hades and of death. The Lord holds all the keys to all of these places.
Now the bottomless pit is the word abyss, ABUSSO in Greek. And it is interesting because it is believed that around where Babylon used to be, and in fact, it was the place where Saddam Hussein was caught, but they believed that there is a shaft that goes down into the heart of the earth. And this shaft is closed up on the top.
And this would be the place that Peter told us about in 2 Peter Chapter 2:4, that there are angels who are reserved in chains of darkness, ready to be revealed.
And so this star who had fallen was given the key to the bottomless pit. This star is none other than Satan himself, and the creatures that will be released from this pit are going to be two-hundred million demons unleashed upon the earth.
But concerning this star who had been fallen, back in Isaiah 14:12-15, we have recorded for us the rebellion of Satan. It is called the "five I wills," where Satan said I will be like the most high, where he expressed his rebellion towards God.
And it is at that time that he lost his first domain. He lost his first position with God.
Concerning the three heaven and earth AGES; reference will again be pointed toward the entire chapter of 2nd Peter chapter 3. This might give you a clearer understanding of these separate DISPENSATIONS OF TIME (not the formation of three separate heavens and earths). For reference I will again state that "the world that then was" ( 2 Peter 3:6) refers to the first dispensation of time. "The heavens and earth which are now" ( 2 Peter 3:7) refers to the second dispensation of time (the time we are presently living in from Adam until now). And "a new heavens and a new earth" ( 2 Peter 3:13) refer to the time period that all God fearing humans are waiting for; also look at Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:12, Revelations 21:1.
My question concerning Satan brings into light the three dispensations of time; as Scripture would be most difficult to understand without comprehension of them.
The fall of Satan happened in the first earth and heaven age and was the reason for the end of that particular time period. Information regarding this can be found (as you stated) in Isaiah 14:12-20, Isaiah 45:18, 19, Jeremiah 4:22-29, and Ezekiel 28:12-19, as they are descriptive figurative statements revealing him to us. Not a page of God's word could be turned without the use of figurative language; which is employed to emphasize a truth and reveal a deeper understanding of the topic being discussed.
Therefore, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. That was the first earth age.
Found in first half of Genesis 1:2 is the result of the end of the first dispensation of time (due to the rebellion of Satan); hence, the earth was (became) without form and void.
Found in the second half of Genesis 1:2 is the first act of the second dispensation of time; hence, the Spirit of God moving upon the waters.
Mishael on earth destruction and restoration on 1 Timothy 3 - 6 years ago
I stayed up most of last night, being led through BIBLE SCRIPTURES, that back up what the teacher is teaching. It is painstakingly slow, And biblically SOUND.
I would not have even listened to it if it didn't have scriptural foundation. The teacher uses the Hebrew to explain the events that happened. I do not know why I had NEVER heard this expanded teaching before, at church, but I have now. I still have 3 hours to listen to!
Here are some scripture passages you'll want to mark for that study. At one point I just began to write all over the page margins :/
This may interest you to listen to it on YouTube later.
Genesis 1, Job 1:8, restoration of earth in Genesis,
Jeremiah 4;23-28
Jeremiah 4:26 Gods anger
Isaiah 24:1 Is pre-Adam; God turned earth upside down,
Job 9:1-9 earth frozen ball of ice
Revelation ch 6
Job 38. Science has proved the Bible is accurate;
Deu. 32:4 Gods work is perfect
Isa 45:18
Eccl. 3:11
Psalm 18:30
Genesis verses 6-9 restoration not creation
Genesis 1-2 earth not 6 thousand years old; it's billions, what science proved.
I had all the prophetic scriptures boxed; I just didn't know how the fit in. When it says former inhabitants and people's, those are the 1/3 angels that followed Lucifer.
Isaiah 14:17 20 spoken by demons to Lucifer
Satan was in hell when Adam was created. He was turned into a snake. Was in the garden Ezekiel 28:13
Ezekiel 28: 1-19 Lucifer>Satan
Lucifer went from Archangel/ covering Cherub. God>Holy Spirit>Jesus>Lucifer
4th in line to the throne. Isa.14:12
YouTube. WAR IN THE HEAVENLIES, by Benny Hinn. 5 hour teaching
Why do we need to put this together so we can understand it?? Because people ask questions. And..,it's very important to Satan. We need to know HOW he came to be loose on the earth; after Adam and after Jesus'S death on the Cross.
For myself and you, we have a responsibility to piece this together as it really happened.
The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Dr David Stern writes: "Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.
The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.
Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star
In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?
Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully
Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.'
(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)
12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,
MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God's stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.
who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR is Jesus
Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star
Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua
Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR
Chris. Still on Page 3. You say that after the Fall "the Purpose of God in Creation was thwarted". I am certain you don't believe that. You just haven't examined the thought. What does the Bible say about God and His Purpose? It specifically says it cannot be thwarted. The Purpose of God will stand.
Isaiah 14:24, 26-27 - The LORD of Hosts has sworn: "Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand. This the plan devised for the whole earth, and this is the hand stretched out over all the nations. The LORD of Hosts has purposed, and who can thwart Him? His hand is outstretched, so who can turn it back?
Ephesians 1:4-5 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
Isaiah 46:9-11 - Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. I distinguish the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: 'My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.' I summon a bird of prey from the east, a man for My purpose from a far-off land. Truly I have spoken, truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, I will surely do it.
Isaiah 48:3 - I foretold the former things long ago; they came out of My mouth and I proclaimed them.
Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.
Acts 4:28 - They carried out what Your hand and purpose had decided beforehand would happen.
Daniel 4:35 - All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'"
The confidence we have is that God is trustworthy. He is not fickle. If God says we will be eternally perfect, we will be. If God had created Adam and Eve perfect, they would have been. And neither they, nor the devil would have rebelled against God.
IF a Jew believes in Jesus he ceases to be a Jew and becomes a Christian.
Is Yeshua really Lucifer?
The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes: Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.
The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.
In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?
Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully
Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.'
(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)
12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,
MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God's stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.'
So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.
Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua
Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.
Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in
That is right: MANY NATIONS. Abraham had Isaac ... and Ishmael. Israel is one nation and>
Genesis 17: 18-21
Ishmael was born in Gods permissive will.
God blessed him
Will make him fruitful
Will multiply him exceedingly:
Twelve princes shall he beget
I will make him a great nation
That explains a lot I think, but read also Genesis 18: 18-19 There is a note to read: Gen 12:3, 22:28, psalm 72:17, Acts 3:25, Gal. 3:8-9, 16, 18
Isaac gets Israel (all the land of Canaan). I'd have to look at maps later.
There is great resentment in Israel right now. Palestinians want the land back pure & simple. They want everything that was Destroyed to be rebuilt, infrastructure and full access to Jerusalem. They want everything that the war of 1967 gained!!! It's mind boggling. Israel gets to be a state but loses what they fought for independence to regain.
This is the engine that is hurrying the earth to conclusion. It's partly why we are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. God is NOT going to rescind the covenant with Abraham.
One point about the Antichrist is found in Daniel 11:37....neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard ANY god: for he shall magnify himself. [a note refers to Isaiah 14:13 here]
Bottom line is that Antichrist is most likely descended from Ishmael. But he has no regard for his heritage.
He's moving under the radar but if enough people read Jerusalem Post dot com ?? We may see him in a crowd with a smirk.
The prophesies are about the Covenant; the land God has given to Israel through Isaac.
There are many people's that are returning that believe Jesus is the Messiah; they're happy about it; most likely have churches; evangelize...
How can you despise that? Israel is the apple of Gods eye. He rejects orthodox Torah carrying boneheads that will not receive His son. He is turning up the pressure every day. God has a plan! Quit railing and you will see.
The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes:
Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.
The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.
In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?
Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully
Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.'
(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)
12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,
MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God's stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.'
So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.
Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua
Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.
Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in Rev 22 and in Isaiah 14 Yeshua fell from heaven making him Lucifer essentially
" Surely has I have thought, so shall it come to pass " Think about the power of this statement about the Almighty Lord of all that was, is and forevermore! Praise Him, and may the thoughts of the Lord also rule in your life. Salvation is for the sinner today and until Jesus Returns. Hold on to the promises of Our Heavenly Father. Kneel before Him today and dwell on His Word. Blessing of mercy and grace be with you today who read this.
There is several counterfeit CHRIST coming first to this Earth one to get the whole world to take that Mark for Peace & Safety ! That will not just give you grievous sore and make you like the walking dead, but damn your souls to Hell forever with them ! That place not originally prepared for us but the Fallen Angels for doing all this ! When beheading is going to be only other option for not taking that Mark ! Why Jesus already made that way, and even way of escape, from that hour that is coming to try the whole world but is not satans counterfeit/s coming to take the world souls if not their heads ! Revelation 13-22Matthew 24 & Luke 21 & Revelation 6 & 2 Thessalonians 2 & Isaiah 14:9-17
Angels aren't robots or mere animals acting merely on pre-programmed instinct. They have freewill to choose. I believe this because the Bible says so. It clearly says satan was a cherub (angel) in heaven and he disobeyed and was cast out.
Sources:
Ezekiel 28:12-18
Isaiah 14:12-14
Matthew 25:41 says satan also has angels. So, if you believe no angels can sin, and since satan has angels, do you not believe satan is evil or commits sin?
Does your belief that angels don't sin come from the Bible? If so, where in the Bible do you think it says angels don't think for themselves, don't have freewill, and that satan wasn't an angel? Now that you know these verses above exist in the Bible, does that influence your perspective?
Why did Satan go bad? Verse 17 tells us that his heart "was lifted up because of his beauty". Not that he always admired himself 'in the mirror', but his heart was lifted up against the Most High, believing that he was as good or better than God. See Isaiah 14:12-15, & particularly, that he was perfect, Ezekiel 28:15 (sinless, as all the other heavenly beings), until his pride took over & he believed he was better than God. But the big question: how was it possible for Satan to sin, & can other heavenly beings likewise sin? It seems that even by being in the Holy Presence of God & finding complete delight in worshipping Him, there can still be that element of choice. For in his pride & estrangement from God, he also gathered to himself other 'defecting' angels (see 2 Peter 2:4; Revelation 12:7-9; Jude 1:6).
We see Jesus in His humanity, though pure & sinless, He was tempted of Satan (Matthew chapter 4). Jesus resisted Satan using God's Word against him. However, Satan was in the presence of God & His Word in Heaven, yet allowed the thought of grandeur to enter in & develop into sin ( James 1:15) & finally a full blown wickedness that saw him banished from God's Presence & ever since, working against God to bring & keep humanity in his solid grip. But the Cross of Jesus brings us release from that grip - if we can only trust Jesus for it.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The earth was prepared for the moment when The Bible says, in beginning. God created Time first. God lives outside of time, and He is the Alpha and the Omega. So He can move inside of Time too.
I've always thought that because only earth was made habitable (among all the rest of the solar system),
The Godhead had been preparing earth for the moment God spoke The Word, and the Holy Spirit who is Action, performed the Word.
The challenging thing is that He gave everyone freewill. We could live in Gods perfect will. I think our free will is influenced by the Holy Spirit, (our human free will). and "The I WILL": Lucifer who lost his name and became Satan. Isaiah 14:12
At the end of this period of time, we will be moving to heaven which exists outside of time. We aren't going to age and die.
It's really hard sometimes to read the doubtful comments. I pay close attention when I'm reading the Bible (which is a large part of my time), what is the Godhead showing me about themselves, today? I find them all United in purpose, they conference together; I mark those things that cause hurt and righteous anger. I love many stories in the Bible; love to re-tell them to complete strangers: like Elijahs eyes opened to see legions of war dressed angels in chariots, or beloved Gideon hiding out because he didn't see himself as a leader of armies. God weeded them down to just the guys that keep a lookout even as they lapped water like dogs do. God said: "those are your guys, Gid." Talking donkeys, etc.
Guys & Gals, try reading the Bible to learn the stories. Like: Cain was killed in a fist fight. The guy that killed him outlived the curse.
Who wants to be on earth when it burns up?
Saddle up! Tell someone about Jesus. Tell his story and just invite them to pray with you.
Mishael
Only 8 souls survived: Noah's family.
The evil ones had no bodies. Bodies Drowned. (There's a chapter where they rail on Satan for getting them killed.) With no bodies they became Demons.
In the New Testament, Jesus cast many out of afflicted peoples, body and soul. If you think..So What?... they can still get inside people who are not Born Again.
They wander until they find some kind of living thing to get inside. That statement is validated in Ephesians 6:11-12, Eph. 2:2, Isaiah 24:21-22 (some are imprisoned); some are in high places; Michael had to fight one so Gabriel could get a message to Daniel. Isaiah 14:16, satan isn't big & handsome. Ezekiel 28:23-19.
Satan has a will and he uses it to hurt people.
Often people blame God for the bad things that happen. If people today have idols in their lives (porn on the computer, gamble online, horoscopes, etc.) There are specialized demons that inhabit those things. We open the door they use to come inside our lives.
One even followed Paul around, hindering his meetings till he turned and cast it out of that woman! THEY ARE INVISIBLE!!! We never have drinks and smoke pot alone.
Maybe we should turn our focus away from nephalim in Genesis and lay our eyes on how to identify demonic activity in our lives, family, friends, mean neighbors, violent video games etc. ask yourself: what Fruit am I seeing?? Is someone depressed or suicidal? That's a spirit of death. Drugs, alcohol, pot=spirit of bondage. Learn these things. You could be praying to set clueless people FREE to follow Jesus.
Please think about this. Remember people who died way too early. Some of you commit to pray every day for Military who will be returning home soon, to find jobs miraculously, find new friends, be blessed for serving. Hold their lives Precious within your heart and spirit. Let's love Larger than just ourselves.
Mishandled
If you read it at a snails speed, you might see your errors.
Your allegations about Eve having sex with anyone other than her husband (whom to God performed the first marriage), Is also unscriptural. Try reading all of the Geneologies. Cain is recorded as Adams firstborn.
Isaiah 14:12-16 (description of satan)
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. (Suit of worms)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 THEY THAT SEE THEE shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (devil) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
No offense intended, but I find your fixation on nakedness, wantoness, adultery and covering sex organs, shocking.
The entire Bible is about Jesus: Genesis to the last verse in Revelation. In fact, Revelation 22:18-19, tells us NOT TO ADD TO or, TO TAKE AWAY FROM, anything written in the Bible. To persist will get your part taken out of the Book of Life.
I'll end with this scripture:
Acts 19:15
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?
Mishael
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
This is speaking about satan/Lucifer. He'll be covered in worms. :D
M.
Throughout the gospels we see they can get into people or harass them. There are lots of books and material on YouTube, covering the subject of spiritual warfare. Ephesians 6
What is not taught as much is the AUTHORITY of the Christian believer over these invisible spirits. We can see the fruit of the demonic in these street riots going on in our cities. The crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified was demonic. Satan thought he had killed the Son of God at last; but on the 3rd day Jesus came out of that tomb!
I don't think we should be demon conscious, but be Jesus conscious and use the Authority He gave to us to pray for ourselves and others.
Be disciples of Jesus and be filled with the Holy Spirit. We can ask the Holy Spirit for the Gift of Discerning of Spirits: there's human spirits, angelic spirits, demonic spirits.
Demons don't have bodies. They'll get inside of animals or people. They can't get in a born again, Holy Spirit baptized, Christian follower of Jesus, full of Bible scripture and knowledge of their AUTHORITY in Jesus Christ.
I do mean we need to be able to quote scripture like the Son of God, say IT IS WRITTEN and send those demons into outer darkness!
Jesus has provided everything we need to know in the Bible. We're supposed to know why we have armor and use it. His BLOOD is HOLY and no demon is going to challenge the POWER that is in that Holy, Sinless, Blood of the Lamb of God!
Again, be God conscious. Study. Get informed. ASK the Holy Spirit to teach you this truth. Desire the best gifts He has. Learn what they do. This is how we pray for family, our kids, our friends, strangers, our nation. Read the red letters in the gospels. Jesus defeated Satan! Grow your faith.
Isaiah 14:16. Some day we will see satan and be astonished we were so afraid.
Mishael
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Jude 20 so very important to treasure folks, and neglect not. Difference between Spirit and GHOST / and communion of, and fellowship with/ believe 131 times and believeth continuous, 39 times,
Prov 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Berean Acts 17:11 kjv. So satan has largely ensnared the the church into less true intimacy and flow of revelation is weakened, and now told to bow ones head in prayer then suggests we are approaching notfessed up and sanctified, so gifted boldness of gifted faith is gone misleading millions of the immature into confusion and hands + head down, powerlessness. Romans 1:4. Feigning Christianity, Popal biased Westcott and Hort have strewn their tare seeds of division, no greater hoax (other than declaring later versions are better than the KJVs scary consistency & excellence in placement of spirit & Ghost, ye or you, believe or believeth etc,etc ( Phillippians 1:9,10,11) of the tried and true KJV), has scarce been pulled off since Rome calling itself 1st Christian Church, and how sick ! is that. But our gracious *FATHER GOD* lets the seeker know the seasons by calling the 666 Vactool Luciferase. Come let us adore *HIM* *CHRIST JESUS Our Magnanimous (LORD* and ineffable *SAVIOUR* Psalm 66:2 Sing forth the honor of his name: make his praise glorious.
Amen and Amen, *JAH* is *HIS* Name, the perfect Dad.*JESUS* *DADS* Brightness. Ordinances such as Galations 6:6 and Hebrews 3:13 are not shared meat in our fellowship. But now, since that my last demon, frustration was renounced. And settling Ephesians 2:6 aligns with Psalm 91:1 + 14,15,16. The challenge of obedience in all things must be.*G* B U who follow on eagerly Jude 20.
As further support, we have Ezekiel chapter 28, where a similar wicked prince is taken over the coals: the Prince of Tyrus. He too made similar claims (v2). Then Ezekiel took up a lamentation over him (vv 12-19) with words that clearly show that the prince could not possibly be the one that is only referred to here (vv 13-16) & that there is another one that perfectly fulfilled this, indeed was instrumental in the prince's behaviour. Words such as 'anointed cherub' & 'perfect in the ways from the day thou was created' can't be applied to the prince, rather strongly reveals Satan who was once pure & holy 'until iniquity was found in thee' who was the prince's influence.
So the question comes back to your thoughts: 'if angels have no will of their own, how can they then sin'? Herein, our understanding ceases as we're not told how this can happen. But because it happened, we should not remove all references to Satan/Lucifer as one who was never in Heaven as a cherub. And, we're not required to be 'sinless to enter Heaven': we are still saved & sanctified sinners who will be renewed in every way, outfitted for life in Eternity. Only Jesus is seen as a sinless Man now glorified in Body & in worship, at His Father's right Hand.
Angels have no will of their own, making it impossible for them to sin. Satan was not an Angel of God that rebelled and was then cast out. Yes there are areas in the Bible that talk about Satan in heavenly places such as in Job, where Satan and God were discussing or debating, whatever we want to call this interaction in consideration of Job. But Satan was never in the Heaven talked about as in Heaven vs Hell, places souls spend eternity.
The probable area that seems to indicate Satan was in Heaven and cast out is represented in Isaiah 14 starting in verse 4 "...take up this proverb against the king of Babylon..." Here the description of Babylon's king Nebuchadnezzar and his fall from power and being turned into a beast as depicted in Daniel 4 begins. Another depiction of what would happen to the king as told by 2 accounts in 2 different ways. In Isaiah 14:12 we read "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14 is still talking about a man, the king of Babylon. In verse 16 it confirms that a man is still being discussed. "...Is this the man that made the earth to tremble..." Would you call Satan a man? Satan and Lucifer are not the same; Lucifer was an alternate name, a nickname maybe, of Nebuchadnezzar.
If Angels in Heaven can sin, and you or I can be thrown out of Heaven, does it sound like such a great reward as we otherwise think it to be? Why are we required to be sinless to enter Heaven, yet after arriving we can sin again once there? Isn't part of the reward of gaining Heaven to not be in or around sin, sinful things, and the temptation to sin? Sin and the sinful cannot enter Heaven.
Lucifer was A CREATED ARCHANGEL. 4th in line to the Throne. He was cast down to the Earth. He became Satan. He was NOT human. He had no ability to produce children, unless you refer to evil spirits? Lucifer was in charge of praise and worship to God. He lost his position and name also when he was cast out.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that THOU WAS CREATED.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Revelation 12:9
And the GREAT DRAGON was cast out, that old SERPENT called the DEVIL and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
SEE ISAIAH 14:12-16, to read more of Lucifer.
If you will Google 'LIST OF DEMON NAMES'
you'll see who works for him. The 1/3 that chose to be cast out with him.
Blessings, Mishael
God's word reveals to us that the earth was "without form, and void." That is found in Jeremiah 4:23. Many people that worship God and Jesus understand this to have happened in the first earth age.
We know the phrase "without form, and void," from Genesis 1:2, and it means 'completely covered with water,' which is what the earth was before the 6 days of re-creation by God.
The 'Scriptural proof' you are requesting from Word 76 concerning people on earth a long time age can be found in Jeremiah 4:25, as God states that there was "no man." This is not reference to the flood of Noah's day, as Noah, his family, and animals, survived the flood. Neither was the heaven black or light taken from the earth at the flood of Noah's time. Neither were all the birds gone.
God declares to His children that they are "sottish," meaning foolish, because they do not care for or desire "understanding" of His word. God then reminds them, and reveals to us, how the earth came to be "without form, and void" and the heavens gave "no light."
We are also told that God did not make a "full end" of that destruction, i.e. the 6 days of re-creation in Genesis 1.
Given in ( Jeremiah 4:22 - 29) is information as to HOW God destroyed and made "desolate" the earth, and that He withdrew His light from the heavens. WHY His "fierce anger" was kindled can be found in chapter 14 of Isaiah ( Isaiah 14:1 - 32). Prophecy concerning the restoration of Israel is given. Within this prophecy, Satan is addressed symbolically as "Lucifer" (look at Isaiah 14:12 - 20)
The word of God does not declare that Eve had 'fraternal twins,' the point being made is that it is possible. Science states that it is possible to have twins with different fathers. I believe this could be a possibility.
We learn and teach with love! Nobody knows everything about Scripture, and we try to understand other peoples points of view with compassion and guidance.
Word 76, right on, keep up the good studying.
Revelation 9:1 tells us that when the fifth angel sounded, a star fell. In Revelation Chapter 1, we know that the stars represent angels. So a star fell from heaven. Secondly, the word fall is in the Perfect Tense. So he sees a star which has already fallen. He didn't see it as it was falling. He saw a fallen star, a star that had already fallen from out of heaven unto the earth.
And to this angel, this fallen star, was given the key to the bottomless pit. Notice that it was given to him. He did not possess it. He did not have authority over it. We know from Revelation Chapter 1 that Jesus has the keys of Hades and of death. The Lord holds all the keys to all of these places.
Now the bottomless pit is the word abyss, ABUSSO in Greek. And it is interesting because it is believed that around where Babylon used to be, and in fact, it was the place where Saddam Hussein was caught, but they believed that there is a shaft that goes down into the heart of the earth. And this shaft is closed up on the top.
And this would be the place that Peter told us about in 2 Peter Chapter 2:4, that there are angels who are reserved in chains of darkness, ready to be revealed.
And so this star who had fallen was given the key to the bottomless pit. This star is none other than Satan himself, and the creatures that will be released from this pit are going to be two-hundred million demons unleashed upon the earth.
But concerning this star who had been fallen, back in Isaiah 14:12-15, we have recorded for us the rebellion of Satan. It is called the "five I wills," where Satan said I will be like the most high, where he expressed his rebellion towards God.
And it is at that time that he lost his first domain. He lost his first position with God.
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Concerning the three heaven and earth AGES; reference will again be pointed toward the entire chapter of 2nd Peter chapter 3. This might give you a clearer understanding of these separate DISPENSATIONS OF TIME (not the formation of three separate heavens and earths). For reference I will again state that "the world that then was" ( 2 Peter 3:6) refers to the first dispensation of time. "The heavens and earth which are now" ( 2 Peter 3:7) refers to the second dispensation of time (the time we are presently living in from Adam until now). And "a new heavens and a new earth" ( 2 Peter 3:13) refer to the time period that all God fearing humans are waiting for; also look at Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:12, Revelations 21:1.
My question concerning Satan brings into light the three dispensations of time; as Scripture would be most difficult to understand without comprehension of them.
The fall of Satan happened in the first earth and heaven age and was the reason for the end of that particular time period. Information regarding this can be found (as you stated) in Isaiah 14:12-20, Isaiah 45:18, 19, Jeremiah 4:22-29, and Ezekiel 28:12-19, as they are descriptive figurative statements revealing him to us. Not a page of God's word could be turned without the use of figurative language; which is employed to emphasize a truth and reveal a deeper understanding of the topic being discussed.
Therefore, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. That was the first earth age.
Found in first half of Genesis 1:2 is the result of the end of the first dispensation of time (due to the rebellion of Satan); hence, the earth was (became) without form and void.
Found in the second half of Genesis 1:2 is the first act of the second dispensation of time; hence, the Spirit of God moving upon the waters.
I would not have even listened to it if it didn't have scriptural foundation. The teacher uses the Hebrew to explain the events that happened. I do not know why I had NEVER heard this expanded teaching before, at church, but I have now. I still have 3 hours to listen to!
Here are some scripture passages you'll want to mark for that study. At one point I just began to write all over the page margins :/
This may interest you to listen to it on YouTube later.
Genesis 1, Job 1:8, restoration of earth in Genesis,
Jeremiah 4;23-28
Jeremiah 4:26 Gods anger
Isaiah 24:1 Is pre-Adam; God turned earth upside down,
Job 9:1-9 earth frozen ball of ice
Revelation ch 6
Job 38. Science has proved the Bible is accurate;
Deu. 32:4 Gods work is perfect
Isa 45:18
Eccl. 3:11
Psalm 18:30
Genesis verses 6-9 restoration not creation
Genesis 1-2 earth not 6 thousand years old; it's billions, what science proved.
I had all the prophetic scriptures boxed; I just didn't know how the fit in. When it says former inhabitants and people's, those are the 1/3 angels that followed Lucifer.
Isaiah 14:17 20 spoken by demons to Lucifer
Satan was in hell when Adam was created. He was turned into a snake. Was in the garden Ezekiel 28:13
Ezekiel 28: 1-19 Lucifer>Satan
Lucifer went from Archangel/ covering Cherub. God>Holy Spirit>Jesus>Lucifer
4th in line to the throne. Isa.14:12
YouTube. WAR IN THE HEAVENLIES, by Benny Hinn. 5 hour teaching
Why do we need to put this together so we can understand it?? Because people ask questions. And..,it's very important to Satan. We need to know HOW he came to be loose on the earth; after Adam and after Jesus'S death on the Cross.
For myself and you, we have a responsibility to piece this together as it really happened.
Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star
The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Dr David Stern writes: "Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.
The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.
Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star
In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?
Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully
Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.'
(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)
12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,
MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God's stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.
who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR is Jesus
Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star
Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua
Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR
Jesus is Yeshua the morning star
Isaiah 14:24, 26-27 - The LORD of Hosts has sworn: "Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand. This the plan devised for the whole earth, and this is the hand stretched out over all the nations. The LORD of Hosts has purposed, and who can thwart Him? His hand is outstretched, so who can turn it back?
Ephesians 1:4-5 - According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
Isaiah 46:9-11 - Remember what happened long ago, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. I distinguish the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come, saying: 'My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all My good pleasure.' I summon a bird of prey from the east, a man for My purpose from a far-off land. Truly I have spoken, truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, I will surely do it.
Isaiah 48:3 - I foretold the former things long ago; they came out of My mouth and I proclaimed them.
Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.
Acts 4:28 - They carried out what Your hand and purpose had decided beforehand would happen.
Daniel 4:35 - All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing, and He does as He pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain His hand or say to Him, 'What have You done?'"
The confidence we have is that God is trustworthy. He is not fickle. If God says we will be eternally perfect, we will be. If God had created Adam and Eve perfect, they would have been. And neither they, nor the devil would have rebelled against God.
Is Yeshua really Lucifer?
The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes: Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.
The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.
In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?
Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully
Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.'
(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)
12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,
MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God's stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.'
So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.
Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua
Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.
Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in
Genesis 17: 18-21
Ishmael was born in Gods permissive will.
God blessed him
Will make him fruitful
Will multiply him exceedingly:
Twelve princes shall he beget
I will make him a great nation
That explains a lot I think, but read also Genesis 18: 18-19 There is a note to read: Gen 12:3, 22:28, psalm 72:17, Acts 3:25, Gal. 3:8-9, 16, 18
Isaac gets Israel (all the land of Canaan). I'd have to look at maps later.
There is great resentment in Israel right now. Palestinians want the land back pure & simple. They want everything that was Destroyed to be rebuilt, infrastructure and full access to Jerusalem. They want everything that the war of 1967 gained!!! It's mind boggling. Israel gets to be a state but loses what they fought for independence to regain.
This is the engine that is hurrying the earth to conclusion. It's partly why we are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. God is NOT going to rescind the covenant with Abraham.
One point about the Antichrist is found in Daniel 11:37....neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard ANY god: for he shall magnify himself. [a note refers to Isaiah 14:13 here]
Bottom line is that Antichrist is most likely descended from Ishmael. But he has no regard for his heritage.
He's moving under the radar but if enough people read Jerusalem Post dot com ?? We may see him in a crowd with a smirk.
The prophesies are about the Covenant; the land God has given to Israel through Isaac.
There are many people's that are returning that believe Jesus is the Messiah; they're happy about it; most likely have churches; evangelize...
How can you despise that? Israel is the apple of Gods eye. He rejects orthodox Torah carrying boneheads that will not receive His son. He is turning up the pressure every day. God has a plan! Quit railing and you will see.
The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes:
Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.
The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.
In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?
Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully
Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)
11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)
with the music of your lyres,
under you a mattress of maggots,
over you a blanket of worms.'
(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)
12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,
MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations?
13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,
I will raise my throne above God's stars.
I will sit on the Mount of Assembly
far away in the north.
14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.'
So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.
Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua
Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.
Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in Rev 22 and in Isaiah 14 Yeshua fell from heaven making him Lucifer essentially