Hello Simon. Your reference to Genesis 3:19 is correct, though when we consider the Hebrew word for 'dust' (as given in the KJV), it is 'aphar', and this includes dust, earth, ashes, powder, even rubbish. And then we have Abraham speaking in Genesis 18:27, "And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes". So even here, Abraham uses that word, aphar, to show that his body is truly of the earth ( 1 Corinthians 15:47), which the LORD God used to put together humankind, identifying him with the ground upon which he would walk, and into which his body would one day return.
So, these references could show that whether soil & dust is referred to, it must also include other substances and elements that comprise the earth, of which ash forms a part (as ash doesn't remain in that form for very long - it will integrate with the soil in which it is mixed). As much as a biblical pattern of dealing with the deceased is most preferable, it must be admitted that quite often that is not always possible, whether because of personal choice or constraints, or through dealings by others or beasts coming against the unfortunate. None of this should prevent the righteous soul from sharing in the resurrection, for not one of the Shepherd's sheep will be lost. GBU.
A closer look at Romans 9:1-12 with old testament references.
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Romans 9:7-11 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
I've seen some
Replacement theologist use these verses to assign those of the flesh to Israel and they assign "Children" of the promise to the Church.
This follows after they mis interpret Romans 9:6.
However it's clear that the passages in " Romans 9:1-12 " is making a distinction between the children of promise and the children of the flesh. "BOTH BIOLOGICAL DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM.
Here's the old testament passages of scripture these verses in Romans 9 is referring to.
Romans 9:9) For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
OT reference.
Genesis 17:16-21.
Genesis 18:10-14.
Here we see the promise of Issac taking place and the child of the flesh that also Metaphorically represents the works of the flesh refused. Why? It's not according to God's purpose!
Note;
Abraham had 6 other sons by Keturah, "his concubine" Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah:
These are also children of the flesh.
Romans 9::10-11
And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
OT reference. Genesis 25:21-23
Isaac blesses Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 27:29
Genesis 27:37.
This has nothing to do with Salvation in regards of Limited Atonement, The Church or Replacement theology.
I would like to touch on something you said but may have not meant to.
Gigi, You stated "And we must admit that God is free to show FAVOR to whomever He pleases and to withhold it from whomever He pleases. .
I believe we can see a glimpse of Gods Judgment Justified by Righteousness in Genesis and throughout the Bible.
Here's one example.
Genesis 18:22-33 We see God works his Judgment off his Righteousness. He's faithful in doing that and we can expect that as did Abraham!
Verses 22-25.
"And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
There is a pre-condition has to be met here to escape. "One would have to be "RIGHTEOUS"
God didn't decide to say "Oh let me go make or elect to make Lot righteous before I destroy the place.
God is sovereign and can do as he pleases so Abraham reasoned with God understanding his nature as one who judge in Righteousness!
God answers Abraham off of that basis.
Verse 26) "And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes"
The free gift is Christ and it comes by faith! Paul says in Romans 1:16-17. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
In the name of Jesus, she is covered in the blood. Genesis 18:14 and Jeremiah 32:27 God asks is anything too hard for him? This reminds us that long as we seek him first, everything is alright. I will be praying for your sister. Be strong
"That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
God's exchange with Abraham gives us insight that we can expect God to do things according to his Nature!
He's a righteous Judge and though he's sovereign and can do as he pleases.
It's blasphemous to believe what pleases him is to NOT provide a way of salvation but to only a fraction of a WORLD he says he loves!
ALL have sinned and ALL was facing condemnation.
THE WHOLE WORLD!
God displayed his love to the WHOLE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son!
God didn't elect only a fraction of mankind for salvation and ordain the rest to be condemned to show love to those he saves!
God doesn't allow someone to go to hell because he's is sovereign and felt like it.
We can't one minute say God can't do things outside his nature and then turn around and say he creates and destroys those he haven't chosen/elected to send them to hell because he's sovereign!
THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD.
The idea that God has absolute power and authority over all things, and is the right of God to rule over his creation. The Bible teaches that God's sovereignty is a fundamental part of his identity. "That's the sovereignty of God"
God displays his power and authority over all things, and the right to rule over his creation IN RIGHTEOUSNESS as displayed in Genesis 18:25!
Thanks for your reply, I know many have the understanding the sons of God in Genesis 6 are the line of Seth and the daughters of men are of Cain and those not following God. I will just give a little of my understanding not in debate.
Scripture tells us there were Nephilim/giants in the world before and after the flood Genesis 6:42 Samuel 21:16Joshua 12:4Numbers 13:33Deuteronomy 2:19-21Amos 2:9 Also in Joshua 13, 15, 17, 18, 2 Samuel 21 and 1 Chronicles 20 Also, in the Old Testament, there is the Rephaim or Rephaites, and the context describes them as giants. so, where did they come from?
2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1: 6 tell us of a group of angels who left their first estate and are locked in darkness. Many other fallen angels we battle including Satan are on this earth 2 Corinthians 11:14-15. But these angels are locked in darkness until judgment, and we see in Revelation 9:11 they have a king. These angels had to do something far greater than rebelling against God, my understanding is they adulterated God's creation, we see how corrupt it got.
We know from Jude and 2 Peter angels sinned, kept not their first estate, and left their habitation. Estate means condition, status, and dominion, and habitation means residence or dwelling place. I understand how many takes Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 but Jesus is not referring to sex He is saying when we are resurrected, we will be like the angels in heaven who are immortal. We are mortal, we have to marry and reproduce when we are resurrected, we will be raised immortal same as the angels no more need to marry and reproduce, and we will be on the earth not heaven.
We see angels come down on earth that have bodies, they can eat and drink, Genesis 18:1-8 and other places like Hebrews 13:2. To me the angels who left their estate is where these giants came from, and we see when Israel went into the promised land God wiped out the giants or had them kill them all even the children.
I have been wiped out on my computer TWICE trying to get this posting out. Seems the enemy doesn't want me to do this.
Or I had too many windows up at the same time. UGH.
Whenever I go to get scripture references I take a chance on wiping out the page; although my computer for some reason stalled out last run..
I will post this as an argument and rebuttal format just to do something different....
First assumption (as best I understand it). Christ didn't appear any other time in a bodily form except while here on earth.
It should be clear that Christ rose with scars remaining from His body which He had on earth that was resurrected. This is clear from "doubting Thomas" in John 20:28. There are numerous instances when Christ was indeed in a preincarnate form; such as with the incident with Abraham in Genesis 18:18 (where it also appears the discussion in the previous verses is between the Godhead as to whether these things should remain hidden). There is also the incident with the angel of the Lord in Hosea 11:4 cross referencing Jacob wrestling with God in the account of Genesis 32:22-32. For worship to occur these saints of God were indeed only to worship God. Since 1 John states that no one can see God and live; and Genesis 32:30 says that no one has seen God at any time; it seems clear that Christ was appearing in these cases. Numerous other verses could be cited.
The "us" verses.
We see in the original creation story in Genesis 1; as well as the narrative of the Tower of Babel ( Genesis 11:7) where "our image" and "us" is referred to in the creation of man; and the determination to confuse the language of men.
Argument Two: Main premise that God is one appearing in different "modes" or forms. To ignore that God is in distinct persons seems absurd in light of verses such as Luke 23:46 (where Jesus commended His spirit to God at death); and all other verses which showed Christ praying to the Father.
Revelation of JESUS Christ,which GOD gave unto Him,to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass;
Three angels proclaim the righteous Judgment of GOD
Revelation 14:6-13 (Compare with Gen.18 -Three angels visited Abraham before destruction of Sodoma)
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,and to every nation,and kindred,and tongue,and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice,Fear GOD and give glory to Him;for the hour of His Judgment is come:and worship Him that made heaven, and earth,and the sea,and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel,saying,Babylon is fallen,is fallen, that great city,because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them,saying with a loud voice,If any man worship the Beast and His image,and receive his mark in his forehead,or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the WRATH of GOD,which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels,and in the presence of the Lamb:
Genesis 18:1-33&19:12-17&27-29
- First,the Lord appeared unto Abraham in the plains of Mamre:and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;And he lift up his eyes and looked,and,lo, three MEN stood by him:and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door,and bowed himself toward the ground,
- Soon after,Abraham offered the three MEN a delicious lunch,in fact a banquet,and stood by them under the tree,and they did eat.
- And they asked unto Abraham:Where is Sarah thy wife?I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life;and,lo,Sarah thy wife shall have a son
- The Lord also said:Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do? they rose up from thence and looked toward Sodom:Abraham asked: Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
I never said nor believed you complained to administration, others read your comments and can react to those comments.
We are ALL the BODY of Christ, by the resurrection of Christ, ALL have become ONE, even our prodigal sons, even though they have not AS YET come to that truth, they will be DRAWN back to CHRIST.
God speaks of things that ARE NOT, as if they ALREADY ARE.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I WILL draw ALL MEN unto me.
Genesis 18:14 ... at the TIME APPOINTED, I will return to thee, according to the TIME of LIFE ....
I believe we have a all knowing God who can't be surprised who stands on the outside of time looking in!
Anything you are going to do next week or next year, in God's view you did it yesterday!
How can we know his judgments?
We know that he's just and we're all guilty.
He's righteous, Merciful, longsuffering and he's just, beyond what we can comprehend.
With that being said our minds don't measure up when trying to understand his Judgments.
So if we use his attributes along with what is consistent throughout ALL scripture as a principle to guide us we should come to conclusion hearing and receiving the word of God or refusing to hear and rejecting the word of God plays the primary role in God's Judgment.
So there must be an age of maturity enough for one to understand they need an savior because little two year old Billie is a sinner and he don't know it.
An accountability is likely when one matures and have understanding of some sort of consequences for sin, Some acknowledgement of the need for a savior.
And I believe God judges them according to what they receives.
Here's a few scriptures according to those basics.
Luke 10:13-14
Matthew 10:14-15.
Luke 12:47-48.
God shall judge righteous.
You see a picture of how he uses discretion in judgment in
Genesis 18:23-32.
Genesis 18:35 should be considered along with God's sovereign and foreknowledge and circumstances.
I believe there's a lot more going on in this dark world than what is on the surface and these things should be taken into consideration when questioning God's decision to destroy nations.
We could never fully understand God's methods of Judging but we can take what we do have in scripture and say one would have to be able to comprehend more than what a child is capable of to receive judgment without mercy.
Example.
DEUTERONOMY 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day HAD NO KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL..
Lot's wife never demonstrated saving faith from what scripture would indicate; at the very least desiring more to turn back to see the fate of the city doomed for destruction rather than to escape. "Righteous Lot" ( 2 Peter 2:7-8) was vexed every day; and clearly quite compromised in his dealings when he offered his daughters to the men who were trying to break down his door to commit abominations. No mention of his wife is in the scriptures; as was with Sarah; for instance in Hebrews 11.
Today in church it was discussed how Abraham was said to be the only one who was a "friend" of God ( James 2:23). Exodus 33:11 states the same of Moses as well so technically my Pastor erred. My point here I may expound on later; namely the fact that God truly spoke in a different manner to them than many others in the Bible. The friendship; in other words went both ways. The discussion also came up today in Sunday school on how He is both Master and friend. This is a mystery in itself; and forces us beyond stereotypical cultural viewpoints toward such a relationship. As for now; I will just state that Lot had to be "shoved" out of his town literally; and the angels had to put up with his ridiculous bantering about going to the nearby little town; which was promptly abandoned once Lot saw what happened and hid in the mountains. Abraham and Moses both had slow starts and their own issues; but were able to have close fellowship with the Lord as we see from Genesis 18:17 with Abraham and Exodus 32:30 where Moses acted to intercede to prevent God from destroying all of Israel. That scene is another discussion as to its theological implications.
We all should strive to be as the saints in the "hall of fame" in Hebrews 11; not stubborn like Jonah as an ox. Nonetheless these all are true believers. We CANNOT claim God's promises with an imaginary Christ or on other terms than scripture dictates and expect it to be true.
"Now therefore, my son, obey my voice according to that which I command thee. Go now to the flock, and fetch me from thence two good kids of the goats; and I will make them savory meat for thy father, such as he loveth: and thou shalt bring it to thy father, that he may eat, and that he may bless thee before his death."
Genesis 27:8-10
"And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."
Genesis 18:7-8
These are just two examples. If you think God didn't intend for us to do this, then were Abraham and Rachel doing something wrong?!
There are multiple reasons for delay & no from GOD.
James 4, not GOD's perfect plan, timing = look at Abraham he was promised a son, even past natural ability Genesis 12:4,6,7, Abram 75 yrs old, Genesis 17:1-8, Abraham also called Abram 90 yrs old, Sarah Genesis 18:10,11, Genesis 21:1-3, was the delay for example of faith Hebrews 11, was it for the linage of Salvation timing? Matthew 1:17, ?
1John 3:22, John 16:23, Psalms 37, Luke 11, Matthew 6, Matthew 7, Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, Luke 18,
I fasted, prayed, begged, cried out & received what I asked many times & several of those caused me years of deep pain, regret, sadness etc. Trust GOD ALMIGHTY sometimes it's protection, not seeing & knowing everything & everyone attached to the things we ask. Luke 8:10-18,
"The GOD", in Old Testament, Exodus 3:6, is "elohiym" same word for Genesis 1, Genesis 9,
In Genesis 7, 'and the LORD' is "Yhvh" & Genesis 6,
You can click each scripture to read the translation words & click that into deeper study of words, for each name of GOD.
1John 4, 1John 4:16 ... 'GOD is love' ... Is translated from the Greek, "theos esti agape"
Yes, I believe in both situations it was a loving GOD that protected & stopped the wickedness, cruelty, etc.notice, Genesis 6:5, Genesis 18, Genesis 18:20,21,25,32, Genesis 19:4,9,
a. If I understand well you believe in a rapture in the midst of those last 7 years or sometime before the 2nd coming of Jesus on earth?
b. The Revelation is not written in chronological order. God's wrath will not occur only at the end but also during those 7 years. Rev 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven ANGELS seven golden vials FULL OF THE WRATH OF GOD who liveth for ever and ever." It is God's punishment of the sinful world. This is what causes the great tribulation. They are not due to physical causes. If the great tribulation is not due to God's punishment, what is it then? Which are causes of that tribulation and which events are a result of that tribulation? What do you actually mean with great tribulation?
c. The tribulations in one's life that Paul talks about are persecutions due their faith and for their spiritual training. They are a completely different thing from that great tribulation.
d. Lets read carefully the discussion Abraham had with the Lord just before the distruction of Sodom and Gommorah, it shows how God thinks and how God acts in similar cases.
Genesis 18:23-33
"And Abraham drew near, and said, WILT THOU DESTROY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED?
Peradventure there be FIFTY righteous within the city: WILT THOU DESTROY AND NOT SPARE THE PLACE FOR THE FIFTY RIGHTEOUS THAT ARE THEREIN?
THAT BE FAR FROM THEE TO DO AFTER THIS MANNER, TO SLAY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED: AND THAT THE RIGHTEOUS SHOULB BE AS THE WICKED, THAT BE FAR FROM THEE: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I WILL SPARE ALL THE PLACE FOR THEIR SAKES.
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And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure TEN shall be found there. And he said, I WILL NOT DESTROY IT FOR TEN'S SAKE."
So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion.
THE CUSTOM OF FEET WASHING and JESUS - In Reply - 3 years ago
The Old Testament references ( Genesis 18:4; 19:2; 24:32; 43:24; Judges 19:21; 1 Samuel 25:41; 2 Samuel 11:8; Song of Solomon 5:3; Psalms 58:10) show that the washing of the feet was the first act on entering the tent or house after a journey. The Orientals wore only sandals, and this washing was refreshing as well as cleanly. In the case of ordinary people, the host furnished the water, and the guests washed their own feet, but in the richer houses, the washing was done by a slave. It was looked upon as the lowliest of all services ( 1 Samuel 25:41). Jesus pointedly contrasts Simon's neglect of even giving Him water for His feet with the woman's washing His feet with tears and wiping them with her hair ( Luke 7:44). On the last evening of His life, Jesus washed the disciples' feet ( John 13:1-16). Their pride, heightened by the anticipations of place in the Messianic kingdom whose crisis they immediately expected, prevented their doing this service for each other. Possibly the same pride had expressed itself on this same evening in a controversy about places at table. Jesus, conscious of His divine dignity and against Peter's protest, performed for them this lowliest service. His act of humility actually cleansed their hearts of selfish ambition, killed their pride, and taught them the lesson of love.
LOTS MISTAKE REARING HIS DAUGHTERS_Gen.18 - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 3 years ago
I don't believe it's an oversight that God did not tell us the names of Lot's two daughters. Their story is inextricably linked to their father's actions and has implications not only for young people who find themselves in difficult situations, but a warning to every parent. It's a sad story in many ways, but also reveals God's merciful and redemptive character. We don't know their names because they could be any of us, were we to find ourselves in the similar circumstances.
[Don't Underestimate the Power of a Sinful Environment to Sear the Conscience]
In our modern culture, we are quick to judge these two young women and assure ourselves we would never resort to such desperate actions. We would be wise to learn from their experience.
Lot's daughters had grown up in a city where sexual immorality was commonly accepted. They were engaged to young men who scoffed at God's warning. God told Abraham, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave" ( Genesis 18:20). Apparently, there were not even ten righteous people in the city. Being surrounded by such influences had obviously seared the consciences of these two women; their idea to have sexual relations with their father seemed a logical and acceptable solution.
Left to ourselves, the human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9). Without the restraining and redeeming influence of God's Word and His Holy Spirit, we can't imagine the depths of sin to which we might go. Lot had failed to teach his daughters the truth about who God is; they were simply acting in accordance with the lifestyle and knowledge they had been given.
Titus 1:14 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
TEACH YOUR CHILDREN_DEUTERONOMY 28-29_LOTS DAUGHTERS - In Reply - 3 years ago
I don't believe it's an oversight that God did not tell us the names of Lot's two daughters. Their story is inextricably linked to their father's actions and has implications not only for young people who find themselves in difficult situations, but a warning to every parent. It's a sad story in many ways, but also reveals God's merciful and redemptive character. We don't know their names because they could be any of us, were we to find ourselves in the similar circumstances.
[Don't Underestimate the Power of a Sinful Environment to Sear the Conscience]
In our modern culture, we are quick to judge these two young women and assure ourselves we would never resort to such desperate actions. We would be wise to learn from their experience.
Lot's daughters had grown up in a city where sexual immorality was commonly accepted. They were engaged to young men who scoffed at God's warning. God told Abraham, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave" ( Genesis 18:20). Apparently, there were not even ten righteous people in the city.
Being surrounded by such influences had obviously seared the consciences of these two women; their idea to have sexual relations with their father seemed a logical and acceptable solution.
Left to ourselves, the human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9) Without the restraining and redeeming influence of God's Word and His Holy Spirit, we can't imagine the depths of sin to which we might go. Lot had failed to teach his daughters the truth about who God was; they were simply acting in accordance with the lifestyle and knowledge they had been given.
Titus 1:14 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Deuteronomy 28
It is the fathers solemn responsibility to teach Gods Word to the children. All ages. The Bible is wisdom from above. Read it.
Earl, you have a unique interpretation of the Bible.
Everything is God's Will, period. It's God's will to give man freewill. God is big and powerful enough to do this, even if people can't understand it and still want to deny it. God also is big and powerful enough to change His mind and let things play out, as the Bible says in Exodus 32:14, Genesis 18:32, and over a dozen other examples.
Maybe you believe you are a puppet or marionette 100% controlled by God. Did God force you to write this post beyond your will? Does God force you to eat at certain foods you dislike or do things you don't want to do throughout the day? Does he force you to take showers or use restrooms at random times when you don't want to? Are you a prisoner? If so, does this also mean you are perfect just like Jesus and don't sin? Have you ever lied to someone in your lifetime? If so, was that God forcing you to sin or was it 100% you? God doesn't cause anyone to sin ever.
None of the above applies to me as God blessed me with 100% freewill and I try very hard to use that for good and to serve the Lord. But like Paul who faced huge temptation and struggled, I wrestle with these daily choices and decisions and sometimes I make mistakes but repent and try hard to get back on track. Paul said to run the race, not to ignore the race and sit on the couch. Christianity is an active faith, not passive. Nearly every challenge in the Bible is for us to take action and make choices. Many are warnings about choosing good instead of evil.
Freewill that God gives man:
Psalms 119:108
Joshua 24:15
Philippians 1:22
Joshua 24:14-15
Matthew 25:25-30 - Jesus's parable of talents God condemned the lazy servant who choose poorly through fear. The Bible is filled with challenges of choosing to follow God instead of choosing to follow the world.
I find it unusual that you don't believe you have any freewill to make any decisions and are merely a puppet? Is that true? Have you prayed about this? God bless.
Hi Antony. This passage in John chapter 1 is actually self-explanatory, though difficult to understand with the human mind. I'm sure you've read the whole passage from verse 1 to verse 14 especially.
The subject in these verses is The Word. The Word always existed because God always existed. The Word therefore was an intrinsic part of God, therefore the Word was God (not 'a' God, but the spoken declared Word existing & emanating from God): verse 1.
A further description of the Word from within God in verse 2. Everything was made according to this Word and in verse 3, this Word from God was capable of giving Life & Light to mankind. The Word that proceeds out of man is limited to only conveying our thoughts & feelings to someone else. Our limitation is because of our humanity. God is not human, so His Word (and His Spirit) have no limitations like we have - God can use His Word as He Wills & form His Word as He Chooses.
Then to verse 14 which refers back to this Word of God. God in His Wisdom & Plan, chose to take His Word and give it flesh (i.e. to clothe His Word in humanity). This is where it becomes difficult to comprehend: how can something immaterial like a Word be made into a human? Maybe in the same way that God can take a Seed & place it in a woman to bring forth a human baby ( Matthew 1:18-21), or God appearing to Abraham in another form with two others ( Genesis 18:1,2). All things are possible with God & our lack of understanding of His Power & His Ways shouldn't stop us from believing & accepting His Wonders.
So, as John 1:14 declares, that Word of God was made human, seen & touched by others, the begotten of God, named Jesus, the Son of God. Jesus is still the Word of God, made flesh for His Ministry & Sacrifice on Earth, but now risen into Heaven, seated at His Father's right Hand ( Hebrews 10:11,12). The Word that came out of God's Being, made flesh, & now risen as the glorified Man Christ Jesus, fully Divine, interceding for us ( 1 Timothy 2:5).
I'm responding to your reply without reading any of the responses, so my thoughts will stay focused. Just incase there's repeating._..
Being you're still alive, it's not final judgement: Matthew 4:17, Acts 17:30, 2Peter 3:9, in context read whole chapter. Psalms 48:14, Proverbs 10:12, Proverbs 13:14, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:32,
it could be warning from GOD: Psalms 118:18,
or attack not from GOD,: Ephesians 6:12,
Psalms 90,
Jeremiah 18:8,
Psalms 37,
You are angry because of injustice it seems: Exodus 21, Exodus 22, Leviticus 20, Numbers 35, Proverbs 8:36, Genesis 18:19, Proverbs 21:3,
Psalms 73, Jeremiah 27:7-18, Isaiah 58, Isaiah 59, Matthew 25:31-46, James 2,
God alone will judge. If the child was younger, trust God for mercy. And this may be a call to you to evangelize children in your family and neighborhood.
"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" ( Genesis 18:25)? This is a great comfort to those of us with loved ones who have passed into eternity and we are not sure of the destination of their souls. God is a sovereign Judge of righteousness, full of grace and mercy to all who call upon Him. It is His very justice that offers a "way" for all to escape the judgment of His righteousness, and it is in that justice that we must rest. It is grace that saves us, and it is grace in which we must stand when we go through the double grief of the death of an unsaved loved one. We must remember that we cannot make this choice for anyone else, and if they went into eternity without Christ, that was their choice in spite of the offer of grace.
Although we may have pain in the remembrance of that loved one while we are in this life and go through the grief process, there will come a time when each born-again believer will be with the Lord. In that day "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" ( Revelation 21:4). We cannot comprehend how that will be because we live in time and are constrained by our finite minds. However, just the thought of that is enough to bring comfort and encouragement. When we see the Lord, all of the sorrow we have now will disappear. "You now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you" ( John 16:22). In the meantime, we can lean on the everlasting arms of God, who feels our pain and comforts us with His great love and mercy.
Mishael: again, trust Gods judgment. Ask Jesus to help carry this pain for you. Come back here for fellowship. You see how much we do care and respond.
Not long after I replied to your question, I noticed the statement looked incomplete. I decided to leave it believing you would understand based on the previous sentence. Then the LORD confirmed the thought with scripture!
Samuel wept for Saul. Samuel being the Judge of Israel: 1Samuel 7:15, Samuel came on the scene because Eli & his sons were dishonoring GOD & GOD's laws. As set forth in the Books of Deuteronomy, & Leviticus, given to Moses, recorded in Exodus 24 - 30, full chapters & Numbers. 1Samuel 1, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:11-18, they were the Priests yet they did their own will. (also fitting for your question) 1Samuel 2:27-36, 1Samuel 2:26, 1Samuel 3, = 1Samuel 4, please note also in Exodus 32, these were actions out of GOD's will, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 19, Yet when Abraham prayed GOD would have spared them all if there were 10 righteous at Abraham's request Genesis 18:16-33,
also comes to mind, GOD allows people to intercede on behalf of others even sinful, the ultimate example is Jesus, even now on our behalf
2Peter 3:9, Luke 17:25-30, 2Chronicles 16:9, Romans 8:34,
A lot is going down in this chapter. The previous chapter saw Abraham laughing about having a child; now Sarah was caught doing the same thing (v. 15). Then; the focus went toward Sodom where the two men (angels) went on to see what was up in the city (verse 22). The "Christophone" (Preincarnate Christ) remained; and there was a sort of bizarre inquisition at this point by Abraham as to whether God would judge Sodom if a minimum of 50 righteous souls were there; and he continued to press the Lord until he reached 10 and was able to get God's assurance that the city wouldn't be judged even if THAT many were there. The only reason it would seem that he would do this verbal contest was because Lot was there with his family. Lot's delivery wasn't clear to him at this point; but would soon occur.
In some ways; it is ironic that in a whole city of men almost all of them were disposed to unnatural relations with men; and the two son in laws of Lot's daughters thought the warnings were a joke that the angels gave them. This caused the daughters to sleep with their father thinking there was no one around to provide children after being surrounded by men previously. They went from great wealth to escaping by the skin of their teeth; whereas Abraham spent time in a desert yet God's promise never failed. Lot's wife as I mentioned in another commentary turned into a "pillar of salt" loving the wealth of this world more than God. She ignored the warning not to look back; and we must heed that call today as well.
Genesis 9:18, Genesis 9:21-22, he didn't cover his father, yet went & told his brothers, notice they were all adults with wives, (not children) Genesis 7:7, I've heard some Pastors explain it was perversion. Also disrespectful, dishonoring his father & taking advantage of a bad situation. His brothers showed honor & respect: Genesis 9:23, Please read: Genesis 6:8-13, Notice Noah was Just & found favor with GOD, in a corrupt violent time. Doesn't say & his children were also "perfect or Just" Genesis 6:22, Genesis 7:1, Genesis 10, the lineage of Noah, Shem, Ham, & Japheth. Notice also in the curse he cursed "canaan" please see Genesis 10:18-19, they were the people of Sodom & Gomorrah. Was this perversion carried down? Even from before flood? Genesis 8:21,
Genesis 18 is about two things. The promised seed to
Abraham through Sarah and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah where Lot had moved to.
In Genesis 13:14-17 God promises to Abraham and his seed the land of Canaan. Abraham and Sarah did not have any children and Sarah was past the age of having children. But with God nothing is impossible. In Genesis 21 Sarah has a son as God said through the angel. As far as the promise of the land to Abraham that is still to happen. Consider Hebrews 11:8-12 and then 39-40. This promise has not been fulfilled yet. This will not happen until Jesus returns to this earth and sets up his kingdom. Consider the Lords prayer. "Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as in heaven.
So, these references could show that whether soil & dust is referred to, it must also include other substances and elements that comprise the earth, of which ash forms a part (as ash doesn't remain in that form for very long - it will integrate with the soil in which it is mixed). As much as a biblical pattern of dealing with the deceased is most preferable, it must be admitted that quite often that is not always possible, whether because of personal choice or constraints, or through dealings by others or beasts coming against the unfortunate. None of this should prevent the righteous soul from sharing in the resurrection, for not one of the Shepherd's sheep will be lost. GBU.
Parr 1
Romans 9:7-11 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
I've seen some
Replacement theologist use these verses to assign those of the flesh to Israel and they assign "Children" of the promise to the Church.
This follows after they mis interpret Romans 9:6.
However it's clear that the passages in " Romans 9:1-12 " is making a distinction between the children of promise and the children of the flesh. "BOTH BIOLOGICAL DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM.
Here's the old testament passages of scripture these verses in Romans 9 is referring to.
Romans 9:9) For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
OT reference.
Genesis 17:16-21.
Genesis 18:10-14.
Here we see the promise of Issac taking place and the child of the flesh that also Metaphorically represents the works of the flesh refused. Why? It's not according to God's purpose!
Note;
Abraham had 6 other sons by Keturah, "his concubine" Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah:
These are also children of the flesh.
Romans 9::10-11
And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
OT reference. Genesis 25:21-23
Isaac blesses Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 27:29
Genesis 27:37.
This has nothing to do with Salvation in regards of Limited Atonement, The Church or Replacement theology.
Galatians sums this up.
See part 2.
Thanks for revisiting this discussion.
I would like to touch on something you said but may have not meant to.
Gigi, You stated "And we must admit that God is free to show FAVOR to whomever He pleases and to withhold it from whomever He pleases. .
I believe we can see a glimpse of Gods Judgment Justified by Righteousness in Genesis and throughout the Bible.
Here's one example.
Genesis 18:22-33 We see God works his Judgment off his Righteousness. He's faithful in doing that and we can expect that as did Abraham!
Verses 22-25.
"And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
There is a pre-condition has to be met here to escape. "One would have to be "RIGHTEOUS"
God didn't decide to say "Oh let me go make or elect to make Lot righteous before I destroy the place.
God is sovereign and can do as he pleases so Abraham reasoned with God understanding his nature as one who judge in Righteousness!
God answers Abraham off of that basis.
Verse 26) "And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes"
The free gift is Christ and it comes by faith! Paul says in Romans 1:16-17. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
God's election is Not Initiated by favor.
Blessings
"That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
God's exchange with Abraham gives us insight that we can expect God to do things according to his Nature!
He's a righteous Judge and though he's sovereign and can do as he pleases.
It's blasphemous to believe what pleases him is to NOT provide a way of salvation but to only a fraction of a WORLD he says he loves!
ALL have sinned and ALL was facing condemnation.
THE WHOLE WORLD!
God displayed his love to the WHOLE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son!
God didn't elect only a fraction of mankind for salvation and ordain the rest to be condemned to show love to those he saves!
God doesn't allow someone to go to hell because he's is sovereign and felt like it.
We can't one minute say God can't do things outside his nature and then turn around and say he creates and destroys those he haven't chosen/elected to send them to hell because he's sovereign!
THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD.
The idea that God has absolute power and authority over all things, and is the right of God to rule over his creation. The Bible teaches that God's sovereignty is a fundamental part of his identity. "That's the sovereignty of God"
God displays his power and authority over all things, and the right to rule over his creation IN RIGHTEOUSNESS as displayed in Genesis 18:25!
Blessings
Thanks for your reply, I know many have the understanding the sons of God in Genesis 6 are the line of Seth and the daughters of men are of Cain and those not following God. I will just give a little of my understanding not in debate.
Scripture tells us there were Nephilim/giants in the world before and after the flood Genesis 6:4 2 Samuel 21:16 Joshua 12:4 Numbers 13:33 Deuteronomy 2:19-21 Amos 2:9 Also in Joshua 13, 15, 17, 18, 2 Samuel 21 and 1 Chronicles 20 Also, in the Old Testament, there is the Rephaim or Rephaites, and the context describes them as giants. so, where did they come from?
2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1: 6 tell us of a group of angels who left their first estate and are locked in darkness. Many other fallen angels we battle including Satan are on this earth 2 Corinthians 11:14-15. But these angels are locked in darkness until judgment, and we see in Revelation 9:11 they have a king. These angels had to do something far greater than rebelling against God, my understanding is they adulterated God's creation, we see how corrupt it got.
We know from Jude and 2 Peter angels sinned, kept not their first estate, and left their habitation. Estate means condition, status, and dominion, and habitation means residence or dwelling place. I understand how many takes Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 but Jesus is not referring to sex He is saying when we are resurrected, we will be like the angels in heaven who are immortal. We are mortal, we have to marry and reproduce when we are resurrected, we will be raised immortal same as the angels no more need to marry and reproduce, and we will be on the earth not heaven.
We see angels come down on earth that have bodies, they can eat and drink, Genesis 18:1-8 and other places like Hebrews 13:2. To me the angels who left their estate is where these giants came from, and we see when Israel went into the promised land God wiped out the giants or had them kill them all even the children.
God bless,
RLW
What we know now by science is "some" results in the make up of man.
And, what little we gather from science, and limited scripture all we truly know is how God scattered man and the results afterwards. .
When man was scattered and evolved into what he is today was a work performed on that 6th day.
Everything else is a result of that day in terms of creation.
And the God rested!
Nothing takes God by surprise and nothing exists by way of plan B.
God's creation shows his Glory because it's unexplained.
We can see and perhaps somewhat understand the results.
However, the how is done by God's omnipotence.
God can do anything he wants and is not subject to physical limitations.
The Bible describes God as omnipotent, term for this is omnipotence.
Psalm 115:3: God does whatever he is pleased to do
Isaiah 55:11: God's word is never void of power, so when he speaks, everything in creation obeys him
Genesis 18:14: Nothing is too hard for him.
God spoke and created everything out of nothing!
He shouldn't have a problem doing anything else after Genesis 1:1
God bless.
I have been wiped out on my computer TWICE trying to get this posting out. Seems the enemy doesn't want me to do this.
Or I had too many windows up at the same time. UGH.
Whenever I go to get scripture references I take a chance on wiping out the page; although my computer for some reason stalled out last run..
I will post this as an argument and rebuttal format just to do something different....
First assumption (as best I understand it). Christ didn't appear any other time in a bodily form except while here on earth.
It should be clear that Christ rose with scars remaining from His body which He had on earth that was resurrected. This is clear from "doubting Thomas" in John 20:28. There are numerous instances when Christ was indeed in a preincarnate form; such as with the incident with Abraham in Genesis 18:18 (where it also appears the discussion in the previous verses is between the Godhead as to whether these things should remain hidden). There is also the incident with the angel of the Lord in Hosea 11:4 cross referencing Jacob wrestling with God in the account of Genesis 32:22-32. For worship to occur these saints of God were indeed only to worship God. Since 1 John states that no one can see God and live; and Genesis 32:30 says that no one has seen God at any time; it seems clear that Christ was appearing in these cases. Numerous other verses could be cited.
The "us" verses.
We see in the original creation story in Genesis 1; as well as the narrative of the Tower of Babel ( Genesis 11:7) where "our image" and "us" is referred to in the creation of man; and the determination to confuse the language of men.
Argument Two: Main premise that God is one appearing in different "modes" or forms. To ignore that God is in distinct persons seems absurd in light of verses such as Luke 23:46 (where Jesus commended His spirit to God at death); and all other verses which showed Christ praying to the Father.
Revelation of JESUS Christ,which GOD gave unto Him,to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass;
Three angels proclaim the righteous Judgment of GOD
Revelation 14:6-13 (Compare with Gen.18 -Three angels visited Abraham before destruction of Sodoma)
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,and to every nation,and kindred,and tongue,and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice,Fear GOD and give glory to Him;for the hour of His Judgment is come:and worship Him that made heaven, and earth,and the sea,and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel,saying,Babylon is fallen,is fallen, that great city,because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them,saying with a loud voice,If any man worship the Beast and His image,and receive his mark in his forehead,or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the WRATH of GOD,which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels,and in the presence of the Lamb:
Genesis 18:1-33&19:12-17&27-29
- First,the Lord appeared unto Abraham in the plains of Mamre:and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;And he lift up his eyes and looked,and,lo, three MEN stood by him:and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door,and bowed himself toward the ground,
- Soon after,Abraham offered the three MEN a delicious lunch,in fact a banquet,and stood by them under the tree,and they did eat.
- And they asked unto Abraham:Where is Sarah thy wife?I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life;and,lo,Sarah thy wife shall have a son
- The Lord also said:Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do? they rose up from thence and looked toward Sodom:Abraham asked: Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
I never said nor believed you complained to administration, others read your comments and can react to those comments.
We are ALL the BODY of Christ, by the resurrection of Christ, ALL have become ONE, even our prodigal sons, even though they have not AS YET come to that truth, they will be DRAWN back to CHRIST.
God speaks of things that ARE NOT, as if they ALREADY ARE.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I WILL draw ALL MEN unto me.
Genesis 18:14 ... at the TIME APPOINTED, I will return to thee, according to the TIME of LIFE ....
John 14:6 I am the way, the truth and the LIFE.
God Bless YOU
I believe we have a all knowing God who can't be surprised who stands on the outside of time looking in!
Anything you are going to do next week or next year, in God's view you did it yesterday!
How can we know his judgments?
We know that he's just and we're all guilty.
He's righteous, Merciful, longsuffering and he's just, beyond what we can comprehend.
With that being said our minds don't measure up when trying to understand his Judgments.
So if we use his attributes along with what is consistent throughout ALL scripture as a principle to guide us we should come to conclusion hearing and receiving the word of God or refusing to hear and rejecting the word of God plays the primary role in God's Judgment.
So there must be an age of maturity enough for one to understand they need an savior because little two year old Billie is a sinner and he don't know it.
An accountability is likely when one matures and have understanding of some sort of consequences for sin, Some acknowledgement of the need for a savior.
And I believe God judges them according to what they receives.
Here's a few scriptures according to those basics.
Luke 10:13-14
Matthew 10:14-15.
Luke 12:47-48.
God shall judge righteous.
You see a picture of how he uses discretion in judgment in
Genesis 18:23-32.
Genesis 18:35 should be considered along with God's sovereign and foreknowledge and circumstances.
I believe there's a lot more going on in this dark world than what is on the surface and these things should be taken into consideration when questioning God's decision to destroy nations.
We could never fully understand God's methods of Judging but we can take what we do have in scripture and say one would have to be able to comprehend more than what a child is capable of to receive judgment without mercy.
Example.
DEUTERONOMY 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day HAD NO KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL..
GB.
Lot's wife never demonstrated saving faith from what scripture would indicate; at the very least desiring more to turn back to see the fate of the city doomed for destruction rather than to escape. "Righteous Lot" ( 2 Peter 2:7-8) was vexed every day; and clearly quite compromised in his dealings when he offered his daughters to the men who were trying to break down his door to commit abominations. No mention of his wife is in the scriptures; as was with Sarah; for instance in Hebrews 11.
Today in church it was discussed how Abraham was said to be the only one who was a "friend" of God ( James 2:23). Exodus 33:11 states the same of Moses as well so technically my Pastor erred. My point here I may expound on later; namely the fact that God truly spoke in a different manner to them than many others in the Bible. The friendship; in other words went both ways. The discussion also came up today in Sunday school on how He is both Master and friend. This is a mystery in itself; and forces us beyond stereotypical cultural viewpoints toward such a relationship. As for now; I will just state that Lot had to be "shoved" out of his town literally; and the angels had to put up with his ridiculous bantering about going to the nearby little town; which was promptly abandoned once Lot saw what happened and hid in the mountains. Abraham and Moses both had slow starts and their own issues; but were able to have close fellowship with the Lord as we see from Genesis 18:17 with Abraham and Exodus 32:30 where Moses acted to intercede to prevent God from destroying all of Israel. That scene is another discussion as to its theological implications.
We all should strive to be as the saints in the "hall of fame" in Hebrews 11; not stubborn like Jonah as an ox. Nonetheless these all are true believers. We CANNOT claim God's promises with an imaginary Christ or on other terms than scripture dictates and expect it to be true.
Genesis 27:8-10
"And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."
Genesis 18:7-8
These are just two examples. If you think God didn't intend for us to do this, then were Abraham and Rachel doing something wrong?!
James 4, not GOD's perfect plan, timing = look at Abraham he was promised a son, even past natural ability Genesis 12:4,6,7, Abram 75 yrs old, Genesis 17:1-8, Abraham also called Abram 90 yrs old, Sarah Genesis 18:10,11, Genesis 21:1-3, was the delay for example of faith Hebrews 11, was it for the linage of Salvation timing? Matthew 1:17, ?
1John 3:22, John 16:23, Psalms 37, Luke 11, Matthew 6, Matthew 7, Matthew 7:7, Matthew 21:22, Luke 18,
I fasted, prayed, begged, cried out & received what I asked many times & several of those caused me years of deep pain, regret, sadness etc. Trust GOD ALMIGHTY sometimes it's protection, not seeing & knowing everything & everyone attached to the things we ask. Luke 8:10-18,
Luke 8:15, Revelation 3:10,
Hopefully these are helpful
In Genesis 7, 'and the LORD' is "Yhvh" & Genesis 6,
You can click each scripture to read the translation words & click that into deeper study of words, for each name of GOD.
1John 4, 1John 4:16 ... 'GOD is love' ... Is translated from the Greek, "theos esti agape"
Yes, I believe in both situations it was a loving GOD that protected & stopped the wickedness, cruelty, etc.notice, Genesis 6:5, Genesis 18, Genesis 18:20,21,25,32, Genesis 19:4,9,
Revelation 18:5, Exodus 22:22-27, Proverbs 21:13, Job 24:38,
Matthew 25:31-46,
Hopefully these are helpful
a. If I understand well you believe in a rapture in the midst of those last 7 years or sometime before the 2nd coming of Jesus on earth?
b. The Revelation is not written in chronological order. God's wrath will not occur only at the end but also during those 7 years. Rev 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven ANGELS seven golden vials FULL OF THE WRATH OF GOD who liveth for ever and ever." It is God's punishment of the sinful world. This is what causes the great tribulation. They are not due to physical causes. If the great tribulation is not due to God's punishment, what is it then? Which are causes of that tribulation and which events are a result of that tribulation? What do you actually mean with great tribulation?
c. The tribulations in one's life that Paul talks about are persecutions due their faith and for their spiritual training. They are a completely different thing from that great tribulation.
d. Lets read carefully the discussion Abraham had with the Lord just before the distruction of Sodom and Gommorah, it shows how God thinks and how God acts in similar cases.
Genesis 18:23-33
"And Abraham drew near, and said, WILT THOU DESTROY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED?
Peradventure there be FIFTY righteous within the city: WILT THOU DESTROY AND NOT SPARE THE PLACE FOR THE FIFTY RIGHTEOUS THAT ARE THEREIN?
THAT BE FAR FROM THEE TO DO AFTER THIS MANNER, TO SLAY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED: AND THAT THE RIGHTEOUS SHOULB BE AS THE WICKED, THAT BE FAR FROM THEE: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?
And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I WILL SPARE ALL THE PLACE FOR THEIR SAKES.
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And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure TEN shall be found there. And he said, I WILL NOT DESTROY IT FOR TEN'S SAKE."
So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion.
[Don't Underestimate the Power of a Sinful Environment to Sear the Conscience]
In our modern culture, we are quick to judge these two young women and assure ourselves we would never resort to such desperate actions. We would be wise to learn from their experience.
Lot's daughters had grown up in a city where sexual immorality was commonly accepted. They were engaged to young men who scoffed at God's warning. God told Abraham, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave" ( Genesis 18:20). Apparently, there were not even ten righteous people in the city. Being surrounded by such influences had obviously seared the consciences of these two women; their idea to have sexual relations with their father seemed a logical and acceptable solution.
Left to ourselves, the human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9). Without the restraining and redeeming influence of God's Word and His Holy Spirit, we can't imagine the depths of sin to which we might go. Lot had failed to teach his daughters the truth about who God is; they were simply acting in accordance with the lifestyle and knowledge they had been given.
Titus 1:14 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Deuteronomy 30
[TEACH your children Bible morals]
[Don't Underestimate the Power of a Sinful Environment to Sear the Conscience]
In our modern culture, we are quick to judge these two young women and assure ourselves we would never resort to such desperate actions. We would be wise to learn from their experience.
Lot's daughters had grown up in a city where sexual immorality was commonly accepted. They were engaged to young men who scoffed at God's warning. God told Abraham, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave" ( Genesis 18:20). Apparently, there were not even ten righteous people in the city.
Being surrounded by such influences had obviously seared the consciences of these two women; their idea to have sexual relations with their father seemed a logical and acceptable solution.
Left to ourselves, the human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9) Without the restraining and redeeming influence of God's Word and His Holy Spirit, we can't imagine the depths of sin to which we might go. Lot had failed to teach his daughters the truth about who God was; they were simply acting in accordance with the lifestyle and knowledge they had been given.
Titus 1:14 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Deuteronomy 28
It is the fathers solemn responsibility to teach Gods Word to the children. All ages. The Bible is wisdom from above. Read it.
Streetpreacher
Everything is God's Will, period. It's God's will to give man freewill. God is big and powerful enough to do this, even if people can't understand it and still want to deny it. God also is big and powerful enough to change His mind and let things play out, as the Bible says in Exodus 32:14, Genesis 18:32, and over a dozen other examples.
Maybe you believe you are a puppet or marionette 100% controlled by God. Did God force you to write this post beyond your will? Does God force you to eat at certain foods you dislike or do things you don't want to do throughout the day? Does he force you to take showers or use restrooms at random times when you don't want to? Are you a prisoner? If so, does this also mean you are perfect just like Jesus and don't sin? Have you ever lied to someone in your lifetime? If so, was that God forcing you to sin or was it 100% you? God doesn't cause anyone to sin ever.
None of the above applies to me as God blessed me with 100% freewill and I try very hard to use that for good and to serve the Lord. But like Paul who faced huge temptation and struggled, I wrestle with these daily choices and decisions and sometimes I make mistakes but repent and try hard to get back on track. Paul said to run the race, not to ignore the race and sit on the couch. Christianity is an active faith, not passive. Nearly every challenge in the Bible is for us to take action and make choices. Many are warnings about choosing good instead of evil.
Freewill that God gives man:
Psalms 119:108
Joshua 24:15
Philippians 1:22
Joshua 24:14-15
Matthew 25:25-30 - Jesus's parable of talents God condemned the lazy servant who choose poorly through fear. The Bible is filled with challenges of choosing to follow God instead of choosing to follow the world.
I find it unusual that you don't believe you have any freewill to make any decisions and are merely a puppet? Is that true? Have you prayed about this? God bless.
The subject in these verses is The Word. The Word always existed because God always existed. The Word therefore was an intrinsic part of God, therefore the Word was God (not 'a' God, but the spoken declared Word existing & emanating from God): verse 1.
A further description of the Word from within God in verse 2. Everything was made according to this Word and in verse 3, this Word from God was capable of giving Life & Light to mankind. The Word that proceeds out of man is limited to only conveying our thoughts & feelings to someone else. Our limitation is because of our humanity. God is not human, so His Word (and His Spirit) have no limitations like we have - God can use His Word as He Wills & form His Word as He Chooses.
Then to verse 14 which refers back to this Word of God. God in His Wisdom & Plan, chose to take His Word and give it flesh (i.e. to clothe His Word in humanity). This is where it becomes difficult to comprehend: how can something immaterial like a Word be made into a human? Maybe in the same way that God can take a Seed & place it in a woman to bring forth a human baby ( Matthew 1:18-21), or God appearing to Abraham in another form with two others ( Genesis 18:1,2). All things are possible with God & our lack of understanding of His Power & His Ways shouldn't stop us from believing & accepting His Wonders.
So, as John 1:14 declares, that Word of God was made human, seen & touched by others, the begotten of God, named Jesus, the Son of God. Jesus is still the Word of God, made flesh for His Ministry & Sacrifice on Earth, but now risen into Heaven, seated at His Father's right Hand ( Hebrews 10:11,12). The Word that came out of God's Being, made flesh, & now risen as the glorified Man Christ Jesus, fully Divine, interceding for us ( 1 Timothy 2:5).
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Being you're still alive, it's not final judgement: Matthew 4:17, Acts 17:30, 2Peter 3:9, in context read whole chapter. Psalms 48:14, Proverbs 10:12, Proverbs 13:14, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:32,
it could be warning from GOD: Psalms 118:18,
or attack not from GOD,: Ephesians 6:12,
Psalms 90,
Jeremiah 18:8,
Psalms 37,
You are angry because of injustice it seems: Exodus 21, Exodus 22, Leviticus 20, Numbers 35, Proverbs 8:36, Genesis 18:19, Proverbs 21:3,
Psalms 73, Jeremiah 27:7-18, Isaiah 58, Isaiah 59, Matthew 25:31-46, James 2,
Ephesians 6:10-18, Ephesian 4:26, Psalms 82:3, Ecclesiastes 5:8,
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"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" ( Genesis 18:25)? This is a great comfort to those of us with loved ones who have passed into eternity and we are not sure of the destination of their souls. God is a sovereign Judge of righteousness, full of grace and mercy to all who call upon Him. It is His very justice that offers a "way" for all to escape the judgment of His righteousness, and it is in that justice that we must rest. It is grace that saves us, and it is grace in which we must stand when we go through the double grief of the death of an unsaved loved one. We must remember that we cannot make this choice for anyone else, and if they went into eternity without Christ, that was their choice in spite of the offer of grace.
Although we may have pain in the remembrance of that loved one while we are in this life and go through the grief process, there will come a time when each born-again believer will be with the Lord. In that day "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" ( Revelation 21:4). We cannot comprehend how that will be because we live in time and are constrained by our finite minds. However, just the thought of that is enough to bring comfort and encouragement. When we see the Lord, all of the sorrow we have now will disappear. "You now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you" ( John 16:22). In the meantime, we can lean on the everlasting arms of God, who feels our pain and comforts us with His great love and mercy.
Mishael: again, trust Gods judgment. Ask Jesus to help carry this pain for you. Come back here for fellowship. You see how much we do care and respond.
Samuel wept for Saul. Samuel being the Judge of Israel: 1Samuel 7:15, Samuel came on the scene because Eli & his sons were dishonoring GOD & GOD's laws. As set forth in the Books of Deuteronomy, & Leviticus, given to Moses, recorded in Exodus 24 - 30, full chapters & Numbers. 1Samuel 1, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:11-18, they were the Priests yet they did their own will. (also fitting for your question) 1Samuel 2:27-36, 1Samuel 2:26, 1Samuel 3, = 1Samuel 4, please note also in Exodus 32, these were actions out of GOD's will, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 19, Yet when Abraham prayed GOD would have spared them all if there were 10 righteous at Abraham's request Genesis 18:16-33,
also comes to mind, GOD allows people to intercede on behalf of others even sinful, the ultimate example is Jesus, even now on our behalf
2Peter 3:9, Luke 17:25-30, 2Chronicles 16:9, Romans 8:34,
With all of these. Why do you ask?
Genesis 1:28, John 16:23, John 14:13,
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Genesis 9:22, honestly ask yourself would you go tell others? Or cover? Who showed their father honor? Genesis 9:23
Noah, "knew what his younger son had done to him." Genesis 9:24, it wasn't that he just saw.
There's additional information, to help readers understand, Genesis 9:18, Genesis 9:22, Genesis 9:25, Genesis 10:15, note Canaan, 1st recorded rape of a girl Genesis 33:18, Genesis 34:1-2, & Sodom & Gomorrah, Genesis 10:19, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 18:20, Genesis 18, Gen. 19,
Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:49, Jude 1:7, it appears to point to a root of evil started with that person.
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God bless you.
In some ways; it is ironic that in a whole city of men almost all of them were disposed to unnatural relations with men; and the two son in laws of Lot's daughters thought the warnings were a joke that the angels gave them. This caused the daughters to sleep with their father thinking there was no one around to provide children after being surrounded by men previously. They went from great wealth to escaping by the skin of their teeth; whereas Abraham spent time in a desert yet God's promise never failed. Lot's wife as I mentioned in another commentary turned into a "pillar of salt" loving the wealth of this world more than God. She ignored the warning not to look back; and we must heed that call today as well.
Genesis 9:18, Genesis 9:21-22, he didn't cover his father, yet went & told his brothers, notice they were all adults with wives, (not children) Genesis 7:7, I've heard some Pastors explain it was perversion. Also disrespectful, dishonoring his father & taking advantage of a bad situation. His brothers showed honor & respect: Genesis 9:23, Please read: Genesis 6:8-13, Notice Noah was Just & found favor with GOD, in a corrupt violent time. Doesn't say & his children were also "perfect or Just" Genesis 6:22, Genesis 7:1, Genesis 10, the lineage of Noah, Shem, Ham, & Japheth. Notice also in the curse he cursed "canaan" please see Genesis 10:18-19, they were the people of Sodom & Gomorrah. Was this perversion carried down? Even from before flood? Genesis 8:21,
Genesis 13:13, Genesis 18:16-, Genesis 19, Zephaniah 2:9, 2 Peter 2:5-9, Isaiah 3:9,
Please rely on the WORD of GOD, if you study & read it thoroughly, you'll be surprised what it clarifies.
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Genesis 9:22-27, Genesis 13:13, Genesis 18:20,21,22, Genesis 19, Revelations 11:8,
2 Peter 2:1-15, Jude 1:7-25, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Romans 1:18-32,
Galatians 5:16,
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Genesis 18 is about two things. The promised seed to
Abraham through Sarah and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah where Lot had moved to.
In Genesis 13:14-17 God promises to Abraham and his seed the land of Canaan. Abraham and Sarah did not have any children and Sarah was past the age of having children. But with God nothing is impossible. In Genesis 21 Sarah has a son as God said through the angel. As far as the promise of the land to Abraham that is still to happen. Consider Hebrews 11:8-12 and then 39-40. This promise has not been fulfilled yet. This will not happen until Jesus returns to this earth and sets up his kingdom. Consider the Lords prayer. "Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as in heaven.