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Good question, I have exactly the same question

In Genesis chapter 9, why was Canaan cursed for what Ham, his father did against Noah?

David, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The angel of the Lord of the old testament is the same as Jehovah of the old testament and is the same that came in the flesh that we know as Jesus Christ and is now back in the glorified body he has had since he was begotten of the Father. The angel of the Lord is a man in a glorified body, Jehovah is a man in a glorified body. Jehovah set aside his glorified body and took upon himself a body like sinful flesh and was manifest as the man Jesus Christ who died for us to reconcile his brothers and sisters to the Father. Then at his resurrection took back the glorified body he laid down for us. Let's look at some of the scriptures that shed light on this. All angels have glorified bodies like their archangel the angel of the Lord.

Exodus 3:2 The angel of the Lord appeared to him (Moses) in a flame of fire......

Exodus 3:14 And God (Jehovah) said unto Moses (as the angel of the Lord out of the burning bush)I AM that I AM.....

John 8:58 .... before Abraham was, I AM.

Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared unto him (Abraham).....

Genesis 18:2 And he (Abraham) lift up his eyes and looked, and lo, THREE MEN stood by him...

Genesis 18:22 And the (two) men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord (Jehovah, the third man).

Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man.....

Hosea 12:4 Yet he (Jacob) had power over the angel......

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entered angels unawares.

Psalm 103:20 Bless ye the Lord, ye HIS ANGELS....

Meditate upon the implications this last verse implies.

There are many more scriptures that parallel the angel, Jehovah and Jesus Christ, but not enough space in 2000 words to write them all.

Ask for the Spirits wisdom and understanding and YE SHALL RECEIVE.

could not find ten people walking upright.

(Part2)Anyway, I'm fearful, and I haven't as much hope as I should! I am upset about YOUR suffering, and the suffering of so many others like you, and those like me and those with worse than you or me! BUT, YOUR prayer request has caused me to gain fervor and hope and tenancity that was absent prior to trying to encourage you and hoping that my prayers for you (and others) WILL be blessed by GOD. I have agreed with you in prayer--but I am a sinful person whose prayers are not always answered by GOD for that reason (or for others, perhaps). I don't know if GOD will hear our prayer--but I KNOW that the LORD Jesus Christ said this: "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." But GOD only does HIS will--but He has changed He changes situations in His mercy! He heard Abraham's prayer for Sodom and Gomorrah and was WILLING to do as Abe requested ( Genesis 18:1-33) ( James 5:13-18)! He changed His judgement AGAINST a king JUST BECAUSE the king humbled himself ( I Kings 21:1-29)! And prayer 100% changes things NOW! I can testify to MULTIPLE instances of that in my life and 100% confirmed in elders I knew! Ask GOD that a righteous man or woman or child will agree with you in prayer as well! GOD may, then, do that, and THEN you'll have even BETTER prayer help. But AGAIN-Jesus-whom GOD was WELL pleased with TAUGHT us to ONLY ask for GOD's will though to be done. Which is frustrating 4 me. Either way, He MAY bless you with better than that which you lost! I am NOT the best person to pray for you, but I'll try to become better, that my prayers be more successful MORE OFTEN! He hears HUMBLED men's prayers though--I KNOW--I'd just sinned once and GOD showed me 3 GR8 miracles as I'd asked Him-I wanted proof of His love & He showed me the 3M IRACLES I'd asked 4!

I just wanted to come in I also thought it was funny at first that Abraham was bargaining in such a way with the Lord, then I realized that Abraham and his family had a covenant with Jesus that even Jesus couldn't destroy, so who better to bargain for his family members in the sin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I just read this story again and I could really laugh with Sarah. She had such a sense of humor! Surely the Lord was not referring to her in her old age and yet God brought it to past. Sometimes God speaks to us and tell us things that with our finite minds we can not grasp. wrap our heads around it, or simple because it seems too far-fetched we dare to believe and lose our reward. Thank GOD, He did not let Sarah's laughing deter His overall plan of making Abraham, who he is, the father of many nations.

This is one of my favorite chapters in the bible. Firstly we see the Son of God before He was called Jesus visiting Abraham again in person accompanied by two angels. We see His sense of humor when He calls out Sarah for laughing in the tent. She thought it was so funny that she was going "to have pleasure" with old Abraham. Well past her menstrual time as well so a real miracle indeed to have a baby named Isaac "laughter". Then we see Abraham actually bargaining with God. He must have really been Gods friend to say things like "shall not the judge of all the earth do right"...thats gutsy and you only talk like that to a real friend especially if they are God.I'm so encouraged by the fact that we can talk to God as a friend, also that He has a real connection to us through His son, firstly as creator and old testament visitor, then via Mary, a fellow human and saviour of the world.

I was telling someone about this story of Abraham recently, it appears to me the lord an the two angels spent some time with Abraham

Hi Carlos, I agree. God allows himself to change his mind, like Genesis 18:32, Jonah 3:10, Amos 7:3. It's a little confusing to reconcile this with 1 Samuel 15:29.

That is right: MANY NATIONS. Abraham had Isaac ... and Ishmael. Israel is one nation and>

Genesis 17: 18-21

Ishmael was born in Gods permissive will.

God blessed him

Will make him fruitful

Will multiply him exceedingly:

Twelve princes shall he beget

I will make him a great nation

That explains a lot I think, but read also Genesis 18: 18-19 There is a note to read: Gen 12:3, 22:28, psalm 72:17, Acts 3:25, Gal. 3:8-9, 16, 18

Isaac gets Israel (all the land of Canaan). I'd have to look at maps later.

There is great resentment in Israel right now. Palestinians want the land back pure & simple. They want everything that was Destroyed to be rebuilt, infrastructure and full access to Jerusalem. They want everything that the war of 1967 gained!!! It's mind boggling. Israel gets to be a state but loses what they fought for independence to regain.

This is the engine that is hurrying the earth to conclusion. It's partly why we are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. God is NOT going to rescind the covenant with Abraham.

One point about the Antichrist is found in Daniel 11:37....neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard ANY god: for he shall magnify himself. [a note refers to Isaiah 14:13 here]

Bottom line is that Antichrist is most likely descended from Ishmael. But he has no regard for his heritage.

He's moving under the radar but if enough people read Jerusalem Post dot com ?? We may see him in a crowd with a smirk.

The prophesies are about the Covenant; the land God has given to Israel through Isaac.

There are many people's that are returning that believe Jesus is the Messiah; they're happy about it; most likely have churches; evangelize...

How can you despise that? Israel is the apple of Gods eye. He rejects orthodox Torah carrying boneheads that will not receive His son. He is turning up the pressure every day. God has a plan! Quit railing and you will see.

It was the lord (god) himself who was speaking to abraham and 2 of his angels .

70 x 7=490 she put 7 x7 it's 7 x 70

Ayup my name jay and I like to read the bible

And one asked this question once. How often should I forgive my brother til 7 times? And the Lord said to him, I say not 7 times but 7 times 7 times.

I think I met an angel once. I was going to work, something told me to pick up a hitchhiker and he told me to let him off at the next exit which was only around 1/4 mile and that was where I was going to get off anyway but I had it in my heart to carry him where he wanted to go. When he got out I gave him my paper bag lunch. He said God Bless you and that's the last I saw of him.

Can a person forgive the same person to much on the same problem?

I used to think that if they lived to be 900 then if proportional to our current growth/age cycle then the average person would reach puberty around 144 years and look like a typical teenager at that age. However, this is not the case, because women gave birth young then too, adult men worked through 20s, 30s, and even Sara laughed at the thought of her giving birth, because she thought it was a joke. So, I think she was likely in menopause by then, but perhaps the age rate slowed from 100-900 years? There's no indication I'm aware of that 700 year olds were physically active, running, fighting, etc.

it's not as ''''amazing as you think''' in the sense that after living 900 yrs and the LORD reducing the yrs down to 120... you're thinking in the context of todays '''90'''' years old.

Jerry, did you read Hebrews 13:2 ? Because I wrote angels 'can be disguised as people' as Hebrews 13:2 clearly says, but you then respond by saying "I don't think I ever read a place where it says they were disguised as men". But Hebrews 13:2 literally says angels can be disguised as people, do you agree? So, given that why do automatically you rule that out as a possibility in Genesis 18:2?

From reading the Bible I believe that angels are not people, but they can be disguised as people Hebrews 13:2. Likewise, Jesus appeared as a man, but that doesn't mean he wasn't God. Genesis 18:2 actually doesn't say they're angels either, but in Gen 19. Could be written from the perspective of them being 'men' to show that no one know they were angels.

The three men are God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

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And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: And one of the three, I think was Jesus. He was the one that answered all of Abrahams questions. The other two were angels, because only two angels entered into Sodom.

Verses 4,5~Hospitality was a very important custom in ancient Israel. Hospitality should be important to us today.

vs 19 - God's foreknowledge of Abraham's dependence upon God for good works is shown here. Abraham, will by faith, act upon the promises and truth God has given him.

This chapter highlights Jehovah God's patience in dealing with Abraham. He allowed him to question him multiple times and he gave him an answer each time.

Dear Jonathan; Why do you not spell out the word God? He is not offended or challenged by our unworthiness; but He rather loves us and seeks to save us! ( John 3:16-17) There is a prophecy in Amos about the disobedient Jews at one point being no longer allowed to mention the LORD's Name; but it is not for us who believe and love the Name of our God and Saviour! What are your thoughts? Please write!

It is amazing Sara giving birth in her nineties However With G_D nothing is too hard

To Marty's comment 2/2016; How does one open the Bible, and not be afraid to think and say what you said? The episode with Noah is glaringly apparent; Ham had no compunctions about looking on his father's nakedness, and no respect or fear to talk about it out loud! He was a filthy rebel in his heart, and it manifested in his descendants after him! Japheth and Shem loved and honored their father!

Dear Ron; I'm so sorry to read about your sickness. I will pray for you to be healed also, and for the Lord to help you with all the strength and comfort you need. There are things I think are too hard for us in this life, and we just want to be strong and feel like we were before. It may be unbelief; it may be that we have to search our hearts and give account to God; it may be we have to wait?