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Brother Adam, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You are going to say that God gives us FREE WILL and it's up to us to ACCEPT this FREE gift of salvation and the ones that don't accept it will go to HELL.

This ALSO contradicts GOD'S word:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us into the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL (no free will; but God's will).

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times (ages) he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST (no free will in that scripture)...

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh (no free will) IN YOU both to WILL and DO of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

Philippians 2:10 At the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaves, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Philippians 2:11 And that ever tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I know the Christians arguments with God's WORD; for years I argued the same way.

Yeah,I just looked at the text and there are mistakes. DON'T LOOSE HOPE.

Brother Earl,

I really don't want to go back and fourth about this with you as I know you have your own beliefs.

The one thing that is making me post is this in your comment "therefore the ones that believe this are calling God a LIAR." With all humility and humbleness I beg you please do not write things like this. This is FALSE! I also believe in a "Heaven" and a "hell"(weather gehenna, hades, outer darkness, or the lake of fire).

A place for the wicked that Jesus Christ preached about many times. Telling us to "fear God who can destroy both body and SOUL in gehenna." Matthew 10:28. Also stating in Matthew 25:46 "everlasting (punishment)" The same Greek word used for "eternal (life)".

Also I will bring up what I've read in 1 Enoch. How all shall come before "the Son of Man(Christ)" on His throne and worship Him and beg for His mercy. Though they will nor receive it. Just because all shall worship the Lord one day does not mean all shall be saved. That is up to God alone who shall be saved and receive mercy. God's ways, thoughts, ability, wisdom, is so far beyond us we cannot comprehend.

We are to fear God as is taught in the Old and New Testaments. This is the beginning of wisdom, to depart from evil/sin, serve Him with a pure heart and fervently love Him.

Please my brother. Do not say we who believe in "hell" are calling God a liar as that breaks my heart. I would never say that to any other brother or sister in Christ. Just as you have Scriptures to uphold your "belief" or "interpretation" so we also have Scriptures that plainly say "hell" is a place we don't want to go.

I will end with the most important thing as there will always be different views. May we all focus on the ways of Jesus Christ our Lord following Him to do the Will of our Father in Heaven. With a pure heart producing good fruit in the Spirit loving one another. Putting all our faith and trust in the Lord.

I won't fill the page with verses. This was from the heart.

God Bless.

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with His wisdom and HIS understanding.

The first verse in Revelation says that the words are SIGNIFIED (they represent something out than what a dictionary defines them).

Christians don't have a problem BELIEVING that the Lamb of God is not a literal lamb, but represents Christ.

Eyes are a flame of fire

Mouth with two edged sword

Candlesticks

The beast

The living creatures

The elders

Scorpions

Frogs

There are hundreds of words in Revelation that are REPRESENTATIVE of something ELSE. Christians by the thousands are willing to BELIEVE these are symbols; YET when you come to THE LAKE OF FIRE, Christians by the thousands SCREAM IT IS LITERAL.

If it is LITERAL then it contradicts hundreds of out scriptures, but if it too is representative of something ELSE; then it does not contradict these other scriptures.

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

John 6:38 For I (the word, Christ) am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him (Father) who SENT (the word) me (Christ).

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father has SENT the SON (HIS WORD) to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Most Christians DON'T BELIEVE GOD'S WORD.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my (Father's) word (CHRIST) be that goeth forth out of my (Father's) mouth: it (word, CHRIST) shall not return unto me void, but it (word, CHRIST) shall accomplish that which I please, and it (word, CHRIST) shall prosper in the THING (to be saviour of the world) whereto I SENT IT (word, CHRIST).

A literal lake of fire and brimstone that last for ETERNITY make the words above a LIE.

Well understandable and easy to follow

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Most Christians believe that at the judgement of the world the wicked will be cast into LITERAL FIRE for all ETERNITY.

If this is true then it make those scriptures that say ALL will OBEY and WORSHIP GOD a LIE; therefore the ones that believe this are calling God a LIAR.

Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 15:4 ....for ALL NATIONS shall come and WORSHIP before THEE ....

Revelation 3:9 ...I WILL MAKE THEM to come and WORSHIP before thy feet.....

Psalms 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN (repent) unto the LORD, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass .....shall ALL flesh come to WORSHIP before me..

You can't have an ETERNAL LITERAL FIRE torturing God's creation and a SAVIOUR of man exist together: be careful which one you chose.

Most believe hell wins: FEW find the way!

Hebrews 12:23

to the general assembly and church of the firstborn which are written in heaven

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I BELIEVE, Christ is the BOOK OF LIFE just as he is the tree of life, the lamb of God, etc. If you are IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN YOU, then at that point you are in the Book of Life and being made ONE IN CHRIST you become a book of life, ALSO.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of GOD.

If you take a SEED and plant it; the part that emerges looks nothing like the SEED that was planted.

But at MATURITY when it is HARVESTED and put in the grain bin; it is EXACTLY like the SEED that was planted. We have the SEED; Christ himself, the WORD planted in us. Now we look nothing like the SEED; but at HARVEST (death of this body) we will be put in the grain bin (Christ body, immortality) and we will be like him; we become SEED to be planted, ALSO.

Matthew 12:37 For by my WORDS (CHRIST) thou shall be justified, and by my WORDS (CHRIST) thou shall be condemned.

If you are IN CHRIST and CHRIST IN YOU; you are being judged NOW.

John 12:48 .... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him ...

1 Corinthians 11:31 If we would judge ourselves (by the word), we should not be judged.

1 Corinthians 11:31 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that judgement must begin at the house of God ...

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we...

Hello Earl,

I'm interested in your comment "A literal hell makes these words a lie."

Most Christians believe in a literal hell and don't believe the Bible contradicts itself nor is a lie, so can you please explain how you came to this conclusion?

Do soul's in heaven observe our famiky

activities on earth

What does that interpret? Did Moses actually saw god, the whole face?

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US (plural) make man in OUR (not my) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as WE are one:

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

(31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his name JESUS.

(32) He shall be great, and shall be called the SON of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father (not Joseph) honour. (27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.

Brother Earl - I think you hit the nail on the head.

Eternity is defined as that state to which time has no application; timelessness. Like the singularity produced by a black hole or a mathematical equation that has no end, we will exist in a state which is nether static nor cyclical.

The judgement is the fire which will consume all that is not divine, since nothing but the divine can merge into the consuming fire that is our Lord and King.

After the final judgement, all creation has been replaced with the new heaven and the new earth, in which sits the new Jerusalem, where we will abide for eternity with our Lord.

But, doing what, exactly?

We Christians are not specifically taught about this state, which is my complaint. The devil has been thrown into eternal fire with his minions and those that embraced him. The saints have all be transfigured. Death has been conquered. What is left? What is left to accomplish?

Your reply makes the answer abundantly clear..... TO LOVE. To love God and worship Him, to love one another, to love whatever the new heaven and new earth has in it. For eternity. Forever.

Thank you for considered reply. God bless you and yours.

The important thing is the devils were gone. The man was set FREE that is what has to happen if we are to serve Jesus. When the devils are gone we can be at peace, sit down and will put on clothes.

Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

And one more: at the fifth paragraph, it should read, "that the regular army of 288 thousand (twelve divisions of 24 thousand each)".

Apologies. In my fourth paragraph, the number at "Judah in 2 Samuel is numbered 500", should read 500 thousand. My original figure was modified by the gremlin.

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Hi John. Just on the matter in 2 Samuel & 1 Chronicles.

Even though the numbers differ greatly, there should be no reason to assume error or textual corruption. Joab undertook the work unwillingly & therefore performed it imperfectly. According to 1Chronicles 21:6, he refused altogether to number the tribes Levi and Benjamin; & according to 1 Chronicles 27:24 "he finished not," and no official record was made of the result: "neither was the number put in the account of the chronicles of king David."

I think that the numbers were, in part, mere estimates. Here (2 Samuel), Israel is said to be 8 hundred thousand, in 1 Chronicles, 1.1 million; but the latter probably includes an estimate (i.e. not an included number) of the omitted tribes of Benjamin and Levi, and perhaps of portions of other tribes.

On the other hand, Judah in 2 Samuel is numbered 500,000 (a round number like all the rest), and in 1 Chronicles, 470,000. The difference is due perhaps to an estimate of the officiating priests and Levities accounted to Judah.

Another possibility, (from 1 Chronicles 27), is that the regular army of 288,000 (twelve divisions of 24,000 each) is included in Israel in one case and excluded in the other. And that in the same way in regard to Judah, "the thirty" may have had command of a special body of 30,000. Possibly in one case, the descendants of the old Canaanites were reckoned (since it appears from 2 Chronicles 2:17, that David "had numbered them"), and in the other, they were excluded. There is no reason to doubt the general reliability of the numbers since we're not given all the considerations/calculations used in numbering them. In any case, it appears that a probable total population of five or six million is in order.

( Daniel 8) is a multidimensional prophetic chapter detailing the enduring spirit of anti-christ. One of Alexander the Great's Generals, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, in 167 BC, attacked Judah, desecrated the Temple and set up the abomination that makes desolate. This attack will happen again, updated in our time, in America, when the real Christian country (Orthodox) removes the false Christian country (M.Babylon) in a flash. God holds the right hand of Russia (Vladimir Putin); his weapons of indignation will baptize the transgressors with fire. It is knocking, but most won't know where it's coming from.

( Jeremiah 50:43)

Even Jesus asked why? I'm learning to bite my tongue and wait for the world to go back to a state of equilibrium. I tell myself don't ask why.

If I have patience God will guide me.

Hi Sheila. It would be difficult to share on verse 4 only, without looking at the whole Psalm. So, I shall give some thoughts for you. The author of Psalm 100 is unknown, but it is a call for ALL to worship the LORD. The Psalmist is so full of praise & thanksgiving, that he longs for all the inhabitants of the Earth to worship the LORD (v1).

He then adds in verse 3, to know that the LORD is (the One) God. Psalm 96:5: "For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens." That there can only be one True God for He is the One Who has created us, we are accounted as His very own - as a Shepherd Who owns, guards & nourishes His flock - He loves all His creation, even those who reject or deny Him - He gives blessing to each one ( Matthew 5:45: "(God) maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."). And a further reminder, that He created mankind & we are not "self-created" or from our vain imaginations, but that God is not only our Creator but our Sustainer & Provider.

With that Truth in our hearts, why shouldn't all people respond with "thanksgiving, praise & blessing" to His Name (v 4), & especially to those to Whom He has revealed Himself (Israel) & to those of us, by virtue of His Son's Death & Resurrection & Gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Israel should have entered the Temple gates & courtyard with such joy & confidence in their Creator but sin hid God's Face from them ( Isaiah 59:2). Likewise, harbouring sin in our lives, will keep us from joy & confidence in the Lord & our praise might be only empty words habitually spoken. But when we come into the Holy Place (the place of His Presence, of joy & rest), we can be confident because of "having clean hands, and a pure heart" ( Psalm 24:4) & that because of Jesus' shed Blood for us ( Hebrews 10:19-22). We can praise Him from our hearts through words, music, testimony & witness ( Hebrews 13:15).

(You can add to the above, as you're led).

Hi John,

Just to reply to your question about Luke 3:23 & Matthew 1:16. The other verses in the OT I have no knowledge of.

As I have found this issue also and done some research and was lead to the answer. The generations from Babylon to Christ are to be fourteen as in Matthew 1:17. The way it is written is only thirteen if "Joseph", in Matthew 1:16, is Mary's "husband". First off we know something is up as the father of Joseph, Mary's husband, in Luke 3:23 is Heli. As that is his genealogy. In Matthew 1:16 it says it is Jacob.

In Matthew 1:16 what should be written is Jacob begat Joseph the "father" of Mary.

I don't know how this mix up happened as said it is only thirteen generations from Babylon to Christ as it is written. Which is wrong to the next verse. Changing "husband" to "father" makes the generations fourteen and in line with the next verse. Also we know Joseph's(Mary's husband) father is Heli not Jacob as stated.

One man had copies of original texts of "father" not "husband" for Matthew 1:16. In another language of coarse.



Hope that helps.

God Bless.

Depicts the power of the Lord God and His judgements. May seem harsh, but we must trust in Him in all things. For we don't know as much as we think we do.

Our country is racked with the Pandemic. Our economy has fallen, many have no jobs. We have left our first love.

Our current leadership in Washington has practically abandoned Israel unto itself.

Prayer is our only hope and the soon coming of the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds.

I love this passage of God's Word. We can glean quite a bit of God's character and why He does different things. His omnipresence in always being there for us. His omniscience in knowing what we need. His love in our daily provision. Many, many more.

( Revelation 20:5) but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

( Revelation 20:12-13) The second harvest takes place after the thousand years.

Brother Carleton; You are CHOOSEN, one doesn't have to be deep or studied. As you said just a special LIGHT! People see light more than they hear words. Our prayers are with your son.

Hi Lucia Ciccarello

To comment on what you have written. Sins in the U.S. seems to be increasing daily and Putin is unpredictable and not a good guy. You may be correct; time will tell but there will be some things not known until it happens. There are horrible times coming and if we are still here, we need to be prepared, being strong in our faith in Jesus Christ and walk in the Spirit ready to face even death.



There are many teachings on the end times using Old Covenant prophets and layout in believable scenarios and some may be pretty close. If I can make a suggestion, not saying you are wrong, but you can hear the sincerity of your belief in your words. Something you may want to look in to if you have not studied it and have made your decision, it is concerning Daniel 11.

Check into the history of the Greek empire after they rose and after Alexander the Great died and it was divided into four sections and then two, the north and the south. Study that history along with Daniel 11 up to the taking control of Rome along the time frame given in Daniel 9 the 70 week prophecy. I know it is a lot. If you read the book of 1 Maccabees it may help, it is talking about part of what is in Daniel 11, the stopping of the daily sacrifices and the abomination of desolation and more. You can pull it up on this site. Click on more, then click 1611 King James Bible Apocrypha, then scroll down and click on 1 Maccabees.

Daniel 11 covers on into the coming of the Messiah/Jesus. If you have studied this and you have decided it is covering the end times, please forgive me.

RLW

hello i have to preach tomorrow how can i preach verse four

Luke 3:23 ( Matthew 1: 16) ( Could you please clarify what went wrong here? Also,see 2 Samuel 24:9 and 1 Chronicle 21:5 This is the text that I found most appealing. I have a few errors and issues, but all I want is for this to be cleared.