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Are you aware that there is a Nuremberg trial 2021 for this abomination? The CDC who in the Davos Group are on trial. Crimes against humanity Mathematical experimentation. These gene therapy are not vaccines they meet zero legal definition for a vaccine They also violate the Geneva Convention, the UN peace treaty an Nuremberg Codes All 10 Nuremberg codes. Do you know what happens to people who violate the Nuremberg Codes? Go look back at Nazi Germany
It's a pantomime- be patient. This is not about a four year election it's about bringing the whole satanic system Down we are at war I have faith God prevails. Fox be with you.
Dr Miller
DNM (Doctor of Natural Medicine)
But some do stop being Christians. You said you don't want to view the forum ex-Christian. There are thousands of people there who have denounced the faith- it shouldn't be such a surprise that this has happened, as there's been many long-time pastors in the past who very publically have done this. One was a worship leader in an Australian mega church, for an example. Then claiming that after decades of Christian service that they were never Christian is another self-contradictory belief. That means people who accepted Christ, follow Christ, pray, serve, give, produce fruit, worship God, and eveything else aren't Christians? If so, then how do you know 100% you're a Christian? What is the exact criteria you have for a Christian or can you never be for sure? Do you not have freewill?
My belief is simple, if you do what the Bible says you're a Christian immediately. You start the journey, but it doesn't mean you're without freewill to sin and turn away and even blaspheme. If it was impossible to commit blasphemy then why did Jesus warn everyone about it?
Sin is tempting and can be temporarily very enjoyable. We're supposed to resist it with every ounce of our being. I think the idea of not using any human effort at all to avoid sin is misguided. To assume that there's no consequence to salvation if a Christian turns away from Jesus I don't believe is Biblical. Out of space- God bless...
We christian ppl are guilty to cleanse ourselves, to stand clean before Him. Is it not so? God Bless in Jesus Christ name.
That day Jesus come too set everything in right place, all christian ppl will have a werry busy day. Becouse all the ppl who not let Jesus in too they're life. Will do anything to come too Him that moment. In the werry last moment. Ill think it will be a lot of pray that day. Not evan that for sure. We will stand in front of Him who have done all things in all Heaven's, on earth, and under earth. And am so naive that ill think i will manage too stand on my too feet! But the Holy Scripture said that every one will fall on they're knees. God bless you all here in the web site, who have a service soo big that we cant take it inwards us. Jesus Is.
Regarding what you call a "Bema seat". Many Christians don't call it that. Since the word isn't in the Bible, I prefer using the terminology the Bible already uses: Judgment. And I believe there's only 1 Judgment for all just like the verse says. I think the interpretation of the 2 different judgments is based on a misunderstanding of scripture and believe it is simple describing the same event in different ways. Revelation is a symbolic book with much of it based on an amazing vision and described in limited human terms. The evidence of the judgment being for all, is it says the book of life was there and open. If the whole judgment was to send everyone to hell, then why would the book of life be there and specifically mentioned and why would there even be a judgment if its already known that everyone there is going to hell anyway, unless you believe levels of punishment in hell. That would sure be a depressing line to be in.
Matthew 7:21 - people who said they knew the Lord and expected to get into heaven will not get into heaven. To me this means some Christians will not make it. They will believe they are Christ-followers, but Christ does not know them.
Matthew 10:28 - Jesus says to his 12 disciples, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Why would Christians (literal Christ followers) be told by Jesus to fear God and judgment if it wasn't true? Do you think Jesus meant to say 'And you are already saved no matter what, so just do whatever, because to do anything is 'human effort' and is bad, and to do nothing is good.' No, Jesus didn't say that. Huge difference.
The Bible says faith without works is dead. And Jesus said if you love me then obey His commandments.
I appreciate what you are sharing. It's not very deep but yet it gives me something to dwell on for a bit. Like I said earlier, I often use the words soul and spirit interchangeably, not even thinking about it. Hopefully, I don't cause anyone confusion as it's not my intent. I have learned and understood that we were body, soul, and spirit, even before receiving Christ, and that upon receiving Christ, His Spirit (Holy Spirit) comes in and seals our spirit. If that's not the case, I would need to study it out in order to change my mind. In other word, I'm still "on the fence" with this one, not in disagreement with what you're saying! My mind can be changed. And I enjoy the humor, even if it is B.S. I myself like to believe I have a good sense of humor but we live in a day and age now where we have to fear offending someone with our humor. Must we as believers always have to be so serious?
(Part 3)
You say, "Some denounce the faith late in life and some come to faith late in life," but I say those who denounce the faith were never of the faith to begin with. That's given to us in 1 John 2:19. A person who belongs to the Lord is a person who endures to the end. It is Christ in us that brings us to the end. He is the author and finisher of the faith. He designs it, and He brings it to its completion.
You say "The Bible supports having an assurance of salvation, and hope of eternal life for genuine Christ followers, but it doesn't say you have a guaranteed entry pass into heaven regardless of your actions." I agree.
I'm glad you bring up "hope" of eternal life. Jesus Christ is our hope. The word hope in the Greek text literally means expectancy. It doesn't mean I hope to have eternal life with Christ in heaven. I expect to have it.
Yes, Paul says to run the race. Every believer is to run the race that's set before them. In the end, we will be rewarded. As for the armor of God, Christ is my armor. When I received Christ, I put on Christ. He is the armor and that armor never comes off. Might I dare say that I do not strive to live a Godly life? That would take human effort which the Lord will not bless. I live a Godly life because it is Christ in me that persuades me to live a Godly life. It has nothing to do with me! It is all of Him. If it is me striving to live a Godly life, then I should have something to boast of. I have nothing to boast of but Christ who lives in me.
I have confidence that I will spend eternity with Christ. And I disagree that that is Satan's deception. My confidence is in Christ Jesus. He is my hope, my expectancy. When I stand before God someday, I'm going to know that I don't deserve to be there. And I know that I will not enter in based on my human performance. I enter in, not because God sees any good in me. I enter in because He will see His Son in me. That's how I enter in!
(Part 2)
I think for a true believer, one who has been born of God's Spirit, they do have the guarantee of eternal life with Christ. There is no danger as you say it in believing that. But yes, I agree, there is danger in believing that salvation gives you the right to enjoy a life of sin and not follow Jesus. Indeed, that is dangerous!
I think I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I have Christ in me. I have salvation (Present Tense). Christ said He will never leave me. As long as I have Christ in me, I will always have salvation, and He said He will never leave me. So my salvation is secure. I have eternal life because the eternal one lives in me.
Just because I believe in eternal security, that does not mean I assume I don't need to follow Jesus or that I can enjoy a life of sin. That is, as you say, a dangerous thing to believe. I have yet to meet a believer that has told me that they can enjoy a life of sin because they are already saved and it doesn't matter. Not once have I met that person. If you found "thousands" of them online, that's not a place I care to look. Also, there's no such thing as an "ex-Christian."
You tell me that it is your view that salvation doesn't occur until we are all judged? With that view, a person can never know they have salvation until they stand before God. If we're not saved now, how can we call Jesus Christ our Savior? For me, salvation occurred the moment I received Christ.
Sorry, but I am going to need one more post. I could have been short in my answer but I think you deserve an honest response from me. I know you have a sincere love for the Lord, and I admire that. I will finish up in one more post, I promise.
First, let me address your question about my comment. My answer is that the Christian will be judged at the Bema Seat of Christ. This is not a judgment to determine salvation. This judgment is to determine our reward. But there will be another judgment for the non-believer, which is the Great White Throne Judgement. No believer will be at that judgment. If you can't agree with that, I don't know what else to tell you. You used the verses in Revelation chapter 20 as showing that all will be judged at the same time. You can believe that if you wish, but that is simply not true. That judgment is strictly for the non-believer.
Now, 2 Corinthians 5:10, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
If you take that verse alone, the word "all" could mean everyone, I agree. However, if you take the chapter in context beginning with verse 1, it's easy to see who Paul is addressing in verse 10. He's addressing believers. So when he says in verse 10, "we must all appear," I look at who Paul is speaking to when he says we. He's talking to believers appearing before the judgment seat of Christ. That's the Bema Seat, not the Great White Throne Judgment. And yes, I see the word judgment, and I see the words good and bad. The believer will stand before the Bema Seat and be judged, and that which is of Christ, he/she will be rewarded for, and that which is not of Christ is going to burn, but the believer will be saved. But there will be a separate judgment for the non-believers.
I'll respond to the last part in a separate post.
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
The more Bible you can get inside of you, the stronger you will be in your faith. Read John 3, ask to receive the Holy Spirit. Ask HIM to teach you what the scriptures mean. Ask for what you need.
There are things you can do also, it depends on your persistence to pursue everything the Holy Spirit has for you.
Personally I gorge myself on Bible Reading every day almost. When I wash dishes I listen to FM RADIO, Christian radio teaching ministers; sometimes on AM radio too. I like Paul Shepherd and Greg Laurie.
Sometimes when the news is shocking, I listen on YouTube to King James Bible: Faith verses, healing verses, spiritual warfare Bible verses.
Sometimes I may listen to some Isaac Air Freight to enjoy some comedy from a Biblical perspective. The more you get inside of you, the quicker you will grow up. We're to be sober minded for sure, heavenly minded, but able to not lose our sense of humor.
Sometimes talking to our friends and family is less frightening if we have a balance of everything in our "quiver". A quiver is the sling we wear with our arrows in it. God uses arrows guided by the Holy Spirit. They change us on the inside first, and then the Lord uses us to be witnesses. He leads; we follow Him.
Mishael
So, I'll just ask about one comment. You distinguished between giving an 'account' and being 'judged' and seemed to suggest that the Christian will give an account but not be judged. Is that your belief?
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
To me, this verse says "all" which means all. Everyone. 'All' includes Christians. And it does indeed use the word judgment. And it does say both good or bad. So, you asked "What will the believer be judged for?" and the answer is in this verse: for what 'he hath done, whether it be good or bad.'
I think the danger in believing Christians have a guaranteed entry pass into heaven is some Christians will assume they are already "saved" and assume they don't need to follow Jesus anymore and can enjoy a life of sin. I've heard people deny this ever happens, but I know people now and you can find thousands of people fitting this category online, like on the ex-Christian reddit sub. It's my view that salvation doesn't occur until we are all judged. Life isn't over until it's over. Some denounce the faith late in life and some come to faith late in life.
The Bible supports having an assurance of salvation, and hope of eternal life for genuine Christ followers, but it doesn't say you have a guaranteed entry pass into heaven regardless of your actions. This is why Paul said to run the race well as if to get the prize. Why else would he say that if the race was already won and over. Why else would we need to stay on guard with armor of God on, and why else would we have to strive to live a Godly life if we're all saved regardless? I think satan is behind the deception and that the reality is just as Jesus said- that most people will go to hell, even those who were 100% confident they were getting in. Mat 7:21. God bless...
Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,( THE ALMIGHTY. )
I will share my opinion, but I respect those who believe it is a sin for them and would not wish to cause anyone to stumble.
First, what exactly is gambling? Is it just taking a financial risk? Must it be in the form of a 'game' and where's the line as to what is a game and what isn't? I noticed one website said risking something of value (like money) on an event with an uncertain outcome with the hope of winning a prize.
If that is the definition we are going for, let's ask what activities fit that description: casino games, mobile games, card games, board games, gameshows, insurance (life, health, auto, travel, business), investing (stock market, funds, commodities, crypto, metals, etc), real estate, all businesses, all collecting, all buying and selling or trading. To summarize, I believe all transations and even living involves risk, including financial risk and meets the definition of gambling. It would be hard to argue that one form is 'gambling' and another isn't. Insurance is often fear-based and mitigating risk of a potential negative outcome and the assumption that having it will make you better off, but it's a gamble. Becoming a Christian is a 'risk' to some for potential persecution, may lose friends, may lose money from having good morals, etc.
So, can you find any verses to support or not support it? Yes. You can search some of the following topics...
Love of money is a sin.
Putting false gods ahead of God, or idolatry.
Honesty-
Addiction- we are to control ourselves
Coveting- we should not have strong desires for material things
How about prudent financial management, yes:
Parable of talents
I think drinking alcohol may become sin for some just as overeating may turn into gluttony, just as gambling may turn into sin. I personally do not believe placing a bet is a sin or risking money as much of life involves this.
God bless...
When we die or or fall asleep body goes to dust spirit goes back to God who gave it and we take our last breath soul life is done. What I read spirit is spirit eternal, soul is soul breath life, body is formed dust of the ground that's what is written. With all due respect I don't look to correct more to understand, enhance and build upon. In His Service
Thank you DAISY for clarifying this on the discussion forum. Maybe next chapters will disclose this?
I'll disregard your first question as you've asked me to do. Your question "how do I interpret those "asleep" in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17?"
That phrase "asleep" is referring to the physical body. It gives the appearance of being asleep but it is dead. There's no such thing as "soul sleep" as some teach. The word death literally means separation. When we die physically, there is a separation that takes place. The soul separates from the body and either goes to be with the Lord (If we are saved), or goes to a place called Hades and waits for the resurrection that will take place after the thousand-year reign of Christ.
I understand every single person will stand before Christ and give an account. I can't disagree with that. But before I can answer you, I need to know your understanding of judgment. What will the believer be judged for?
It looks like you're saying that everyone will be judged at the same time, both believers and non-believers alike. Is that what you are saying? That is interesting because you use Revelation 20:11-15 as one of the verses that suggest to you that "everyone as a big group will be judged at the same time." Revelation 20:11-15 is speaking about the Great White Throne Judgement. No believer will stand before that judgement. That judgment is for all those who rejected Christ. They will all be judged and cast into the lake of fire. Not one single person who stands before the judgment spoken of in Revelation 20:11-15 will enter into heaven. The believer will stand before the Bema Seat of Christ, not the Great White Throne Judgment.
2 Corinthians 5:10 is referring to the Bema Seat of Christ, not the Great White Throne Judgment. (Two separate judgments!
There's a lot packed into Matt 25. If you would like to go over it, I would be happy to do so.
The person who has received Christ is not going to be judged to determine heaven or hell. Jesus Christ already paid for that. The believer will be judged to determine their reward
I see where you are going with this and I do thank you for the correction. It may have been more appropriate for me to say our soul departs and goes to be with the Lord. I oftentimes use the word soul and the word spirit interchangeably, even though I understand that there is a difference. My soul has been saved, but it's my spirit that has been made alive. So for me, whether I say my soul departs to be with the Lord (Which I could have said) or my spirit goes to be with Him, I see no harm done. Either way, a believer goes to be with the Lord. I could have just left it at that and not used either the word spirit or soul. The bottom line for me is that I get to go be with the Lord when I die. People often ask the question "What is the difference between the soul and the spirit?" It's a great question and a study in and of itself.
The decision makes Sweden the second country to adopt the European Union's recommendation to remove Israel from the list of green countries, following in Portugal's footsteps, which banned Israelis on Wednesday.
Last week it was announced there is a new Variant virus that is more deadly than the current one. Origin is Africa. More current news on website: JerusalemPost dot com
According to Jesus, the Body and Soul are NOT the same.
Jesus speaks directly about this below.
Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
God Bless
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: FORGIVE, and ye shall be forgiven
LUKE 18: 9-14
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [a sinner]
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, GOD, BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.
[Do we ever consider how blessed we are that THE ELECTION PASSED TO THE GENTILES??
Have we ever considered the Jews who lived and died throughout the Holocaust? "Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem" is not a plea. It's a strong request by The Lord.
I read a prophesy by Arthur E Bloomfield, who said that the United States would do something so heinous that the Entire World would Turn Against Us. (Back in the 70's). We're here. It's happening. Our soldiers have been betrayed. The world views us as WEAK; from the White House, all the way down.
WHO WILL RISE UP TO DEFEND OUR FLAG, OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS ??!!
VOTE & MAKE SURE IT GETS COUNTED THIS NEXT TIME.
They didn't teach that in High School did they?
He never sleeps, who watches over Israel.