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Very nicely laid out brother Chris!

Now look at the chronological order here in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8."For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

"AND THEN SHALL THAT WICKED BE REVEALED", whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This is the Holyspirit being removed and "then" the Antichrist shall be revealed!

The Holyspirit dwells in the body of believers unlike the way He worked and moved under the old covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 and

Hebrews 10:16.

Mathew 28:18-20 says something interesting that we can tie into 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING THEM in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I AM WITH YOU ALWAY, EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD. Amen.

a) We're put into the body of believers "IDENTIFIED" With Christ.

Satan has ministers amongst us but Satan has no power over the Church!

Genesis 3:15. ( We are baptized into him that will bruise Satan's head.)

1 John 4:4. ( We have already overcome what's coming upon the world!)

Matthew 16:18. ( Gates in scripture is always used as defense. So who's on the offence and overcomes? The Church!! )

b) "I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

WE ARE BAPTIZED IN CHRIST AND HE WILL NEVER LEAVE US.

Unlike Judaism the Church is not looking for their Messiah. .

We have him with and in us!!

The deception performed by the Antichrist is one coming as their Messiah, and he will deceive many!!

That can't happen while the Church is in the world.

1 John 2:20-28.

Thanks Brother!

We're learning a lot from your teachings.

God bless you.

Hallelujah, praise the Lord Jesus son of David.

Ronald Whittemore Thanks for the reply. I'm not really sure of what you are saying about what you believe. I hope you don't mind answering a couple questions? (1st) question. Would you explain what you think 1.Thes.4:17 is saying? (2nd) question. When, and where does the marriage supper of the Lamb take place?

Sure will Gigi.

I will be praying for Jeff and you tonight.

God bless you.

Please pray for me I'm dealing with demonic oppression I'm being attacked by demonic stubborn angry violent controlling abusive spirit voices in my head i don't want to go to the hospital for this i don't want to go to the behavior health center

Asking for prayers for my kids father, Rodney Cannon who is undergoing heart surgery for the 2nd time as I type this. I'm a believer and I have fallen off track, but I know God is a miracle worker. I'm asking for prayers for God to go to Plano, Texas to Baylor Heart hospital and work through the doctors for a successful surgery once again. I'm asking God for strength for Rodney when he is going through recovery. I'm thanking him for a successful surgery and speedy recovery and for giving Rodney more time here on earth to be with his kids and to turn his life over to him. So he can be a living testimony and spread the word.

Hello all,

Please keep Jeff in your prayers as he is on hospice for brain cancer. This is his third week of hospice, so don't know how many more days he will be with us. He needs salvation and, of course, relief from pain.

It's been a quiet day on this forum today. Perhaps people are attending to many things. I am in the middle of pressure canning chili. Whew, lots of work to just get the food in the jars and then into the canner. Now the wait time until they are ready to come out. Will repeat with a second batch this evening. then I will put the canner away for awhile.

I am going to the orthopedist on Friday for evaluations on my shoulders that are hurting and grinding. Please pray that the doctor will know what is wrong and that there is a way to fix them.

Thank you for your prayers.

Praying for you

I'll be praying for you brother and we both can stand in agreement with each other's prayers. We have to learn how to make correct decisions and anytime we choose not to use no matter how strong the urge is,we have to remember that God's holy spirit is stronger. I know it's easier said than done for some of us. I heard a pastor say stop trying and start training. We need retrained. Romans 6:12 Do not let sin control the way you live, do not give in to sinful desires. We don't have to give in to temptations and we need to let God's holy spirit train us in this way. Maybe God pour out His holy spirit on you brother.

Please pray the Lord would help believers understand the severity of sin and it's consequences, that we're rightly burdened for them, and we're led to a life-freeing knowledge of Christ's grace, forgiveness, and love.

Whether or not you believe in God, this message is a "must-read"!



Throughout time, we can see how we have been strategically conditioned coming to this point where we are on the verge of a cashless society. Did you know that Jesus foretold of this event almost 2,000 years ago?



In the last book of the Bible, Revelation 13:16-18, we read,



"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles-- Revelation 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."



Speaking to the last generation, this could only be speaking of a cashless society. Why's that? Revelation 13:17 states that we cannot buy or sell unless we receive the mark of the beast. If physical money was still in use, we could buy or sell with one another without receiving the mark. This would contradict scripture that states we need the mark to buy or sell!



These verses could not be referring to something purely spiritual as scripture references two physical locations (our right hand or forehead) stating the mark will be on one "OR" the other. If this mark was purely spiritual, it would indicate both places, or one--not one OR the other!



This is where it really starts to come together. It is amazing how accurate the Bible is concerning the implantable RFID microchip. This is information from a man named Carl Sanders who worked with a team of engineers to help develop this RFID chip:



"Carl Sanders sat in seventeen New World Order meetings with heads-of-state officials such as Henry Kissinger and Bob Gates of the C.I.A. to discuss plans on how to bring about this one-world system. The government commissioned Carl Sanders to design a microchip for iden

Please pray for my health and strength/ protection from the seen and unseen enemies and evil forces!! that are around me, a lot of time when things seem ok things just turn around wrong. Please pray that (GOD) will forgive me for any seen or unseen sins that I may have made, a lot of time I feel you can sin and don't even know it. Please pray for my health, I know I don't have the best of health, please pray that (GOD) in (THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST), if I have any seen or unseen health problems or diseases, please pray that (GOD) will (BLESS) me with a (SUPERNATURAL HEALING) in (ALL AREAS THROUGHOUT) my body mind & soul. I am 60 years of age staying with my ill mother, self-employed with no savings, please pray that (GOD) will (BLESS) me with jobs that I can complete with success and have no problems with pay. Please pray that (GOD) in (THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST) will (BLESS) me with nothing but (MIRACLES&BLESSINGS) in (ALL AREAS THROUGHOUT) my (LIFE),SPIRITUAL,FAITH,HEALTH,PROTECTION THROUGHOUT ALL AREAS OF LIFE PROBLEMS,COMPANIONSHIP,ETC!!. Thank you all for your prayers.

The Lord has blessed me using this chapter today, I am remained that God can use any thing, anyone regardless of weakness or no matter how useless it is to solve my problem or do HIS miracle. It does no matter to HIM.

Hi Jimbob,

Thanks for your reply, here is a short version that may explain.

I tried to keep it short, my understanding of scripture is there is not a pre-tribulation rapture, also if rapture means being taken to heaven pre, mid, or post-tribulation, scripture does not support that. Much of that is based on the 70th week in Daniel my understanding has been fulfilled.

In scripture, the gathering of the saint's destination will be in Israel not heaven, when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, Luke 21:24, the same place the saints will be when Satan is released Rev. 20:7-10 when the armies of Satan will be devoured with fire. Then the final judgment.

Jesus's second coming is to set up the kingdom and to reign on earth, Rev. 19:11-21. On that day His feet shall stand on the ground from where He left, Acts 1:9 Zech. 14:4.

When Jesus returns, every eye shall see Matt. 24:27 Rev. 1:7 With a great sound of a trumpet, Matt. 24:30-31, At the last trump, 1 Cor. 15:52, With the trump of God, 1 Thes. 4:16, The seventh angel sounded the last trump Rev. 11:15-19.

Then the wrath of God when Jesus returns, Rev. 6:15-17. And as we see in Revelation there are two resurrections, the first, all who are resurrected will reign with Jesus on earth, not heaven.

Hope this makes sense, I understand there are different understandings, but it is good to have a loving and respectful discussion.

God bless,

RLW

Jimbob,

The 1000 year period in Rev 20:2-3 is not a literal 1000 years. It began at the cross when Satan was "bound" so that he "should deceive the nations no more" and ended at the beginning of the Great Tribulation when Satan was "loosed for a little season". The Great Tribulation is the period in which we are living today where God has abandoned the churches and congregation ( 1 Pet 4:17) and God is no longer saving there and where Satan is actually ruling. We are now in a period of the Great Tribulation called the Latter Rain where God is saving a "great multitude which no man can number" ( Rev 7:9) outside of the churches. Once all of God's elect have become saved, Christ will return on the clouds of glory to resurrect / Rapture all True Believers and complete their salvation by giving them their resurrected spiritual bodies, begin Judgment Day when all of the unsaved and this sin cursed earth will be eternally destroyed, and Christ will create New Heavens and a New Earth where all True Believers will live and reign with Christ throughout eternity. God has revealed many teachings during this day regarding the end times, the nature of God's Judgement and Salvation program that have always been in the Bible but sealed until the time of the end. Read Daniel.

I understand this is contrary to the understanding of many and may be disturbing, especially to those that are still in the churches. But it is what I believe the Bible is teaching regarding the end times in which we are living. Please do not believe me. Read and study the Bible.

Where in the Biblical timeline of history are we today?

There has been a lot of discussion by some regarding the Great Tribulation, the Rapture and Judgement Day spoken of in Matt 24 and parallel passages of Mark 13 and Luke 17. I'm going to summarize what I believe the Bible is teaching without all of the scriptural proofs in the hopes that it will encourage many to go to the Bible to check out what I'm saying.

Matt 24, I believe is talking about the Great Tribulation period which begins with the End of the Church Age. The "abomination of desolation" in Matt 24:15 is Satan himself and the "holy place" is the New Testament churches and congregations. The "fig tree" in Matt 24:32 is National Israel. The "fig tree in leaf" is a reference to Nat Israel once again after nearly 2000 years becoming a sovereign nation which occurred in 1948. Note the fig tree is in leaf, not bearing fruit as Nat Israel remains in unbelief regarding the true Gospel and wants nothing to do with Christ as their Messiah. The beginning of the Great Tribulation likely began in 1988 and at that time God's Judgment fell upon ALL of the churches and congregations ( 1 pet 4:17), the Holy Spirit was and is no longer saving within the churches and Satan (the abomination of desolation) is actually ruling there. Believers are commanded get out of the churches (Judaea) and flee to the mountains (the kingdom of God, Christ Himself) Matt 24:16.

1994 can be shown to be a Jubilee year and the beginning of a Jubilee period. This latter part of the Great Tribulation is called the Latter Rain. During this time God will be saving a "great multitude that no man can number" ( Rev 7:9) outside of the churches as the Gospel goes forth from individual True Believers and ministries not associated with any church. Once all of God's elect have become saved, Christ will return with all the Saints that have gone before to Resurrect/Rapture all True Believers, begin Judgement Day, create New Heavens and Earth.

that chapter is my favorite one in indeed god is evey were it maks me cry evey time i read that chapter i love god with endurance love we are at time judjmentday is coming mater of time be ready borthers and sisters it is on you ?

i just want you to please pray for me i am going thour a hand full at this time the maine thing i need prayer for is that i stop useing drugs and that the homelessness comes to a stop and that i have a righteous life and that i get my hep c cured thank you have a gret day and

god bless

Ronald Whittlemore you are no intruding at all. After reading your comment I'm still not sure what your belief on the return of Christ is. Do you believe in the pre-tribulation rapture Ronald?

Please pray for The Lord to help me through the trials I am going through. Please pray that He heals my backsliding and body. Please pray that He protects and delivers me from the s and my enemies. please pray that He delivers me from any and all Bondages & strongholds. Please pray that He provides for all of my spiritual and material needs.

Chris thank you for answering those questions, but that only leads to more questions Chris. How many times, or how many people have you ever heard say "the harvest of the church"? Believing a pre-tribulation rapture forces one to take scripture out of context, and one has to continually try to refit pieces that just will not fit. Thats how we get holes in this belief, it is full of holes Chris. You say the Holy Spirit is the restrainer taken off the earth with all Believers before the tribulation. In Rev.7:9,14,17 we are told a great multitude that no man could number will be saved out of great tribulation. Would that be possible IF the Holy Spirit had been removed before it started? verse 17 tells us of ((those saved out of great tribulation)) "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne SHALL FEED THEM, and shall lead them unto living fountains of water: and God shall wipe all tears from their eyes. ((When would the Lamb feed them?)) Rev.19:7-9 He will feed them at the marriage supper of the Lamb! We are caught up to meet Him in the clouds so that marriage supper of the Lamb will take place in heaven, and those present were saved ((out of great tribulation)) Now on Mt.24 you said "This descent of Jesus is ultimately to come onto the earth (His 2nd coming) These verses DO NOT say Jesus returns to the earth, v.30 says "and they shall ((see the Son of man coming in the clouds.)) IN THE CLOUDS. Then there's the sound of the trumpet in Mt.24:31 and 1.Thes.4:16. There's no sounding of a trumpet when Christ returns on a white horse, Why? At this return, only the non-believing disobedient ones who were left to face the wrath of God will be on the earth. And this return He comes to judge and make war, He comes to the earth to start His 1000 year reign, which will end the wrath of God. The deeper we get into studying this subject, the more holes are found in the pre-tribulation rapture theory. I pray you see this Chris. Thank you again Chris, I do appreciate it.

Hi everyone, please pray for me. I've been going through a lot and I need prayer for guidance. It's been a long journey with the woman I'm with but she believes I'm cheating on her.. and nothing I do seems to convince her otherwise. Thank you all and God bless you.

I need some bible quotation to deliver me in reading and study bible very well

Yesterday, a neurologist told me he believes I have Parkinson's Disease. I have an MRI scheduled to rule out other problems/issues/diseases. I am asking for thoughts/prayers/whatever that it is not Parkinson's Disease and that whatever is causing my symptoms is curable. Please send these thoughts my way. I appreciate it.

Lord we know we're living in the last days and the love of many will grow cold because lawlessness shall abound.

But Father I ask You to be merciful to Richard and to all of us. Help us to remember our first love. Remind us, remind us, dear Lord!

Restore unto us the joy of our salvation. Help us to examine ourselves to see if there be any wicked way in us that we may repent. Soften our hearts.

Bless Richard today Lord, give him opportunity to be a witness today and a light to someone in need. Encourage him and lift him up.

Help all of us to endure until the end.

Thank You Father. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

Dear Lord, please help us to fall in love with vegetables. Help us to have access to organic veggies. Help us to eat plenty of the foods in whole natural form that You put here for us when you created us. Give us wisdom and cravings for the things that come from the ground. In Jesus name. Amen.

:-)

I'm with you Brandi and GiGi.

Thank you for your reply

Chris,

When we talk about the "writings" that are not the Bible itself, that is an entirely different matter. These are not infallible nor necessarily trustworthy.

For example, a commentary or a creed or a confession is the product of man and not the Word of God nor inspired by God. What they are saying may or may not be in accordance with the Bible. The mere fact that they differ greatly on a particular doctrine is proof of that. They must always be checked out from the Bible itself. As would apply to any secular writing.

The Bible ALONE and in its ENTIRETY MUST be our ultimate authority when it comes to understanding what God is teaching.

I want to again state that the Bible ITSELF tells us how we are to approach and interpret the Bible. God is very clear about defining the "Biblical Hermeneutic", as I tried to outline and provide some of the scriptural references in my original post on the subject.

Please pray for my son Anthony and his girlfriend serra and there girls salvation and live for christ and for my daughter Athena and her husband and kids salvation and live for christ and God to protect them from evil and for fear and anxiety to leave our family Please pray for my sisters and there family salvation and protection my mom and me and my son Robert to be humble and kindness

thank you and may the Lord bless you and your family, I hope you are doing well