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1- pray for a release of my result so i can get my B.sc certificate and go for nysc

2- pray for a new and better job for my friend saviour

3- pray for the financial growth of my family

4- pray for a better Nigeria

Yes, Ogunwale,

I heard about the turmoil concerning the elections. I pray that God will intervene and help your country to bring about just government actions and peace among the peoples.

The sons of Noah are shim ham and japheth!

4 altogether. What people groups came from the Three Sons: shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Why are there 7 churches to represent three children, and father being the fourth.

We are 3/7?

Okay...thanks

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what are are the people groups today that represent those children such as Germans French etc.

Thanks

Chris,

Thanks. But I realize that not every Mom breastfeeds their babies. So, I want to make it clear that I am not judging anyone for

choices in this area. That said, I do think that "natural' (as to cooperating with the nature God gave us) is usually better that

substituting something artificial or man-made in something as important as feeding our new babies. I just think that, as I look

at the bodies of women, some things are easy to discern as to what was God's intent in shaping us the way we are. I am just

one who wish to honor the way God made me and respect the process of childbirth and baby care as using my uterus and

breasts the way God has designed. Because I thought this way, I studied up on it before I even became pregnant with my first

baby. Funny, I even was a support person for my friend who had her first baby before me by a few years. We have been friends

for over 40 years.

Yet, each couple need to choose what God is leading them to do in this area. For me, the benefits to baby and to mom in

breastfeeding are so worth having. But most of all, we need to honor God with our bodies, respecting the way He designed our

bodies to work and endeavoring to live our lives in such a way to bring him glory. For many women, it is in breastfeeding. For

others it is not because their circumstances were very different than mine. I will always speak out for the value of breastfeeding,

but I will always be respectful towards each person's decision in this situation.

But the information of how Mom's fed their babies in ancient times and in many cultures untouched by modern society is

reliable. The sending of formula to third world countries for brand new moms have contributed to malnutrition in so many

babies and mom's. It would be better to send nutritious food for women throughout their pregnancies and the years they

breastfeed as it would reduce malnutrition in such communities in a much bigger way.

Jimbob, oops hit send instead of the key I intended,..

I always took those Scriptures as our Lord telling us about His second (and only) coming a the end of history. when read what Paul explains in 1Cor. 15 and 2 Thess. 2 also speaking of the return of Christ at the end of history (the Day of the Lord. In reading these Scriptures from my teens and up to now, I have thought this. I was brought up in a church that did not speak much about end times. Only saying that Jesus will come again and He will judge the living and the dead; resurrect all people; bring the believers to heaven for eternity. And, yes, this is an eschatological viewpoint, but not an indepth one compared to those who have ascribed to an amillennial, preterist, premillennial, or dispensational mindset. I did not even know that these categories existed for most of my life.

So, I can say that my engagement with the Scriptures mentioned were much more uninfluenced by preconceptions of any of the eschatological viewpoints. I would have never understood any of these Scriptures referring to a secret Pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib rapture event separate and before the visible second coming of Jesus. But that does not mean that my view is unwaveringly true. It just means that I was approaching Scripture asking the Holy Sprit to help me understand.

It has only been recently that I have inspected the various eschatological viewpoints. I cannot say at this time that I am 100% behind any of them in all of their teachings. But at least I know that my understanding of these Scriptures were not because I was taught any particular eschatological approach.

Even so, we all should be humble and willing to consider what others have to say on this topic since it has not happened yet. I appreciate this conversation between you and Chris. It has been respectful and I sense that each of you sincerely wished to explore this topic between yourselves and present one's own viewpoint as clearly as one is able to do.

Jimbob,

I agree with you. The Scripture that pre-trib rapture proponents us to "prove" this theory are really the revelation of the full second (and only) coming of Jesus Christ to "harvest" the saints and to bring in the time of God's wrath upon the unrighteous.

Dispensationalists look to Scripture with a pre-conceived lens of the tenets of dispensationalism. When one interprets Scripture within a particular "ideology grid" then the Scripture cited seem to prove the preconceptions. That can happen to those of us who are not dispensationalist, too.

It is very difficult to not bring preconceptions to the Scriptures. it takes a prayerful heart and mind to humbly seek God's truth.

For me, for 65 years as a Christian, I have not been exposed to the various eschatology views that Christians hold. I have not studied them until very recently due to being exposed to them on this forum. so, I cannot say that I had a set view. But from the time I was old enough and mature enough to read the Bible with understanding, I have always taken Jesus words in matt. 24 & 25 and Luke 17 as

Question: : Is a man obligated to form a bond with a granddaughter if it causes strife with his present wife even though there was little or no bond with the child who was fathered by the man before he and his wife got married. The wife knew about the outside child before marriage took place but changed her mind later on

I've searched scripture but haven't found answers to this situation

My mom just came out of the hospital to my house for home hospice...I don't know how people do this without Jesus. It's exhausting, but an extreme blessing. Please pray for mom's salvation and our physical strength to care for her..

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Therefore, I reiterate the three rules of Hermeneutics: a literal interpretation (unless a non-literal one is clearly called for); an historical, grammatical & contextual usage to understand the environment & language of that writing; & of course, using Scripture in other places within the Bible to help interpret the portion we're reading. Outside of this defined & confined meaning of 'biblical hermeneutics', we might open ourselves to erroneous understanding & teaching. If we believe that the Holy Spirit assists us in our understanding, then He would not disregard proper interpretative conventions, rather make that Scripture meaningful to us as well as applicable to our lives.

Then going back to our 'Lake of Fire' example, 'Fire' may be the common word that is seen, in say in 1 Kings 18:19-40 & in Revelation 20:14,15, but the whole context is very different between the two. Where 'fire' consumed the sacrifice on the altar in the one, & then in the other, 'fire' doesn't consume, but is eternal & tormenting (even as Jesus spoke of this in Mark 9:43-48). If we don't apply these rules, we can then make the Revelation account anything we want it to mean (or support our belief); such as being a fire of purification (purgatory), or only a spiritual (not actual) fire to demonstrate God's hatred of sin, but the soul be saved. If any of these (& other) interpretations are used, we in the first instance violate the proper understanding of the given Word & secondly, apply our own principles which ultimately makes the Word meaningless & worthless. The Holy Word is to be rigorously guarded from anything that would lead the reader to distraction & departure of the Truth.

Agreed, Chris. We need to understand what the text is actually saying/meaning/revealing in its plain meaning. Allegorizing every words, phrases, or verses as y9ou said is not only erroneous exegetics but also dangerous in that it leads to ideas, beliefs, and representations of God's Holy Word that were never intended and sometimes contrary to Scripture.

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2. A second crucial rule of biblical hermeneutics is that passages must be interpreted historically, grammatically, and contextually. Interpreting a passage historically means we must first seek to understand the culture, background, and situation that prompted the writing. For example, in order to understand Jonah's flight, in Jonah 1:1-3, we should learn of the history of the Assyrians as it related to Israel.

Interpreting a passage grammatically requires one to follow the rules of grammar and recognize the nuances of Hebrew and Greek. For example, when Paul writes of "the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ" in Titus 2:13, the rules of grammar state that God and Savior are parallel terms and they are both in apposition to Jesus Christ; in other words, Paul clearly calls Jesus "our great God" & not identifying the two Persons separately in the Deity. Interpreting a passage contextually involves considering the context of a verse or passage when trying to determine the meaning. The context includes the verses immediately preceding and following it, the chapter, the book, and indeed the entire Bible. For example, many puzzling statements in Ecclesiastes become clearer when kept in context; the book of Ecclesiastes is written from the earthly perspective 'under the sun' ( Ecclesiastes 1:3). In fact, the phrase 'under the sun' is repeated many times in this book, establishing the context for all that is "vanity" in this world.

3. A third rule of biblical hermeneutics is that Scripture is always the best interpreter of Scripture (& this you believe & stated clearly). For this reason, we always compare Scripture with Scripture when trying to determine the meaning of a passage. For example, Isaiah's condemnation of Judah's desire to seek Egypt's help and their reliance on a strong cavalry ( Isaiah 31:1) was motivated, in part, by God's explicit command that His people not go to Egypt to seek horses ( Deuteronomy 17:16).

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Thanks for asking that good question David0920 concerning our understanding & use of correct biblical hermeneutics.

Biblical hermeneutics then, is the study of the principles and methods of correctly interpreting the text of the Bible. In 2 Timothy 2:15 we see this instruction to properly read & understand the Bible & this is the sole purpose of biblical hermeneutics.

1. The most important rule of biblical hermeneutics is that the Bible should be interpreted literally. We are to understand the Bible in its normal or plain meaning, UNLESS the passage is obviously intended to be symbolic or if figures of speech are used (as you shared about several accounts in The Revelation). The Bible says what it means and means what it says. For e.g., when Jesus spoke of having fed "the five thousand" ( Mark 8:19), the law of hermeneutics says we should understand five thousand literally: there was a crowd of hungry people that numbered five thousand who were fed with real bread and fish by a miracle-working Savior. Any attempt to "spiritualize" the number or to deny a literal miracle is to do injustice to the text and ignore the purpose of language, which is to communicate. Of course, there are lessons to be learned from that event, lessons which you mentioned, but before we arrive at those personal lessons & applications, we must ensure we actually understand what the Bible is saying & not replace words with other words, e.g. the fish or people to mean something else that God wants to tell us.

Some make the mistake of trying to read between the lines of Scripture to come up with esoteric meanings (i.e. only a special few are blessed to understand it), that are not really found in the text, as if every passage has a hidden spiritual truth that we should seek to decipher & then connect the dots. Biblical hermeneutics keeps us faithful to the intended meaning of Scripture and prohibits our allegorizing Bible verses that ought to be understood literally.

Is this a timeline for the tribulation period, the harvest (rapture), and the wrath of God? Start reading the book of Revelation, start in Ch.12, read 12,13, and 14. These chapters are describing the tribulation period. Near the end of Ch.14 we see the Son of man come on a cloud to harvest the earth. (THE HARVEST, this is the rapture) The last 3 verses in Ch.14 show us the great winepress of the wrath of God. THEN in Rev. Ch.15:2 we see a picture of a sea of glass in heaven with "them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God", v.3 they sing the song of Moses, and the song of the Lamb. So they had gotten the victory (over the beast), meaning they were on the earth ((DURING GREAT TRIBULATION.)) Verse 2 is a picture of those who were caught up to meet our Lord in the clouds, those from the harvest. The last verse in that chapter is Rev.Ch.15:8, it tells us "And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled". (The rapture, the harvest has already happened and no one could enter the temple UNTIL the seven vials of the wrath of God are poured out.) The next Chapter, Rev.16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. The wrath of God comes AFTER we are caught up to meet our Lord in the clouds, and no one can enter the temple during that time, (NO ONE CAN BE SAVED during the wrath of God) Rev.7:9,14 tell us a great multitude that no man could number will be saved out of great tribulation, they are two different time periods. ((Please)) check the context of these verses carefully with what is written BEFORE any reply saying its not accurate, we all should be learning from each other. We are running out of time fast!

Please help me pray for healing and to draw closer to Lord

Thank you

Please pray for peace and kindness humbleness in our home for my son to be more christ like and respectful to my mom and me

Please pray for my family. We have a difficult situation that only God can help with.

Please pray for my healing

Amen thank you Jesus

Thank you Chris for your reply. I read your pages 2 times, I don't see anything to prove a return of Jesus in the clouds to gather together His church, or True Believers (before) the tribulation. Chris IF you knew that the time period of the great tribulation, and the wrath of God were completely different time periods. Would that change (anything) about your belief in, or how you see a pre-tribulation rapture? My belief is not just post-trib. Its post-trib, and pre-wrath. Jesus comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, the church after the tribulation (Mt.24:29-31) That same day the wrath of God is poured out on all non-believers left on the earth (Jn.3:36) I keep going back to Mt,24:29-31, these verses are almost in perfect alignment with 1.Thes.4:14-17. And then we have Rev.14:14-16, (which I don't think has even been mentioned yet) verse 14 says "And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle". verse 15 says "for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe". Jesus comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, or His church one time only. That will start the wrath of God. If you read to the end of the Mt.Ch.24:48-51 it tells us what those left on the earth will deal with after the return of Christ. v.51 says "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (This would be the wrath of God, would it not?) If you read to the end of Rev.Ch.14 just after the Son of man (Jesus Christ) comes on a white cloud, for the harvest of the earth is ripe". (Wouldn't this harvest be when we are caught up to meet him in the air, in the clouds?) Rev.14:18-20 Just after the Son of man will harvest the earth, v.19 says "and cast it into the great winepress of THE WRATH OF GOD. (wrath comes After His return here also) Mt.24:29, "Immediately after" Thank you Chris

John 3 kjv.

Please pray for me as I just turned 35 and my body is going through a lot of changes. I have a lot of stomach problems and recently I've been going through anxiety. I haven't been sleeping well and I'm also dizzy as well. I need peace from the Lord and faith that He's taking care of me. Thank you for your prayers.

Hello Eula. I can't recall anything as specific as your question being answered in the Bible; but the following Scriptures relate to giving honor & care to parents, family & others near to you.

Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 6:1-4; 1 Timothy 5:8.

Cccampbell55,

I say amen to that! Submitting ourselves to Gods humbling process is what we are to do.

1 Peter 5:6 says Humble yourselves therefore, and here's a translation change:

Instead of humble yourselves, I understand it to be "be humbled." I see it as Passive Voice in the Greek text.

I don't humble myself. That would be considered pride if I were doing the humbling. So we are to be humbled therefore under the mighty hand of God.

So we are to submit to Gods humbling process under His mighty hand. As He keeps trying to push us down every time we pop up in whatever area of life we're popping up in, because we have a tendency in our self-sufficiency to try and do things our way instead of surrendering to Christ, but we are to submit to His humbling process under His mighty hand, and He will exalt us in due time:

In 1 Peter 5:7, there's a Modal Participle explaining what it means to be humbled under the mighty hand of God:

We are told to cast all our care upon him; for He is concerned for us. It's when we become self sufficient in our circumstances that Gods brings us low in order to cause us to trust Him and cast all of our cares on Him. That's how we are humbled, and it is God doing the humbling!

Thanks again GiGi for that extra valuable information. And particularly useful for any young person or soon-to-be Mother reading this thread, to know 'natural is truly the best for Momma & Bubba'.

Asking for prayer for my healing, I currently have covid and lost my smell yesterday, it's scary and I'm asking and praying for my total healing and restoration in Jesus name.

For my husband to love me again and my marriage to be restored. Our weaknesses become our strengths. Amen

I want the lord to perfect all that concerns me

Robert,

I see no reason to believe that Job ever divorced or remarried. I believe that Job remained married to his wife and they both had more children after God restored all that he lost ( Job 42:10-13).

We see in Job 42:11 that all his previous acquaintances came back to him. It does not mention his wife but I would have to think she would be included, or perhaps, she never left him?

please pray for me to pass the philippine bar exam this coming september 2023 and for my insomnia to disappear permanently..thank you..

I need too pray for me and my family that we will grow in Christ etc.