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The Father is not the Son nor the Son the Holy Sprit etc .etc

But they are One .

No man knows the Father save the Son nor the Son save the Father .

No man comes unto the zFather save by the Son.

When we think to meditate on the Trinity of God we are to all intents and purposes entering into the Holy of Holies for we are thinking on the God head .

To think that an unregenerate man can understand in an measure is to think you can enter the Holy of Holies .

A person who is not BORN again is not even in the camp so to speak . That camp of over 2000,000 people surrounded the tabernacle how does anyone think thr6 will get even close?

But a carnally minded Christian ( see 1Cor) cannot either for while they are ' in the camp' they " cannot receive the things of God " It's like trying to do algebra or advanced mathematics before learning your + - and division so to speak.

This is not to avoid the subject but rather not to waste time on " vain debates" with people who have little or nomspuritual understanding or foundation to go " a little further" .

The approach into the Holy of Holies was very clear and while it is true in Christ we may now " boldly enter " it that does not mean foolishly moreover not without blood .

A person who does mot even accept the all sufficient sacrifice of Christ cannot go any further then on pain of death .Now committing the sin of presumption .

John 17 records the Lord's Prayer that the church might be one even as the Father and Son were one .

I think that we only enter they very Hoy place as One . One body one faith etc . " Our Father .."

Unto the blood that speaks of better things than the blood of Abel " I think also very few do enter though all,who believe can .

But rather stay in the outer court where things are 'seen' with the naked eye . Rather than by the Word and Spirit of God .

Yet the pattern of the curtain into the outer court is it not the same as that of the Holy place? And have we not been made priests ."?

It is impossible that Jesus was tempted with every temptation known to man . The scriptures state he " was tempted in all points.." What points? The points of the compass so to speak . The that of the flesh the eye the mind and the pride of life .

ALL temptations of whatever sort they are are designed to get us to act in the flesh and not the Spirit.

When the Lord told his disciples to " watch and pray lest you fall into temptation " for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak . But they fell asleep but he stayed awake and in doing so overcame the temptation and weakness of the flesh . For he was dying in gethsemane under the tremendous weight of the worlds sin and powers of darkness seeking his destruction . Sweating blood is a sign of imminent death . Hence His prayer " with strong tears and crying" said Peter for the cup of death to pass from Him. For He knew full well he was the Passover lamb the " Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world " and to fulfil all scripture he needs must die tomorrow on Golgotha tree . He was not trying to avoid the cross but His supreme objective was to fulfil the Will of God the Father thus he prayed . Not my will but thine be done . When we pray for sanctification we are praying to the known will of God . We cannot sanctify ourselves but in so praying we are conforming to the will of God who then sanctifies us . Is it not written " He that sanctifieth and he that is sanctified are one"? For in truth what He was about to suffer he could not as " The Man Christ Jesus nor by his own will endure what had to be endured . But he was crucified not by his own will but the Fathers for " it pleased God to bruise Him" and the cry " My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Was the the Man both conforming to the scriptures and in perfect harmony with them( Psalms) and the mind of the Man unable to comprehend the incomprehensible on every level . But the battle has been won in the garden and every stripe brought healing etc.

To all that be in Christ,

1. Identity: Who We Are

Body of Christ, not Israel

Believers today are part of the "one new man" ( Eph. 2:15), a spiritual organism distinct from Israel.

There is "neither Jew nor Greek" in Christ ( Gal. 3:28).

Romans 9:4 shows that the covenants belonged to Israel-not the Gentiles.

2. Promises: What We Possess

Israel's Covenants

Abrahamic: land and nation ( Gen. 17:7-8).

Mosaic: law and priesthood ( Ex. 19:5-6).

Davidic: kingdom and throne ( 2 Sam. 7:12-16).

New Covenant ( Jer. 31:31-34) promised to Israel.

Body of Christ's Blessings

We were once "strangers from the covenants" ( Eph. 2:12).

Now we are blessed with "all spiritual blessings in heavenly places" ( Eph. 1:3).

Our position is in Christ, not in Israel's covenant structure.

3. Destiny: Where We Are Headed

Israel's Future

Earthly kingdom promises remain for Israel ( Jer. 23:5-6; Matt. 19:28).

Romans 11:25-29 confirms God will fulfill His covenants with them.

Church's Future

Our hope is heavenly, as citizens of heaven ( Phil. 3:20-21).

The mystery revealed to Paul shows the Church is a distinct entity ( Col. 1:25-27).

The Body of Christ will be caught up to meet the Lord ( 1 Thess. 4:16-17).

Summary

Christians in this dispensation are not "spiritual Israel." The covenants remain with Israel, while the Church enjoys a new, heavenly calling through the mystery revealed to Paul. To merge them erases God's faithfulness to Israel and diminishes the uniqueness of the Body of Christ.

Grace and Peace

To all that be in Christ,

Who we are in the Body of Christ.

In this present dispensation of grace, the believer in Christ is part of the Body of Christ, not "spiritual Israel." Scripture makes a clear distinction between God's covenant promises to Israel and the mystery revealed to Paul for the Church. Israel was given covenants tied to land, law, kingdom, and priesthood ( Gen. 17:7-8; Exod. 19:5-6; Jer. 31:31-34). These covenants are never transferred to Gentiles or to the Body of Christ. Instead, Paul says believers today are made "fellowheirs" in a new, unprophesied program ( Eph. 3:1-6), not inheritors of Israel's covenants.

Romans 9:4 states that the covenants "pertain" to Israel, not to the Gentiles. Paul confirms this distinction in Ephesians 2:11-12: before Christ, Gentiles were "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise." Now, in Christ, we are "made nigh by the blood of Christ" (v. 13), but not by becoming Israel. Instead, Jew and Gentile are joined into "one new man" (v. 15), the Body of Christ, which is distinct from Israel's prophetic promises.

The Body of Christ's blessings are spiritual, located "in heavenly places in Christ" ( Eph. 1:3), not earthly as Israel's kingdom promises ( Jer. 23:5-6; Matt. 19:28). Paul stresses in Galatians 3:28 that in this dispensation "there is neither Jew nor Greek," showing the old covenantal distinctions are set aside in Christ.

Israel's promises of land and kingdom remain future ( Rom. 11:25-29). God has not abandoned Israel but postponed their program until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. The Church today is not Israel redefined, but a distinct entity created by the revelation of the mystery ( Col. 1:25-27). To merge the two erases God's faithfulness to His covenants with Israel and diminishes the uniqueness of the Body of Christ's calling.

Grace and Peace.

Spencer,

Well spoken, and yes I noticed that you were likely to be a dispensationalist.

I appreciate and welcome your responses.

Grace and Peace.

Please pray for revival in Tring and Aldbury.

Prayer for HOLY GHOST GOD to Lead in prayer. Prayer for complete deliverance from all things have me feeling off and less then. I ask for Grace, Mercy, and Forgiveness of all sins and ask that I will have Grace for every sin and ask that it's all under the Blood of Lord Jesus Christ. Prayer for healing of the mind. Prayer that I will date a good woman who is not trying to play me and ask for Grace for being off with women in a way that I am not picking up on. Prayer for supernatural deliverance and support with finances to be able to take them on dates so that I am not getting their hopes up. I ask that I will have finances for this weekend. I ask that I do extremely well today. I ask that work today is extremely Blessed for me in a way that I understand and can't miss the mark. I ask for extremely high help to complete all task that I am in desperate need to accomplish in a way that GOD knows. I ask for max support to get to work each and every day on time and ask that I will get on my feet so I can have a short commute. I ask that I can have finances and debt cancelled in all areas that I am needing help to get back on my feet. Prayer that I am able to get a credit card to be able to get a rental car to see my daughter as soon as possible. Prayer that I will not let my daughter down. I ask for all of these things in Lord Jesus Christ Name and come into agreement with all GOD want me to agree with so that I automatically agree in Lord Jesus Christ Name.

Hey "Westj85" Totally agree then we can also imagine what would have happened if He took the right to free will? He did not have free will. He knew what was at stake, right then. Just like we do, when we wobble. But as we struggle with many things, this may have been hard for Him to realize. Maybe He thought He couldn't do it. A little flare of uncertainty. Jesus probably knew the weaknesses of the body in every way. Feelings and needs He knew everything about everyone. Maybe this work was not yet revealed to Him? That He had to face this which was leading to uncertainty and be able to manage and complete it. He finished, He conquered, and delivered us from captivity! Hallelujah, Joh 8:31-36 Love u.

Correction:

In the first para please read,"So the compound number (3x12) is according to the word of God."

as

"So the compound number (3x4=12) is according to the word of God."

Nations founded on lie cannot stand; There are only two nations which is how God shall establish his kingdom of light. The other kingdom as with Babylon the great we shall see: Mystery of the great whore is revealed when the stone is cast down.(Rev.18.21) Meanwhile tet us feed the flock as instructed by our Lord Saviour.

2 Cor.3.18 "Through a glass clearly"

"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

God fashioned all hearts alike so an open face in terms of the gospel of God is truth. God sent his only begotten Son whose death and resurrection render the gospel of God is same as the gospel of Christ. What are the doctrines of man? They are the heresies 'by the sleight of ; Jude 1.12men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive' and Jude refers to them as spots in your charity, (Eph.4.14) and we have in this forum as well, dispensationalism they call it, playing on one single string and it is adnauseam,'clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots." We are to grow in knowledge so what is cast on the face of Jesus Christ is the image we are looking at.(2 Cor.4.6) What these sects do. James tell it to our profit."But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."(Jas.1.25;Jn.3.21) Their 'works' are open or done under the light. "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." Our works are done in God so entering into the God's rest our fruits shall never prove to be duds. The firmament sheweth the handiwork of God. Heaven where we have the building of God not made with hands serves as a glass. Proof it is in the wall of the city of God,"And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."These 12 foundations bearing the names of the apostles, are studded with stones. So the breast plate of Aaron is pointing to the 'new' Jerusalem, four square, which is above the mid-air!

Concluding comments from last post

I thought I should say something about doing too much in light of recent events or anything for that matter. The other subject of late causing the hysteria in the online community is the dogged determination many have as to the Lord coming in about 12 days from now. What is similar to this in this discourse is allowing a prevailing mindset of emotional fervor to skew our viewpoint. If we think He is coming that soon we could go overboard much as we could in response to tragedy and having a tendency to make preaching the Gospel be a social movement or something we somehow think we can convince the overall trajectory of society to change based on our convictions. Yes; there are things we can do as Christians with our rights and privileges in this nation but God Himself is allowing the signs of the times themselves to draw people to Himself. The opposite; of course is true when things seem to be going as a "normal" day as Christ warns about coming in a time we don't expect much as in the case of the time of Noah (marrying; buying; selling; etc). Anyone can get nostalgic about our country and it's past glories; Christian heritage; etc. and easily slip into an unrealistic viewpoint that our founding fathers had it all correct rather than being a mixture of Deists; some Christians and others who clearly had other motives for their actions. This doesn't mean we can't be as Paul and invoke certain national rights we have if it is edifying at large as a witness so that we maintain freedoms promised from our citizenship. We must be careful though not to idolize anyone; however.

I don't want to overthink this or pretend I have all the answers. Today we remember what happened almost a quarter century ago.

Agape; Rich P

Hello, Cordellwbeesr.

Brother Jesse has provided Scriptures to consider on this matter. I could offer Scriptures that would debate these points, but that would not answer your questions. This doctrine originated in 325 A.D. and was expanded over the next 150 years or so. You need to pray and study for your own conscience.

The majority support this doctrine, and some believe it is essential to be a Christian. Jesus is our Lord, and He gave His life to pay the penalty for sin so that we, through Him, can be reconciled to God. The wages of sin are death, Romans 6:23. Jesus' death on the cross paid this price.

Jesus had His own will, but was obedient and did the will of the Father, John 14:31, Luke 22:42, John 5:30, John 17:16, John 12:49.

The Chalcedonian Creed A.D. 451 states, "Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, in confusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of nature's being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved." Does Scripture support this?

God alone possesses immortality, 1 Timothy 6:16. Our faith rests on the death and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 1 Corinthians 15:12-17. God cannot die. Jesus was tempted in the same ways we are, Hebrews 4:14-16. God cannot be tempted, James 1:13.

The Bible will answer all questions we have if we are ready to receive the answer, Matthew 7:7, James 1:5, with prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-not man.

God bless your study,

RLW

I may go down today with a couple sisters in the Lord and do some witnessing; distribute tracts-etc. Pray for their safety in particular as I don't plan on staying down there very long myself.

In terms of the event yesterday which no doubt is fresh in many people's mind we do pray that Mr. Kirk's attacker is caught; of course. I have tried to support grieving brothers and sisters on this matter; without attempting to be either overly emotional on my end or insensitive. I am not certain as to all the doctrines; etc. that he espoused as to my agreement with them however we certainly can see how as today's chapter in scripture Matthew 5 illustrates blessed are the persecuted for His Name's sake. These actions show what would be considered normal or default Christianity in much of the world today including its inception in the first Century.

The whole insensitivity today towards the loss of innocent people was also considered with the train event that involved a Ukrainian lady recently as to the lack of any support which could have helped her at the time; reminding us of the parable of the Good Samaritan with the bad reaction of those walking by. We can't help but look at the whole conflict going on where countless multitudes of family members have perished with targeted and random collateral damage the last few years; no doubt affecting both sides in the conflict. There are certainly societal factors that exacerbate these problems with video games glorifying alternative worlds and graphic scenes; as well as our desensitization to the destruction of the unborn in general.

My concern is that we do too much or too little here. We; no doubt need a moment at times when such things happen to deal with the shock; but our overall trajectory shouldn't change. Sadly we can know for a fact that we will see more of the same until He comes and likely at an accellerated rate; but the Lord will come out as He already is; having won the war when battles cease.

please pray for me and my family

Exod.28 .30-31 "Urim and Thummim"

"And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually."

In the following verse we have the context, "And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all of blue."

'The ephod all of blue' evokes this verse,"And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness" Paved work resonates with the analogy of the fabric which is woven. (Exod.24.10) Consequently the garment of the high priest for glory and beauty is evoking Jesus Christ whom God has anointed as the eternal Priest. ("Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek"-Ps.110.1-5)

Colour of the terrible crystal in its clearness is the firmament where God has set the tabernace for the sun. When it is translated into a tangible material as garment we shall jst recall the Woman clothed with the Sun. She loses her position but the sun or the moon do not. For these refer to the entities to represent the Father Son relationship. The sun and the moon are transposed as two stones, Urim and the Thummim so the divine light is tucked within the breastplate doubled over.

What does doubled over signify? the same as the book with seven seals with writing on the backside and within. These two stone, the greater light and the lesser lights are intended for the new heaven and the new earth, producing the light of the lamb. what the 12 stones on the breast plates carry are 'Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually." The compound number establishes the eternal priesthood and kingship as established the Word which was God. In other world Law of the Spirit shall judge the Israelites who are under the Law of sin and death. Decalogue.

Significance of Rev. ch.12.

v.1 "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars"

Compare these 12 stars with the seven stars in the right hand of the risen Christ. The whole number Seven establishes the Law of the Spirit according to the Covenant has entrusted the blessed unto his hands."And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."( Jn 10.28-29) The seven candlesticks in the vision represent entire body of believers on earth and liable to changes of the churches are not careful. One third are likely to fall off. Whereas the crown of 12 stars are those who have run the race and entered into the joy of the Lord. This seal of approval is a testimony of the gospel. So the compound number (3x12) is according to the word of God. "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord."(Mt.25.23) God's calling and gifts are irrevocable.

Not so with the woman who is a wonder and the adjective 'great' means the same as in other cases. It is God who shall judge, The wonder is what has she done with all the blessings imputed to her. garment of righteousness of the sun and grace on which she stood. But she herself did not enter into the glory destined for her.

She is the mother of all living and she is Eve and she was named by Adam. As soon as the man-child is caught up to the throne, they entered into the God's rest. She reduced in her own circumstance becomes two groups sons of Adam, one belonging to the nation of Israel. The Spirit tags her with time,times and half a time., 'into her place and it ultimately shall stop in the outer darkness. (Rev.12.14; Eccle.3.1)

Ps.19-1-4 "Day and Night"

"Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge."

We shall continue with the God's rest covenanted to every bellever. So we find God named the firmament Heaven. He sanctified it as He did the everlasting Covenant with seven 'days'. Day unto day and night unto night from the construction of two entities is same as the formula inserted in Gen.ch.1 at the end of each day. 'And the evening and the morning were etc.,' These entities are in succession and it is derived from the Father of lights. So we have in 19.4 the tabernacle for the sun, referring two great lights to rule the day and night successively.."Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun," The previous verse is echoed in Rom.10.18. "There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard." This tabernacle is set up for the sun which is a sign for the light of the Lamb who is the bridegroom mentioned in v.5. Marriage of the Lamb is come' is established by the Word of God. Advent of the Son and his excellence is mentioned in Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race."(V.5) He is the strong man who has entered into the race. In short the word of God is both sound and also a sign. The tabernacle set by God is not made by hands but a building of God eternal in heaven.(2 Cor.5.1)

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"(Gen.1.14) How do these lights serve as signs. Here we shall just mention the Holy Spirit refers to seasons,days and years which we shall come back to while we analyse the vision of the Woman Clothed with the Sin.(Rev.12.) It is for the blessed. For the rest it is time."To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven." Time, times and a half.

Dear God Father in Heaven, we lift up our hands to You Lord and honor Your Holy Name Jesus Christ. We ask for strength and power to endure what has happened, we ask for peace in the heart and give them strength Lord. We ask for wisdom and understanding so that ways are opened up out of the disabilities that have affected the family. Dear Jesus hear our desperate prayer. Let all who are affected by this understand that You Jesus have helped with all things. So that everyone will praise Your Holy Name from now on and forever, Amen.

Be strong and courageous, and always have praise and love in your heart. Love u in Jesus Christ.

John 8:31-36

Dear God Father in Heaven. God who is. We thank You for all things and honor Your Holy Name Jesus Christ. You see what has happened to these two friends Jesus, You see. We pray that avenues and communications such as letters, telephone calls or visits will be opened up for "Renee gallo" again Jesus. We pray that he will get clarity on this, what has happened to this friend. Thank you Jesus for doing so, Amen in Your Holy Name Jesus Christ, Amen.

Love u in Christ Jesus, Joh 8:31-36 Good luck.

Dear God Father in Heaven, You who sees all and knows all things. We come to You in our need and despair, and pray that our humility is felt by You Lord Almighty Creator. We pray for Aunt Josie who has endured many things, She has taken Your cause Jesus, we remind You of that. She has also helped many people and we thank You for all things. Your strength through everything also that You can help Auntie and get well. We put it on You Jesus. If it is Your will God. Then take this pain away from her, so that she can continue and exalt Your Holy Name where she is. Amen in Jesus Christ Holy Name, Amen

Joh 8:31-36 Love u in Christ

Jesus has to experience everything we as humans do. So he asked that this cup be taken,yet let thy will be done. Jesus was showing us that even he was fulfilling scripture by becoming the sacrificial lamb for all our sins. Jesus constantly quotes the Old Testament to show us that the Bible as a whole is important. Jesus knew the cup would not be taken, but asked anyway. Free will. Jesus knew he had to take on the worst to undoubtedly become the undisputed champ. He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

My aunt josie is sick with cancer, she has been the one that prayed for us when we was in the world, when we was in prison, and when we needed prayer. She preached Jesus everywhere she went, praising Him in good times and bad. She is a good servant and needs comfort and healing, if it be His will, if not, then comfort from the pain. Thank you and God bless you all

Hi, brothers and sisters, the toools we have now, leave no room for excuses, this makes the word so easy to access.

Pray for a lady that I gave to her

Pray for Donna K - Tim V that they will get saved

The News Report is dead Pray for that Family

Pray for a lady that I gave a Gospel Tract today maybe she will get Saved if she is not and go to my church

Pray for a news report that have been shot

Pray for a lady that I gave a tract today at Lowe's store

Thanks for that bro S. Spencer, to which I fully agree. Matthew 3:15, as you quoted, is particularly relevant, as what Jesus proclaimed through His Baptism marked a real turning point, not just to His Life & Ministry on Earth, but would affect both Jew & Gentile alike. As you mentioned, His Baptism & into His Death & Resurrection ended the Levitical priesthood where priests were no longer required ( Hebrews 10:11,12), Jesus Himself becoming our Great High Priest and the Lamb of God for the sacrifice of our sins. No earthly priest could ever fill that role - he could only stand before God with the burnt offerings pleading for the forgiveness of Israel's sins. "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God", and "by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

So Christ's Baptism not only reflected the imminent end of the earthly priesthood, but was also in demonstration before His Father that He would obey Him fully, being sent to fulfil His Will through His substitutionary death for mankind & their sins; and this baptism, unlike that of John's, spoke to John that Jesus came not to him for repentance of any sin within him (for He had none), but for the sake of our sins. So, as Jesus looked forward to Calvary in His Baptism, the believer looks back through his baptism at a marvelous undeserved Work accomplished for him at Calvary. And so "the new covenant, an everlasting covenant" was ushered in, which promises that there can never be another Covenant in the future that would or could make it redundant. God offered us His very best - Himself - that only the Blood of His Son could make a full, lasting & acceptable atonement. Thank you brother for your thoughts on this.

Thank you Lbooth1955.

I believe we are closer than what you think!

As you can probably tell, I am a dispensationalists all so.

I haven't studied much on the kingdom Gospel but I am very aware of it and it's distinction from the mystery later presented by the Apostles, Primary Paul.

Your presentation rung bells.

It's obvious there were OT saints saved under Israel's covenantal framework, where faith was "DEMONSTRATED" by obedience to God's commands.

They were persuaded by the Spirit of Christ and demonstrated it by their works.

1 Peter 1-13 declares the Gospel of grace was preached to the OT prophets with Christ as the author and finish work of their faith.

Verses 9-13 most noticeable.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

The Gospel was preached!

What was left out is the mystery "that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The old testament saints was saved looking forward to the grace that shall come in their Messiah and they demonstrated that by their works in their covenantal framework.

Blessings.

Hello Cordellwbeesr,

If your "battle" is with believing that Jesus is God, may I suggest the following scriptures for your consideration:

Genesis 1:1 along with John 1:1-3, Revelation 19:13, Colossians 1:15-17, Matthew 1:23, John 10:30, John 14:9, Mark 2:5-7, John 8:58, John 20:28, Isaiah 9:6, Philippians 2:5-7, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1:8, 2 Peter 1:1, Revelation 1:8, John 5:18, 1 John 5:20, Luke 24:52, John 9:38, Acts 10:25-26, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:3, Revelation 22:13, Micah 5:2, John 17:5, John 1:14. There are more, but these should suffice.

You mention that "Christians say that there is no separation between Christ and God," and that the bible shows otherwise. Jesus said I and my Father are one, and He also said that if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. This may not mean anything to you, but in the book of Hebrews, Jesus is described as the APOUGASMA (the out beam) of God's glory, God projecting Himself through the time/space factor in the person of Christ. Jesus Christ, being God, was never separated from the source. This is why Jesus can say if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.

The best example I can give would be taking a flashlight in a dark room and shining it on a wall. The flashlight is the source, and the light is projected on the wall from the source. There is no separation unless the flashlight is turned off. Now, imagine the flashlight being God, and the light shining on the wall is Jesus, again, no separation. Jesus is said to be the true light which came down from heaven, the APOUGASMA of God.

If you are sincerely struggling with the deity of Jesus Christ (Him being God), I hope these scriptures I've provided might help. Also, if you would like, I can share my personal understanding on Matthew 26:39 and Luke 22:42 and why Christ would ask this.

If I may ask, are you a Christian? If so, who do you say Jesus is?