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The bible didn't say...

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Be saber be vigilant the adversary, the devil as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour...

Woe unto the pastors who lead my sheep astray...

To continue: Kenneth Copeland said in church that God was the biggest failure of the Bible. How can anyone say such a thing? It is hard for me to even type those words and this man has his own airport, owns several planes, lives in a giant house and in fact, looks demon possessed. Yet, people support him financially. The money just rolls in. He is an absolute quack and laughs at the ignorant people who give to him as the armored truck takes his money to the bank. Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, etc. What good they do is just for appearances, they spread a poisonous false gospel that does nothing but make people doubt the Christ. But you know what? People really are to blame, they need to take seriously what Jesus told us, to meditate on the word, study it, absorb it and like metal being refined in a pot, the bad stuff separates from the good and you can easily spot it. The Holy Spirit within you will send out the warning in your heart and or gut and you will be able to discern. It helps when you have confirmation from other Spiritual leaders, hence asking Chris all these questions I have been asking him. Now Pastors of large churches have much to do, they can't work a full time job or even a part time job because it seems to me when you have a large congregation, you have all kinds of work to do. They need to be paid so they can take care of their bills and their families, Preachers such as the ones I mentioned above and there are many, many more care nothing about God, in fact, I think they hate him. They only care about enriching themselves by feeding on the desperation of people. LIke Jesus warned of the Pharisees, "surely they will have their reward"

Multiplied means one ofter another or extended, many lengthened... that means Lord God almighty slow to anger bear them and expected them to return that is His LOVE toward His chosen ones whether me or you or Israel.

Dan. I understand what you are saying. For example, Benny Hinn is a famous television preacher. He would have these healing crusades and you would see people claiming to be healed when in fact they were not. His ministry was investigated and all those that claimed to be healed of cancer have died. People who followed his crusades from city to city with real infirmities were ignored while others were healed who were not really paralyzed at all. When desperate people are searching for miracles and get a scent of or hear its happening here or there they flock to these places and dish out lots of money. Benny Hinn was raking in a lot of cash and was living like a King. I remember one television preacher was on TV. He looks at the camera and says "if you need a big miracle, you have to sew a big seed" I mean the audacity to sell healing or miracles on television. I believe these men have some explaining to do when they stand before God. As I mature as a Christian and not just read my Bible but study it, I find these people easy now to spot. They fly around in jet airplanes, say outrages things about God and I am amazed that people still sit there and listen, laugh, clap and encourage the false preacher to continue!!!!!!! But then again, the Bible tells us that in the latter days, people won't adhere to sound doctrine but will run around flocking to places that say things they want to hear. These big churches are shows, its all about feelings not substance. False miracles, etc.

I know our Lord still heals people, still raises the dead when one of his children asks him to. Not like we saw in the early church but here and there as he performs his will and answers prayers in conformity to his will. We can ask our Lord for healing, sometimes he does heal, sometimes he does not. but you don't see it like you did in the early church where Jesus and the apostles would heal all brought to him and them. I will continue on another post.

- I would like prayers to find a job in a media library in Brittany, to restore my marriage, find my accommodation and be freed from financial worries and spiritual oppressions! May I learn humility and eat well. May I be a good witness to You Lord !! That I do not fall into flesh and lust. May I not be shameless according to You Lord !! That I speak of all things to the Lord. That I be careful and be decent. Let me not be undecided. That I am sexually pure. That I do not sulk my pleasure. That I practice hospitality. That I save money and earn more money. May I don't force. That I don't overdo it. That I keep the divine commandments. That I am honest and flexible. Let me play the guitar. That I don't hurt anyone. May I have the fear and wisdom of God. That I stop lying, judging people and smoking! Make me humble and break my pride, oh Lord !! Whether I am healed, do not be stressed or distressed. May my relationships be restored. Let the world be baptized with the Holy Ghost. May the separation go as well as possible. May I feel loved by the Lord and know his true nature, may I be happy !! That I confess my feelings to her and contact her, that I have a happy marriage. That I carpool and generous evening. May I not be confused. May I be healed and become kinder. That I fast collectively and feel better, less anxious. That I pay my debts and be justified, that I manage my money. May I intercede for the world and find a church. May I take care of my neighbor and repent of my sins, of my mistreatment. May I be more compassionate and find the passion, the fire for You and my wife, Lord !! Be blessed !

Dear Chris

Thank you very much for sharing your story and I am very happy that you found your way to serve God. In the past my life was very fortunate on many fields but I was ignorant and never acknowledged what God had done for me. Someone else has commented on my post, and only within few minutes after reading couple of posts, James 1 and Jeremiah this morning I have realised how ignorant I was. God was there, giving me opportunity to accept Him, giving me everything I needed but I did not, I was blind to see. Now I am asking God to do it again in my life, to accept my apology and to send someone else in my life who can guide me on His path. I fell that I had big chance but I closed the doors, I never had to ask God twice, he was there for me always, every moment, but I did not know that at the time.

We went looking for a tree, to put in our yard. It was interesting how they wrap burlap around the root structure and can preserve it until the next planting. It transformed my thinking of how the old testament talked about trees planted along rivers of water and how great they could become. Trees have to be one of Gods most profound creations. Their roots run deep and become the actual size of the tree itself. When you see a tree you are looking at the root structure in the ground. When we first come to faith our faith is like a grain of mustard seed. The faith that will grow into the very tree that the fowls of the air shall abide in. The shade that will produce and allow others to rest in! Unwrap the burlap that surrounds your seed. Plant yourself in the word of God, so you might grow into that mighty tree! If you think it is to late to plant remember that He is also able to graft you into himself, that you and I might live in Him forever. This is the tree of life found in Jesus Christ!

Hi Matthew Folkwein

It was really encouraging when I read that you said that God might speak to us through others. I did not know that, but immediately after reading what you said I recollected past times when God did do exactly that but I was not aware until now. This recognition also revealed to me many sins I committed during those times. What you have said brought understanding of something that I kept missing for many years. I feel very sad about it now as I would have acted differently towards God, towards other people and myself. It was somewhere in me but I did not understand what it was - missed messages from God. I cant turn the time back but can only hope that God will not turn His back to me.

Comments by Alex about Isaiah 53 which is tied into the great Promise of multiplication of his seed etc. That Great Promise where the FATHER swore by his very self. This is how JESUS the Sheppard explained it, Smite the Sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my Hand to the littles ones, Little ones imply Children via his seed the Children of Promise ( multiplication ) which is the H.G.that is gonna lead us into all truth(HEALING US ) Spritually and physically. She brought a man Child that is gonna lead us into all truth which is the H.G. the Child of Promise. Even in modern times seeds are beaten that they might produce a bigger crop. The result of his beaten was that the Promise might be fulfilled, That he might be multiplied as the stars of heaven by his seed the living word the very seed of God to whom the word came it made them Gods ( the babes and the sucklings ) which are spirits as GOD is spirit th H.G. THAT CHILD OF PROMISE,Whosoever receives one such child in my name receives ME But had he not died there wd have been only 1 Christ but b/c of his death he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven that was the great Promise thus every man will be healed by his stripes, By his stripes we are healed Bornagain etc That great CROP of his are Gods to whom the WORDS came ( HIS SEED ) it made them Gods. WHEN SEEDS ARE BEATEN THEY MULTIPLY. 39 STRIPES IMPLY A FULL TERM PREGNANCY THE WORLD WILL BIRTH CHRIST B/C OF HIS DEATH. The blood and the water that came out of his side imply a Birth, the little ones Zech speaks of imply our 1st born our only son the Children of Promise via his stripes / death etc but 1st we will have to go thru a time of Mouring for our 1st born our only son the multiplcation of Christ in humanity b/c of his stripes/death.The prophets saw the whole world in travail and birth pains for the Children of PROMISE THE H.G. PROMISE CHILDREN,Thats y he was calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the father to the Children.

This psalm is asserting us that our God will never leave us or Forsake us . Confirmation that He will Show up and Show out!!!

Chris.

Giving. To finish what I was saying. First of all the Lord does not need our money. He can raise whatever he needs to get a job done as evident when he instructs one of his disciples to catch a fish and finding the coin in his mouth. But he wants us to give and be generous such is one of the fruits of the spirit. To be generous. A true Christian will want to give, will want to support the cause and get the gospel out there. A spiritually mature Christian is a giving Christian. Now the less spiritually mature Christian may not. This individual may still be trying to sort this out, it may take time to where they realize the importance of letting go and becoming a part of the team to finance the evangelistic efforts being conducted to fill the great commission. Realizing the word must get out, on radio, television, boots on the ground in various communities. We all know the our Lord looks at the intent of the heart and if a poor man gives a dollar because he wants to contribute and it is what he has and he knows the Lord can take that buck and make something happen because he believes! that is more respectable than the man who reluctantly walks up to the offering plate and throws in his 10 percent because he believes he HAS TO and does so because "that is what he is supposed to do" without the joyful attitude that comes with one who gives because he wants to support and contribute to the cause. I know if I was going on a mission, and I was addressing a group of people, and a dude walked up with a smile on his face and says Spike, here is twenty dollars!!!! go get them!!!! may the Lord be with you and another person walked up with a frown on his face and very reluctantly pulled some bills out of his wallet and could not look me in the eye and slowly moved his hand towards me and said, I guess I am supposed to give you this.....you know what? I would not accept it. I don't want money from someone who is reluctantly giving it.

Hi Freddieo

Thank you very much for you comment and pointing me to James 1which I have read this morning after reading your post. I understand what you are saying, I do get impatient on occasions as sometimes I want to receive something more concrete than having fate alone, but I also understand that it is my problem when doubts arise. I am not hiding that I have occasional doubts but all I can do is continue praying and reading I believe. Thank you again.

Christ. Thank you again for your quick response! I agree with you. Paul made tents to support his way in fact, although I cannot recall which letter it is in, but he makes a comment about not asking for money when he was evangelizing in some certain city but earned his own way to pay for his evangelistic endeavors. I believe he was addressing a magistrate or something like that.

Now, one thing the gospel brought us was freedom, such as Paul said, if you want to honor a Sabbath day, do it but don't force someone else to. Likewise if you don't, don't compel or force someone to honor it. I struggled with that one for a long time until I read what Paul said. I read a lot of literature on if you go to church on Sunday you are falling in line with apostacy because Constantine is the one who changed Christian worship from Saturday or (Sabbath) day to Sunday worship for Christians. That is another subject in and of itself. I know Paul was writing a lot of letters trying to put out fires as Jews crept into the church, pagans, and other false religions trying to pervert and change the gospel. Back to tithing since I became off track. The freedom brought by the gospel seems to be simple. Sure, lets say as a believer, I make a vow to God such as Jacob did in the older Testament. To give a tithe back to God; a tenth. That seemed to be his personal vow to him. Lets say a Christian man, (such as Jacob did), prays to the Lord and promises from now on he will give 7,8,10 or 20 percent of his income, whatever he chooses to give to the Lord! I think that is the correct interpretation of giving as told in the New Testament. You give what you have decided to give, not out of compulsion, but be generous and cheerful about it. Now the hook is out of your mouth dragging you to the offering plate, instead you give on your terms! Frankly the Lord does not need your money, he has ways. I know the Lord wants us to give but he lets it be on our terms.

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Looking at 2 Cor 9, Paul spoke about 'ministering to the saints' for which the Corinthians were well spoken of (v2). That which was collected was for those who laboured in the Gospel & those who were needy in the Church. It's not clearly stated but I believe the elders & helpers in the Church had their own professions & were not supported workers: similar to the Brethren Assembly setup now, so that they were not a financial burden to any. Yet, Paul does speak about both liberal giving & also giving from the heart cheerfully (vv 6,7). So there seems to be a balance of giving for someone's needs but with a mind convinced of the importance of doing so.

Tithing may be a good guide, but sometimes the Lord may lay (& enable) one to give over & above that amount & not be restrained by tithing. So I wouldn't teach tithing except to use it as God's guidance for Israel & a lead in for believers now to be sensitive to the needs of the Church & others, giving according as the Lord has prospered them. This challenge should be the motivation for giving, according to one's faith, ability & burden. I think we might find that more than 10% would be given for the support of the Church & spread of the Gospel in this way rather than by compulsion, which as you say, may be a grievous burden for some. Not everyone has that faith to overextend themselves in giving; but as they mature & prove the Lord faithful in other areas of their lives & being convinced in their hearts that others have a greater need than them, there may just be a special work of Grace in their hearts & lives.

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You bring up some great questions Spike that have not only been discussed extensively on this Site but have also been the cause for much heated debate. Tithing, as with keeping the Sabbath & a meticulous adherence to the Ten Commandments are some of these subjects. But tithing is a worthy subject as, I agree, it is readily taught right from Sunday School to the pulpit. And I believe you're correct in quoting 2 Corinthians chapter 9 to rather support one's liberal & happy disposition in giving rather than the legal constraints of tithing.

Now I don't say that Tithing is wrong in itself as I find that to an enquirer or a new believer, it provides some clarity & guidance as to this mysterious function within Christ's Body. The LORD instituted it ( Deut 12:11) as an appropriate percentage of one's profit from the field, livestock, etc. which involved both for support for the Levites (& in the NT the needy of the Church), but also exercised one's heart in sacrificial giving & identifying with those that were less fortunate. I do keep it in the back of my mind when giving; realizing that giving of one's substance is not just for Church needs, but also for Missions, special projects, & to those that the Spirit lays upon one's heart.

Spike4187

Many church's today treat the church/congregation as a business, and this is in total opposition to Christ's teaching. The tithing, including the 10% rule is a way for the preachers to get gullible christians to feed their greed. I would not give anything to a church like this. Many church's and pastor's are getting bigger and richer everyday. I'm not going to feed a Beast like that.

I agree with you, we should give from the heart to those who are in need. We should give to People that you see IN REAL LIFE that are really in need. Those are the one's that Jesus wants us to help. Not rich church's and rich pastors to live opulent lives.

Too many Christians feed the Beast/Church and the pastors that are wolves.

Proverbs 22:9

"He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor."

Also in Genesis 7 Noah was 600 years old when he went into the ark. So he was in the ark a little over a year.

601 years of Noah's life, at that time in Genesis 8:13. If you go to the next chapter 9:29 all of the days of Noah were 950 years and he died.

I thank you Chris for your wisdom in response to my questions. If I may just ask you one more. Tithing. This again is another subject some disagree on. I cannot find any scripture in the New Testament that commands us to give ten percent of what we earn to the church. What I have found however is what Paul tells us. We are to give what the Lord has put in our hearts to give, not out of compulsion but out of a cheerful generous heart. Many preachers beat their congregations over the head with Malachi. But when you read Malachi, God tells a prophet to go to the Jewish people and tell them they are robbing God. I understand the Levites were not allowed to own land or have businesses and therefore people needed to give money to support the priests and their families and they were not doing that. So God sent the prophet to warn them.

What Paul tells us sounds like something Jesus would say to the people of the New Covenant. You give what is in your heart, you don't do it because of compulsion, for example, I made a thousand dollars therefore I must give 100 dollars. I must give exactly that amount and when some try to follow this alleged rule, they have a hard time giving cheerfully and generously. It becomes a mathematical equation and for most families that live paycheck to paycheck it places a burden on them. I think Jesus would rather you give with a cheerful heart what you can generously afford to give happily and also be able to pay your bills and honor the promises you made to your creditors. I know, and I am sure you do as well of people who reluctantly give because they feel they are sinning and robbing God if they don't give their (10) percent and will neglect to pay a bill with the idea that God will provide the means to pay it. God loves a cheerful giver, but many who follow the ten percent rule do not give cheerfully but the contrary, reluctantly and out of compulsion. What are your thoughts on this matter?

LORD, I have loved the habitation of thy house, and the place where thine honour dwelleth.

The Bible reveals we have a purpose to instruct angels. We think of them as all powerful and indeed they do seem to possess supernatural powers, however, we are not told they were created in the image of God. The nature of evil is in that Lucifer transitioned from being God centered, to self centered. Whatever else that change involved may not be known to us now. As a created being, the sum of knowledge we do know, is a fraction of all there is to know. Rational

thought alone places the Creator over his creation, faith is the key to God's perfect wisdom, which one day will be revealed more perfectly, and thus answer all questions we might speculate on now, in our immature state. The holiness of God is a unique attribute we will never fully comprehend, despite our being in his image. God is, and always will be, the best occupation of our minds, hearts and hands.

I been in a terrible car accident which was my fault and I was pronounced with a broken back in T12, L1,L2 along with 2 slipped disk and 2 herniated disk in my neck along with 56 pinched nerves and have been unable to walk with out a walker and can only walk 100 yards before my arms ang legs start shaking and it take 3-4 hrs. to stop. I have read the New Testament 15 times and read the Old Testament 3 times. I talk to both God and Jesus 2 times a day for 1/2 hr. and seems like nothing is happening I know it states that God is healing us at his own pace but I am getting tired of being totally disable and lately I have been dreaming that I see myself in a white robe standing next to my Mom in heave and there have been times I see myself being tested and see myself falling to Hell. My family and I have tried using Holy Water and drinking grape juice plus Communion Bread for a month and nothing happened to my family and I now my Grand daughter is now having a hard time finding a job and as for my wife and Grandson they are still in the same condition and as for me I am afraid to finished reading the Bible because every time I read it then something happens to me I can only imagine what is going to next so if you please pray for this family and I to start seeing healing happening to each and everyone of us. I have 78 things wrong with me, my wife 20 things, Grand daughter 12 things and my Grandson 4 things so please pray for us that healing starts happening. Amen

please keep me in your prayers today

I see many people have responded to your post already, but some of what you said sent my mind backwards to when I was saved. I had no reason to have any doubts as I had a "Damascus Road" kind of experience as Paul did. When Jesus comes into our life, it doesn't always come with sunshine and a voice from above.

Our spiritual house inside of us must be filled with the Holy Spirit, swept free of anything demons may use as doorways back into your home (not you); finally garnished with Bible study, praise and worship. Fasting from all media and just sitting silent listening for answers to your hearts prayers: for the Holy Spirits voice.

When I read your post: He said 'spirit of Heaviness'. It is demonic and it is sent to destroy your peace and happiness in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit wants to end this interference in your walk with Jesus.

The spirit of heaviness is in the Bible and can be verified by you that it's real. It has fruits that you will recognize as you study this. You nailed it, in what you said in your post. It's nothing be afraid of. The Holy Spirit is encircling you and protecting you; comforting you. He is going to teach you of this. And with His Help, you are going to cast this hindrance out of your life.

I'm going to send you to a website that has an excellent teaching on this. Read it all. You are not afflicted with any mental weakness. But for some reason this thing is holding you back from Gods best for you. Are you into a gospel band or anything like that? Email me after you've read this article, ok?

"Preach the word dot com"

Find the teaching message on: "Deliverance From The Spirit of Heaviness"

By David Legge

(Put a Dot . where I spelled out dot

Someone gave me a couple of tapes by DION: Kingdom in the Streets; and Seasons. Find the albums on YouTube. Demons HATE praise music. It helped me greatly to get free from the heaviness.

Jesus loves you, and the Holy Spirit wants to free you.

Mishael

Hi Ann,

To reply to someone one must click the Reply button below one's comment. It sounded like you were trying to respond to someone so I'm mentioning that.

If I'm reading your comment correctly, it sounds like you're comparing yourself to the Israelites that were enslaved in Egypt and that you in the USA today are much worse off. Did I understand your comment correctly?

If so, I'd like to learn more about why that would be, because I know you have the freedom to read the Bible on this website, which is great- the Israelites didn't have this. Second, you have an internet connection, Third you have a computer, tablet, or even a smart phone in order to view this page- and Israelites who were slaves worked all the time and didn't have such luxuries, and you live in the USA, which is a free country with no slavery. Finally, you are fluent in English which shows you received a modern education, which the Israelite slaves didn't have either. Maybe you have other blessings too- these are just 5 I can deduce logically from your comment. Slavery was and still is a sin of the whole world with nearly all countries involved, including the USA, but most people were against it and that's why they lost the civil war. Everyone from that time died and everyone alive today in the USA is rich, privileged and free, unlike some other countries today. So it is a privileged country to live in with the average citizen making multiples more than the average wage of the world- many want to immigrate there for the great opportunities and the strongest GDP in the world.

Given that, are you truly worse off right now in the modern and free society of the USA than an abused, poor slave in Egypt from thousands of years ago? If you are in captivity, of course call 911. But if maybe I didn't interpret your comment right and if you're not worse off than a slave then maybe you instead have a prayer request? God bless...

Luke 17:34 - Careful study suggests that the faithfull will be with our Lord Jesus on His return. Others will be perished as like in the age of Noah and Lot. The disciples asks where he one shall be taken? The taken shall be perished and eagles will feast on their dead bodies. Revelation 19:21- And the remnant were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of His mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. For our Lord death is a sleep only. John 11:11 - These things said He :and after that He saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth: but I go, that I may awake him. In reality , Lazarus was dead. Thus the death of an unfaithful is a permanent departure from Him.Still it is a sleep. The unfaithfull will be judged after millennium. "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that love not his brother abideth in death. John 3:14.

Hi Robert, please note you were viewing Ecclesiasticus which is a book in the apocrypha, not Ecclesiastes. This page tells you more: Link

I'm 43 I got married young at around 20 my wife then and I had 2 kids but through my lack of maturity and own self indulgence I left and a few years later following a sickness and during my sickness from drug induced psychosis was carted to my ex wife's divorce lawyers I office and told under duress to just sign all the papers even though all I wanted was to try again. My kids now are grown and sh we s engaged to another man biblically can I remarry another woman and if so does she have to never have been married?t

Did St. Francis of Assisi really say this Psalm at the time of his death or was it some other Psalm? Thank you very much in advance.

All the reformers agreed the Anti Christ is the Papacy.