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Hey Lorraine,

Scripture does not tell us when Satan rebelled and lost his rank, when Jesus said I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven, Luke 10:18, Scripture does tell us when he will be cast down permanently with no more access to heaven. He still has access because he is the accuser. When he will be cast out forever is in the future, that starts the tribulation that is coming.

Revelation 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

God bless,

RLW

Amen Luke.

That's easily seen in scripture.

The Church didn't bring on the man child "Christ". Revelation 12:5. and Revelation 19:15-16.

Christ brought on the Church!!

Here's just two of many.

Matthew 16:18.

1 Corinthians 3:10-11.

As you said Israel is the woman and she brought on the man child who is Christ. " Romans 9:4-5."

Also Revelation 12:1. parallels with Genesis 37:9-10. It gives a description of who the Sun and the Moon and the twelve stars are.

Now hold on to your hat!

God bless.

REVELATION 12: WHO IS THE WOMAN?

The WOMAN is all flesh and blood, Christ's bride.

Jeremiah 30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a MAN doth travail with a CHILD? wherefore I see EVERY MAN with his hands on his loins, as A WOMAN in travail, and all faces are turned to paleness.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH again, until CHRIST BE FORMED IN YOU (the Holy Ghost, GOD).

1 Timothy 2:14 .... but the WOMAN (all flesh and blood) being DECEIVED was in the transgression.

1 Timothy 2:15 ....the WOMAN shall be SAVED in CHILDBEARING ....a man child (CHRIST FORMED IN YOU) ...

Revelation 12:1 ... a WOMAN (all flesh and blood, in the AGES TO COME) clothed with GOD, and the CHRIST under her feet, and a crown of 12 stars (angels, ministering spirits) upon her head.

Ephesians 2:7 That in the AGES TO COME .....

WHO IS THE MAN CHILD?

Revelation 12:5 And the WOMAN brought forth a man child, that was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron ... Psalms 2:8-9 .... Psalms 149:9

Revelation 2:27 And he (the MAN CHILD that overcomes DECEPTION) shall rule them with a rod of iron .....even as I received of MY FATHER.

Isaiah 60:22 A little one (Christ) shall become A THOUSAND, and a small one (Christ) a strong nation (TRUE ISRAEL) ....

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I PLEASE, and it shall prosper in the things whereto I SENT IT.

Ephesians 2:7 That in the AGES TO COME ....all will be FULFILLED: GOD will be ALL in ALL .... 1 Corinthians 15:28.

God Bless ALL.

Revelation 12: who is the woman

the woman is all flesh and blood.

jeremiah 30:6 ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with a child? wherefore i see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned to paleness.

galatians 4:19 my little children, of whom i travail in birth again, until christ be formed in you (the spirit of christ, the holy ghost, god).

1 timothy 2:14 .....but the woman (all flesh and blood) being deceived was in the transgression.

1 timothy 2:15 ....the woman shall be save in childbearing .....a man child (christ formed in you), that shall rule all nations.

revelation 12:1 ....a woman clothed with god, and the christ under her feet, and a crown of 12 stars (angels, ministering spirits) upon the woman's head.

ephesians 2:7 that in the ages to come .....

god bless all.

Alex, you have shared on two items that I referred to: the Holy Ghost & Jesus' reference to working while it is still day. I can't deal with both of them here, but will ask just one question to the first matter.

Revelation 12:1 starts with a great spectacle that John saw; that of a woman clothed with the sun, etc., etc. Question: Who is this woman? Unless, she is identified, the rest of your comment on this chapter may or may not change. You've already stated that the "man child" is the Holy Ghost, which I dispute. So to establish an understanding of this account, who is the woman? Thank you.

Amen. Brother S Spencer:

Psalms 2:8 Ask of me, and I will give you the heathen for an INHERITANCE, and the uttermost parts of the world for thy POSSESSION.

Psalms 2:9 And thou shall BREAK THEM with a ROD of IRON (the word of God); thou shall DASH THEM IN PIECES (destroy their carnal mind) like a potters vessel.

Jeremiah 18 .....And RECREATE THEM .....

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit (Pentecost), THEY ARE CREATED, thou renewest the face of the earth .... Revelation 21:1

Is not this the judgement written: BREAK and RECREATE.

Psalms 149:9 To execute UPON THEM the judgement written, THIS HONOUR hath all his Saints.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Know ye not the saints shall JUDGE the world .... Isaiah 26:9 When thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Revelation 2:26 And he (my BODY) that overcometh and keeps MY WORKS (Christ, the LIFE of the Body) until the end, to HIM (my Body) will I give POWER OVER THE NATIONS:

Revelation 2:27 And HE (my BODY) shall rule them with rod of iron (the word of God) and as vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers; even as I RECEIVED OF MY FATHER .... Psalms 2:8-9

Revelation 12:5 And SHE (the bride of Christ) brought FORTH A MAN CHILD (the Image of Christ) that was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .... this honour hath all his saints.

God Bless You.

Isaiah 9:6

Great decision, to read throughout the Bible!!

Please start with : James 1:5,

It's amazing over many years of reading, rereading & studying, GOD can teach us something new every time. Hopefully you'll continue to read it several times.

Son's of GOD = Genesis 6:2, notice: Genesis 4:26, = John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1, 2

Job 1:6, Job 2:1, = notice the vrs. right before, Job 1:5, & right before, Job 2, Job 1:20-22, Revelation 12:10,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Sister Suze:

You are very knowledgeable in the scriptures, and you didn't get there by not understanding that a great deal of scriptures are symbolised or signified.

Revelation 1:1 .....and SIGNIFIED IT ......

Revelation 12:i And there appeared a great wonder in heaven .....

Is heaven the physical, OR, signified? the word says it's signified.

The woman also is signified, being Christ's church, or his bride.

The wonder IN HEAVEN is a woman, the church, the bride of Christ, YOU ARE HEAVEN, the abode of GOD and Christ at his right hand.

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder IN SUZE; SUZE clothed with the SUN (the Father abiding in SUZE, and the MOON (Christ, the faithful witness IN HEAVEN) under SUZE'S feet, and upon SUZE'S head a crown of twelve stars (an innumerable company of angels, ministering spirits).

Psalms 84:11 The LORD God is a SUN (signified) and shield: the LORD (the sun) will give GRACE and GLORY: no good thing will he (the sun) withhold from them (SUZE) that walk uprightly.

Psalms 121:6 The SUN (the Father) shall not smite thee by day, nor the MOON (Christ, the faithful witness in heaven) by night.

Psalms 89:35 Once have I (the Father) sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

Psalms 89:36 HIS SEED (CHRIST'S SEED)(SUZE the SEED) shall endure forever, and his (Christ's) throne as the SUN (the Father) before me (Christ).

Psalms 89:37 It (Christ's throne, SUZE the throne, set in heaven) shall be established forever as the MOON (Christ), as my faithful witness IN HEAVEN (IN SUZE).

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is MY FAITHFUL WITNESS ......in HEAVEN, in SUZE, this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU ......

God Bless you.

OLD AND NEW COVENANT

These two covenants are as far apart as the east is from the west.

Revelation 21:5 ......I make ALL THINGS NEW ........

In the Old Covenant, LIFE was in the BLOOD.

Flesh and Blood CANNOT inherit the NEXT AGE.

Christ came as a BODY of Flesh and Blood.

John 3:7 .....ye must be BORN AGAIN.

We CANNOT inherit the next age, because we are still flesh and blood.

When this BODY of flesh and blood DIES, it goes back to dust from whence it came.

The LIFE goes back to GOD that gave the BODY LIFE.

1 Corinthians 15:49 ....we SHALL bear the image of the heavenly ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY (Christ) ...

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) ONLY hath immortality ....

1 Corinthians 15:38 God giveth it (the NEW COVENANT IN CHRIST) a BODY as it hath pleased, and to ever SEED HIS (Christ's) own BODY (I AM the RESURRECTION John 11:25)

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

John 3:16 Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the DEATH of this flesh and blood body) BE SAVED .....Delivered.

Revelation 12:1 ...A WOMAN (Christ bride) .....

Revelation 12:2 An she (Christ's bride) being with CHILD cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED (given a BODY to exist in the NEW COVENANT.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man Child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .....

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this age, free will) and keepeth MY WORKS ( Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure), to him will I give power over the nation.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall RULE THEM with a red of iron, even as I received of MY FATHER ( Psalms 2:8-9) ...

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father OF ALL .....

Christ pour out his blood, and the flesh and blood BODY, DIED.

The Father RAISED Christ's BODY from the GRAVE and gave him a NEW BODY.

A Flesh and Bone BODY, the blood no longer the LIFE; but, the LIFE was SPIRIT.

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT (LIFE) ....

God Bless ALL.

GOD IS LIFE and LIFE IS GOD

The BODY is only a vessel that holds THE LIFE OF GOD.

When the body DIES (the wages of sin is death: Romans 6:23) it returns to the dust from whence it came.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 ALL go unto one place; for all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Job 34:15 ALL FLESH shall perish together and man shall turn again into dust.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (LIFE) shall return unto God who gave it.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE SPIRIT .....one LIFE

1 Corinthians 15:38 For God giveth it (the new creation, YOU, Christ resurrected) a body as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his (Christ's) own BODY.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY ....

HELL (Hades) is the grave, where men, the dust of the earth go.

The NEW MAN goes to the presence of God, the Father. as the BODY of Christ resurrected.

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL .......

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he (the new creation) who hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.

Matthew 16:24 .....DENY YOURSELF ......

Colossians 1:27 .....this mystery ......CHRIST IN YOU ..... you the body (of Christ).

John 17:21 That they (new creation) may be ONE, as thou Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they (new creation) may be ONE IN US ....

Revelation 12:2 And SHE (the church, Christ's bride) being with child (the new man) cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to BE DELIVERED.

Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the death of this body of flesh) BE SAVED ....... DELIVERED.

May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear.

God BLESS.

Revelation 12:3 - And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

There are a lot more dragon scriptures if you use this website SEARCH BOX out on the red entry page. Use the top box.

Also Nelson Walters has some recent videos on the 7-headed Dragon in scripture.

The BLESSON Tribulation Movie has the dragon in it. It's 60 minutes, from Genesis to the Millennium. It moves real fast :D

Wina

Satan walks upright on two legs today, the same as in the time of Adam and Eve.

Who is the most subtil of all the beast of the field that God hath made, that walks on two legs?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from walking to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it.

2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit that now worketh in the children of obedience:

Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT (of you) devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world was CAST OUT ......

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you.

God Bless You.

I'm curious to why you're asking? I may be able to help more with the reasoning of the thought behind the question.

I think some have interpreted: Revelation 12:4, not as "stars" in concordance in this website; defined ="star"

Hints of more= Mark 13:25

Thank you, Jesse.

God is true to His words. I stop thinking. Surely understand to walk in Spirit.

My heart already literally stopped last year due to COVID and yet God brought me back. I know I still have things to do for His Glory.

Deuteronomy 33:25

Thy shoes shall be iron and brass; and as thy days, so shall thy strength be.

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There is none like unto the God of Jeshurun, who rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.

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The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

2 Corinthians 9:8

And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Revelation 12:11 KJV

Agape

I've understood it to be similar to Simon called Peter: Matthew 4:18, Matthew 10:2, different than Acts 8:9, & Luke, Acts 10:18, Acts 13:1, Acts 13:9, Acts 14:2, notice in Acts, the same book, there are multiple names referenced even a wind, Acts 27:14, Acts 27:8, Hebrews 11:18,

Matthew 1:6 Jesus called Christ, John 4:25, Luke 6:15, John 1:42, John 11:16, not Colossians 4:11,

Romans 2:17, Romans 7:3, same supposed writer as Acts , also Romans 9:26

Matthew 26:14, Luke 23:33, John 19:13, John 19:17, Acts 6:9, Revelation 11:8,

Revelation 12:9,

Luke 2:4, Luke 8:2, John 21:2, different than Acts 9:11,

Acts 1:23, Acts 9:36,

Colossians 3:15, 1John 3:1,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

Sons of GOD : Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Revelation 12:10, John 1:12 "But as many as receive him, to them gave he power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on his name:"

Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of GOD, they are the sons of GOD."

Philippians 2:15 "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."

1John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."

Matthew 5:16, Luke 8:19, Matthew 23:9, John 20:17, John 4:23, John 16:28, Matthew 6:7-34 did you notice how many times GOD is referenced as "our, your Father " in that portion of chapter 6? Matthew 7:11,

Mark 3:33-35,

1John 3, Romans 8:29,

Contrast = John 8:41-47, 1John 2:23, Matthew 3:9

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

Continued Hebrews 4

What is the Gospel message in it's entirety?

We are saved by grace through faith and sanctified by the Holy Spirit who changes our character and imputes Christ's righteousness to us so that we may be obedient to God's law - we cannot do it in own strength and we are not saved by doing it. We are motivated to do this firstly because we love God and then out of a consequence of being saved.

Revelation 14:12 describes God's people as follows ' Here is the patience of the saints, Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ'.

Keeping the Moral of Law of God does not save us, only Grace does. Revelation 14:12 tells of a people who faithfully endure to keep the commandments of God as an outcome of faith. Jesus says in John chapter 15:10 - 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Furthermore Paul clarifies the relationship between Grace, Law and obedience - Romans 6:1

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

God's last day remnant people are also identified in Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan in these final days is waging one last mighty global war against God's law to establish his false kingdom, challenging God's authority and His last remnant children who keep the commandments of God and whose lives testify that they belong to Jesus which testify to His renewing power and miraculous changing of human character from one of being sin sick to

living in freedom in the spirit and obedience to God.

J. D. Riles:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE .......

Most DO NOT have knowledge of the Kingdom of God.

Ephesians 4:4 ......ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ......

Ephesians 4:6 ....ONE GOD and Father of ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .......

John 14:6 ....I AM TRUTH .....I AM LIFE ......

John 17:21 That they may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you: that they may ALSO BE ONE IN US .....

Christ is a BODY that HOLDS the LIFE of his Father.

John 5:19 ....the SON can do NOTHING of himself ....

John 5:30 ...I can of mine own self DO NOTHING .....

WE are a BODY that HOLDS CHRIST (the life and truth of our Father).

John 15:5 .... for without me you can do nothing .....

What happen at the CROSS of Calvary?

Sinful flesh was crucified (all mankind died that day); three days latter all mankind was raised a NEW CREATION.

Matthew 8:22 ...let the dead bury the dead ......

They now have the LIFE OF CHRIST:

BUT they have NO KNOWLEDGE.

1 Timothy 4:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the LIGHT .....

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH IT (the new creation) a body as it hath PLEASED HIM: and to every SEED HIS (Christ's) OWN BODY.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in YOU ....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that WORKETH IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

To be BORN AGAIN is to come to TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE and LIFE.

Christ is the LIFE IN YOU, and Christ CANNOT SIN.

Revelation 12:9... and Satan who deceiveth the whole world was cast out ....

You are either the TEMPLE of SATAN: dwelling in deception, with no knowledge.

OR:

You are the TEMPLE of God: dwelling in truth and light and the LIFE OF CHRIST.

Psalms 82:6 For I have said: Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....

We die daily to deception and are daily being born again of truth.

God Bless you!

Dear Ms. Wilson: I thought it would be prudent to mention that even Paul was "buffeted" by a thorn in the flesh from Satan. Other verses state that when we are weak; then (in the Spirit) we are strong; and His grace is sufficient ( 2 Cor. 12:9). Since God chastises all He loves; our motives are tested that reflect who is truly "King of our hearts". The allurement of the world; flesh and devil WILL overwhelm us if we don't have a firm foundation as seen of those in the parable of the seed who have the cares of this world cause them not to bring fruit to maturity.

We are to have complete trust in God; along with renouncing any known sin that gives the enemy a legal foothold. The accuser of our souls is stated in Revelation 12:10 to be at work; and he doesn't rest day and night as a roaring lion (see James). When we are saved; we realize that Christ has indeed overcome and we are in reality in our new nature dead to sin; while simultaneously struggling with our old flesh nature. Demons will install thoughts in our minds that SEEM like euphoric emotions that our natural man can relate to and mimics our own thoiught patterns. When we test the spirits; however; we see what the reality is. We are to expect to be hated and despitefully treated; as a servant is no greater than his master ( Matthew 10:24). The enemy will use thoughts; and other people to go after us. Sinners (including us) are enemies to God and when Christ is seen people will either be drawn to Him or repulsed. We as believers are not to conceal sin; but remove ourselves from it; as well as confessing when we have hurt others for forgiveness so that we don't get a hardened heart. Satan also likes to convince us that we are still helpless; and tries to get us to break off fellowship; as well as oppressing many saints. I sense that he likes to convince us we will have to go through the Tribulation as well. Time is getting short; I pray that you will allow God to strengthen you.

Back in those days Satan was allowed to traverse dimensions de facto for so did GOD. GOD a just, fair righteous GOD for every negative there is a positive. Satan and angels (messengers) good and bad traversed earth unnoticed for they are in our exact image, some are still allowed by GOD Hebrew 13:2. In the temptation of CHRIST, HE ordered Satan behind HIM ( Luke 4:8) and that is where Satan is held by Michael until he is cast out again to be here defacto along with the 7k that refused to be born of woman to reign for 5 months. The 7k fallen angels were here defacto impregnated the women to corrupt the seed of Abraham from which umbilical cord to umbilical cord CHRIST would come. Satan's spirit is still allowed and other evil spirits to possess people but they are no longer allowed to traverse dimensions in person until 6th trump ( Revelation 12:7). We know this because CHRIST and the disciples cast out many. Disciples had trouble with a stubborn one; the lunatic -Satan's very spirit. GOD allows this; for HE wants us to defeat them; CHRIST gave us the power to defeat all our enemies as long as we have CHRIST as head of us. Luke 10:19. If we discern a evil spirit we are to not argue with them but rebuke them Jude 1:9

I believe you're correct, we don't have any specific reference to Satan in the NT having access to Heaven. Apart from the one I quoted ( Revelation 12:10) which speaks of Satan accusing us before God, I have no idea as to how far he is able to proceed towards God, or even if his accusations against us arise from Earth. Clearly, the NT doesn't speak on this subject, rather on his afflictions upon God's people. Sorry, I can't give you much help on this.

Brother S Spencer:

I know that you and I disagree, but I also know this is of God.

Christ said I will set brother against brother, etc.

This has a PURPOSE.

NOTE: The notion that there is no Hell and no Satan comes from the same Evil source that told Eve she shall not surely die.

What was that source?

Who is this Satan?

In Genesis it says he is the most subtil of all the beast of the field.

Psalms says man differs not, than a beast of the field.

Man is the most SUBTIL, of the BEAST.

Job said Satan came in with man to present himself to God.

God ask Satan where he had been?

Satan said walking to and fro on the earth.

Satan is not a spirit, Satan is flesh.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful (Satan the great deceiver) above all things, and desperately WICKED ...

2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ......and destroyed by God's words and God's coming, the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 12:8 And the earth helped the woman, and open her mouth (the Grave) and swallowed up the dragon ...

Revelation 20:1-2 Satan was bound in the GRAVE (pit) ...

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expire (the age of grace) Satan shall be loosed out of his PRISON (the grave, the second resurrection). To deceive once more: these resurrected still have a heart of stone, the WICKED and deceived.

Then Judgement, and creation given a heart of flesh.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth (being raised back up) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LIFE of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

God Bless YOU!

Hello Margo. One cannot comment with great clarity or certainty on a matter that is contained in a couple of chapters in Job. From what I read, it appears that Satan did have access to Heaven, as he did on these occasions, but was he allowed right into God's Presence or was his access limited? We know that he is still a spirit being so movement on Earth or in the heavens is not limited. But God does set bounds for spirit & human beings, so it may well be that we can assume this here also.

In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.

How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).

Hey Dawn Pattison,

Revelation 1:5 is about Jesus; He is the prince of the kings of the world. The word prince used is the Greek word archon meaning; ruler, governor, leader, leading man, no authority higher. God placed Jesus above all, Philippians 2:9, and He will reign until all enemies are put under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25.

Michael is one of the chief princes, the only one called archangel, Jude 1:9 and the prince of the people of the house of Israel, Daniel 10:13-21. At the end we see that Michael will stand up, Daniel 12:1, also in Revelation 12:7-12 Michael and other angels cast Satan out of heaven down to this earth permanently.

God bless.

RLW

Wesley's Notes for Revelation 12:7

And there was war in heaven - Here Satan makes his grand opposition to the kingdom of God; but an end is now put to his accusing the saints before God. The cause goes against him, verses 10, 11, Revelation 12:10-11 and Michael executes the sentence. That Michael is a created angel, appears from his not daring, in disputing with Satan, Jude 9, to bring a railing accusation; but only saying, The Lord rebuke thee. And this modesty is implied in his very name; for Michael signifies, Who is like God? which implies also his deep reverence toward God, and distance from all self - exaltation. Satan would be like God: the very name of Michael asks, Who is like God? Not Satan; not the highest archangel. It is he likewise that is afterward employed to seize, bind, and imprison that proud spirit.

People's Bible Notes for Revelation 12:7,8 And there was war in heaven. The woman had been seen in heaven, and there she is seen to be assailed. She has, however, a champion who fights her battles.

The angel Micheal is called ( Dan. 12:1) a "prince"

Hi Suze. You are correct, as you noted that Isaiah chapter 14 is written against the King of Babylon (just as Ezekiel chapter 28 pertains to the Prince/King of Tyre/Tyrus).

In both accounts, you will note that those monarchs were elevated to an incredibly high position, both in terms of their kingdoms (Babylonia & Phoenicia), their wealth & power, & also in their own eyes. Yet, we see some strange descriptions of them which simply cannot be applied to an earthly ruler (e.g. falling from Heaven, I will ascend into Heaven, exalt my throne above the stars of God. And to Tyre: having been in Eden, anointed cherub, perfect in all thy ways till iniquity was found in thee).

Some see that none other than earthly rulers are spoken of here, but others see the reason for their pride, belief in their invincibility, & eventual downfall of these kings as pertaining to the spirit that controlled them. It is as when Jesus spoke against Peter ( Matthew 16:23); Jesus was certainly looking at Peter, but heard Satan's voice coming through again (as in Matthew 4:3-10), a spirit pressing Peter to blurt out those words that were in opposition to Jesus' Words that the Cross was truly God's Plan. When one utters words that are contrary to God's Word, believing them to be true, those words are Satan-generated, for the enemy will always seek to distort the Truth (remember Eden?).

Even Jesus spoke about Satan's fall from Heaven in John 10:18, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven", though unsure whether Jesus specifically quoted the Isaiah passage. Yet, there was that occasion when Satan & his angels were cast out from Heaven ( Revelation 12:9; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6). Therefore, I too understand that those OT passages have references to both those rulers, but also to the satanic spirit that moved in them, hence the very specific references to Satan being cast out as well. And yet, Satan will once again manifest himself mightily in the person of Anti-Christ ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4).

That question involves a sense of one and the same when the accuser torments us and puts us in bondage. Obviously; as Romans 5:10; Colossians 1:21 and other verses indicate we all were enemies of God and remain so until we are Born Again.

It seems with Satan's role as the "accuser of the brethren" ( Revelation 12:10) that he focuses more on those who are saved than the rest of the world-for several reasons. For one thing; being the god of this world" (Corinthians) that men being already under his spell are better to not fear reality. Undoubtably; the enemy has learned that when the fear of God comes on someone as to their spiritual state they are more likely to turn to God. If the enemy of our souls affects us it starts in our minds; and when a weakness is exploited that leads to sin the carrot as it were switches to the accusations and oppression. It is because of our sin that he has legal authority to accuse us. He may also buffet us as occurred with Paul; or use people to go after us. This is; of course no battle to seek alone-we must trust God that Christ is sufficient-it is He who remains faithful even when we are not ( 2 Tim. 2:13). If we are rendered useless to produce fruit spiritually; that is enough to kill off our witness.

We need to understand that all our good works apart from Christ is "filthy rags" ( Isaiah 64:6). If we do have a healthy appreciation of that; we also need to see us as having a new nature (if truly we have examined ourselves in Christ to see if we are in the faith). The way to do this is to recognize His voice; and I pray that you can do that today. There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We; however fall at His feet realizing our unworthiness and undeservedness of His mercies. We still are capable of sin; but in Christ that is not truly who we are as our identity; but we are dying daily to self.

He chastises all He loves; that is different than destruction of His enemies.

Hi Cathy,

the "I wills' of satan are in Isaiah 14:13,14. The other portion you mentioned is from Revelation 12:7!

Blessings!

Is this the verse you're thinking of

Revelation 12:7-9 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is another verse that talks of Lucifer's fall, Isaiah 14:11-15

Psalms 23,

Rod: Exodus 4:17,

Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,

Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,

Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,

Hopefully these are helpful