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a mountain can be many things in life. I have been able with the help of God to move many mountains in my life and do believe that parables are meant to make us think and open our heart and mind.. God is good all the time even when we are climbing that mountain.

The truth is that the devil dint want it in theBible but of course God made sure it appears atleast below &in Mark 9:29

I do believe fasting was in the original manuscript.
I know by own experience in the ministry of deliverance, that fasting is necessary in various cases.
The term fasting is in the Majority Text (Byzantine Text) and in the Textus Receptus and found in the text that is used by the Greek Orthodox Church both in Mathew 17: 21 and Mark 9: 29.

To have faith to move a mountain is beyond faith. It in a knowing without one synapse nerve impulse of doubt.

i'm just a casual reader, but the prophecy of elias coming first to restore all things seems pretty weak if it could be fulfilled by a guy named john who baptized a few people and then had his head cut off.

Faith is everything in momentarily. That comes by hearing and hearing the voice of God and believing what you can't see. Then you will see, come true and it will come to p***.(habbakuk 2:2-3)

This is one of my fsvorite verses!! It has always appealed to me, because I ALWAYS thought it would be cool to move a mountain.

Faith is a currency in time, used to buy that which exists in eternity.

Jesus said “Elias truly shall come first to restore all things”. People missed the Elijah of their day. Have you recognized the Elijah God sent us for this age?

In verses 12 and 13, Jesus was saying that Elias had been reincarnated into John the Baptist. This proves that what was shown to me was merely the truth, and that is all of the five main religions are based around it. When will mankind open the eyes?

@Eliyahu,
Verse 12 can only refer to 2 prophetic prophets:
1. Reference to John the Baptist who would have been Elijah as one crying in the wilderness preaching of the coming (kingdom) Messiah Jesus Christ to save his people (Jews). John was arrested by Herod, put in prison and beheaded. Jesus did not resurrect John as he will do with Elijah and Moses in Revelation 11:12, who are the two witnesses preaching the coming kingdom as was John. The Jews rejected Jesus in 1st advent ( John 1:11). John was not resurrected because of the Jews rejection of Jesus and so John did not become in typology Elijah of Revelation 11:1-12;
2. Elijah and Moses will come before Jesus in the 2nd advent ( Matthew 17:1-13) preaching the everlasting kingdom and be killed (beheaded) and be resurrected ( Revelation 11:1-12).

@Afriyie,
I believe that this verse has been removed from certain versions because some so called translators (I believe are not authorized by God) have decided that everything is done by faith and that prayer and fasting is not a New Testament church age function. It takes great faith to participate in prayer and fasting.

@Afriyie,
The best explanation on why certain versions of the bible remove or add to God’s holy word (King James 1611 version) is the men behind these versions are bold enough to usurp authority over God’s authority. Men have been doing so since 1881 under the umbrella of reasoning that they are doing society a tremendous service of providing (or perverting) man with easier to read and understandable versions (I dare not call them bibles) sometimes good men of God doing the devil’s work with good so called intentions. All they really have accomplished is to add confusion and doubt into the very simplicity that is in Jesus Christ ( II Corinthians 11:3). There is still a remnant that believes in ( II Corinthians 2:17). Take heed from Revelation 22:18, Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6.

@Afriyie,
Most of the times translators of such versions of the Bible often provide reasons which motivated the deletion. You can find those reasons in margin commentaries.
God bless you.

Why do other bibles remove this verse and other verses. WHY?

without faith, it is impossible to please God.

If this verse was not in the original then why add it. I thought you wasn't to add to or take away. God had it writen the way he wanted. Man is always messing things up like remembering the Sabbath not Sunday. I wonder how much our ancestors has lets us down throughout the years

You have to put trust in god.

The two manuscripts mentioned by Nannoulou, "Codex "Sinaiticus,Alpeh" and "Codex Vaticanus, B" are based upon corrupted Egyptian/Alexanderian manuscripts/texts, Westcott and Hort and Bruce Metzger(co-editor of UBS's Critical Greek Text). The drive and brains behind this blatant attack upon the King James Version is none other then Westcott and Hort. Their Bio's are in the streams of obtainable information/knowledge for any and all seekers of truth as it relates to our Creator God. May the Blessings of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ be upon all who read this post!

On my earlier comment. It's ok for the translators to use shekel for the text; however, it's wrong for the Bible commentator not to know what the shekel symbolizes.

It is part of a parable. After his disciples have been called and leave behind their old nets they will go fishing for people using the net of the good news! The temple tax was supposed to be used to keep His Father's house clean. Jesus tells Peter to go to the lake and cast a line. Peter is to go to the lake, instruct the convert in the good news and take him up from the waters in baptism. What is the 'weighty' thing drawn from the mouth of the newly baptized? The translaters of the Greek of course assume it is a coin since one sheckle, 'the weighty thing,' would mean that Jesus is offering the temple tax for both Peter and Himself; but the thing that is 'weighty' is the praise and thanksgiving that comes forth of the mouth of the newly baptized. The cleansing of the temple that Christ desires is for gratitude and thanksgiving to be given to his Father!

matt.7:27, is a verse i believe that can give you something which you need by believing that Jesus is speaking to you that, your first job that you will have, give some part of your salary to your friends, to yourself and also to Jesus.

This is an extremely interesting detail which explains illegality of taxes that every government today takes from its citizens; taxes (about 10%) are to be taken only from conquered nations, what is the rule that is explained in Mk 12:17.

It is so so simple. Pray, believe and have faith that Jesus is the son of god. When you are a child of God you will not want to sin so therefore will not be as much sin.Jesus is the light of the world and we will have more light
in our life as a child of God.
Matthew 17:20.

It seems that this verse ( Matthew 17:21) does not appear in some of the very oldest manuscripts that are available to us. For example it does not appear in the Sinaitic code or the Vatican code manuscripts - for this reason some translations omit it entirely as it seems that it was added later on and not part of the original.

While I agree that fasting may be a good thing - we should not add to or take away from the Holy Writings however good our intentions may be.

Jesus was speaking to me straight that if i have faith to him nothing will be impossible to me.
Amen

Mark 11:20-26 And Jesus answering saith unto them, have faith in God. Surely Jesus will not answer your prayer if you have doubt in your heart, and when you read the whole passage, Jesus pointing out only one sin in man's life that impossible him to do without faith. That is why He ended up His message, but if ye do not forgive, neither will your heavenly Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. Removing the mountain, unrooted the mustard tree, casting out possessed by demons really impossible to do it, without a prayer, remember God will not answer your prayer if you can't forgive your brother's sin. See also Luke 17: 1-6Matthew 17:20-21. God bless you...

Joe- Pity I don't need, answers I do need. I'd like to know what you mean by "going in every different direction" and "jumping from text to text". The chapters and verses I quoted, are fact. Or is it just mistakes written in the Bible. Whatever it is Joe, you have to admit it makes you wonder if the clear verses are condradictions or mistakes that man have written themselves. You yourself need to open your eyes. The writtings are so clear even an Intelligent child will pick it up. I do believe in our Almighty God, the creator of the universe, heavens and all thats in between. It is God and God alone we need to give thanks too and praise him each moment of everyday and night for the blessings he has bestowed on us, to prostate in prayer as he commanded Abraham, Moses and every prophet to do. Genesis 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," Exodus 34:8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. Joshua 5:14 And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him. Matthew 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. Matthew 26:39 And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed.
To give elms to the poor. Proverbs 28:27
He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses. Luke 14:12-14
Jesus advised hosts to invite the poor to their banquets because then God would bless them.
God is great

Is JESUS restrited, no!!!! We put a restrictiion on GOD'S blessing and healing power with our unbelief.

the bible say grater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. from glory to glory .he is the light we are in the light so we are the children of light.