Amen, brother, thank you. Obedience is the evidence of our faith; we cannot ignore all of the Scripture on enduring and overcoming. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, 1 Corinthians 13:7, Hebrews 12:7, James 1:12, 1 John 2:13-14, Revelation 2:7,11,17,22, Revelation 21:7. I could list more, but just these cannot be ignored, and if we do, we are deceived.
Satan has not yet been confined in the bottomless pit, so Revelation 20:3 has not occurred. This will happen after Jesus returns, the first resurrection, the Battle of Armageddon, and the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire. You can read Revelation 17, 18, 19, and Revelation 20:1-6.
The short season you said was in Revelation 20:6 may be referring to Revelation 12:7-12. In Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels are cast down to earth with no more access to heaven. Revelation 12:12 states he knows he has only a short time.
My understanding is that this short time lasts three and a half years, also 42 months or 1260 days, often referenced in Revelation as the period of great tribulation involving Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. We also see reference to it in Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, and Revelation 7:14. I hope this helps.
Revelation and the prophecies about the end days require study and prayer; many different interpretations exist.
Deuteronomy 4:30 "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;"
Revelation 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
Matthew 24:9"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."
Mark 13:24-27 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light," "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken." "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory." "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
Mark 4:17 "And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended."
Deuteronomy 4:30 "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;"
Revelation 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
Matthew 24:9"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."
Mark 13:24-27 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light," "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken." "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory." "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; ( Deut. 4:30).
The preceding versions discuss the diaspora among all nations; and this verse is followed with verse 31
31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
At the end of the Tribulation we read this in Ezekiel 20:37-38
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
Thus we see the final fulfillment of this in Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. The time of "Jacob's trouble" will accomplish this
as Jeremiah 30:7 states
"Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."
There are going to be some physical survivors of that time as illustrated in other scriptures. Mark 13:14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation'[a] standing where it[b] does not belong-let the reader understand-then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
We need to familiarize ourselves with the Word as there are hundreds of relevant scriptures whose ultimate fulfillment is nigh.
God will fulfill His ultimate plans; but it is hard to say what twists and turns will occur; and what the state of our nation will be once the Tribulation begins. I would argue a lot depends on whether we are Babylon the Great.
There is always a remnant saved; we see this here; in Exodus and Revelation 2 and 3.
Hello everyone. Is something missing in the New Testament. Could it just be the work of salvation or is it deliberately avoiding the subject al together? Why do people go astray? We know that sin begins in the heart. Thinking that the head is involved in forming a sin. Mat 15:19 And remember, the mortal sin is not believing in Jesus. And Romans 6:14 There are indeed people who are believers but who avoid the scriptures because Heb 4:12
The Lord God created all things. All things..
Good and bad, joy and sorrow, Isaiah 45:7 So we see these days that people don't want to hear this. They preach a God who is just compliant, sensibly agreeing with all the inconveniences that people find it okay to live in. The narrow path does not exist and everything is permitted. This is where we as Christians have a responsibility ourselves. Words that Jesus mentions are washed away with dust on a porch. But the fact is that the word shall never pass away Mat 24:35 and Mark 13:31 Words that all believers should think carefully about. If you have something like this in your life.Then throw it away, throw it into the deepest darkness, never take it back. Mark 7:21 and Mat 15:19 These words are very important, because we know that God created all things. ALSO all the Spirits small and great. Remember He saw everything when He created everything. Look at the different creatures in the animal world. Only there do we see that there is no fault with the imagination of the Lord. And not least the inequalities we people have. That's why we have to be alert to all things that are jarring. For example: You see your neighbor rolling a big cabin cruiser up the driveway to his beautiful house. And you feel a hint of envy. Because you've never even had a small dinghy. Right there! You have to be careful. Throw away the thought, preferably before it comes or before you think it! Such small pricks become big problems in the end.And harder for us to reveal
Regarding the return of Jesus, I only see in Scripture that He returns once. As seen in 1 Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28, John 14:3, Acts 1:11, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 19:11-21, through Revelation 20:1-6, is the same event when Jesus returns, and it occurs after the tribulation of the beast. My understanding is that there is only one Day of the Lord, and that is when Jesus returns.
Regarding the Messiah, I have never asked a Jew about their understanding of it. What I have previously read about Jewish faith is that one day a charismatic Jewish leader, the anointed of God, a man with the characteristics of God, a direct descendant of the Davidic line, will gather Jews from around the world, and bring them back to the Land of Israel and restore the kingdom ridding them of all oppressors.
That was what they were looking for during the time Jesus was here during His 3.5-year ministry, a human conqueror. The disciples were looking for Him to set up the kingdom; they even asked Him after He was resurrected, Acts 1:6-7. They were looking for what we see will happen in the millennium when Jesus returns to earth.
It was mainly the leaders of Jerusalem who did not see or did not hear, which caused blindness in part to happen to Israel, who rejected Jesus; many accepted Jesus as the Messiah while He was here. The leaders of Jerusalem played a prominent role in turning the crowds against Jesus, and it was the nation of Israel as a whole that rejected Him. And today, most Jews do not believe the Messiah has come.
I know we may not agree, but I hope I answered your question.
This subject has been discussed before, and I don't reply to cause debate, but in my heart, I feel it is deception that people may be looking for something that is not coming. In Matthew 24, Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you." I would like to point out a few things that may be considered for study in pursuit of the truth. The Rapture doctrine, where the Church is taken to heaven before the second coming of Jesus, does it fit scripture? If Daniel 9:25-27 has been fulfilled, how does that affect the Rapture doctrine?
Each one of us is accountable- Romans 14:12.
There are two resurrections: the first in Revelation 19:11-21 through Revelation 20:1-5. This aligns with what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.
When Jesus returns, it will be with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19, and in Matthew 24, Jesus sends His angels to gather His elect. We see in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, and Luke 21:25-28.
When Jesus returns, the Battle of Armageddon occurs, Revelation 16:13-16, Ezekiel 39:11-22, Revelation 19:17-19, and the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20-21. Satan is imprisoned in the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3, and judgment occurs for those in the first resurrection on earth, Revelation 20:4, not in heaven, then the 1000 years, Revelation 20:5-6.
I do not know of any Bible verses that agree with the rapture of the Church?
Many traditions are followed, but do they line up with Scripture? The week Jesus was crucified, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the first day of the week, which would have been the 10th of Nisan. This would be the same day the people were to put up the lamb that would be sacrificed on Passover Day, the 14th of Nisan, Exodus 12:3. The money changers were selling animals for the Passover and other sacrifices. They were also exchanging money for the temple tax or tribute; it had to be a half-shekel.
Each day is recorded in Matthew 21 through Matthew 27:56, Mark 11:1 through Mark 15:41, Luke 19:28 through Luke 23:49, and John 12:1 through John 19:37.
John 12:1 John states it was six days before Passover when they arrived in Bethany, and the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, which was five days until Passover. Today, this day is referred to as Palm Sunday, the first day of the week.
Day one, 10th of Nisan, Jesus rides into Jerusalem, casts out the money changers and returns to Bethany, and lodges there, Matthew 21:1-17, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:1 through Luke 23:49. Luke does not cover the back and forth to Bethany, and John 12:1-50, John then picks up at the Last Supper.
Day two, 11th of Nisan, shows Jesus going back to Jerusalem, the fig tree, casting out the money changers again, just like the first Passover He attended in His three and a half years' ministry, John 2:14-16. The plot started with how to kill Jesus, Matthew 21:18-Matthew 25:46, Mark 11:12 through Mark 13:37, Luke 22:38. Matthew, Mark, and Luke cover Jesus' teachings in the temple, parables, and the Olivet discourse.
Day three, 12th of Nisan, is two days until Passover, Matthew 26:2-13, Mark 14:1-2. The plot to kill Jesus got more intense.
The most dangerous thing in the Bible is being deceived by false prophets, false apostles, false accusers, false witness and false Christs . Satan will use anyone to do his work in deception.
Jesus warns his Twelve Disiples of people that will say bad things against them.
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against youfalsely, for my sake.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false prophets.
Matthew 7:15
Beware offalseprophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false witness.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts,falsewitness,
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false prophets.
Matthew 24:11
And manyfalseprophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false Christs.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arisefalseChrists, andfalseprophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false witness.
Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bearfalsewitness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false Christs and false prophets.
Mark 13:22
ForfalseChrists andfalseprophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false witness.
Luke 18:20
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bearfalsewitness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Loretta, I am sorry for the confusion but I initially placed part B in the wrong place.
HERE IT IS NOW:
PART B
You may have noticed that something happens before his demons abuse you. There is either a scent / smell/ noise, sound, a sudden odd taste in your mouth, a flutter against your skin etc. They do this to announce themselves and also to get permission from you. When you say nothing because you do not know they do not care. They see your silence as permission.
So the second you hear or smell or taste or feel; speak out loud; THE LORD YESHUA REBUKES you with fire. Then immediately begin to read the bible verses that you wrote. Do this in your mind. Keep it up for a good 30 minutes. I promise you the neighbor is going to run out of his house. But you don't stop.
You need weaponry. Remind yourself what the full armor is [ Ephesians 6:10-18]
So go to Youtube and play this [Prayers that Route Demons] 24/7 . Find the one with the written prayers and say it along with the video. [Buy the book if you can] Do this every day. Do not stop. People who are committed to evil do not stop. They are dedicated.
Choose the time to play it aloud. Midnight is a great time as this is the time when wicked people start their nonsense. But at sundown or sunrise is good also as these are time of change and new beginnings. I am suggesting these times because these are 3 of the 7 original prayer watches of the Hebrews.[ Mark 13:35]
In the meantime. Go through your house and remove every occult item from your house including crosses, virgin marys [ Exodus 20:4] masks; things that you may have picked up on holidays made in heathen nations and dedicated to heathen gods etc . Confess for having these items in your home.
Dedicate your space to YAH/GOD. How does that look? Imagine HIM to be there , as HE actually is there with you [ Ephesians 1:22]. Do not do, or say anything in your space that would displease HIM. Crazy music, sexually explicit, violence , wicked movies etc
You may have noticed that something happens before his demons abuse you. There is either a scent / smell/ noise, sound, a sudden odd taste in your mouth, a flutter against your skin etc. They do this to announce themselves and also to get permission from you. When you say nothing because you do not know they do not care. They see your silence as permission.
So the second you hear or smell or taste or feel; speak out loud; THE LORD YESHUA REBUKES you with fire. Then immediately begin to read the bible verses that you wrote. Do this in your mind. Keep it up for a good 30 minutes. I promise you the neighbor is going to run out of his house. But you don't stop.
You need weaponry. Remind yourself what the full armor is [ Ephesians 6:10-18]
So go to Youtube and play this [Prayers that Route Demons] 24/7 . Find the one with the written prayers and say it along with the video. [Buy the book if you can] Do this every day. Do not stop. People who are committed to evil do not stop. They are dedicated.
Choose the time to play it aloud. Midnight is a great time as this is the time when wicked people start their nonsense. But at sundown or sunrise is good also as these are time of change and new beginnings. I am suggesting these times because these are 3 of the 7 original prayer watches of the Hebrews.[ Mark 13:35]
In the meantime. Go through your house and remove every occult item from your house including crosses, virgin marys [ Exodus 20:4] masks; things that you may have picked up on holidays made in heathen nations and dedicated to heathen gods etc . Confess for having these items in your home.
Dedicate your space to YAH/GOD. How does that look? Imagine HIM to be there , as HE actually is there with you [ Ephesians 1:22]. Do not do, or say anything in your space that would displease HIM. Crazy music, sexually explicit, violence , wicked movies etc change your environment...
Mark 12:42 - And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites. Those aren't bugs. Those are the names of coins. It is actually the word LEPTA. A LEPTA is only 1/64th of a day's wage. Somebody figured that out to be about 10 or 12 minutes, 1/64th of a day's wage.
And so, two of them (two mites), it adds up to a KORENTAS, 1/32nd of a day's wage. Not much! She threw in these two coins worth 1/32nd of a day's wage. Today, someone might have sent a visitation committee to her house. The word farthing is the word KORENTAS.
Mark 13:8 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
The word "sorrows" in the Greek text is the word for birth pains. When a woman begins her delivery process, the birth pains come further apart, and they are not as strong. What Jesus is saying is that when you see all these things happening, it is just getting started. Don't think that the end is coming anytime soon.
Mark 13:9 - But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Notice what He is saying to the synagogues and to the Council. The word council is Sanhedrin, the chief Council of the Jews. He is talking to Jewish people. He is talking directly to His disciples. He is talking directly to His believers, the Jews.
Thank you for the question, and it is nice to speak with you again. I totally understand your question on this. It is true that the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah when He was here the first time. Even today, Orthodox Jews still do not acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, and they don't believe in His second coming. But since the time of Christ's resurrection to the present time, there are Messianic Jews, those Jews who have responded to the gospel message and have received Christ as their Messiah/Savior. In my post, it is the Messianic Jews that I mentioned and was referring to, not Orthodox Jews.
Again, to this day, Orthodox Jews still do not believe Jesus is their Messiah. They're still waiting on their Messiah to come. In fact, if you or I were to ask for their view on Mark 13:32, or any verse in the New Testament for that matter, they more than likely will not want to discuss it at all since they don't believe in the NT.
Something else to be aware of is that if you ever get the opportunity to speak to an Orthodox Jew, they will probably frown at you if you mention Old Testament to them. The term Old Testament is offensive to an Orthodox Jew because they don't believe in a New Testament. We call it the Old Testament, but they call it the Tanak (TNK), the Torah, the Neviim, and the Ketuvim, which is the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings.
So, if you're ever speaking to an Orthodox Jew, or if you're ever in a Jewish bookstore by chance, and you're asking anything about the Old Testament, you might want to say Tanach instead.
Again, thank you for the question. But please know that there are Messianic Jews today that have received Christ as their Messiah, and they are looking for His second coming just as we are.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
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It is a fascinating study just to study all the feasts of the Jews and how the feasts of the Jews just happened to fall on the major events in Christ's life.
His birth was the Feast of Tabernacles. Pentecost was the coming of the Holy Spirit. Passover: the time of His death. Unleavened bread: His burial. First fruits: His resurrection. If you ever have the time to do so, it's interesting and worth looking into.
But they actually have a day that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is called Rosh Hashanah. They call it a 48-hour period, but it can last longer. It can last up to 72 hours before they see the new moon.
Now this means also that the new moon can already be out and they not see it because of the cloud cover. And because they can't see it, they can't blow the horn. They actually have to be able to physically see it. So, it could take up to three days. Fascinating!
Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
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It is very interesting how we have a lot of predictions on when Jesus is coming back. I would like to share a little bit of information, and that's all it is, just information. I'm not telling you that I follow it, but I just think it's interesting how the Messianic Jews view this verse.
"Nobody knows the day or the hour, not even angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
The Jews actually have a day in their calendar that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is the first day on what is called Rosh Hashanah.
On the first day of Rosh Hashanah, which doesn't start on a date. It starts when the observers (the scouts), first see the first sliver of the new moon, and they blow the shofar (Ram's Horn), and then Rosh Hashanah starts. But it can take two or three days before they see the new moon.
Messianic Jews believe that Jesus, at His second coming, is coming on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. All other activities in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, even the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there is only one feast left, and that's Rosh Hashanah that has not been fulfilled.
And they believe that Christ is coming back on that day "because nobody knows the day or the hour," because it goes two or three days. It is not a set time. And they also associate the blowing of the trumpet; the blowing of the shofar, will be introducing the coming of Christ.
Why is the NASB included in the parallel options? It's missing entire verses, and you know what Revelation 22.18-19 says about removing things:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This didn't used to be an option. This is a very sneaky way of corrupting the Word.
--FULL LIST OF REMOVALS:
Luke 4: 4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4: 8: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matt.25: 13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matt.27: 35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mark 6: 11: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Mark 13: 14: But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.
John 7: 8: Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
COMMENT: By omitting the word 'yet' the NASV makes the Saviour a liar, because he did later go up to the feast. (Joh
Thank you for clarifying your belief and I am glad to hear that you don't believe that way. However, I'm sort of confused in that if you don't believe this way, why would you tell someone that they "make a good point about people who use these versions not being true Christians?" Wouldn't you agree that a person who is not a true Christian (Born of God's Spirit) is destined for Hell? I just don't get how that's a good point for someone to say that a person who uses another version of the bible is not a true Christian?
I have read a majority of your posts, not all, but most of them I have read so I have somewhat of an understanding where you're coming from on this subject. As for the verse comparisons you have provided ( Matthew 24:36), I will have to ponder on that one for a bit. Right now, I don't see how it diminishes the deity Christ. Again, I have never read the NIV so this is the first time I have seen this verse that you have shared.
The KJB is what I have been studying from for several years and what I see Jesus saying is that only His Father knows the day and the hour. Not even Jesus knows. We both agree that Jesus is God, but He is not God the Father, and Jesus said only His Father knows the day and hour. Also, the verse brother Chris has provided ( Mark 13:32) would be a good verse to take a look at.
As for Matthew 18:11, was that verse left out intentionally by the translators to deceive, or was it left out because of some of the older Greek manuscripts that they were using did not have that verse?
Hello Momsage. I know you've directed your comment to Bro. Jesse, but your Matthew 24:36 reference alerted me. I realize that you are trying to show the differences between the KJB & other modern versions, but on that reference, which you stated correctly as a comparison, I would ask, what do you make of Mark 13:32?
I find that even if a modern Bible version 'appears' to have not quoted a verse correctly, sometimes there is another verse in that Bible that reinforces the Truth elsewhere (maybe not the exact words, but the Truth of the subject). The problem we have with the various Bible versions lies not simply in an intentional mistake to mislead others, but on their source manuscripts/fragments from which they are derived. And to properly investigate the matter at that level would go beyond most of us lay people. We might only be able to make a decision from those who are properly qualified to do so and have proven their expertise in the past. GBU.
As judgment begins with the church ( 1 Peter 4:17) we need to be cognizant of this fact in order to prevent any further error to spread where the truth still resides. I am convinced that in recent times it is professing Christians who have caused those who are on fire for the Lord to have the most discouragement ( Matt. 24:29). Jesus warns about this immediately prior to His coming.
We need as with anything else to be balanced; He will come and suddenly; but in His timing. We dare not lose our vigilance or get into the date setting camp. We all must watch as Jesus commanded. ( Mark 13:37).
When we look into what is just around the corner we must realize that God has certain set plans that will come to pass in their time; that is specifically one world government; the Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast which must end in the armies of the world fighting Christ to their demise as He returns and kills them with the fire coming from his mouth ( 2 Thess. 2:8 for this progression). In the end time Tribulation period there will be a countless multitude saved who appear in heaven after the 144,000 ( Rev. 7:9). We remember that we will be part of the assembly in heaven who comes down with Christ in the armies from there when He returns.
As we go forward; of course the main focus should always be on the Great Commission. This doesn't absolve us when we have a chance to stand for righteousness in society; but we should pray and seek Him before entangling in any issues that could hamper what our primary labor should be. Like it or not WE are the counterculture now; we are the fringe society (won't use the r right term fully spelled out to avoid getting flagged).
Perhaps our best bet is what seems to have stood the test of time in recent decades; that is having a small group of people who fellowship together; and a small block or two which can be a sort of sanctuary in rough neighborhoods.
I read and study the KJV, and I have read parts of other Bibles, Michaelswiger gave good information on what manuscripts were used, and if we study the history of the Bible other things and texts like the Bishop Bible were also considered. Giannis and S Spencer have also given good responses on the Greek words. I trust the KJV as the word of God and what He means for us to understand is there, but we must trust the Holy Spirit will guide us.
Aion means life span, age, or epoch, it is the source of our English words age and eon. It describes any length of clearly defined time, whether one person's life or some era of certain renown. As a general point of reference, this word may also apply to the vast span of history: the ages, the times of old.
I agree, with the word's age and world for English-speaking people our understanding can be different. The Greek word aion was translated in the KJV 37 times as world, sometimes world works, and sometimes age would be a better choice, I can send you the verses if you want to study them. Like Matt. 24:3 with the context and what the disciples knew at that time and what Jesus just told them about the temple the word world insinuates they are asking Jesus about His second coming.
If we compare Matt. 24:3 with Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7 what is written in Matthew with them still thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom instead of the end of the world, the end of the age would fit better. The context of the chapter and comparing what is written in each gospel about the same thing helps me.
All translations or transliterations are not perfect, but God is and what He wants us to know He will show us through the Spirit of truth. Take Matt. 28:19, the commission, if we compare it to Mark 16:15Luke 24:47, and what we read in the rest of the New Testament what do we see?
My understanding is Jesus was baptized and anointed in the fall of the year__, he was 40 days and nights in the wilderness. Jesus then chose His 12 disciples. shortly after the wedding where Jesus turned the water to wine, He went to Passover John 2:23, this would be 6 months after He was anointed by the Holy Ghost.
There are 3 more Passovers and Jesus was crucified on the last one, John 5:1, 1.5 years John 6:4 2.5 years, and John 13:1 the Passover He was crucified 3.5 years from when He was anointed as the Messiah.
My understanding of Matthew 24 was also for the disciples for the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem not just for us today, if we compare Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 have when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet. But in Luke 21:20, He writes when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
The abomination of desolation is something done by someone as King Antiochus IV Epiphanes did in 168 BC. It happened before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. My understanding is parts of Jesus's Olivet discourse were for them and parts are for us.
What is in Daniel 9:27 Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease when He died and the vail of the Temple rent from top to bottom. As Jesus told the woman at the well the hour has come ye shall not worship the Father in the mountain or Jerusalem, John 4:21
The wording in Daniel 9:27 is for the overspreading of abominations points to the abominations the leaders of Jerusalem will have done, Matthew 23:32-38 Jesus told them "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate" The he, is Jesus who will make it desolate and, in their generation, it was made desolate by the people/Roman army, of the prince/Titus same as God used Babylon in 586 BC.
I hope this makes sense so that you can study for your understanding even if you disagree, if you have questions let me know.
Book of Revelation is in three parts (past, past/present, future)
Revelation 1:19 ''write down the things which thou hast seen(past Rev 1:1-18), the things which are (past/present Chapters 2,3 letters to the churches in Johns time and for us today to know) and the things that shall be hereafter' (Future Rev 4:1 - Rev 19:11-21;Chapter 20,21,22)
Rev 4:1 (start of tribulation) - Rev 11:3;11:7/ Rev 13:5; Rev 13:7 (middle) - Rev 19:11-21 (end of Trib)
Matthew 24:3-14 tells us signs of the end before Tribulation.
End: From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. a. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be, (in the Greek writings always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time
Matthew 24:15-16 is speaking to those in judea near the end of Tribulation. Mark 13:14
Matthew 24:15 When ye (who read this during trib) therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" (THOSE IN JUDAEA DURING TRIBULATION)
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains (mountains of Moab, Southern Jordan)
Concerning translations, I would like to say, I could list many things about translations what text were used, what influence Latin had on it, what was not allowed, what was added, but something to consider. I read and study the KJV but it is an English translation but only 25 to 30 percent of the population of the world can read or speak English. What about the 70 + non-English people. We can take a doctrine or a belief and find Scripture to fit it. If a translation is what we put our faith in our ears are closed to the truth given to us by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 13:11John 14:26 The Holy Spirit is our teacher if our ears and eyes are open to hear and see. If we do not clear our minds and pray to our Father to show us the truth it does not matter what translation, we read. We wonder why there are so many denominations and beliefs?????
In Lucan gospel we have a saying of Jesus, coming as it is from the Servant-King is atypical. "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one"( Luke 22:35).
St Luke makes it clear that the sword was their emblem of a new order they were entering into. It also fits with the subtext the narrative carrying along. As associates of Jesus they were also part of the kingdom he had promised (vv.29-30).
Symbolism of the sword is for every saint redeemed from the earth and they follow the white rider on a white horse. He is part of the great army following in the rear. "In righteousness he doth judge and make war." (Re.19:11). The sword is not forged in any fire kindled by man but from the fire that was symbolically present in the night vision of Daniel. The Ancient of day sat on a throne, "His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." (Dan.7:9) As human events unfold in earth this fire was streaming as with river of time.
(See entry under R-River of time)
The inaugural vision of St John made a composite image of the Father and the Son. The sword of the Spirit, 'which is the word of God' and it clears every offending thing, the remnant of iniquity, "were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth."(Re.19:21).
As Jesus is wrapping up earthly ministry they disciples were to be watchful (" Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning./ Lest coming suddenly he find you sle"- Mark 13:35-36) It was to be in readiness as soldiers awaiting the command of their Messiah-King for the battle. In the Gospel of St Matthew we have this: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword(Matt.26:51)".
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
About 15 years ago and several times before that I had a vision of the pure terror involved with the mark of the Beast. I have since told people that I would ask the Lord would give them such insight but not for those who aren't spiritually strong. The Lord has held back the day of Judgment, but it is promised to be worse than any time in the past and future. Mark 13:19 as well as other New Testament passages and Daniel 12 show proof of this. Without Christ we are dragged in; to the sieve of destruction ( Isaiah 30:28). Suddenly the wicked are broken and that without remedy ( Prov. 6:15).
To realize how fearful judgment is apart from Christ I cannot put into words. When we see Mystery Babylon we can't help but be reminded of the American Pie song with its lyrics
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play
These remind us of Ecclesiastes 12:4 as well as Lamentations 5:14 along with other stanzas in this song about the Lord taking off and no more joyful music as stated in Revelation 18:22. We are hypnotized by music and media today and its demonic mantras and dulled in our senses with the vulgar obsenities that increasingly assail the rightous. The agenda is out in the open at this point; Satan's hour is about to arrive. Christ comes soon so rejoice
The manchild in Revelation, 144,000. The woman in is the City (Am I getting this right?)
Revelation 12:2-6 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Matthew 24 13-16 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Before the end, and start of Tribulation) (Jesus goes from signs of the end to speaking of when Daniel mentions the 'antichrist' stands in the holy place. (let them that are 'in Judaea') 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
End From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid)
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Not to be a pessimist because by nature, I'm truly very much an optimist. Humanity has been seeing signs of end times for hundreds of years, if not 2000+ years. I'm always hesitant about attemptibg to make predictions and foretell a potential eminent end of time event. Not that I'm not just as any and ready to move on (hopefully to Heaven) as what you are but because we're told that neither the angels nor Christ know when the end will be but only God does know. I feel like making declarations of an eminent end of time is somewhat taking a position of "I know better" than God's Word. I absolutely support and believe that it is both wise and prudent to be ready at any given moment. But 'end times prophets' have never given me a sense of enrichment. I can easily see that it is not your purpose but to many, it is seem as fear mongering. I don't think that but many would.
First, I would like to say Revelation is not in any kind of chronological order, and we agree there are only two resurrections. The rapture, many believe this is just for the Church before Jesus's second coming. By saying this in my understanding is what makes 1 Thess. 4:13-19 look like a different event from the first resurrection at Jesus's second coming. Matt. 24:31Mark 13:271 Cor. 15:51-581 Thess. 4:16-17Rev. 11:15Rev. 19:11-16 At the last trump the second coming of Jesus, all these describe the first resurrection. Rev. 20:6.
There are only two resurrections, and we see the first resurrection at Jesus's second coming at the seventh and last Trump. After the battle, we see those in this first resurrection at the judgment seat of Christ, the thrones set up Rev. 20:4. Jesus and His chosen then set up the kingdom and the thousand years start. The rest saved and lost will not be resurrected until after 1,000 years Rev.20:5 Rev.20 the last verse 27 tells us this is not just for the lost there are those found in the Book of Life.
Amen, brother, thank you. Obedience is the evidence of our faith; we cannot ignore all of the Scripture on enduring and overcoming. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, 1 Corinthians 13:7, Hebrews 12:7, James 1:12, 1 John 2:13-14, Revelation 2:7,11,17,22, Revelation 21:7. I could list more, but just these cannot be ignored, and if we do, we are deceived.
God bless,
RLW
Matthew 24:14
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Mark 13:31
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."
Blessing's
Satan has not yet been confined in the bottomless pit, so Revelation 20:3 has not occurred. This will happen after Jesus returns, the first resurrection, the Battle of Armageddon, and the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire. You can read Revelation 17, 18, 19, and Revelation 20:1-6.
The short season you said was in Revelation 20:6 may be referring to Revelation 12:7-12. In Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels are cast down to earth with no more access to heaven. Revelation 12:12 states he knows he has only a short time.
My understanding is that this short time lasts three and a half years, also 42 months or 1260 days, often referenced in Revelation as the period of great tribulation involving Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. We also see reference to it in Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, and Revelation 7:14. I hope this helps.
Revelation and the prophecies about the end days require study and prayer; many different interpretations exist.
God bless,
RLW
Revelation 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
Matthew 24:9"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."
Mark 13:24-27 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light," "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken." "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory." "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
Blessings
Mark 4:17 "And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended."
Deuteronomy 4:30 "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;"
Revelation 2:10 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."
Matthew 24:9"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."
Mark 13:24-27 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light," "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken." "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory." "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
Blessings
The preceding versions discuss the diaspora among all nations; and this verse is followed with verse 31
31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
At the end of the Tribulation we read this in Ezekiel 20:37-38
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
Thus we see the final fulfillment of this in Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. The time of "Jacob's trouble" will accomplish this
as Jeremiah 30:7 states
"Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."
There are going to be some physical survivors of that time as illustrated in other scriptures. Mark 13:14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation'[a] standing where it[b] does not belong-let the reader understand-then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
We need to familiarize ourselves with the Word as there are hundreds of relevant scriptures whose ultimate fulfillment is nigh.
God will fulfill His ultimate plans; but it is hard to say what twists and turns will occur; and what the state of our nation will be once the Tribulation begins. I would argue a lot depends on whether we are Babylon the Great.
There is always a remnant saved; we see this here; in Exodus and Revelation 2 and 3.
The Lord God created all things. All things..
Good and bad, joy and sorrow, Isaiah 45:7 So we see these days that people don't want to hear this. They preach a God who is just compliant, sensibly agreeing with all the inconveniences that people find it okay to live in. The narrow path does not exist and everything is permitted. This is where we as Christians have a responsibility ourselves. Words that Jesus mentions are washed away with dust on a porch. But the fact is that the word shall never pass away Mat 24:35 and Mark 13:31 Words that all believers should think carefully about. If you have something like this in your life.Then throw it away, throw it into the deepest darkness, never take it back. Mark 7:21 and Mat 15:19 These words are very important, because we know that God created all things. ALSO all the Spirits small and great. Remember He saw everything when He created everything. Look at the different creatures in the animal world. Only there do we see that there is no fault with the imagination of the Lord. And not least the inequalities we people have. That's why we have to be alert to all things that are jarring. For example: You see your neighbor rolling a big cabin cruiser up the driveway to his beautiful house. And you feel a hint of envy. Because you've never even had a small dinghy. Right there! You have to be careful. Throw away the thought, preferably before it comes or before you think it! Such small pricks become big problems in the end.And harder for us to reveal
The Lord God created all things. All things..
Regarding the return of Jesus, I only see in Scripture that He returns once. As seen in 1 Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28, John 14:3, Acts 1:11, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 19:11-21, through Revelation 20:1-6, is the same event when Jesus returns, and it occurs after the tribulation of the beast. My understanding is that there is only one Day of the Lord, and that is when Jesus returns.
Regarding the Messiah, I have never asked a Jew about their understanding of it. What I have previously read about Jewish faith is that one day a charismatic Jewish leader, the anointed of God, a man with the characteristics of God, a direct descendant of the Davidic line, will gather Jews from around the world, and bring them back to the Land of Israel and restore the kingdom ridding them of all oppressors.
That was what they were looking for during the time Jesus was here during His 3.5-year ministry, a human conqueror. The disciples were looking for Him to set up the kingdom; they even asked Him after He was resurrected, Acts 1:6-7. They were looking for what we see will happen in the millennium when Jesus returns to earth.
It was mainly the leaders of Jerusalem who did not see or did not hear, which caused blindness in part to happen to Israel, who rejected Jesus; many accepted Jesus as the Messiah while He was here. The leaders of Jerusalem played a prominent role in turning the crowds against Jesus, and it was the nation of Israel as a whole that rejected Him. And today, most Jews do not believe the Messiah has come.
I know we may not agree, but I hope I answered your question.
God bless,
RLW
Part 1
This subject has been discussed before, and I don't reply to cause debate, but in my heart, I feel it is deception that people may be looking for something that is not coming. In Matthew 24, Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you." I would like to point out a few things that may be considered for study in pursuit of the truth. The Rapture doctrine, where the Church is taken to heaven before the second coming of Jesus, does it fit scripture? If Daniel 9:25-27 has been fulfilled, how does that affect the Rapture doctrine?
Each one of us is accountable- Romans 14:12.
There are two resurrections: the first in Revelation 19:11-21 through Revelation 20:1-5. This aligns with what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.
When Jesus returns, it will be with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19, and in Matthew 24, Jesus sends His angels to gather His elect. We see in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, and Luke 21:25-28.
When Jesus returns, the Battle of Armageddon occurs, Revelation 16:13-16, Ezekiel 39:11-22, Revelation 19:17-19, and the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20-21. Satan is imprisoned in the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3, and judgment occurs for those in the first resurrection on earth, Revelation 20:4, not in heaven, then the 1000 years, Revelation 20:5-6.
I do not know of any Bible verses that agree with the rapture of the Church?
See part 2
Many traditions are followed, but do they line up with Scripture? The week Jesus was crucified, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the first day of the week, which would have been the 10th of Nisan. This would be the same day the people were to put up the lamb that would be sacrificed on Passover Day, the 14th of Nisan, Exodus 12:3. The money changers were selling animals for the Passover and other sacrifices. They were also exchanging money for the temple tax or tribute; it had to be a half-shekel.
Each day is recorded in Matthew 21 through Matthew 27:56, Mark 11:1 through Mark 15:41, Luke 19:28 through Luke 23:49, and John 12:1 through John 19:37.
John 12:1 John states it was six days before Passover when they arrived in Bethany, and the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, which was five days until Passover. Today, this day is referred to as Palm Sunday, the first day of the week.
Day one, 10th of Nisan, Jesus rides into Jerusalem, casts out the money changers and returns to Bethany, and lodges there, Matthew 21:1-17, Mark 11:1-11, Luke 19:1 through Luke 23:49. Luke does not cover the back and forth to Bethany, and John 12:1-50, John then picks up at the Last Supper.
Day two, 11th of Nisan, shows Jesus going back to Jerusalem, the fig tree, casting out the money changers again, just like the first Passover He attended in His three and a half years' ministry, John 2:14-16. The plot started with how to kill Jesus, Matthew 21:18- Matthew 25:46, Mark 11:12 through Mark 13:37, Luke 22:38. Matthew, Mark, and Luke cover Jesus' teachings in the temple, parables, and the Olivet discourse.
Day three, 12th of Nisan, is two days until Passover, Matthew 26:2-13, Mark 14:1-2. The plot to kill Jesus got more intense.
See part 2
The most dangerous thing in the Bible is being deceived by false prophets, false apostles, false accusers, false witness and false Christs . Satan will use anyone to do his work in deception.
Jesus warns his Twelve Disiples of people that will say bad things against them.
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against youfalsely, for my sake.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false prophets.
Matthew 7:15
Beware offalseprophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false witness.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts,falsewitness,
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false prophets.
Matthew 24:11
And manyfalseprophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false Christs.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arisefalseChrists, andfalseprophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false witness.
Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bearfalsewitness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false Christs and false prophets.
Mark 13:22
ForfalseChrists andfalseprophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Jesus warns the Twelve Disiples of false witness.
Luke 18:20
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bearfalsewitness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Ray, in Christ Jesus
Loretta, I am sorry for the confusion but I initially placed part B in the wrong place.
HERE IT IS NOW:
PART B
You may have noticed that something happens before his demons abuse you. There is either a scent / smell/ noise, sound, a sudden odd taste in your mouth, a flutter against your skin etc. They do this to announce themselves and also to get permission from you. When you say nothing because you do not know they do not care. They see your silence as permission.
So the second you hear or smell or taste or feel; speak out loud; THE LORD YESHUA REBUKES you with fire. Then immediately begin to read the bible verses that you wrote. Do this in your mind. Keep it up for a good 30 minutes. I promise you the neighbor is going to run out of his house. But you don't stop.
You need weaponry. Remind yourself what the full armor is [ Ephesians 6:10-18]
So go to Youtube and play this [Prayers that Route Demons] 24/7 . Find the one with the written prayers and say it along with the video. [Buy the book if you can] Do this every day. Do not stop. People who are committed to evil do not stop. They are dedicated.
Choose the time to play it aloud. Midnight is a great time as this is the time when wicked people start their nonsense. But at sundown or sunrise is good also as these are time of change and new beginnings. I am suggesting these times because these are 3 of the 7 original prayer watches of the Hebrews.[ Mark 13:35]
In the meantime. Go through your house and remove every occult item from your house including crosses, virgin marys [ Exodus 20:4] masks; things that you may have picked up on holidays made in heathen nations and dedicated to heathen gods etc . Confess for having these items in your home.
Dedicate your space to YAH/GOD. How does that look? Imagine HIM to be there , as HE actually is there with you [ Ephesians 1:22]. Do not do, or say anything in your space that would displease HIM. Crazy music, sexually explicit, violence , wicked movies etc
You may have noticed that something happens before his demons abuse you. There is either a scent / smell/ noise, sound, a sudden odd taste in your mouth, a flutter against your skin etc. They do this to announce themselves and also to get permission from you. When you say nothing because you do not know they do not care. They see your silence as permission.
So the second you hear or smell or taste or feel; speak out loud; THE LORD YESHUA REBUKES you with fire. Then immediately begin to read the bible verses that you wrote. Do this in your mind. Keep it up for a good 30 minutes. I promise you the neighbor is going to run out of his house. But you don't stop.
You need weaponry. Remind yourself what the full armor is [ Ephesians 6:10-18]
So go to Youtube and play this [Prayers that Route Demons] 24/7 . Find the one with the written prayers and say it along with the video. [Buy the book if you can] Do this every day. Do not stop. People who are committed to evil do not stop. They are dedicated.
Choose the time to play it aloud. Midnight is a great time as this is the time when wicked people start their nonsense. But at sundown or sunrise is good also as these are time of change and new beginnings. I am suggesting these times because these are 3 of the 7 original prayer watches of the Hebrews.[ Mark 13:35]
In the meantime. Go through your house and remove every occult item from your house including crosses, virgin marys [ Exodus 20:4] masks; things that you may have picked up on holidays made in heathen nations and dedicated to heathen gods etc . Confess for having these items in your home.
Dedicate your space to YAH/GOD. How does that look? Imagine HIM to be there , as HE actually is there with you [ Ephesians 1:22]. Do not do, or say anything in your space that would displease HIM. Crazy music, sexually explicit, violence , wicked movies etc change your environment...
Mark 12:42 - And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites. Those aren't bugs. Those are the names of coins. It is actually the word LEPTA. A LEPTA is only 1/64th of a day's wage. Somebody figured that out to be about 10 or 12 minutes, 1/64th of a day's wage.
And so, two of them (two mites), it adds up to a KORENTAS, 1/32nd of a day's wage. Not much! She threw in these two coins worth 1/32nd of a day's wage. Today, someone might have sent a visitation committee to her house. The word farthing is the word KORENTAS.
Mark 13:8 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
The word "sorrows" in the Greek text is the word for birth pains. When a woman begins her delivery process, the birth pains come further apart, and they are not as strong. What Jesus is saying is that when you see all these things happening, it is just getting started. Don't think that the end is coming anytime soon.
Mark 13:9 - But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Notice what He is saying to the synagogues and to the Council. The word council is Sanhedrin, the chief Council of the Jews. He is talking to Jewish people. He is talking directly to His disciples. He is talking directly to His believers, the Jews.
Thank you for the question, and it is nice to speak with you again. I totally understand your question on this. It is true that the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah when He was here the first time. Even today, Orthodox Jews still do not acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah, and they don't believe in His second coming. But since the time of Christ's resurrection to the present time, there are Messianic Jews, those Jews who have responded to the gospel message and have received Christ as their Messiah/Savior. In my post, it is the Messianic Jews that I mentioned and was referring to, not Orthodox Jews.
Again, to this day, Orthodox Jews still do not believe Jesus is their Messiah. They're still waiting on their Messiah to come. In fact, if you or I were to ask for their view on Mark 13:32, or any verse in the New Testament for that matter, they more than likely will not want to discuss it at all since they don't believe in the NT.
Something else to be aware of is that if you ever get the opportunity to speak to an Orthodox Jew, they will probably frown at you if you mention Old Testament to them. The term Old Testament is offensive to an Orthodox Jew because they don't believe in a New Testament. We call it the Old Testament, but they call it the Tanak (TNK), the Torah, the Neviim, and the Ketuvim, which is the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings.
So, if you're ever speaking to an Orthodox Jew, or if you're ever in a Jewish bookstore by chance, and you're asking anything about the Old Testament, you might want to say Tanach instead.
Again, thank you for the question. But please know that there are Messianic Jews today that have received Christ as their Messiah, and they are looking for His second coming just as we are.
God Bless!!!
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It is a fascinating study just to study all the feasts of the Jews and how the feasts of the Jews just happened to fall on the major events in Christ's life.
His birth was the Feast of Tabernacles. Pentecost was the coming of the Holy Spirit. Passover: the time of His death. Unleavened bread: His burial. First fruits: His resurrection. If you ever have the time to do so, it's interesting and worth looking into.
But they actually have a day that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is called Rosh Hashanah. They call it a 48-hour period, but it can last longer. It can last up to 72 hours before they see the new moon.
Now this means also that the new moon can already be out and they not see it because of the cloud cover. And because they can't see it, they can't blow the horn. They actually have to be able to physically see it. So, it could take up to three days. Fascinating!
God Bless!!!
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It is very interesting how we have a lot of predictions on when Jesus is coming back. I would like to share a little bit of information, and that's all it is, just information. I'm not telling you that I follow it, but I just think it's interesting how the Messianic Jews view this verse.
"Nobody knows the day or the hour, not even angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
The Jews actually have a day in their calendar that is called "The Day That No One Knows." It is the first day on what is called Rosh Hashanah.
On the first day of Rosh Hashanah, which doesn't start on a date. It starts when the observers (the scouts), first see the first sliver of the new moon, and they blow the shofar (Ram's Horn), and then Rosh Hashanah starts. But it can take two or three days before they see the new moon.
Messianic Jews believe that Jesus, at His second coming, is coming on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. All other activities in the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, even the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there is only one feast left, and that's Rosh Hashanah that has not been fulfilled.
And they believe that Christ is coming back on that day "because nobody knows the day or the hour," because it goes two or three days. It is not a set time. And they also associate the blowing of the trumpet; the blowing of the shofar, will be introducing the coming of Christ.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This didn't used to be an option. This is a very sneaky way of corrupting the Word.
--FULL LIST OF REMOVALS:
Luke 4: 4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4: 8: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matt.25: 13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matt.27: 35: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mark 6: 11: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Mark 13: 14: But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.
John 7: 8: Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
COMMENT: By omitting the word 'yet' the NASV makes the Saviour a liar, because he did later go up to the feast. (Joh
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Thank you for clarifying your belief and I am glad to hear that you don't believe that way. However, I'm sort of confused in that if you don't believe this way, why would you tell someone that they "make a good point about people who use these versions not being true Christians?" Wouldn't you agree that a person who is not a true Christian (Born of God's Spirit) is destined for Hell? I just don't get how that's a good point for someone to say that a person who uses another version of the bible is not a true Christian?
I have read a majority of your posts, not all, but most of them I have read so I have somewhat of an understanding where you're coming from on this subject. As for the verse comparisons you have provided ( Matthew 24:36), I will have to ponder on that one for a bit. Right now, I don't see how it diminishes the deity Christ. Again, I have never read the NIV so this is the first time I have seen this verse that you have shared.
The KJB is what I have been studying from for several years and what I see Jesus saying is that only His Father knows the day and the hour. Not even Jesus knows. We both agree that Jesus is God, but He is not God the Father, and Jesus said only His Father knows the day and hour. Also, the verse brother Chris has provided ( Mark 13:32) would be a good verse to take a look at.
As for Matthew 18:11, was that verse left out intentionally by the translators to deceive, or was it left out because of some of the older Greek manuscripts that they were using did not have that verse?
I find that even if a modern Bible version 'appears' to have not quoted a verse correctly, sometimes there is another verse in that Bible that reinforces the Truth elsewhere (maybe not the exact words, but the Truth of the subject). The problem we have with the various Bible versions lies not simply in an intentional mistake to mislead others, but on their source manuscripts/fragments from which they are derived. And to properly investigate the matter at that level would go beyond most of us lay people. We might only be able to make a decision from those who are properly qualified to do so and have proven their expertise in the past. GBU.
As judgment begins with the church ( 1 Peter 4:17) we need to be cognizant of this fact in order to prevent any further error to spread where the truth still resides. I am convinced that in recent times it is professing Christians who have caused those who are on fire for the Lord to have the most discouragement ( Matt. 24:29). Jesus warns about this immediately prior to His coming.
We need as with anything else to be balanced; He will come and suddenly; but in His timing. We dare not lose our vigilance or get into the date setting camp. We all must watch as Jesus commanded. ( Mark 13:37).
When we look into what is just around the corner we must realize that God has certain set plans that will come to pass in their time; that is specifically one world government; the Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast which must end in the armies of the world fighting Christ to their demise as He returns and kills them with the fire coming from his mouth ( 2 Thess. 2:8 for this progression). In the end time Tribulation period there will be a countless multitude saved who appear in heaven after the 144,000 ( Rev. 7:9). We remember that we will be part of the assembly in heaven who comes down with Christ in the armies from there when He returns.
As we go forward; of course the main focus should always be on the Great Commission. This doesn't absolve us when we have a chance to stand for righteousness in society; but we should pray and seek Him before entangling in any issues that could hamper what our primary labor should be. Like it or not WE are the counterculture now; we are the fringe society (won't use the r right term fully spelled out to avoid getting flagged).
Perhaps our best bet is what seems to have stood the test of time in recent decades; that is having a small group of people who fellowship together; and a small block or two which can be a sort of sanctuary in rough neighborhoods.
Hope you don't mind.
I read and study the KJV, and I have read parts of other Bibles, Michaelswiger gave good information on what manuscripts were used, and if we study the history of the Bible other things and texts like the Bishop Bible were also considered. Giannis and S Spencer have also given good responses on the Greek words. I trust the KJV as the word of God and what He means for us to understand is there, but we must trust the Holy Spirit will guide us.
Aion means life span, age, or epoch, it is the source of our English words age and eon. It describes any length of clearly defined time, whether one person's life or some era of certain renown. As a general point of reference, this word may also apply to the vast span of history: the ages, the times of old.
I agree, with the word's age and world for English-speaking people our understanding can be different. The Greek word aion was translated in the KJV 37 times as world, sometimes world works, and sometimes age would be a better choice, I can send you the verses if you want to study them. Like Matt. 24:3 with the context and what the disciples knew at that time and what Jesus just told them about the temple the word world insinuates they are asking Jesus about His second coming.
If we compare Matt. 24:3 with Mark 13:4 and Luke 21:7 what is written in Matthew with them still thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom instead of the end of the world, the end of the age would fit better. The context of the chapter and comparing what is written in each gospel about the same thing helps me.
All translations or transliterations are not perfect, but God is and what He wants us to know He will show us through the Spirit of truth. Take Matt. 28:19, the commission, if we compare it to Mark 16:15 Luke 24:47, and what we read in the rest of the New Testament what do we see?
God bless,
RLW
My understanding is Jesus was baptized and anointed in the fall of the year__, he was 40 days and nights in the wilderness. Jesus then chose His 12 disciples. shortly after the wedding where Jesus turned the water to wine, He went to Passover John 2:23, this would be 6 months after He was anointed by the Holy Ghost.
There are 3 more Passovers and Jesus was crucified on the last one, John 5:1, 1.5 years John 6:4 2.5 years, and John 13:1 the Passover He was crucified 3.5 years from when He was anointed as the Messiah.
My understanding of Matthew 24 was also for the disciples for the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem not just for us today, if we compare Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 have when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet. But in Luke 21:20, He writes when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
The abomination of desolation is something done by someone as King Antiochus IV Epiphanes did in 168 BC. It happened before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. My understanding is parts of Jesus's Olivet discourse were for them and parts are for us.
What is in Daniel 9:27 Jesus caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease when He died and the vail of the Temple rent from top to bottom. As Jesus told the woman at the well the hour has come ye shall not worship the Father in the mountain or Jerusalem, John 4:21
The wording in Daniel 9:27 is for the overspreading of abominations points to the abominations the leaders of Jerusalem will have done, Matthew 23:32-38 Jesus told them "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate" The he, is Jesus who will make it desolate and, in their generation, it was made desolate by the people/Roman army, of the prince/Titus same as God used Babylon in 586 BC.
I hope this makes sense so that you can study for your understanding even if you disagree, if you have questions let me know.
God bless,
RLW
Revelation 1:19 ''write down the things which thou hast seen(past Rev 1:1-18), the things which are (past/present Chapters 2,3 letters to the churches in Johns time and for us today to know) and the things that shall be hereafter' (Future Rev 4:1 - Rev 19:11-21;Chapter 20,21,22)
Rev 4:1 (start of tribulation) - Rev 11:3;11:7/ Rev 13:5; Rev 13:7 (middle) - Rev 19:11-21 (end of Trib)
Matthew 24:3-14 tells us signs of the end before Tribulation.
End: From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid) -- + continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. a. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be, (in the Greek writings always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time
Matthew 24:15-16 is speaking to those in judea near the end of Tribulation. Mark 13:14
Matthew 24:15 When ye (who read this during trib) therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" (THOSE IN JUDAEA DURING TRIBULATION)
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains (mountains of Moab, Southern Jordan)
Concerning translations, I would like to say, I could list many things about translations what text were used, what influence Latin had on it, what was not allowed, what was added, but something to consider. I read and study the KJV but it is an English translation but only 25 to 30 percent of the population of the world can read or speak English. What about the 70 + non-English people. We can take a doctrine or a belief and find Scripture to fit it. If a translation is what we put our faith in our ears are closed to the truth given to us by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 13:11 John 14:26 The Holy Spirit is our teacher if our ears and eyes are open to hear and see. If we do not clear our minds and pray to our Father to show us the truth it does not matter what translation, we read. We wonder why there are so many denominations and beliefs?????
I love you all and may God bless,
RLW
In Lucan gospel we have a saying of Jesus, coming as it is from the Servant-King is atypical. "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one"( Luke 22:35).
St Luke makes it clear that the sword was their emblem of a new order they were entering into. It also fits with the subtext the narrative carrying along. As associates of Jesus they were also part of the kingdom he had promised (vv.29-30).
Symbolism of the sword is for every saint redeemed from the earth and they follow the white rider on a white horse. He is part of the great army following in the rear. "In righteousness he doth judge and make war." (Re.19:11). The sword is not forged in any fire kindled by man but from the fire that was symbolically present in the night vision of Daniel. The Ancient of day sat on a throne, "His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." (Dan.7:9) As human events unfold in earth this fire was streaming as with river of time.
(See entry under R-River of time)
The inaugural vision of St John made a composite image of the Father and the Son. The sword of the Spirit, 'which is the word of God' and it clears every offending thing, the remnant of iniquity, "were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth."(Re.19:21).
As Jesus is wrapping up earthly ministry they disciples were to be watchful (" Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning./ Lest coming suddenly he find you sle"- Mark 13:35-36) It was to be in readiness as soldiers awaiting the command of their Messiah-King for the battle. In the Gospel of St Matthew we have this: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword(Matt.26:51)".
Revelation 14:9-11
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
About 15 years ago and several times before that I had a vision of the pure terror involved with the mark of the Beast. I have since told people that I would ask the Lord would give them such insight but not for those who aren't spiritually strong. The Lord has held back the day of Judgment, but it is promised to be worse than any time in the past and future. Mark 13:19 as well as other New Testament passages and Daniel 12 show proof of this. Without Christ we are dragged in; to the sieve of destruction ( Isaiah 30:28). Suddenly the wicked are broken and that without remedy ( Prov. 6:15).
To realize how fearful judgment is apart from Christ I cannot put into words. When we see Mystery Babylon we can't help but be reminded of the American Pie song with its lyrics
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn't play
These remind us of Ecclesiastes 12:4 as well as Lamentations 5:14 along with other stanzas in this song about the Lord taking off and no more joyful music as stated in Revelation 18:22. We are hypnotized by music and media today and its demonic mantras and dulled in our senses with the vulgar obsenities that increasingly assail the rightous. The agenda is out in the open at this point; Satan's hour is about to arrive. Christ comes soon so rejoice
Revelation 12:2-6 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Matthew 24 13-16 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Before the end, and start of Tribulation) (Jesus goes from signs of the end to speaking of when Daniel mentions the 'antichrist' stands in the holy place. (let them that are 'in Judaea') 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
End From a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid)
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Not to be a pessimist because by nature, I'm truly very much an optimist. Humanity has been seeing signs of end times for hundreds of years, if not 2000+ years. I'm always hesitant about attemptibg to make predictions and foretell a potential eminent end of time event. Not that I'm not just as any and ready to move on (hopefully to Heaven) as what you are but because we're told that neither the angels nor Christ know when the end will be but only God does know. I feel like making declarations of an eminent end of time is somewhat taking a position of "I know better" than God's Word. I absolutely support and believe that it is both wise and prudent to be ready at any given moment. But 'end times prophets' have never given me a sense of enrichment. I can easily see that it is not your purpose but to many, it is seem as fear mongering. I don't think that but many would.
Part one.
First, I would like to say Revelation is not in any kind of chronological order, and we agree there are only two resurrections. The rapture, many believe this is just for the Church before Jesus's second coming. By saying this in my understanding is what makes 1 Thess. 4:13-19 look like a different event from the first resurrection at Jesus's second coming. Matt. 24:31 Mark 13:27 1 Cor. 15:51-58 1 Thess. 4:16-17 Rev. 11:15 Rev. 19:11-16 At the last trump the second coming of Jesus, all these describe the first resurrection. Rev. 20:6.
There are only two resurrections, and we see the first resurrection at Jesus's second coming at the seventh and last Trump. After the battle, we see those in this first resurrection at the judgment seat of Christ, the thrones set up Rev. 20:4. Jesus and His chosen then set up the kingdom and the thousand years start. The rest saved and lost will not be resurrected until after 1,000 years Rev.20:5 Rev.20 the last verse 27 tells us this is not just for the lost there are those found in the Book of Life.
See part two.