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You are replying to a comment by "Rawlie"

Hello Rawlie,

Jesus learned prophecy from youth going to the temple with Joseph and Mary.

and as he grew, his Heavenly Father took

over from there.- John 4:24

Jesus spoke the word of God. Just like

Moses was given the tablets to relate

back to Israel the words of God. John 1:1; Exodus 19:3

Amen Michelle.

This is a caused by the Holyspirit and there is no resistance to this.

1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God "love his brother also."

This is virtue by being connected to the true vine.

God bless.

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Hello Tracy,

Jehovah is a invisible spirit ( John 4:24) and doesn't need to dwell in physical creation.

the point is, if we can see it literally this is not were God resides.

So what is heaven? the Hebrew word means High or lofty.

he is way superior in power. but we do have a fine example of

his Almighty power by means of what he created like the sun for example. If a rocket can't land on the sun; this proves the power of God's invisible spirit. he can accomplish wonderful things in a instant, quicker then a blink. Romans 1:20; Genesis 1:1,2

God shares his invisible presence with angels.- Hebrews 1:7

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Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) God is truth, according to John 4:24.

BSP on John 8

Verse 44

In my erly days ill go to baptise in wather. And the worst thing the society set a date 3 months, that was a long time. I wanted to baptised the same day, who was not possible becouse of this and that! Sorry am not a fan of the bureaucracy of the church.

I get a call from a sister she read it out load too me. John 7.17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Before that in age 12 years i said Yes Lord here i am! I get sick of pneumonia after that confession. But i hear in my dream a thunder and a storm i have never hear in my awaken time.

So when the days come closer too the date for baptism, ill get heavy pneumonia again. Stayed in bed for days. The night before i wake up and had bad fever. My thoughts where something like this. I cant go no and i get other ppl sick too and it was no end of the apologies for not go and baptised. I was crying out my sorrow. I laid down again and locked out from my bed, and there right beside me i saw a dark crippled demon. It looked like it just was a head to posseses me. And the ugly eyes was full of nausea and vomiting.

I sitt up in bed again and was realy scared, and i was almost dumb and sick. I open my Bible and what happened! Ill open it exactly in John 7. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Then i understand that this was a fight a heavenly fight! And i didn't evan know about it yet! After that i get too sleep and i heard in my dream a thunder and a storm i have never hear in my awaken time.

Jesus and His Holy Ones was fighting for my life! f o r m e

I have so much to thank Him for, He get all the price from me. And i will love him forever, and all the co wokers as well. He just give me unconditional love all days after. Thats why i love u all in Christ. Becouse He loved me first.

1 John 4:19 "We love him, because he first loved us."

Hi Dwight.

Amen I agree and love verse given. I love the following verse also.

1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, That HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.

I have always read this verse as tho it said, He who loveth God "SHOULD" love his brother also.

But "should" is absent,

It's saying you can't do one without the other!!

HE WHO LOVETH GOD LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.

God bless.

In response to Mishael comments on The Ten Commandments:

In Matt. 22:37-40 Jesus answers the Pharisees question to what is the greatest commandments. He sum the 1st through the 4th commandments up into one "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Then HE sum up the 5th through the 10th commandments in the 39 vs with Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. What Jesus did here, is He let them know that loving God is the most important thing but we can't God without loving our neighbor (1 John 4:20).

*Jehovah is a invisible Spirit.

To illustrate:

God is not a physical or literal wind, because he created

Wind for the earth. But his Spirit is like the wind (Example: Genesis 8:1). It moves to serve his purpose.- John 4:24; Genesis 1:1,2; * Psalm 83:18

John 14;28 ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you if you love me , you would rejoice,because I said, I go unto the father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I. 1john 4:3And every spirit that confesses not that jesus is come in the flesh is not of GOD:and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, where's you have heard that it should come and even already is in the world.

This verses show who jesus is. He is the son of GOD whom GOD SEND to bring salvation to the world and for the world to know who the FATHER IS. But unfortunately thru the continues effort of the Antichrist starting with the ROman catholic CHURCH, and JOHN CALVIN, the whole world believe that our king who will return from heaven and make war with men

Is now taken as the father himself. Do you? Please take note that GOD ALMIGHTY want men from the time of Israel to the present to follow debut.30 1-10 and jesus himself said Matt. 22. The most important commandments is TO LOVE GOD ALMIGHTY with all your heart and all you soul, and all your mind. But take note also that GOD IS IN US and he is a forgiving GOD. He does not condemn people but in truth it was the people who turn back on him.

GOD never forsake me from infancy attempted abortion a car accident,car crash,2 drowningstroke, Covid 19 . He is here in me at all time . And I am trying to follow the most important commandments . He gave me knowledge at the age of 16 when he drive to get out of the Catholic Church. When I see the priest chewing gum while delivering sermon. GOD ALSO informed me about rev. 9,10,11,12, 13. I am also very knowledgeable about the present day Jews

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The Word says MOST will see DEATH, not HELL.

The WAGES of sin (unbelief) is DEATH, the sins of the flesh are COVERED by the DEATH of Christ.

The WAGES of go and sin no more (belief) are IMMORTALITY (never ending LIFE in Christ, I AM truth and life).

All that ARE NOT TRANSLATED (you are born again BY the word of God) into the Kingdom of God (messengers of Spirit, with never ending LIFE, never ending TRUTH) WILL be raised back into their bodies of FLESH and JUDGED.

Malachi 2:7 For the (kingdom) priest's lips shall keep knowledge, and they (kingdom priest)that seek the law at his (the WORD's) mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of host.

Isaiah 26:9 ....with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the EARTH, the inhabitants OF THE WORLD will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

His judgements are not NOW in the EARTH; he is calling out of this world those CHOSEN to be kings and priest in his kingdom to RULE and JUDGE the world.

After this happens and judgement comes, every knee will bow and every tongue will CONFESS HE IS LORD.

Confession is made unto salvation.

Traditions of man limits God's plan.

God WILL NOT BE LIMITED, His WILL, WILL BE DONE.

I John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father SENT the SON (THE WORD) to be saviour of the world.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD (the SON) be that goeth out of my (the Father's) mouth: it (my WORD, my SON) shall not return unto me VOID (incomplete or unfinished WORK), but it (my WORD, my SON) shall ACCOMPLISH that which I PLEASE, and it (my WORD, my SON) shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.

1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN SUBDUED unto him, then shall the Son himself be subject to him who put ALL THINGS under him, that God (SPIRIT, LIFE, TRUTH) may be ALL IN ALL.

You can't RULE and REIGN with CHRIST if you don't BELIEVE Christ is going TO BE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Yes, Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) prophesied or was revealing to Isaiah about Cyrus ( Isaiah 44:28)

he (King of Persia) helped rebuild Jerusalem ( Daniel 10:1). yes, if a prophecy hasn't yet happened... it will happen; and it will be fulfilled and accomplished. ( Isaiah 46:10,11)

Fulfilled Prophecy:

Destruction of Jerusalem 70 c.e ( Luke 21:5,6; John 4:21)

Unfulfilled Prophecy:

Revelation 18&20 ( 1John 5:19; Revelation 12:7-12)

Revelation 21:3-4

Revelation 22 ( Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44)

Hope this helps

Amen Free.

On the surface it seems that Love is what we are told to do, Actually it's what we are "CAUSED" to do!! This bond is only accomplished by the Holyspirit.

By this we function.

By this the law is written in our hearts.

By this the Law is fulfilled.

Romans 13:8-10. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

LOVE WORKETH NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOUR: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Galatians 5:13-14. For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

FOR ALL THE LAW IS FULFILLED IN ONE WORD, EVEN IN THIS; THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.

1 John 4:21. And this commandment have we from him, THAT HE WHO LOVETH GOD "LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO." By this the commandments would be fulfilled ( LOVE WORKETH NO ILL TO HIS NEIGHBOUR:)

If we Love God we ( WILL ) Love our Brothern.

Isn't it amazing we tare one another apart about whether we should keep the commandments or not and we neglect the spirit behind the task.

God bless.

Come get everlasting life! Read, learn, and pray to apply!

John 17:3

And this is life eternal (everlasting), that they might know thee (you) the only true God (* Psalm 83:18), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast (you have) sent. ( Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:21-24; John 5:19; John 17:5)

*In the King James translation:

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( John 4:24; Exodus 6:2,3)

Dear brother IMKANE,

We are all sinners.God loves all of us! We are all brothers and sisters in Christ!

1 John 4:20

"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

Romans 12:10

"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;"

I love you, and I will pray for you my brother.

God Bless

Hi Jesse The only point I understand differently is I don't see in scripture spirit of God being the soul of man, I see in scripture God created man after His Image which is spirit John 4:24 and that's what he lost in genesis, His spiritual connection after that he still had life [soul life breathe life] and a body which is what kept him alive but no connection to God. Also throughout old testament men had this spirit of God upon them but not in them, which is why David told God take not thy Holy Spirit from me. At pentecost it was given internally not to be lost hence born again rebirth By God through Believing in what Jesus Christ made available. I can give many more scripture references on this topic. If not okay God Bless In His Service

We love you too! Brothers and sisters together forever in Jesus

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Hi Rick.

Division between non believers is expected, That's what truth does,

Matthew 10:34-37.Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

But amongst the Brothern you're bonded together by Love, It's the spirit that causes this, "By this WE KNOW that he's in us and we in him, When one hates the Brothern, then the spirit is not in him, and if you have not the Spirit of Christ then you are none of his. There are people that claims to be Christian that absolutely "HATES" people who don't hold there views.

And that's because they're void of the spirit that produces this precious fruit.

1 John 4:20-21. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God ( LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO.) "Do you notice it don't say "SHOULD" love his brother? No. It says Love his brother. this is equity! Not a command but a reaction CAUSED by the Spirit.

Perhaps by this "HATE" you can tell who's on the wrong side of the argument.

God bless.

Will the mother of my child ever come back to me. The father,

Thanks Karen Have a great day Give em Heaven In His Service Rick

Brother Jess, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

WE ARE POTS (vessels):

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the clay (pot), of the same lump (of clay) to make one vessel UNTO HONOUR, and another (vessel) UNTO DISHONOUR.

John 15:16 You HAVE NOT chosen me, I HAVE CHOSEN YOU .....

You are giving yourself powers that YOU DO NOT HAVE. Pot's CANNOT DO ANYTHING (they are chosen to fullfill a predestinated position in the kingdom of heaven).

Mankind is walking in the will of God whether they know it or not; most sure don't believe that everything happening is the WILL of God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Spirit) that WORKETH IN YOU (creation; honourable and dishonourable vessels, causing them) both to WILL and to DO his (the Father's pleasure). (You can of yourself DO NOTHING John 15:5).

Your HAVE NO CHOICE;

Romans 8:20 For the creature (creation) was MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ....

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who (the pot) opposeth and exalteth HIMSELF above all that is called God; so that he (the pot) setteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD (you are the temple of God 1 Corinthians 3:16-17), (the pot) showing himself that he (the pot) is GOD (above the sovereignty of the Spirit, not believing the words of God.

None will perish; because it is God that is working in creation to FULLFILL his words; Man has no SAY in whats being FULLFILLED.

1 John 4:14 For we have seen and do testify that THE FATHER SENT the Son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Do you believe Christ is going to FAIL his Father's commission.

Thank you so much for clarifying that for me. I had imagined it being just the archangel fighting this war against satan but now I see how this occurring. God bless you, always!

Hi Karen First there is no comparison of God Almighties power in relationship to satans. In Gospel of Luke 11:20 Jesus Christ uses a figure of speech saying if I with the finger of God sort of like flicking an ant off your body no effort, cast out devils. Biblically Gabriel is a messenger for God Daniel 8:16 + 9:21 also Luke 1:19 + 1:26. Michael is for the most part a warrior Daniel 10:13+21 + 12:1 also Jude 9 and Rev.12:7.

Now karen that being said here's a few other references to other angels and what they were sent to do Mathew 4:11 angels were sent to minister to Jesus Christ after being tempted, angels were sent to sodom and gomorrah to get lot and His wife and daughters out of town with specific instructions to obey. so angels are messengers or agents sent by God to do His Work for man .

My favorite example is Hebrews 1:11 ministering spirits sent forth to minster for them who shall be heirs of salvation. So the battle is between the true God and His messengers and satan and His messengers, both sides have them. In His Service

Some people want to compare God with satan as if they are opposites but God is God all by Himself so my question is, this current battle, is it satan against The ArchAngel Michael? Because satan is a fallen angel so I would think this current battle is between satan and an archangel or is all of the angels. Please clarify and provide a Scripture reference please.

Micheal, God can not die He is a Spirit, "God is a Spirit and they that worship him,,," John 4:24, however the form that he took, the flesh , the body can and did and yes it was the Spirit that raised that body out of the grave. I encourage you to read the whole chapter of Romans 7. I hope this helps. God Bless.

I can't find the comment about Eve having sex with a serpent and giving birth to Cain.

So here's my comment on that:

Eve conversed with a serpent. Anatomically humans cannot mate with snakes.

For the people who come in here and say that:

You are in error.

God performed the first marriage. It says nothing, what you said. Where did you get that ideathe book of shadows?

1 John 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of TRUTH, and the spirit of ERROR.

2 Peter 3:17

Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the WICKED, fall from your own stedfastness.

1 John 4:3

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Earl,

The word torment used in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is the Greek word BASANOIS. The meaning from Greek to English would pretty much be the same as what we would understand torment to be. Whether it is mental anguish or physical torment, I think it can be both. It seemed to be both for the rich man. He seemed to be in a state of mental torment knowing that his family members (brothers) would soon be in this same place unless someone went to warn them. We also know that he was in physical torment, wanting the tip of his tongue to be cooled. Can you imagine that? Here is a man in physical torment and all he asks is for the tip of his tongue to be cooled. He didn't ask for someone to throw him a rope so he could get out!

We also know that there is a place of eternal torment called the lake of fire. To tell you how the word torment is used in other verses would take a tremendous amount of time and space. That's a huge favor. I don't mind sharing my understanding with you but I'm not sure I want to tackle that one. The short answer is that the word torment means pretty much the same in English as it does in Greek.

For the rich man in Hades, he's still in torment. One day he will be released, judged at the Great White Throne Judgement, and then cast into the lake of fire, a place of eternal torment.

Sorry I couldn't give you more. If you want the verses to look them up, here are the ones I found:

Matthew 8:29, Mark 5:7, Luke 8:28, Luke 16:28, 1 John 4:18, Revelation 9:5, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 18:7, Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:15

Margie Your answer is in Gospel of John 4:24 It Is Written

Margie gospel of John 4:24 is your answer. It Is Written follow the Scriptures

Hi Ron Scripturally this is what I gather Gen. 1: 26+27 let us make man In our the Image or likeness. In the Gospel of John 4:24 Jesus Christ said God is Spirit so Genesis 1:27 God gave man Spirit so he could communicate with man. In ch 2:7 The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. That being shown when a born again person falls asleep in Christ His holy Spirit goes back to God he takes his last breath soul life and body goes back to dust. The part of man that died in genesis he lost His Spiritual connection, big time not good, bought back by Jesus Christ. Made available again day of pentecost to be born again of Gods Spirit by what Jesus Christ accomplished. All other inputs welcome.

Hi Ron This is my understanding scripturally of what you were sharing Genesis 1 God Created man in His own Image In the Gospel of John 4:24 Jesus Christ said God Is Spirit a spirit has no form it is Spirit Gen. 2:7 lord formed man dust of the ground and breathed into His nostrils breath of life and man became a living soul, soul life is breath life. In Genesis man did not die physically but he lost his spiritual connection with God because he disobeyed. When Jesus Christ paid the price for mans redemption it became available Day oif Pentecost to receive the spiritual connection that was lost Holy Spirit or Pneuma Hagion we received that which was lost in Genesis. When we fall asleep in Christ the spirit goes back to where it came from you take your last breath soul life and your body goes to dust of the ground. Now in the old testament many times to communicate to men God had to make himself known in the five senses to communicate at first Moses burning bush, staff that turned to a snake attention getters, they had Gods spirit upon them but not in them, that's why David in psalms said to God take not thy Holy Spirit from me. Remember Jesus Christ said those who have seen me have seen the father five senses the Disciples didn't get it tell after Pentecost. I realize there are other ideas on this, scripturally this is my understanding. All other inputs gladly accepted.