Discuss James 1

  • Mrs BR - 5 months ago
    Father in Heaven,

    I come to You with honesty, because You already see my heart.

    You know this season of the year is scary for me, a time when memories of my husband's past health issues stir up fear, worry, and old emotions.

    But today I choose to bring all of this to You.

    I lay it at the Cross. Your Word says in 2 Timothy 1:7 that You have not given me a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.

    So right now, I reject fear, and I receive the power, love, and sound mind You freely offer me.

    Let Your peace settle deeper in me than any anxious thought.

    Your Word also says in 1 Peter 5:7 to cast all my anxiety on You because You care for me.

    So Lord, I cast it: every fear, every old memory, every "what if," every tightness in my chest, every intrusive thought.

    I place them in Your hands, not mine.

    You care for me more than I can understand, and I release the weight of worry to You. I lift up the "fiery darts" that come : the sudden fears, the feelings, the emotional pulls, and instead I take up the shield of faith, just as You command in Ephesians 6:16.

    Extinguish every dart of fear, every whisper of danger that is not from You, Lord, off of me and my entire family and our loved ones.

    Fill me and my family with Your truth so fully, that fear has nowhere to land.

    Lord, Your Word says in James 1:19 to be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry,

    so help me in my relationships, especially with my husband, to walk with grace, patience, and peace.

    Teach my heart to communicate with love, and soften any place in me that feels overly burdened, overwhelmed, or unheard.

    And Father, You tell me in 1 Peter 3:7 and Ephesians 4:15 to walk in understanding and speak the truth in love.

    So I ask You to strengthen our unity: spiritually, emotionally, and in communication.

    Let my words be filled with gentleness, and let my heart feel safe,held, and understood.

    Like Hannah in 1 Samuel 1, who poured out her soul before You, I pour out my emotions to You w/out shame
  • MotherMac - 5 months ago
    Verse of the Day

    James 1:3

    "Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience."

    Amen and thank God.
  • Richard H Priday - 6 months ago
    Final final thoughts

    As to the idea of the renewed mind; we need to constantly REMIND ourselves; James 1:23 states: For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: then next verse: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

    Obsession of self leads many to look at themselves in the mirror. I for one am glad the mirror is still intact after days of growing facial hair like a barbarian. I digress...

    We need to repetitively examine our hearts. Those in addiction recovery (at least the one I'm in) use the term "fearless moral inventory" and I'm sure there are other versions of that concept. We learned patterns of behavior all our lives to promote our sin nature and please the flesh; now we have to replace that with growth and routine maintenance so that we aren't led astray or distracted from the mission at hand. Satan's "toolbox" as it were is designed to turn the screws on us; pushing the right buttons (perhaps appearing to us as the "easy" button which is disguised as one leading to destruction). The enemy is often boringly predictable using our weaknesses along with certain pesky folk to gradually unnerve us. He also is a master at causing us to THINK remaining on a given path is going smoothly but presenting a new challenge to blindside us.

    These concepts; therefore are related to being as it were proactive over our soul and minds. Renewing our minds helps the stability of our soul; and we cannot effectively do this when our souls are being captivated by distracting or evil thoughts.

    We cannot short circuit the project through impatience in order to speed up the process; and we need to trust that God has uniquely gifted us for our calling and that He will at the right time send us forth into the works He has predestined for us.

    It is good to have investments and time in believers who disciple us and we can in turn disciple.
  • Giannis - 6 months ago
    To the saints.

    What is the difference between an old family car and a race car, a Ferrari? It's huge, isn't it?. Similarly the difference between man and God is huge. Can an old car run like the Ferrari? Definitely not. Even if we modify it, change the engine, the suspension, the aerodynamics, everything in it, it will never go like a Ferrari. t will be somewhat faster and that is how much it can be improved.

    Can a man walk like God? Is it possible for us to walk/think/feel/behave like Christ? Think of that old car. Even if we try our best we will never succeed to walk like Christ. It is above our abilities. t is above our nature.

    God is sinless. His nature is sinless. He doesn't have to fight sin. Sin simply can not touch Him. But we are not. Actually we are sinful. Our nature is sinful.

    "God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:"( James 1:13). But we are tempted. Very easily.

    God doesn't have try to love someone. Love just comes out of Him naturaly. Because His nature is love. God is love. But we are not love. We can hardly love ourselves. How is it possible to love our enemies?

    So we have two different persons with different natures and different abilities. But God wishes us to become like Him. Does God ask the impossible from us? At first sight it seems so.

    So we have a problem without a solution? What is the solution?

    The miising thing in this problem is called "God's grace". God's grace is what bridges man to God. It is the Holy Spirit who enables us to walk like Jesus. There is no other way for people to become like Christ. It does not depend on our abilities, our ethics. Those will not get us far away. It is like a father who asks his child to run, say, 50 miles. And the child is exhausted after a couple of miles. How can that child run the remaining 48 miles? Similarly man can not go far with their own abilities.

    ...see pt2
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Amen.

    James 1:26

    If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

    Matthew 12:36

    "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."

    Blessings
  • RICHARD H PRIDAY - 6 months ago
    Revelation 3:14-22

    14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

    21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    I have done commentaries on this before; much is self explanatory reading these scriptures which have exemplified it sees-much of the condition of the church especially in America today.

    Godliness with contentment is great gain ( 1 Tim. 6:6); but we have more than is needed when we are not comfortable at a certain level and fighting to maintain what we have beyond our needs. We certainly should prioritize the needs of others; particularly in the body of Christ and a generous spirit ideally in theory should be rejoicing in the ability to further assist others.

    It is easy to forget the suffering of the church in third world counties unless we realize all good gifts are from above ( James 1:17) and we heed to the warnings of what will soon come to the rich ( James 5:3).
  • Azzan77 - 6 months ago
    Greeting's

    James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

    Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof

    Blessings
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hi Ronald.

    It seems the scriptures you gathered argues against your point.

    To begin with Matthew 24:13 I don't know about you but I wont believe around during that period of time.

    However if you are and you happen to endure it will be because of the blood of the Lamb.

    Revelation 12:10-11.

    If you believe you can do it any other way you are already recieved!

    You would be using the same filthy flesh that have you in bondage to cleanse yourself with.

    Also; You brought up Hebrews 12:7.

    Hebrews 12:7 argues against your point!

    Hebrews 12:5-10 reads

    And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

    For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

    If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

    But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, THAT WE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF HIS HOLINESS.

    We have a father that promises to never leave us and keeps us in line even unto death!

    Paul says in Philippians 1:6

    "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

    James 1:12 reads "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

    "When he is tried" in this verse is when he is MADE acceptable.

    The verse says Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: "FOR OR BECAUSE" WHEN HE IS TRIED,

    Example.

    Zachariah 13:9.

    Isaiah 48:9-11.

    Blessings
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hey Giannis,

    Amen, brother, thank you. Obedience is the evidence of our faith; we cannot ignore all of the Scripture on enduring and overcoming. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, 1 Corinthians 13:7, Hebrews 12:7, James 1:12, 1 John 2:13-14, Revelation 2:7,11,17,22, Revelation 21:7. I could list more, but just these cannot be ignored, and if we do, we are deceived.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Lbooth1955 - 7 months ago
    Justified by faith, works or both?

    Abraham's justification must be understood in its two contexts. Paul states in Romans 4:2-3, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." That faith-alone moment in Genesis 15:6 shows Abraham's justification before God-apart from works.

    For the Body of Christ today, Paul is clear: justification is a gift of grace through faith in Christ's finished work ( Rom. 3:28; Eph. 2:8-9). Works cannot be added, for salvation is secured by faith alone in this present dispensation. Is this true or not?

    James, however, writes "to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" ( James 1:1). He does not say he is writing to the Body of Christ, the Church revealed to Paul ( Eph. 3:3-6). There is no mention anywhere in James that these twelve tribes are part of the Church, the Body of Christ, it's just not there.

    Instead, James presents justification as faith plus works, to whom? According to scripture it's not the body of Christ.

    "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" ( James 2:21-24).

    In Israel's prophetic program, justification included works as part of salvation. Faith that did not produce obedience was dead and could not save under covenant law (cf. Acts 2:38; Matt. 24:13).

    Thus, Abraham illustrates both truths. Paul shows his faith justified him before God-pointing to our salvation today in Christ by grace alone.

    James shows his works justified him before men, and in Israel's program, that was required for salvation. To conflate these is to erase the God-given distinction between the prophetic kingdom program and the mystery Body of Christ.

    The Greek word for justification is (dikaisis), meaning the act of declaring righteous, a legal acquittal before God. Rooted in , "to justify, declare just."

    G&P
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    The question of whether Paul preached a different gospel than the other apostles must be handled with careful distinction. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-11, Paul indeed affirms the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as the heart of the gospel-truths that Peter and the other apostles also proclaimed. Verse 11 makes clear: "Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed." The core of salvation has always rested on Christ. In that sense, the content of the gospel concerning His person and work was the same.

    However, the progressive revelation and the unique stewardship was given to Paul. Paul refers to "my gospel" ( Romans 16:25; 2 Timothy 2:8) and "the revelation of the mystery" hidden from ages past but now revealed ( Ephesians 3:1-9; Colossians 1:25-27). This mystery concerns the formation of the Body of Christ, composed of both Jew and Gentile without distinction, saved by grace through faith apart from works of the Law ( Ephesians 2:8-9). This was not the focus of Peter's message at Pentecost, where the emphasis was still the kingdom offer to Israel ( Acts 2-3), tied to repentance, baptism, and awaiting the promised restoration.

    James, writing to the twelve tribes ( James 1:1), indeed addressed believing Jews struggling to live out their faith amid trial. His emphasis on works demonstrated the reality of faith within Israel's kingdom program. Paul, by contrast, ministered to Gentiles under the dispensation of grace, emphasizing justification apart from works ( Romans 3:28). The apparent tension between James 2 and Paul's letters resolves when we rightly divide the Word ( 2 Timothy 2:15), understanding different audiences and dispensational contexts.

    see pg2
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Chris,

    I appreciate your careful observations about James and the Law, but from a dispensational perspective we must carefully note both his audience and his program. James 1:1 makes it clear that his epistle is written "to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." That identifies his readership as Israel, not the Body of Christ. Paul confirms this distinction in Galatians 2:9, where James, Peter, and John agreed to minister to "the circumcision," while Paul was sent to the Gentiles. This is a vital dispensational boundary marker.

    You are right that James uses the Law to show the seriousness of sin and the impossibility of keeping it perfectly. Yet his emphasis on "works" still reflects Israel's prophetic, kingdom program, where faith and obedience were tied together under covenant expectations. For example, Jesus in Matthew 5-7 taught that righteousness for Israel's kingdom hope must be lived out, not just professed. James echoes that when he insists that faith without works is dead ( James 2:20). These "works" were not simply the fruit of faith in the Pauline sense, but the evidences of a faith that endured under trial and proved covenant loyalty.

    Paul, on the other hand, reveals the mystery program where justification is by grace alone through faith alone apart from works ( Romans 3:28; Ephesians 2:8-10). For the Body of Christ, works follow salvation as fruit, not as a condition of proving faith for covenant standing. James does not lay out the finished cross-work as the sole basis of justification the way Paul does in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, because his focus is not on the revelation of the mystery but on exhorting Israel's believing remnant to live consistently with their kingdom calling.

    Thus, while James highlights the vitality of true faith, dispensationally we must recognize he writes within Israel's program, not Paul's. Both are inspired, but they address distinct audiences under different dispensations-how anyone misses this is beyond me.

    G&P
  • Chris - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Lbooth1955. Thanks again for your reply, as I also read your replies to the others who responded to you.

    If I could make a distinction here that might help us to progress: I realize that James does mention the Law (that Israel received) in James 2:9-11 & James 4:11); but James refers to the "Law" here to show that the Law was given to reveal sin and that breaking even one Command meant guilt to all the Law. And in 4:11, that those who judge another, set themselves up as judges of the Law and not a doer of the Law. In both these references, James is not advocating that obedience to the Law was a necessary part of faith that resulted in works (a part of "covenantal law-keeping faith"), but of "the perfect law of liberty" ( James 1:25), that contrasts with the Law that keeps man enslaved leading to punishment & death.

    Rather, James' mention of "works" ( James 2:14-26 & James 3:13), indicate that he was not referring to the works from obedience to the Law but to the works produced by a real vibrant faith. For the works of the Law can have no application to the one in Christ, for it would only place him into bondage & judgement. So, if we can agree that the "works" written by James, refers to that which faith produces and not of the Law's demands, then we not only see James writing as he does to that particular readership, but he does so on the same basis as Paul. Onto Page 2.
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Ronald,

    It's great to hear from you...

    I see what you're getting at. The statement you shared is a very common way of harmonizing Paul and James, but from a dispensational perspective, it's not fully accurate.

    1. Different Audiences and Programs

    Paul was given a unique revelation of the "mystery" ( Eph. 3:2-9; Col. 1:25-27). His gospel was apart from the law and revealed the Body of Christ, made up of Jew and Gentile with no distinction ( Rom. 3:28; Gal. 3:28).

    James, by contrast, wrote specifically "to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" ( James 1:1). His context was Israel's kingdom program, where faith and works were still tied to Israel's covenantal promises. To Israel, repentance and righteous deeds were outward proofs of loyalty to Messiah and readiness for the kingdom ( Matt. 5-7; Acts 2-3).

    2. Paul vs. James on Justification

    Paul: "A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law" ( Rom. 3:28). He teaches that works have no role in obtaining salvation; salvation is fully secured by Christ's finished cross-work.

    James: "By works a man is justified, and not by faith only" ( James 2:24). James is not explaining justification in the same sense as Paul. He's speaking to Jews who already believed in Messiah but needed to show faith through active obedience-because their kingdom hope required perseverance and visible faithfulness.

    To smooth this over by saying "James just meant evidence" doesn't fully deal with the tension. James places salvific weight on works in his program, while Paul excludes them in ours.

    3. Progressive Revelation Explains the Difference

    James wasn't contradicting Paul, but he wasn't teaching Paul's message either. At the time, Israel's prophetic program had not yet been fully set aside, and the Body of Christ revelation was still unfolding. Galatians 2:7-9 shows the clear division: James stayed with the circumcision; Paul went to the Gentiles with the gospel of grace.

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  • Lbooth1955 - 7 months ago
    To all that be in Christ,

    Many assume James and Paul preached the same message, yet Scripture reveals a clear difference in their ministries. The Apostle Paul's gospel centers fully upon the finished work of Christ-His death, burial, and resurrection. Paul boldly declares, "We preach Christ crucified" ( 1 Cor. 1:23), and emphasizes redemption "through His blood" ( Eph. 1:7). The cross is the foundation of Paul's gospel of grace, given directly by revelation from the risen Christ ( Gal. 1:11-12). Paul's message is salvation by grace through faith alone, apart from works ( Eph. 2:8-9).

    In contrast, James writes to "the twelve tribes" ( James 1:1), clearly identifying his audience as Israel. His focus is not on the cross or the blood of Christ but on practical righteousness, urging believers to show their faith by works ( James 2:24). James stresses endurance under trials, bridling the tongue, and caring for the poor, but never once does he mention the cross, the shed blood, or the resurrection as the basis of salvation. His concern is living faith demonstrated in deeds, consistent with the kingdom program promised to Israel.

    I challenge you: search the book of James from beginning to end and show one verse where James ever speaks of the cross, the blood of Christ, or the finished work of Calvary. You will not find it. Paul's gospel is Christ-centered and cross-centered; James' message is law-keeping faith for Israel's kingdom hope. These are not the same.

    Grace and Peace.
  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    Further insights on typical character traits of artists; musicians and poets.

    God is the source of all good gifts from above (see James 1:17). The enemy of our souls; of course knows how to channel our souls through our emotions toward self-absorption which then leads to destruction through the dual paths of self obsession that focuses on adulation of others and worldly success with the self destruction that such a performance based lifestyle inevitably results in.

    Last night I was reading about a famous British poet who married someone of the same talents who tried to support each other's creativity. In this case his wife's mental illness due to being brought up to do everything perfectly; losing her father early in life; etc led to her own tensions; mental breakdowns and ultimately suicide after her husband's infidelity which caused his lover to also kill herself and take one of her kids with her; and apparently another son later on did the same that he had with his first wife. I don't need to mention names here; and not sure if I'm allowed to. My point is what we see here is repeated among musicians and artists (such as Van Gogh). Oftentimes substance abuse accompanies this run towards self destruction. In the case of the aforementioned couple in the beginning of this paragraph; further insight and documentaries shows how the occult directly was involved; which again is the means which many at the "crossroads" so to speak are said to make the deal with the Devil for success. Today; as it were it is "in your face" in regard to the whole society embracing Satan showing that indeed we are in the last hour before th Tribulation.

    Yesterday I listened to a song by a relative unknown regarding entering heaven where there is no more pain and was struck by how the Spirit of God seemed to write the lyrics and the harmony. Again I realize here I probably can't recommend anyone; but am saying that the opposite of total abandon to God is a cold heart.
  • Azzan77 - 7 months ago
    Greeting's

    James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

    Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof

    Blessings
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Brother Ronald.

    I'm not sure if you have been following those posts by Lbooth1955.

    The context of him answering Brother Chris reply was are they (Israel) mentioned in James 1:1 and James 2:1 incorporated into Christ's Body, the Church, as we are?'

    If not are they saved some other way?

    It's a important salvation issue!

    Not a eschatology debate that can easily derail topic.

    I don't think Lbooth1955 answered Brother Chris reply with those 3 pages.

    Blessings.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hello, Cordellwbeesr.

    Brother Jesse has provided Scriptures to consider on this matter. I could offer Scriptures that would debate these points, but that would not answer your questions. This doctrine originated in 325 A.D. and was expanded over the next 150 years or so. You need to pray and study for your own conscience.

    The majority support this doctrine, and some believe it is essential to be a Christian. Jesus is our Lord, and He gave His life to pay the penalty for sin so that we, through Him, can be reconciled to God. The wages of sin are death, Romans 6:23. Jesus' death on the cross paid this price.

    Jesus had His own will, but was obedient and did the will of the Father, John 14:31, Luke 22:42, John 5:30, John 17:16, John 12:49.

    The Chalcedonian Creed A.D. 451 states, "Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, in confusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of nature's being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved." Does Scripture support this?

    God alone possesses immortality, 1 Timothy 6:16. Our faith rests on the death and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 1 Corinthians 15:12-17. God cannot die. Jesus was tempted in the same ways we are, Hebrews 4:14-16. God cannot be tempted, James 1:13.

    The Bible will answer all questions we have if we are ready to receive the answer, Matthew 7:7, James 1:5, with prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-not man.

    God bless your study,

    RLW
  • Azzan77 - 7 months ago
    Greeting's

    1 Corinthians 3:18 "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise."

    James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

    Blessings
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    James continued,

    James' readers were indeed believers, but the framework of their belief must be understood dispensationally. James 2:1 affirms they had "the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ," yet James 1:1 makes clear his epistle is written "to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." This indicates Jewish believers under Israel's prophetic program, not the Body of Christ formed through Paul's revelation of the mystery. Their faith was genuine, but it was linked to the promises given to Israel concerning the coming kingdom.

    Dispensational truth shows two distinct ministries: Paul, entrusted with the "dispensation of the grace of God" ( Eph. 3:2), reveals the gospel of the uncircumcision-salvation by grace through faith alone, apart from works or covenant promises ( Rom. 3:28; Eph. 2:8-9). In this gospel, Jew and Gentile are united into one Body ( Eph. 2:14-16). James, however, operates within Israel's covenantal framework, where faith was demonstrated by obedience to God's commands, such as Abraham offering Isaac or Rahab receiving the spies ( Jas. 2:21-25). These "works" did not replace faith but evidenced a living faith expected of Israel as she prepared for her promised kingdom ( Acts 3:19-21).

    Thus, James' audience were true believers but not members of the Body of Christ revealed through Paul. They were saved within Israel's prophetic program, awaiting the earthly kingdom. Paul's audience, by contrast, belongs to the Body, a heavenly people with a distinct calling. Dispensationalism preserves this distinction, avoiding confusion between the prophetic promises to Israel and the mystery program revealed to Paul. Both groups believed God's Word to them, yet their identity, destiny, and message were not the same.
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 7 months ago
    James...

    James 2:18 declares: "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James addresses "the twelve tribes scattered abroad" ( James 1:1), pointing directly to Israel in dispersion. His message continues Israel's covenant program, where faith must be evidenced by works as proof of loyalty to God's promises. This aligns with the prophetic requirement that obedience secured covenant blessing ( Deut. 28).

    James stresses that a faith without works is "dead" ( James 2:17). His examples are Abraham, who demonstrated faith by offering Isaac ( James 2:21-23), and Rahab, who showed faith by sheltering the spies ( James 2:25). Both lived under Israel's program, where covenant faith was confirmed through outward deeds. This context differs from Paul's later revelation to the Body of Christ. Paul writes: "To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" ( Rom. 4:5). He too cites Abraham, but from Genesis 15:6-when he simply believed God before Isaac was offered.

    Dispensationally, there is no contradiction. James applies Genesis 22, highlighting faith proven by action, consistent with Israel's prophetic expectation and even Christ's own teaching: "Let your light so shine before men" ( Matt. 5:16). Paul, however, reveals the "mystery" of justification apart from works ( Rom. 3:28; Eph. 2:8-9), given uniquely to the Body of Christ.

    Thus James 2:18 fits Israel's covenant framework, while Paul's writings explain salvation under grace today. Both are true, but for different dispensational purposes.

    we agree on much, but not all and that's ok.

    Grace and Peace
  • Chris - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Thank you once again Lbooth1955 for that very detailed reply. The core of the matter as I see it, is understanding what Gospel was preached by Paul and James to their respective audiences. Even leaving aside (your quote), "James is addressing Israel under their prophetic program, not the mystery revealed to Paul ( Eph. 3:1-9)..That sets the framework", my concern is 'what Gospel did these men refer to that brought the unsaved Jew & Gentile into God's Salvation?' If James' Gospel to the Jew was 'salvation by faith plus works', this is not the Gospel, regardless of whether his readers are under God's prophetic program or not - the Gospel must be the same in every detail or else it is a false Gospel.

    You also stated that James 1:1 readership "is not the Body of Christ but Israel in dispersion." Are you saying that they were not believers? As mentioned in another comment, James 2:1 strongly suggests that his readership had "the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ"; and this tells me that these were believers of Jewish heritage. I can't see how a people under their prophetic program, who have received and believed the Gospel could be anything else than true believers saved by faith alone and in the Body of Christ. If they are not true believers, then how can James write what he does in his epistle? Onto Page 2.
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Chris,

    Here's a more detailed breakdown for you.

    . The Gospel of the Kingdom

    Audience: Israel, under the covenants and promises.

    Message: The long-promised kingdom, with Messiah reigning on David's throne, was "at hand."

    Matthew 4:23 - "And Jesus went about preaching the gospel of the kingdom"

    Matthew 10:5-7 - The Twelve were sent only to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" with this gospel.

    Luke 22:29-30 - The apostles are promised to sit on twelve thrones judging Israel in that kingdom.

    Acts 3:19-21 - Peter still offers the kingdom if Israel repents, showing this program was continuing post-cross.

    This gospel was prophetic, rooted in promises made "since the world began" ( Luke 1:70; Acts 3:21).

    2. The Gospel of the Grace of God (Paul's Gospel)

    Audience: Jew and Gentile alike, apart from Israel's covenants.

    Message: Christ's death, burial, and resurrection for sins, offering free justification by faith.

    Acts 20:24 - Paul calls it "the gospel of the grace of God."

    Romans 16:25 - This gospel was "according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began."

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - The content: Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again.

    Galatians 1:11-12 - Paul received it by direct revelation from Christ, not from the Twelve.

    This gospel creates the Body of Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 3:6), uniting Jew and Gentile in one new man.

    3. Jews Responding to Both Programs

    Some Jews believed Peter and the Eleven's message of the kingdom ( Acts 2:41; Acts 4:4). James writes to these scattered tribes ( James 1:1), exhorting them in kingdom-related works and endurance.

    Other Jews believed Paul's gospel of grace and became part of the Body ( Rom. 11:13-14; 1 Cor. 9:20-22).

    4. Dispensational Distinction

    Kingdom Gospel = Israel's prophetic hope on earth.

    Grace Gospel = Body of Christ's heavenly hope, revealed through Paul.

    Both have Christ as center, but their scope and promises differ.

    see pg2
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    pg2

    1. Audience and Dispensation

    James 1:1 opens the letter: "To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad." This is not the Body of Christ but Israel in dispersion. Dispensationally, James is addressing Israel under their prophetic program, not the mystery revealed to Paul ( Eph. 3:1-9). That sets the framework.

    2. Faith and Works in James

    James 2:14-18 ties justification to works as a demonstration of faith: "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (v.24). For Israel under covenant, faith was expected to be shown by obedience and works of righteousness ( Lev. 18:5; Ezek. 18:9). This aligns with the kingdom program, where enduring faithfulness proved genuine belief ( Matt. 24:13).

    3. Contrast with Paul's Gospel

    Paul, writing to Gentiles and the Body of Christ, stresses that justification is "without works" ( Rom. 3:28; 4:5; Eph. 2:8-9). Works flow from salvation but never contribute to justification. The moment faith is placed in Christ's finished work ( 1 Cor. 15:1-4), the believer is declared righteous. Any later works are for reward, not for maintaining or proving justification ( 1 Cor. 3:13-15).

    4. Why It Cannot Be the Same

    If James meant only "works resulting from faith" in the Pauline sense, then his statement in 2:24 directly contradicts Paul. Instead, dispensationalism recognizes they were speaking to different groups under different revelations:

    James = Israel's faith proven by works within kingdom promises.

    Paul = the Body of Christ justified apart from works, living under grace.

    Romans 11:6 settles the distinction: "If by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace." Mixing James' works-based proof with Paul's grace-alone gospel collapses the distinction God revealed.

    Grace and Peace
  • Chris - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Thanks for the clarification Lbooth1955 that James is writing to the dispersed believing Jews, but sadly, I still need a further clarification. You stated that "the audience (in James 1:1) is unmistakably Israel"; that "James was writing to the twelve tribes, not the Body of Christ..and these were believing Jews..".

    This leaves me confused, so the question, 'how can these be believing Jews and not also be a very real part of the Body of Christ'? By believing, I understand that they have, like us, recognized their sin, their need of a Savior, and have looked only to Him for their salvation and not to their works, whether in the Law, their acts towards God, or by election. Or maybe, you have a different view of these Jews. So, if you could clarify this point for me: can Jews who have put their faith in Jesus not be considered as members of equal standing to Gentiles in the Body of Christ? I'm not referring to Messianic Jews, as we have now, whose beliefs can be held in question, but to those who have come to faith as we have & left all for Christ. Blessings.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Very Interesting Lbooth1955!

    I too believe that the Gospel of the kingdom is distinct from the Gospel to the Church.



    However, I never studied it in depth.

    In fact I never considered James 1:1 through James 2:1 as you mentioned it.

    This reminds me of Deuteronomy 18:15-19

    "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

    According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

    And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

    I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

    And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him

    This may be a kingdom prophecy!

    This haven't happened yet to the point where Israel as a nation hearkens to the words of the Lord.

    I've always viewed this as a prophecy for the Church.

    I believe it's atleast provocative and worthy of a in depth study.

    Blessings.
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hi GiGI,

    From a dispensational perspective, the tension between James 2:24 ("by works a man is justified, and not by faith only") and Paul's clear statement in Romans 3:28 ("a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law") is resolved by recognizing the distinct audiences and purposes of their writings. James 1:1 explicitly addresses "the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad"-Israel in dispersion. His emphasis on works demonstrating faith fits Israel's prophetic and kingdom program, where faith had to be validated by works (cf. Matt. 24:13; Acts 3:19-21). James is not laying out the gospel of grace as revealed to Paul, but reinforcing Israel's covenant responsibility of faith proven by deeds.

    Paul, by contrast, reveals the "mystery" gospel ( Rom. 16:25; Eph. 3:1-9), hidden until given to him, where justification is by faith alone in Christ's finished work ( 1 Cor. 15:1-4). This is not "overlaying bias," but taking Scripture in its own stated context. All Scripture is indeed inspired and profitable ( 2 Tim. 3:16), but "profitable" does not mean all Scripture is written to us. For example, Leviticus laws or temple sacrifices are not binding today, yet they instruct us about God's holiness. In the same way, James is for our learning, but Paul's epistles are uniquely to the Body of Christ concerning salvation and justification in this dispensation.

    Dispensationalism does not diminish the whole Bible; it respects God's progressive revelation. To blend James and Paul as if both are directly prescribing doctrine for the Church today obscures the very clarity Paul magnifies: salvation apart from works. The Spirit does not leave us with contradiction-He calls us to "rightly divide the word of truth" ( 2 Tim. 2:15).

    I hope this helps!

    Grace and Peace.
  • Lbooth1955 - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Hello Chris,

    Regarding James, I must have misspoken or maybe not clear on my standing.

    I'll try to give some clarity here.

    James 1:1 declares, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." The audience is unmistakably Israel. James is writing to the twelve tribes, not the Body of Christ. These were believing Jews dispersed outside their land. Dispensationally, this aligns with God's prophetic and kingdom program, not the mystery revealed to Paul. The letter prepares the scattered remnant for endurance under trial (1:2), looking toward tribulation and kingdom promises. The timing is before Paul's mystery truth became central, fitting the framework of Israel's ongoing kingdom offer.

    James 2:1 continues, "My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons." The "brethren" are the same Jewish believers, Israel's faithful remnant. The teaching flows from kingdom law, echoing Christ's Sermon on the Mount: impartiality, humility, and mercy. Their faith is kingdom faith in Messiah as Lord of glory, awaiting His earthly reign. This is not Paul's justification by faith apart from works ( Romans 3-5). Rather, James stresses faith validated by works (2:14-26), a hallmark of the kingdom program. Genuine allegiance to Messiah must show itself outwardly as proof during testing.

    In comparison, James 1:1 defines the scope: the audience is Israel's twelve tribes. James 2:1 exhorts them in their kingdom walk. Both confirm James is not doctrinally written to the Gentile Body of Christ but to Israel under prophecy. Paul's letters, not James, unfold the gospel of grace and truth of the Body in this dispensation.

    Grace and Peace.
  • Gerald - In Reply - 8 months ago
    I agree fir are not " All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is good for correction reproof and instruction in righteousness able to furnish the man of God." Does not that " ALL " mean all ?! Then James 1:1 applies also to me and to all .

    The Old Testament is for me for all of it is profitable to study and think about.

    The book revelation is for me as well as those churches mentioned indeed The last book can't realy be understood as it shouid be without a good understanding of the first book . For all that was sown in that book has its fruit in the last and the foundations of faith can be found in it also and give confidence to look ahead into the last book .


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