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Hi Donna. Debra was a judge in Israel. The church was not called out. There is no mention of the Lady elect in 2 John being a preacher.

And the 2 woman at the tomb, The church still haven't started and that was not preaching,

1 Timothy 2:12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. The church is a gathering, a people called out. I think the emphasis here is when gathered ""men and women"" she is to be silent, meaning not to give input to teach. However I believe she can teach other or younger women.

Titus 2:3-5. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? And please don't take that as a sign of disrespect. I do know a woman in a marriage is supposed to model the bride of Christ. Maybe someone can elaborate on it a bit more. Thank you

What state do you live in Donna? I'm glad I could help! If you have any more questions about the Bible or anything else, please comment on here, and I will answer any questions of yours!

Blessings,

Sarah Chessiy

No doubt Romans is life changing , and yet understanding the power which enables us to uphold the passages is most important... Charity, without it we have nothing.

What is Charity,, its the love of God manifested in our mortal bodies just like it was in Jesus , its the willingness to lay aside every thing for the sake of the Gospel and Jesus , Every thing we have acquired from above must be given back , it must be laid before the alter with thanksgiving ( ITS ALL ABOUT HIM )

Greetings, Cecil,

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Mat 24:36

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."Mar 13:32

We know that Jesus is God in the flesh, The Second Person of The Trinity. Jesus was fully human and fully divine. Yet he hid parts of His deity, in order to live as a man. He chose to not know. Rather He humbled Himself and became obedience unto death, even the death on the cross.

Hope this helps.

Matthew Chapter 24 and Mark 13, explains this very well.

Matthew 24:1-51 and Mark 13:4-37

Matthew 24:38-41 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mark 13:6 "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Thank you so much. Our previous pastor who has passed away taught us women are not allowed to preach and i read it in 1Corinthians. Thank you for sharing this with me!!

Good afternoon,

I just happened to stumble in this area of the website and read the comments about the Bible and women preachers. Let me encourage you there are women preachers in the Word of God. You have Deborah the prophetess in the Old Testament who was one of the Judges ( Judges 4:4-5), the Lady Elect in the New Testament (2 John) and then you have the women who was sent not only by the angel sitting at Jesus' tomb to proclaim He had risen to His disciples, but on the way, they met Jesus who greeted them and instructed them to tell his brethren to go to Galilee to see Him there. They were the first to see and proclaim Jesus was alive and rose from the dead.

Sometimes the Word of God can be misconstrued and taken out of context. This is why we have to pray and study God's word ourselves (ref. 2 Timothy 2:15) along with being taught by our leader.

I also believe King James Version is the best version to read. If you have a hard time understanding ask God to open your understanding to His truth. I also recommend keeping a commentary next to you as you read the Word of God. Matthew Henry is a good commentary to read.

I pray this information has helped you.

Does Jesus know wean He is coming back?

Donna,

I suggest to find a different church to go to. The NIV version is never accurate, and what you read in the NIV won't ever be true. The NIV is called New International Version. The KJV version is the only one that will EVER be true. God wrote the Bible thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago. Hundreds and hundreds of years later, people have tried to change what the Bible says. Neither God or the Bible will change. So I suggest finding and going to a different church. I have a suggestion of what church you should go to, but first, what state are you in?

Blessings,

Sarah Chessiy

Donna Vargas,

"we are without a preacher right now and they are cinsidering an interm"

The "we" and "they" have to talk things through. Never forget Christ himself is the spiritual head of any church, and he dwells in the heart and head of every believer. Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

That is what I thought however we do not have a pastor at this time and the church is considering an interim pastor but is a woman. We are Baptist, church is Baptist but reads out of the NIV. We are a very small church and most of us are over 70. What do you suggest. They don't seem to be having a problem with a woman preaching. Thank you for taking time for me.

Donna

That's what I thought but we are without a preacher right now and they are cinsidering sn interm and she it's a woman. We are a Baptist church and they use a NIV

Donna,

To answer your question, women should not preach in church. But in other religious churches that believe God is not real or Jesus is still dead, those kind of churches probably, more than likely will allow or want women to preach. But in churches that believe in the KJV Bible, they do not believe that women should preach. A couple or few may allow women to preach, but pretty much all churches believing in the KJV version do not allow or want or even let women preach. Does that answer your question?

Blessings,

Sarah Chessiy

Is it true that a woman should not preach in church

Sandra,

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4

Which law spells out forgiveness? Had I a choice to only break one of the ten in my lifetime, no matter which I choose, forgiveness isn't there. Righteousness by the law was fulfilled by only one person, the Lord Jesus. That righteousness is what is imputed to those who believe, therefore, those who believe are under no obligation to do, what only Jesus did. However, once the love of God is received it shows in the life of a believer, perhaps not always perfectly, but it grows in their earthly lifetime.

It is the pride of the flesh to think that before the law a person lacks nothing. Matthew 19:30

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

"To demonstrate our love for God and His Son, Jesus Christ, is to conduct our lives in harmony with the Ten Commandments." It is pride that attaches eternal life to the letter of the law. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." 1John 1:17 The law is in the sphere of the work of the Holy Spirit, John 16:8, "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment". Believers testify of Christ's, grace and truth. I have no doubt the Holy Spirit within a believer will not lead them to violate any of the ten commandments, because the righteousness of Christ exceeds the letter of the law.

Sandra, Are all your sins forgiven?

Verse 28-the privilege or ruling with Christ Jesus in heaven is open to both men and women.

Sandra, I do agree with what you've said about the 'law of commandments contained in ordinances', that the reference here is not to the Ten Commandments but to those other laws pertaining to sacrifices, new moons, sabbaths, etc., but not just these only, but all the Law was fully met by Jesus & then abrogated at the Cross.

"The Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good", but its usefulness, effectiveness & applicability became redundant at the Cross. For sin, taking its authority from the commandment, 'slew' Paul, because that was all the Law could do. What Paul hoped that the Law would give him life, instead only brought him death. So he said that "with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Was Paul saying that he was still going back to God's Laws, obeying in them in his mind & allowing his flesh to sin? No. In the very next verses he says in Romans 8:1-4: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." The Law of sin & death (the Ten Commandments & not just the Law contained in Ordinances, but the whole) which slew him, he now rejected, but rather a new Law of the Spirit had taken its place & brought him freedom & power to fulfil the righteousness of the Law.

And Galatians 3:19, as you quoted, doesn't refer to the Ordinances but to the Law - indeed that whole Chapter 3 is devoted to pointing the believers from depending on the 'works of the Law' to the application of faith through the Spirit.

Some churches preach to this day that Jesus abolished the Ten Commandments when He died on the cross. They proclaim this assumption by using Ephesians 2:15 as their basis of evidence, which says. "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;..." The obvious truth here is, that the verse states that it was the Commandments contained in ORDINANCES that was abolished at the cross. Not the Ten Commandments contained in stone. The passage in Colossians 2:14-17 has also been used to preach the Commandments abolished. But if you read it you will find it was, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances", again that is mentioned in that passage. According to the Word of God, these ordinances were "added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" ( Galatians 3:19) It's rather clear to see here that the "commandments contained in ordinances" were added by Moses for a specific reason. If we read the passage again we see it also states these ordinances were only added TILL the seed should come. And who was this seed according to Scripture? Galatians 3:16 boldly proclaims, "thy seed, which is Christ."

The commandments contained in ordinances were added by Moses thousands of years ago as a way to prepare the people for the FIRST arrival of Messiah. They showed their faith in the coming Messiah by keeping the ordinances on a regular basis. When Jesus died on the cross, the ordinances were no longer needed because he fulfilled them by all He did while visiting us as Messiah. The "ordinances" were a series holy days, new moons, and Sabbath days that were to be considered a "shadow of things to come." The word "ordinance" is NOT the same as the word "commandment." where in the Ten Commandments does it speak of "meat and drink?" Nowhere do we find such statements in the Law of God.

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Fred, I think you may be referring to my earlier comments to the enquirer about why Paul wrote to the Galatians. If not, & your comments here are of a general nature & not directed to me, I apologize.

But if could write a few things to what you've written. It's probably good to stay with Galatians, since Paul is quite thorough in his teaching of the Law vs Grace. And this was so, as you noted, that the Church(es) there were being infiltrated by these proponents of the necessity of keeping the Law in all its forms coupled with embracing the freedom that the believer has in Christ.

Firstly, the Law can never complement the Gospel of Grace - they are opposed to each other in both meaning & application. If searching hard for a connection, it would have to be that both are from the same Author: given at different times & for different outcomes. The Law by its very nature & objective was given because "of transgressions till the Seed should come" (3:19). The Law was given to Israel so that they might know God's requirements for them, to be made aware of the nature & effects of sin ( Romans 7:9) & the compulsion to deal with it with sacrifices which diverted God's Anger & Judgement upon them. This was a continual offering because sin was a continual burden to the soul. The sacrifices & odours were acceptable to God in view of the One great & perfect Offering made & given by God that would be offered once & for all people ( Hebrews 10:10,12,14).

Secondly, Paul's dealing with the Judaizers was very stern, because any fusing of the old Jewish Law with the New Covenant through Jesus would never work. Paul even appealed to Abraham ( Galatians 3:6-18) to show that God accepted him for his faith, & the blessings to the (gentile) nations could only come based on that faith alone. If what we inherit came by obedience to the Law, then it would no longer be "by promise", as what was assured to Abraham.

Unfortunately, Men have allowed their flesh instead of the Holy Spirit to Reveal to them what Paul is saying. God didn't say Wonen couldn't be Pastor's or Speak in the "Church" Paul wS speaking to the Church if Corinth and Timothy was speaking to the Jews that had allowed the women to usurp authority due to their carnal behavior! Through out the OT/NT God has used Women and then Galatians 3:28 is very Clear that God is okay with Women Pastor's, The Samaritan woman and Jesus interaction at the Well open the door for the 20th and 21st century to finally allow Wonen to Walk in the 5 fold Ministry today! God gave that permission not Paul. Paul was chastising the "Church" because the women there, was out of control. That's why the Disciples didn't question Him/Jesus! Deborah, Esther, Phoebe and many other Women are recognized in Scripture. Mariam was a Prophetess! Don't be deceived by the enemy, that God barred the Women from Pastoring God's flock and Winning Souls for the Kingdom of God. Roman's 10:12, Colossians 3:11...Amen

1 Timothy 2:11-13: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve."

The Scripture actually is Paul speaking to Timothy about his ministerial responsibilities & not Timothy speaking to the Jews. This is nevertheless a clear directive based on the order of creation: even though Adam & Eve were created equal in every respect, yet God chose the order of creation, that Adam (man) be created first under God & then Eve, under man. In society, this order can have some bearing, but in the Church, that order must be followed: that man has been given the authority to lead God's people & to teach them accordingly. Women have not that privilege, but have doubtless played vital roles in the Church (as you have shown) & as helpers to Paul & Timothy & others.

Your reference to Galatians 3:28, Romans 10:12 & Colossians 3:11, are indications of a woman's equality to men & particularly as those 'in Christ'. They have nothing to do with the order within Christ's Church. Any evidence of a woman usurping that position, is contrary to God's order & requirement. It was never seen in the NT Church nor evidence in the Church subsequent. This is new phenomenon: from about the 1900s this came to be evident (I may be corrected on this date), as the emancipation movement of women grew & with the advent of the world wars, there were fewer men to lead the Church. But this was never from biblical design & ought to have been corrected but unfortunately has increasingly become the norm in some Churches & it has been accepted with disregard to Divine instruction. And lest you think that I have something against women as leaders, I do not. In many instances (both secular & religious), women actually do a better job than men, but that doesn't give permission to re-interpret God's Word.

Unfortunately, Men have allowed their flesh instead of the Holy Spirit to Reveal to them what Paul is saying. God didn't say Wonen couldn't be Pastor's or Speak in the "Church" Paul wS speaking to the Church if Corinth and Timothy was speaking to the Jews that had allowed the women to usurp authority due to their carnal behavior! Through out the OT/NT God has used Women and then Galatians 3:28 is very Clear that God is okay with Women Pastor's, The Samaritan woman and Jesus interaction at the Well open the door for the 20th and 21st century to finally allow Wonen to Walk in the 5 fold Ministry today! God gave that permission not Paul. Paul was chastising the "Church" because the women there, was out of control. That's why the Disciples didn't question Him/Jesus! Deborah, Esther, Phoebe and many other Women are recognized in Scripture. Mariam was a Prophetess! Don't be deceived by the enemy, that God barred the Women from Pastoring God's flock and Winning Souls for the Kingdom of God. Roman's 10:12, Colossians 3:11...Amen

Hi John.. Galatians 3:28 (KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Hi Lou, I grew up protestant so I'm not too familiar with RC tradition of communion or if there is a difference, but for me as I'm walking up for communion (pre covid) I look at the cross and say a little prayer of thanks to Jesus and for his sacrifice on the cross for my salvation. The actual act of going up and accepting the bread and wine in communion, is merely a public acknowledgement that you believe (faith) in the salvation of the cross and all that it stands for. As in Luke chapter 22 Jesus states that as you eat the bread or drink the wine that you do this in remembrance of Him. I also think that you answered your own question in that by grace through faith and prayer, we do seek forgiveness with God the Father through Christ Jesus. Throughout the NT some of Jesus and his apostles main teachings are faith (believe), forgiveness, mercy, compassion and so on. I hope this helps.

Hebrews chapter 11 Paul explains faith, John 3:16,

Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

Donald,

Read 1 Corinthians 8:8. Righteous before God is not by what you do, but by what you believe. Did Jesus pay for YOUR sins? The law was a schoolmaster to show us we are sinners that need Christ for salvation, not to make us good enough for God to save. Galatians 3:24. People who see a relationship with God through merit, are not only wrong, but also misrepresent what the real relationship looks like.

HI Anonymous. PG 2. Genesis 17:20-21. Ishmael I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; 12 princes he will beget, and will make him a great nation, But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this time set time in the next year...As you study Galatians Ch 4, you see in verses 4:22-31, you see the working of 2 covenants which all man kind is under one or another, But our focus is on the seed and the promise: Gal.4:28. Now we brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Galatians 3:6-8, Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith are children of Abraham... Now Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not and to seeds, as of many; but to as of one, And that seed ,which is Christ. Hebrews 6:13-20, For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he swear by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And so after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men verily swear by the greater; and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife-

For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. The commandments to Love our Lord with all and to Love one another, on these hand ALL Laws and ALL PROPHETS!

May the truth find you and set you free

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

when we are born again, WE ARE ADOPTED INTO OUR LORD!

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father

We are one in CHRIST JESUS

HALLELUJAH

Paula Roberts, Acts20:7 is the earliest pattern of meeting to break bread, the first day of the week, long before there was a vatican. An individual can worship God at any time, but the body of believers, gathered together, should follow the pattern established by the apostles and early disciples, seen here in scripture.

If you are influenced by Adventist teaching, it may be justification by works that is causing the pushback. Following the Bible is not the way to heaven, knowing Christ has paid for all your sins is the only way. If you ever think you can be good enough, that's wrong.

The Sabbath/rest for Christians is throughly discussed by Paul in Hebrews 3&4. In particular, Heb.4:11, that is, a rest from our efforts to obtain salvation by our own works. What are you going to offer to God, that would add to the work of his son on the cross??? To offer anything is to diminish his ability to save you by his grace.

Israel/the world, was under the law(a schoolmaster Galatians 3:24 & 25) to bring them to Christ. The Church is by grace. Romans 6 There are many so called churches that confuse the distinctions between Israel and the Church, Adventists being only one.

ALL the work of salvation was done by Christ. You are saved, if you believe/trust him alone. 1Cor.15:3&4, Romans 10:9,10,11

Paula Roberts, Acts20:7 is the earliest pattern of meeting to break bread, the first day of the week, long before there was a vatican. An individual can worship God at any time, but the body of believers, gathered together, should follow the pattern established by the apostles and early disciples, seen here in scripture.

If you are influenced by Adventist teaching, it may be justification by works that is causing the pushback. Following the Bible is not the way to heaven, knowing Christ has paid for all your sins is the only way. If you ever think you can be good enough, that's wrong.

The Sabbath/rest for Christians is throughly discussed by Paul in Hebrews 3&4. In particular, Heb.4:11, that is, a rest from our efforts to obtain salvation by our own works. What are you going to offer to God, that would add to the work of his son on the cross??? To offer anything is to diminish his ability to save you by his grace.

Israel/the world, was under the law(a schoolmaster Galatians 3:24 & 25) to bring them to Christ. The Church is by grace. Romans 6 There are many so called churches that confuse the distinctions between Israel and the Church, Adventists being only one.

ALL the work of salvation was done by Christ. You are saved, if you believe/trust him alone. 1Cor.15:3&4, Romans 10:9,10,11

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f. Jesus' time of suffering & death came, but also His glorious resurrection, that through this Divine Act of God to redeem ALL men to Himself, both Jew & Gentile would now be acceptable to Him through faith in the efficacy of the shed Blood. Was the Sabbath & the Law still current for the Jew? As long as they lived according to the requirements of the Law, they had to abide by it & were judged by it; if they failed in one part of the given Law, they had failed in all ( Galatians 5:3, Romans 2:13, James 2:10). When the Jew put aside the Law as necessary for salvation, then the application of the Cross became real: that which was based on faith & promise, & not on the letter that only served to reveal him his sin & to draw him to Christ ( Galatians 3:24).

g. So why then is the keeping of the Sabbath still necessary? For the Jew without Christ, it remains a day of rest, as an act of obedience to God, & using that occasion for religious exercises. For the Jew & Gentile who is now "in Christ", the Sabbath, as all other Laws, have no binding, other than the importance of setting a Rest Day aside from our labours, & the Laws that reveal God's Mind & Purpose for both religious & social responsibility. If one, whether Jew, Gentile or Christian, chose to keep any of the Laws, including Sabbath, then they were bound to keep it & the whole Law - there's no option to pick & choose. And by keeping the Law to justify ourselves before God, even one Law, then precludes us from the Grace of God through Christ, because that is diametrically opposed to the meaning of the Law ( Galatians 5:4).