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Amen Sister GiGi.

The early Church began to fragment as Paul said i hear there is divisions among you . lie not to one another . And Micah 5 says he will give them Up Till SHE that is in travail has given birth which is the woman in travail and birth Pains in Rev 12 : 5 kjv. AFTER THE BOOK IS OPENED Then the remnant of his brethren shall return to the Children of Israel . Have not i told ya a zillion times that Elijah has to come and turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children ( what Children ? ( the babes and the sucklings Jesus wd mentions at times ) Remember Isaiah 11 speaks of the babes and the sucklings in his Holy Mountain @ his 2 nd coming thats when the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters that cover the seas @ the 2 nd coming. Jesus made it very plain when he said I am the light of the world but the nite comes when noman can work. There has been a 2000 yr intermission, of darkness spritually speaking and the day of the Lord can not come till there 1st come a great falling away. As David said lover and friend has thou put far from me and my aquaintence into Darkness . Just like there was a 2 day intermission in his life there is also a 2 day intermission in his death Are not the 2000 swine that were lost symbolic of a 2000 yrs lost in the river of time . Rivers are like Times gone by ,Times present and times to come . But Paul said after my death shall grivious wolves enter there in not sparing the FLOCK.

Gigi P.S. By the way I've been in places of worship where supposedly the quote un guote spirit was in operation and it was absolutely ungodly confusion and confusion is not of our God. But there's something that I was taught years ago experience is no guarantee for truth, I always line it up against Gods Word to figure whats really going on, because as you and I both know the enemy plays and manipulates the truth.

Yes, deception and error was present and growing in the church in just a short time period. Thus they many warnings by the writers of the letters to the churches. And it has continued to be a problem in the church down through the ages. But Jesus promised that He will build His church and the gate of hell will not prevail against it. The Lord has preserved His church through the centuries and equipped it with those who refute false teachings (doctrines). These same heresies keep popping up in the church in all time periods. It is wise to know how to identify these heresies when we see them promoted.

Good Morning and God Bless Here's where the fun begins for some detail verse 7 says manifestation, the Gift as you shared is Holy Spirit Gift God given no charge believe and start doing the word, now that you operate the gift is up to you according to your individual believing to operate and walk. The gift is the God given ability the act is carrying out in action of the God given ability then its manifested in the sense realm as we act on what we received.

Example years ago ago my oldest son, came up out of a basement and heavy wooden door slammed His head so loud my wife came out and a neighbor next door. I immediately picked Him up and God said do not look at him just walk around the yard and pray and hold his head. In minutes he immediately shook a little then dad put me down, and he was running around. Now all this transpired in minutes.

He was healed if I would not have operated on the information I received from Father he would not have been healed. Now I not only ministered to my son but the neighbor watched the whole thing later came over ask about it was an open door to share the word and His whole family turned on. We are not defense attorneys for God we are witnesses.

I'm sure and be blessed that we'll have more to share.

Jane,

If you look closely at the verse, it says that it was the herd of pigs that drowned. It does not tell us that the demons themselves drowned. It was the demons that entered into the pigs and caused them to violently run over the edge of the cliff and drown. But it was the pigs that drowned, not the demons.

Hope this helps!

Most likely, Rick. the Corinthian congregations were known for such sensual practices, claiming it was from the Spirit, but in reality, as Paul stated, it was from the realm of carnality.

Agreed, David. We are to walk in the freedom of the Spirit and be willing to learn from others, whether alive now or long ago having died in Christ. I do not reject or despise traditions if I can source them back to the early church practices. In the epistles, many traditions were already being practiced. We, today, are connected by Christ to those early church as well as all believers through the centuries. Christianity is not new on the scene today. In the early church there was so much variation among the congregations because the Christian faith was new and hadn't worked through many factions and differences in practices yet. Some of this is due to the isolation of many congregations, the teachings of their leaders, the slowness of communication between congregations and the apostles, and the limits of the apostles to travel in a timely way. The church went through many changes in the first 200+ years. There was a need to address doctrines that were heretical and to refute sects such as the Judaizers, Docetists, and Gnostics that had arisen within the church.

Frances,

These are all Jews, twelve-thousand from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Rose All mankind in his mind worships either self, others, environment , or man made religion, which is in the category of the imaginations of men. We who are born again daily work on not doing these things of the flesh.

Good Morning, Rick

I read the chapter in 1 Corinthians 12 and recall that it says that there are a diversity of spiritual gifts, but one Spirit who bestows these gifts within believers.. And, it says that He distributes these within the body as he wills. No .one is given all of the gifts, nor is everyone given the same gift/s. I have had hands laid on me with prayer for the Spirit to work further in me when I was in college. But I do believe that everyone receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at conversion and that the Spirit will work in each believer for His power to be manifested in the gifts He gives.

Who are the 144,000 saints in revelation?

P.S. The reason it was not practiced is due to the amount of unbelief and walking by the senses which Paul was always fighting..

Hi Gigi The answer to one of your questions is in 2 Timothy which is a leadership epistle, chapt. 1:13-15 Paul states all asia has turned away from sound doctrine. This guy was given the knowledge of the operation of the body of Christ in the age of grace Ephesians 3:1-7. That is an unbelievable because he witnessed in acts to all asia in 2 years and 3 months, and except for a handle full of believers they all were practicing doctrines of men. This was written less than 70 years after the birthday of the church. So how bad since then has the corruption of other doctrine have gotten. Its really something to think about. Yes I read the the Church Epistles a lot written to the Church of God not saying i don't learn a ton in the Gospels or the rest, and too boot it all fits like a well fitting wet suit!

A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, "Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them." 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

I cannot understand this verse. If the demons are spirits; how can they drown by just entering the pigs?

The 7th day was the day GOD rested,and yes that is sabbath( exodus 20:8-11)this is the Mosaic law but we today honor the 1st day of the week to worship as that is the Day Jesus made the new convenant by rising from the grave. We are no longer under the mosaic law but the new convenant which He made us free, he won the victory and defeat hell and the grave, making it possible for us to be with him in heaven when he returns for us. So we worship on this the first day of the week. There is no command that either saturday or sunday be the day of worship. Refer to Romans 14:5-6 and make your own mind.

Brother David, if God cannot create anything that is not pure, why did man sin, if he was pure he wouldn't have sinned.

He was not pure:

Romans 8:20 For the creature was MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY...... not pure.

Neumon That is correct he hates sin in the context of rebellion and its operation rebellion. also God Created lucifer who at one time was a perfect angel until rebellion was found in Him and he became evil. Just keeping the record straight.

God is perfect love and pure light and in the epistle of 1 John it say God is Light and in him is no darkness at all, a being who is pure cannot create a being impure. Its like man he was pure but became impure when man broke Gods word same thing different part of creation.

Its amazing to me how many things are blamed or attributed to God that in his word in the correct context He Does Not Do.

S. Spencer Your Last line said it all baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin was all it took, then signs miracles and wonders follow those that believe, been there still do that.

There is wisdom in a multitude of counselors and Iron sharpen Iron, the word is like a spring of water we are always refreshing and because of it learning and growing, we don't want the dry deserts of unbelief built on traditions of men.

Lets share some heart and let the word do the work.

Hi Mishael , you have raised an interesting point there that I had not ever considered : Unbelievers don't know that they've been taken hostage . This train of thought is one that I had never considered . Thank you very much , you have set my brain working and I love it when some one on here provokes me to think about things in a slightly different way . Much love in Christ .

Gigi Its in corinthians. Here's an example nor reading in detail, I was one time taught that speaking in tongues which a lot of people don't believe in that's ok its a special gift. I know many pastors that didn't believe in doing that talked to a friend of there's that did showed them what the word said and they did it. In Corinthians chapter 12 Paul in verse one and four says gifts then in verse 7 it says manifestation of the spirit, there is a big difference between gift and manifestation, I can receive something inwardly but the proof is the display in the senses realm, Jesus Christ displayed Gods power in the realm of the senses. He showed spiritual power.

Hi , I don't feel the need to get into a big discussion about water baptism , I believe that Acts Ch 8 is written for my benefit and learning . Obedience and submission . Not words that too many people like today . Acts Ch 8 says it all as far as I'm concerned , if people wish to disregard it that's up to them . I don't need any more convincing .

Acts Ch 8 is all I need . I dont feel the need to talk about it as for me Acts Ch 8 says it all . If some people wish to ignore that chapter or discount it as invalid today then that's their business . Nothing can convince me that that chapter is not written for my learning and benefit .

Gigi I understand this because all over the old testament the wicked are known as useless which in genesis with the flood the only righteous man on the planet was Noah so God knew he had to clean house, we are on the same page just stating a little differently, the grace in the old testament is there are time when people came to children of israel and said we want your God His way that's grace.

Hi Amelia,

To those that say we DO NOT have to be water baptized is to ignore what Jesus tells us in this scripture:

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Remember: John 12:48

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

I sure don't want to be the one to reject Jesus and receiveth not his words.

God Bless.

Timothy This is some heart, when I got born again all of my friends were dopers including guess who. Now all I knew is wow something happened and I didn't want the stuff any more, but I still considered these guys friends I knew them for years. Went to a friends house where they lit up passed it arouncame to me and I said don't need it or want it any more. The fun began why not, are you a narc now are you crazy, if you don't do this we are no longer friends. Then I said I because I was more hurt than anything, at one time none of us did this and we were friends and now that I say I don't want to smoke anymore we're not friends that's insane. I walked out a little confused and hurt but my heart said its O.K.

I did get to witness eventually to all them but of course they considered me nuts.

One of the things to help with deliverance is completely new associations which God can and will provide trust me he did it for me and I'm a nobody. Some additional verses for the mind Ephesians 4:23-32, Philippians 4:6-9, Colossians 3:1-17. I leave you with this, Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in His Wonderful Face and the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of His Glory and Grace. God Bless

Hello Rose There's an old saying pride goes before a fall, man thinks he's got a solution for everything but again in genesis the serpent said to Eve before she took the bait so to speak you'll be just LIKE God. Man has that problem ever since. That's what make Romans 10+9+10 so important making Gods Son our new Leader, then it takes time for the mental housecleaning.

Sis A wise man said to me you know why God gave you two ears and one mouth, to listen more than you talk, I'd like to master that.

ChrisE There are quite a few things that I was taught through traditions of men, but learned they have nothing to do with walking spiritually with the father. I've had in my personal life many signs wonders and miracles because they follow those that believe, I don't argue I disagree with some things stated. I don't understand individuals getting upset because your entitled to believe what you will. I'm result oriented so when I commit to something and told this will work I just go and do not blindly with heart commitment thought, same thing with Gods Word Rightly Divided is a Big Deal. Gods Word fits with absolute perfection and its available to at least sometimes do my best to walk in that.