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I would encourage you to knee down and repent your sins before the lord, the sins of jealously the sins of anger and ask God to show you any hidden sins in your life and repent anything he will show you

I want you to understand the wicked have no rest because they have unrepeated sins hence they try all they can to find rest

and ask God to remove this spirit of anger in your heart.

as it is written

Isaiah 57:20

20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21 There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Read this word

Psalms 18:6

In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.

Pray for an

Ezekiel 36:26

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Make your request known him to his God is faithful

God Bless You

What do we fall away from, so he can be revealed?

Please read Matthew 24( the last days)

The days of the falling away

is now being manifest to our own eyes, men that used to walk with God are tuning to the world and its lust

Preachers are perching not in faith but out greed and fame, Churches have became a social gathering and dens of thief rather than

a house of worship and the teaching that is coming out of churches is from the doctrines of demons

and Instead of preaching repentance the posters and preachers are twisting the word to get more people and prosperity gospel

I guessed that was the case , no problem .

Hello . I'm thinking that the reason that no one has answered your question yet might be because not everyone reads Ecclesiasticus because it's part of the apocrypha . Not everyone reads the apocrypha , so you might have to wait a little while to get your answer but I'm sure someone will respond eventually .

Dear Legends,

Yes, the Holy Spirit has always existed with the Father and the Son in a what the Scriptures call the Godhead.

In Genesis 1:2 it says that the Spirit was hovering over the face of the earth when it was void and unformed.

In Exodus 35:31 It says that God filled Bezalel with the Spirit to enable him to supervise the building of all the furnishings for the tabernacle. Numbers 11:17 speaks of the Spirit being upon Moses and of God causing the Spirit to also be upon the elders to help Moses with manage the affairs of the people. Ezekiel 2:2 speaks of God calling Ezekiel as a prophet and putting His Spirit in Ezekiel when God spoke to Him.

These are just a few of the many references to the Spirit and His work in the O.T. prior to the Son of God becoming flesh as Jesus. In the Genesis verse, it shows that the Spirit predated the creation of the world, which tells us that He was alive prior and participated in creation along with the Father and the Son (the Word). Prior to creation, only God existed, but He exists as the Father, the Son (Word who became flesh as Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, not as three Gods, but as three Persons in One God (As Scripture makes it very clear that God is One and the Only God in existence.

Brother Giannis:

Do you believe Paul wrote this letter to the Thessalonians to warn them about a singular antichrist? or were they falling away from the truth first preached to them about being born again by the word of God, the coming of the Lord to them by the indwelling of the WORD himself?

God Bless You!

Jacqui:

I believe you are right, we fall away from deception, so we can be BORN AGAIN by the word of God, TRUTH.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no may deceive you by any means, for THAT DAY (being born again, the day of the Lord, Christ in you) shall not come, except there come a falling away (from deception) first, and that man of sin (OURSELVES) be revealed, the son of prediction;

God Bless You!

There is a phrase I heard while travelling: "Same, but Different"

This might explain the seemingly paradoxical relationship of the trinity or Godhead. Exactly how much the same are they and exactly how different are they? We don't know, we're only humans with limited capacity to comprehend this and no Earthly experience with this relationship. We only know what God's word says...

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

1 Kings 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Isaiah 9:6

John 10:38

"...the Father is in me, and I in him."

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

1 John 5:20

"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

Acts 17:29

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or sto

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Timothy 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;"

All, I asked was What does KJV Chpt.32. Verse 4 refer to, and are they speaking of minister as of today times. Look at verse 4 before you respond

What does KJV Chpt.32. Verse 4 refer to, and are they speaking of minister as of today times.

Was there the holy spirit before Jesus Christ came?

What does verse 3&4 refer to, and are they speaking of minister as of today times.

Yes you are right dear Jacqui, I didn't pay too much attention to the initial post so I answered the wrong answer.

Sory but I made a terrible typing mistake. When I wrote this sentence "The protestants said it was the Pope, the catholics said it was Luther, the ortodoxes said it was all the others, many christians said it was Mohamed, and so on, everybody attributed that lovely(sarcastic!) title to their dearest enemy" I was refering to the title of antichrist, not the one who hinders him to appear

I love Jesus. I don't have other believers in my life. Praying for people and the recognition that they are from God.

Hey Earl,

Even though we may have different views or understanding on this I enjoy reading your post. It has been a while thanks.

God bless,

RLW

In Psalm 30 we see a situation much like the story of Jonah chapter 2 where he was said to have descended to the lower parts of the earth and finally gave thanksgiving and was released in verse 9. I tend to hold with the minority position that he really died and went to Sheol taking a literal description of the passage. Here in Psalm 30; David clearly was near death either physically or in the state of constant pursuit by his enemies such as with Saul. Unlike Jonah; however there was dancing and praise that seemed to outlive the immediate time of this crisis.

(last 2 verses 11 and 12).

Verses 5 and 6 give us some clues as to David's attitude maintaining a proper perspective; he understood God's holiness (v 4) and the eternal perspective (v. 5). Verse 11 shows how David sought God with sackcloth; and recognized the strength and importance of God's favor (v. 7). This could have related to his experience after the sin with Bathsheeba and losing his son; or the time he foolishly took the census when Satan was allowed to tempt him.

These verses should lead us to seeking the Lord at all times; and not waiting until a life or death matter. If we are not of the faith; we need to seek Him while He can yet be found ( Isaiah 55:6). He may not give us time at our deathbed if it happens in an instant to repent if we are a nonbeliever; and as a believer we forfeit our rewards in heaven if we are not putting Him first and dying to self daily. We should also study Job carefully and not make the error he did not being aware of Satan's schemes; but not blaming the enemy of our souls for all our problems as sin is the means of entry for him to work. Praising God in all circumstances is in order; and in the flesh many times we don't feel like it. We need to be emptied of ourselves and consider His attributes as all other things in life are temporal and fleeting as verse 5 shows.

Jesus' prayers, a few; John 17, Matthew 6, Luke 11, Luke 23:33,34,46, John 12:28, John 14:13, John 14, Mark 1:35, Mark 14,

Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24, John 13:4-16, John 19:23,

Hopefully these are helpful

2Samuel 6:14, the priests' ephod had stones Exodus 35:9,27, Exodus 25:7, Exodus 39:2,8,18, sounds very beautiful; gold, blue, purple, scarlet, fine twined linen, chains on the shoulders,

1Samuel 16:13,

Note: 1Samuel 2:27-36, 1Samuel 13, notice 1Samuel 13:14, Acts 13:22,23, 1Samuel 2:10, 1Samuel 2:18, 1Samuel 23, 1Samuel 30:7,

1Chronicles 15:27,

1Samuel 2:35,

Hopefully these are helpful

please remember me and my family in your prayers

I think the falling away is falling away from the Truth as it is expressed in the Bible . Paul and Peter talk about ' cunningly devised fables ' which imply that they are created deliberately to deceive , or Jewish fables . These Jewish fables I think are very important because that must mean that they existed in Christ's lifetime and Christ himself would have had to have been aware of them and maybe even trying to refute them and we could be reading about some of that in the Gospel accounts . Reference are : 1st Tim 1 : 4 , 1st Tim 4 : 7 , 2nd Tim 4 : 4 , Titus 1 : 14 and 2nd Peter 1 : 16 .

Dear Father, please protect Canada from whatever is making her afraid, in Jesus Name, Amen.

Ps. 56:3 What time I am afraid, I will trust in You.

Hello Earl

Part 1

In verse 1 says "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,".So that day is the day that Jesus comes.

But there are 2 theories about that day depending on what one believe, the pre or the post tribulation rapture.

1. If the pre-trib theory is right (which is my belief too) then that day is the rapture of the saints when Jesus comes not on earth but in the air and then takes His church away. Then the 7 year rule of antichrist on earth starts.

2. If the post-trib theory is right then that day is the second coming of Jesus on earth after the battle at Armagedon at the end of the tribulation and the rule of antichrist on earth

3. There is also a third theory that says that that day is the rapture which will take place in the midst of the 7 year period of antichrist's ruling and then the tribulation starts for the remaining 3 1/2 years.

The "falling away" or as it is written in the greek text the "apostasy" is considered by most the apostasy of the christian world from the faith which we see in our days taking place during the last decades. I don't know where you live in, but Europe which in the past was a christendom, now have turned completely atheist. Christians are considered as old fashioned fanatics who hinder the modern world's progress (to where???). Others think that the apostasy refers to a united world religion that tries to compromise all religions together, a world system which will actually be far from christian beliefs.

The "man of sin" is usually called the "antichrist". The word antichrist is not written in the Revelation but John mentions it in his first epistle. Anyway it is just a name, it means the opposite of Christ or somone who is against Christ. Many of those have existed through the centuaries but the main one will come at the end and will rule on the whole world. After the apostasy of the christian world he will make his appearance on earth.

Part 2

Now the most interesting and simultaneously misterious is what Paul writes in verses 6 and 7. It says about someone or something that withholds or hinders the antichrist to make his appearance. Although those words like "withholding" or "not letting in"or "hindering" can be found in many translations and interpretations of the Bible, the actual word the greek text uses is "Katechon" which actually means one "who aquires or has in his/her possesion something". Who is this and what is it that he has in his possesion? Many theories have existed through the centuaries about that. Many of the first 3-4 centuaries AD christians thought it was the Roman rule and when it was going to collapse the antichrist would grab the chance to establish his rule. But that turned out to be wrong. So many theories emmerged. The protestants said it was the Pope, the catholics said it was Luther, the ortodoxes said it was all the others, many christians said it was Mohamed, and so on, evebody attributed that lovely title to their dearest enemy. But again everything turned to be historically wrong. But there was a theory from the very early time that it is now accepted by many as the most possible. It is what the pretrib christians believe. "Him" is the "Holly Spirit" and what He posseses is the "church". When Jesus comes in the air, the Spirit will resurrect the dead saints and transform the living ones and handle them to Jesus in the air, and they will remain in Heaven until He comes back on earth with all His saints and angels to end all things.

This is my belief too.

Part 3

The order of events in the end times as I know them are, briefly. Right or wrong, this is how I have it.

a The rapture of the church just before anticrist makes his appearance in the world. The Bema Seat. The presence of church on earth is what hinders him to appear. Time and date unknown. People are dealing with their everyday lifes as usually, unsuspected for what is coming to the world.

b. The 7 year period that antichrist rules on earth. Tribulation, cataclysmic events, mark of the beast, persecutions and slaughterings, salvation of Israel, etc etc. People are scared to death because of all those events and the ones yet to come. Life on earth becomes litterally a hell.

c. End of those 7 years. Jesus' 2nd coming with the church and His angels and those who were slaughtered during the great tribulation. Fight at Armaggedon. Distruction of antichrist's army.

d. Millenium, Christ and His church rule on earth on the people survived all those events. Satan is sent to the Bottomless Pit (greek Abyss)

e. End of millenium. Satan is freed. People revolte once more against God and get distructed.

f. Resurrection of all people of all times. The Final Judgement/White Throne. The saints also will judge, even fallen angels.

g. New heavens and earth are created. God lives together with His people.

GBU

Oh how well you put that ! That was excellently explained thankyou . I do still believe that the lessons from the O.T. and of course , all the prophecies ( fulfilled and unfulfilled ) are there for our help and guidance in bringing us closer to our God . For me , as a Christian , it is the mind / heart of Christ , that we should be cultivating in ourselves that is key . He came to be our example , and it is him that we need to be following in our words and deeds and thoughts and feelings .

Living soul, Genesis 2:7, Genesis 9:5, Isaiah 11:6-9,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 25:31-46, 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, James 1:5,

Please note Haggai 1:4, Haggai 1:8,

Thank you lord for casting demon out from this man