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If I can just add my 2-cents on this great verse ( Philippians 1:6) you brought up.
Notice how it says "being confident."
It's actually a Perfect Tense. It should read, "having become confident." Why? Because they've been in fellowship with the gospel from the first day until now.
They've been in fellowship with the gospel, so confidently Paul can say about this very thing that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform, and the Greek word means literally complete it, until the day of Jesus Christ:
That's quite a promise. But he didn't say that for all people. He says because you have been in the word from the first day until now, I can tell you that God's promise to you is that whatever work He began in you, He's going to complete it until Christ comes.
There's a reason why they stayed in the word. He didn't say for all people who profess to be Christians because not all professing Christians are saved, especially in our religious system in our country.
So the confidence comes because they've been in the word since the first day they were saved. God began a work in them. He gave them His Spirit, and by His Spirit, they were continuously being drawn to His word.
This is God's doing. It is His work in their lives. He began this work, and He sees it to its completion.
God bless!!!
My dear brother in Christ, I know the feeling. I understand how it can feel as though you're being ambushed. I have experienced the same, not just here, but in face-to-face conversations with other believers.
I have never used the phrase "Once saved, always saved" on this forum even though I do believe in the permanency of salvation.
Because of this belief, people have told me that I believe I can do anything I want, and that I can sin all I want because I am saved regardless.
Have you ever been in a real live in-person conversation with someone who believes that you can lose your salvation. I have. People like to tell you that you can lose your salvation, but I have never been able to get anyone to tell me that they might lose theirs.
They will tell you that you can walk away from Christ and lose your salvation. I had one brother tell me this and when I asked him if he would ever walk away, his answer was no!
I asked him why not? His response was that he loved the Lord way too much to ever walk away. I guess that's the guy who won't lose his, but I can lose mine. Go figure!
Blessings to you my brother!
Romans 8:38-39, "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
It is not you that you have been ambushed brother but the doctrine of OSAS has been ambushed. This doctrine takes into account certain verses that favour it but ignores all the rest that oppose it, like that "blot out from the Book of Life". But in this way one can come up with completely wrong conclusions, like it often happens. Trying to fit everything into that consept can lead into "strange" beliefs like the 5 foolish virgins were unbelievers, like an unbeliever can have spiritual gifts like prophesying and healing and so on. Next thing this doctrine can lead people to not be so close to the Lord and His commandments since we are all saved anyway and subsequently we will be left out like the 5 foolish virgins who were living a careless life. The Bible is full of warnings and examples of people who lived a loose christian life. Trying to press those people into an unbeliever or not truly saved pattern produces to christians a false security that they will get into heaven anyway. This is true if we strive to live righteously and hence we are clothed with the Lord's power. But when we leave our Father's house we are on our own. Father will not come after us but is waiting for us to return. It is then our own responsibility to wake up and not get lost while being away from home. GBU
Thank you. We are kept by the power of God. That is one powerful grip. If I didn't have Christ in me, and if I wasn't being kept by His power, it would be so easy to walk away.
Blessings to you in Christ Jesus!
As for the eternal new heaven and earth it seems verses indicate there still will be nations although some seem to merge with promises from the Millennium. However; Revelation 21:24 says: And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. So it is clear that there will be nations still in some geographic sense; although no more sea and the heavenly Jerusalem will clearly be the dominant vista wherever you roam on this new planet.
Jesus stated from the O.T. that the Temple was supposed to be a place of prayer for all nations ( Mark 11:17). This surely will be fulfilled in the future!
There are nations that are said not to know God. Isaiah 55:5 shows that they will wake up at the end of the Tribulation as well as return captives (see Isaiah 49:22-25). They also shall bow down as kings and queens to worship God ( Isaiah 49:23) and take care of children. These are wonderful promises to show even from the wicked Tribulation some even in royalty will be saved! We see an interesting prophecy in Ezekiel 39:2 that a sixth part of the Gog army will remain; I would deem it likely many of these people will repent; although a remnant it will probably be a fairly substantial number of those remaining at the end of the Tribulation (also we don't see those in that invasion who appear to have the mark or fight God). This and other verses show various campaigns which lead up to Armageddon; and perhaps linger on until Christ and His returning saints establish control to rule and reign.
It seems pretty apparent that with all nations against Israel ( Zech. 12:3) in the end so that mainly they will be reprobate with the dead being as dung on the earth ( Jeremiah 25:33). This is a sobering thought; thankfully in Israel 1/3 make it through the fire but 2/3 die ( Zech. 13:9). Some say this is harsh but compared to the stats from the whole world it isn't
I agree. He who is overcoming, not he who will. I am overcoming and will overcome because I have Christ in me, the one who overcame!
As long as I have Christ in me, I overcome, and He has promised to never leave me.
Thanks again!
Before the Tribulation; there will be people raptured out of the world from every tribe; language; nation and tongue. ( Rev. 7:9).
To be precise many in this verse will come out FROM the Tribulation but those raptured would logically also come from every nation as many more will die after the seal judgments following the Rapture of the church.
Isaiah 66:19 seems to challenge this as those who have not heard His fame or seen His glory seem to be reached by those surviving physically the Tribulation. The Millennial worship is clear from verse 20. It could mean that the Gospel preached by the 3 angels to the whole world won't be specific about God's past exploits or specific plan or focus on Jerusalem for His return; rather they will just hear a general message to worship God and not take the Mark of the Beast or not be part of Babylon.
It is possible some remote areas will somehow even miss the angels testimony; which would also mean they may be one of a few who are able to hide from having the mark forced on them; or from the pressure of following the worldwide false church.
Anyway; God will use Antichrist to draw in all those doomed for perdition and the whole world to choose Christ and bring mass beheadings or choose Antichrist and take the mark and or fight Christ and be destroyed at Armageddon. Again; nations are mentioned in the Millennial Kingdom ( Zech. 14:18 for instance) where Egypt and anyone else will have no rain if they don't come and worship Christ at that time. That shows a necessary interlude BEFORE perfect sinless existance in the new earth since some clearly will attempt to disobey.
Revelation 20:8 states "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." Clearly there will still be nations until the final conflagration; when there is a new heaven and earth.
Your explanation is reasonable...
This is from the Fire Bible by Donald C. Stamps
3:5 Blot out his name. This appears to be the "book" first mentioned in Ex 32:32-33. It describes a sort of registry of citizenship in God's kingdom. This verse clearly teaches of the very real possibility of members of God's kingdom having their names removed from the book of life. This can happen to any person who experiences salvation and a personal relationship with Christ, but later refuses to remain faithful to him and allow his power to help them overcome the evil around them and the sinful nature within them (see 2:7, note; see article on Individual Apostasy). To have one's name blotted out of the book of life is to give up eternal life with God (2:7, 10-11) and to be condemned to the lake of fire in the end (20:15). This is a direct warning from the Holy Spirit to Christ's churches (v. 6; 13:8; 17:8; 20:12; 21:27; cf. Ex 32:32).
Link. for the article on Individual Apostasy.
We are in the "Church Age" at this point; and heading toward the final version of the "Revived Roman Empire" as seen in Daniel 2:42-44. The final composite kingdom of the Antichrist is like a lion (Babylonian symbol but modern day Great Britain); a bear (Media Persian symbol also Russia) a leopard (fitting into the Greek or Mediterranean Kingdom); and the final composite Beast of the last days which encompasses the entire earth ( Daniel 7:2-8). This will come eventually with the Antichrist for "one hour" (probably the 7 Year Tribulation) taking over a kingdom of 10 Kings who are yet to have a kingdom ( Revelation 17:12).
Since nations are still mentioned in verses about the Millennium ( Psalm 86:9 as one example) coming to the Lord it is clear they are in God's design to be restored. For now; territorial integrity is important; although God will have to settle many disputes when He comes ( Isaiah 2:4).
God has established through the Abrahamic covenant and other promises to Joshua and Caleb that He would give the 12 Tribes inheritance of all the territory described from the "Great Sea" to the Euphrates ( Joshua 1:4). God does honor covenants though; so agreements made with those in other nations or even Israel itself say with settlements should be honored.
We also need to keep in mind Joshua 5:14 where the Angel of the Lord states He is for the Lord's army not necessarily siding with anyone. This is why God allowed Israel's enemies to prosper at times for chastisement; as was made clear in God's prophecies about Babylon and even the pagan invaders stated this (although I can't find the verse at present). It is humbling to think about this at present; we in our proud nation think the worst thing to happen would be invasion from another nation and submission but are we better than Israel and the Babylonians? This may happen before the Tribulation if He tarries (our borders are already breached BTW). Food for thought.
"ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED" VERSUS REVELATION 3:5
by PATRICK DONAHUE
Revelation 3:5 reads "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."How could the doctrine of "once saved always saved" be true if the above verse is true? The same book shows that a person's name is not written into the "Book Of Life" unless he is saved:
20:15 whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
21:27 no one will "enter into it (heaven) any thing that defileth, neither worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Revelation 3:5 then necessarily implies that if a saved person does not overcome (temptation, persecution, etc.), if he does not remain faithful, then his name will be erased from the book of life, meaning he will no longer be in a saved relationship with God.
Other Bible passages teach the same thing about the book of life. When the Israelites made the golden calf while Moses was on the mount receiving the 10 commandments, God said in Exodus 32:33: Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Only the names of the saved are in the "book of life" to start with. And if it is possible to get your name blotted / taken out of the book of life, then it is clear that it is possible for a saved person to lose his salvation.The doctrine that a Christian cannot "fall from grace" is just plain untrue.
This case can only be an error of the automatic translator which however can be confusing, the text says:
Siracide 4
23] Non astenerti dal parlare nel momento opportuno,
non nascondere la tua sapienza
[23] Do not refrain from speaking at the right time, do not hide your wisdom ( italian )
il traduttore traduce "And refraine not to speake" = astieniti dal parlare ( ma in realta' e' il contrario )
the translator translates "And refrain not to speak" = refrain from speaking (but in reality it is the opposite)
I hope it's clear, in reality it's simple the translator makes a mistake. Ciao e Grazie
Welcome to the site.
Those who overcome "overcomes" by the blood of Christ and is "overcoming" by the blood of Christ.
Paul says in Philippians 1:6
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:
Therefore, the promise is "the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rec. 3:5.
God bless.
Hope that helps.
Rich P
Your first question is rather complex. I don't ascribe to not following the law at least in terms of universal ones such as murder and divorce (one which is immensly controversial today in terms of remarriage situations but I hold for NOT remarrying when a spouse is alive which got John the Baptist killed for pagans in that situation). Anyway I may have lost your attention at that comment. I look to ceremonial laws as applying to the Jews at the time or possibly the future Temple; and the sabbath day law in some respect goes to Christ who is "Lord of the Sabbath". We don't attempt to do or not do the law only but we do things with the right motives. My point being we can't just say it's ok to break a law; as the Antichrist himself comes as the "lawless one". We can't have overly legalistic standards either. I am not sure what you mean relying on "His will" that should be something we do now or in O.T. times; and peace is something which we should receive at salvation and also is a fruit of the Spirit (love; joy; peace; longsuffering; etc.)
As to His coming; I have theories basically stating that we need to face that 1948 is NOT the beginning of the last generation which is defined roughly by Psalm 90:10 and i cant see it stretched beyond the 70 to 80 years. I think the Psalm 83 event where Israel expands its borders and immediately surrounding nations capitulate will happen as the signpost of the last generation then there has to be a land of unwalled villages before the Ezekiel 38 war. That timing is tricky. All things are set for the Tribulation but it seems only God the Father determines it as we also seem to see from my commentary on Revelation 1.
I sense your enthusiasm and perhaps struggle and your love for Christ. As Jesus said to the Philadelphia church persevere even with little strength as it is hard today. Satan wants to constantly preempt God's timing but obviously we must occupy till he comes. Outta room
Possibly the "Lamb's Book of Life" is for those outside the realm of election/predestination and have their "chance" at eternal life if they receive Christ hence the Lamb's Book of Life.
Philippians 3:20 (KJV) 20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Conversation: behavior, conduct, manner of life, manner of walk, Gk citizenship, commonwealth.
I would lean toward citizenship meaning for this particular passage.
3:20 citizenship. This figure would have been particularly appreciated by the Philippians who were colonists living away from Rome, though citizens of Rome. Similarly, Christians live away from the place of their citizenship, heaven. - Ryrie
Conversation found in Ephesians 2:3 (KJV) 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
I would lean toward the behavior, one's conduct, and manner of walk definition as it is used in Ephesians 2:3.
The attitude of a believer to the spirit of life is demonstrated in this incident "And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?/ But he(Jesus) turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of./ For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."( Luke 9:54-56) John was for imitating the exploits of Elias while Jesus was for fulfilling the will of God. John and James had to learn which would come by and by, and only after they received the Holy Spirit. As many as are led by the Spirit are the children of God.
Water and fire are two witnesses to which Jesus alluded in Luke 12:54-56
The word-wide web set up by the Spirit of God is ever in control so symbols, emblem and events are all in accordance so God is in control. The fourth beast in the vision of Daniel is about to fulfill in not so distant future. "Even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows". Well my readers say hello to the High Tech! Meet the killer robot and AI he is a little gizmo, little horn that has eyes and mouth to speak. " I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them."(Dan.7:20-21) It is the same spirit of Satan even as he gave the beast power to blaspheme. It came out of the ten horns, which indicate he is under judgment.
Who but a man makes a robot works? He cannot work with wisdom of heaven which is the significance of God being with Moses, "And I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say." (Ex.4:12). "Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments./For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods"(Ex.7:11-12) The eternal Word in control.
With false teachings like Universalism, and such.....