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Brother Spencer,

I concur!

Thanks Brother Jesse.

Sometimes we grow when we are challenged by a different opinion within the Gospel and we should examine the scriptures like the Bereans.

But when open comes along with something totally different and says you can't know God by the literal text in the Bible and all men teachings is false and all Churches is bad but yet you have a so called revelation that you insist on teaching, that should be a red flag.

God bless

Oh, my, Frank. She is abusing you. Get some help now to know how to deal with this harmful behavior on her part. If it continues to be left unchecked it will be very harmful to you even if you are not physically injured.

You say that she has moved in with you. Did she move in with you because you just got married or were you separated for a while?

If it was me, I would insist on some boundaries. I would tell my husband that I am not going to take these verbal and physical attacks anymore. The next time this happens I will get a restraining order to get you away from me. I love my husband, but I know that, should this happen to me, I would see that the continuance of such behavior is not only harmful to me, and I should protect myself legally, but it is also harmful to the abuser to allow him or her to continue the abuse. You are both adults. you have a say in this. You can exercise your right to be safe in your own home.

Frank, I will be praying for you often.

Check back with us so we can be reminded to continue in prayer for you and Emilie.

Hello Jordyn, I agree that we should quote your words, and S. Spencer has done not just once but many times. Debating others here is not always the best approach, but being open for correction is always appropriate.

Proverbs 10:17 "Whoever ignores correction leads others astray." NIV

"He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth." KJV

Proverbs 15:32 "He that refuseth instruction despises his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding."

Jordyn, it is not easy for any of us to her the words of one who doesn't follow our own ideas. But it is wise to read or hear them and to check our souls asking the Holy Spirit to show us if the criticism is true of us or not.

I won't speak for S. Spencer here. But I will say that your postings sound very much like those of Earl Bowman who has given the impression of having left this site only to come back 3-4 times with different screen names. So, it would be helpful to us if you will answer this question. Have you been on this forum in the past as Earl Bowman?

Please know that I pray for you and others on this site every day. I will continue to do so because, since God has brought us together on this forum, we ought to care for one another, be willing to pray for each other, be willing to listen to what others say and prayerfully respond, not to contend, challenge, or debate others, but to express ones own belief, stand firm on our own beliefs if need be, and always have a willingness to admit to oneself that we may be wrong in our views and need to eliminate certain aspects of our beliefs to align with Scripture. We should be gracious to one another, not combative, not eager to have a "come back" for what someone else posts to us.

At times, participants on this forum do cross the line and say things they ought not have said. Apologies area always in order and should be warmly accepted. Some times it is best to exit a thread for the sake of peace.

Dear Frank Joseph.

I will be happy to pray for you and your wife and home life.

Dear Heavenly Father, Today we lift up Emilia and Frank Joseph before you and asking in Jesus' name for healing, positive growth, and increasing joy in their marriage. Restore to them the satisfaction of a happy marriage full of harmony, peace, and love. Help them to learn from You how to make their married life better, changing what needs to be changed, and accepting what may not undergo change at this time. Help them to wait on You to bring about the changes needed to make their married life fruitful in every way; a life that honors You through both partners and also honors each other. Help them to love one another and put the needs of the other ahead of themselves. Teach them to serve one another tirelessly and be passionate about showing respect, acceptance, gratitude, grace, mercy, and love to one another daily. Amen.

Hello again Gerhardus,

In my post I did not claim to be chosen of God due to education or certificate, so that comment does not apply to me.

Jesus said that His words are spirit and Life, so yes, the Scriptures bring us knowledge of Christ without Him appearing to us. We hear from those He inspired who WERE eyewitnesses of Him when He lived on earth (Paul being the exception having seen the risen and glorified Jesus).

Gerhardus, one thing I think every believer has is the Holy Spirit because Peter said that the Spirit is given to all who come to faith in Jesus Acts 2:38-39. When you ask those on this forum if we have received the Holy Ghost, it seems like you are posing a challenge to others as to the genuineness of their faith, which you cannot determine. And when you denigrate those who seek to learn from Scripture, you are showing a prejudice towards people who use their minds as well as their hearts to come to know our Lord and the Father.

We are to love the Lord with all of our hearts, soul, MINDS, and strength. We are to us our mind to access what God says in HIS Scriptures. It is with our minds that we hear the Scriptures spoken or with our minds that we read and understand what we read. This is as God has designed it to be.

Scriptures do not tell us to expect a "visit" from Jesus to be taught of Him, as you seem to state. He gave us Scriptures as a sure and stable revelation of Himself and how He saves us from our sin. How we are to live inn a godly way for His glory and how we are to treat one another with love, especially those who also believe.

Gerhardus, I am glad to have read your posts. I hope our conversations will be gracious and reflect the truth of God revealed in Scripture. I will be praying for you. I hope you will also lift me up in prayer. Thanks.

Do every one have the Holy Ghost?

John 14:6 | Read whole chapter

Iesus saith vnto him, I am the Way, the Trueth, and the Life: no man commeth vnto the Father but by mee.

A person need to receive the Holy Ghost. And Christ gave the Holy Ghost unto his Apostles and they gave it unto those that were chosen by God. Jesus said unto his Apostles free you have received it free you shall give it. If he that claim he is a chosen of God because he paid for the education and has a certificate to prove it is a liar and had been lied to.

The New testament acknowledge Jesus and tel us things about him and the works he did and the things he said but it also tel us about the Apostles and the things they did and say and how God appeared unto them and have send them where He God needed them.

The Scripture by itself dont bring salvation. It may bring hope. Salvation is to know the true God and his Son Jesus Christ - the Church today off which Christ is the head.

What I learn from the new testament is that God - if (you are a chosen) may personally appear unto you, from time to time, with a special request which you SHOULD NOT go against.

The thing is - CAN "YOU - meaning anyone today" with authority claim he is a chosen one of God.

Hi David, I am praying for you and Jessica. Can you please pray for my wife Emilia and I? Our home life has been deteriorating.

Hi everyone. I want to ask for prayer for my home situation. Ever since my wife has moved in permanently her attitude toward me has gotten worse and worse, and she continues to try to usurp authority over me and she curses at me, and hits me. It is an unhealthy home situation. Please pray for me. Thank you and God bless.

I do understand how you feel and I've been in a similar situation to you . I haven't been to church for a while now and I miss it . In all honesty I don't miss the people , I miss the sermons , I love to be taught about the Bible and I'm always hungry to learn and I miss the bread and the wine very much . It is a precious privilege to partake of the bread and wine and I believe we should do so if possible . Keep looking for a church , I hope you find somewhere you can be comfortable and enjoy , I miss singing hymns also . I sing them at home but I have a hideous singing voice :( .

Thanks for your excellent post , I'm just reading 1st John and the first three chapters are all about the law of God , which is expressed very simply by Ch 3 V 23 . The whole of the law is love , love God , love Jesus and love each other . This is the commandment , believe and love .

Really ? I can't quite believe that you said that , perhaps I'm missing something , forgive me if that's the case .

Oh dear Gospel41,

I am so sorry for your troubles in your marriage. I will certainly pray for you and your wife.

Dear Heavenly Father, we come asking in the name of Jesus for You to speak to this man's wife and turn her around to do your will in this marriage and life with Gospel41. Bring blessing to this marriage and stop the destruction that is taking from this marriage what you have done in these two people. Bring back to Gospel41 and his wife a renewed love and desire to make their marriage become stronger and enduring instead of broken and breaking apart. We ask that You will heal hearts and minds, grant repentance and truly change what needs to be changed in each of these people in this union that will repair and reconnect the one flesh of this marriage. Give to each one a forgiving heart and mindset and remove from each of them any keeping of account of wrongs, but instead bring to their remembrance the good qualities in each other that led them to be married. Help them to see the best in the other and to really accept the imperfections of one another with a determination to help one another grow in Christ and become more of what You want each of these partners to become individually and as partners for each other.

Father, we know that You hate divorce, especially of Your children, so we are asking for Your help in this desperate situation to bring forth a good result rather than a division in this marriage. We know that You can do miracles. Please, do one for this couple. Amen.

Stay cool , don't allow yourself to be baited . I don't agree with everything that you say but I am very grateful to you for keeping me sharp and focused and you have very much helped my understanding , I have learned things from you and that's what I want from this site , to learn . Thank you .

Brother Spencer,

Amen! False teaching must be called out, so thank you for doing so!

But you know something? No matter how false or corrupt someone's teachings are, there will always be at least one follower, and we see that here on this forum.

I think the best advice given by Jordyn was when he said "Don't believe a word I say without looking to the scriptures and asking Christ to teach you."

Well, I have taken his advice and searched the scriptures, which we are supposed to do anyways without anyone telling us to do so, and I find that the things he's saying go completely against sound biblical doctrine.

Again, thank you for exposing these things.

God bless!!!

Hello, Fred

We will meet up when God wills it, either in this life or the life to come which will last forever.

We do need to be wise and watchful concerning the genuine truth of God vs. truth that man thinks is genuine. I wish that all believers would all have the same genuine truth of God, but for reasons we do not understand, God has allowed so much diversity within the body of Christ as to doctrine and practice. Perhaps it is for us to practice love and patience, forbearance and gentleness in teaching one another, especially with those who may not believe exactly as we do ourselves.

I imagine when we are resurrected, we will be very humbled by realizing that what we thought to be genuine truth of God and His ways and His Word really does not even touch the surface of the depths of the wisdom, knowledge, will, grace, and truth of God in Christ.

Every day that God gives us to live in this first life is filled with opportunities to worship Him, serve Him, serve others, speak the truth to ourselves and others, exercise the love of Christ to those we come in contact with in the day that God gives us, and also to have our faith be tested in order to drive us to the Word to have His Spirit bring us into truth and instruct us on how to live this day, today, for the Lord and for the benefit of others.

Fred, I am glad that you are back posting. I always enjoy your wisdom. Thanks for giving it out to those who have been called to be children of God.

Hello Gerhardus, welcome.

The story of Philip and the Ethiopian demonstrates why God gave the offices of pastor, teacher, evangelist, apostle to the church Jesus created and promised to preserve throughout the ages. The Scriptures are our teachers because the words were written by apostles, taught of God, Who gave them the inspiration as to what to write. The Words in Scripture are God's message to us.

We are to read the Scriptures repeatedly to get them deep into our minds and hearts:

*to be able to remember verses to share with others in their time of learning or need

*to bring to mind when we need comfort, correcting, and understanding in all situations in our lives

*to teach them to our children in the everyday moments when circumstance come up where a good word from Scripture is needed without opening up the Scriptures to search for a verse

There are many more reasons to be very familiar with ALL of the Bible, so frequent reading is important.

Then there is the study of the Scriptures that goes beyond just reading it. We do this to:

*learn correct doctrines taught by the apostles across the epistles

*to learn more and more of Jesus in the Gospels

*to mature in our understanding of what God has revealed in Scripture

*to share our thoughts with others as we interact with Scripture

*to learn from a pastors sermons, teachers who lead us, and those God has anointed to be wise in Scriptural truth.

There are many other reasons to study the Scriptures

We meditate on what we read in Scriptures to:

*allow the Holy Spirit to strengthen our faith

*to immerse ourselves in the thoughts of Gods instead of thoughts of the world

*to mindful of God's Presence in us and His prescribed way of coming to Him through prayer and His Word

*to help us as we pray with the help of the Holy Spirit

There are many other reasons to meditate on Scripture.

All these actions are important to employ in our lives regularly.

Jesus said, "My words are Spirit and Live"

Jesus said - No one comes to the Father than by me and no one come to me if the Father have not chosen him. So even having the new testament to read dont help much.

Brother S Spencer:

Quote my words, don't say I said something that I did not say.

I will debate with you all day long if you wish.

God Bless YOU!

BrotherS Spencer:

HOW were you saved?

WHAT were you saved from?

WHEN were you saved?

God BLESS YOU!

Heavenly Father, You sent Your Beloved Son, Jesus, to heal John. We believe in Your word where it says that all the promises that you have for us Your children will be fulfilled. We believe in Your Power of healing John. Thank You Father God. Amen

Father God, You know the situation going on between Gospel41 and his wife. I pray for their relationship to be restored. I pray for healing and being set free of mental illness for Gospel41's wife. In the name of Jesus Christ. Thank You Heavenly Father God.

Thank you Gigi.

God bless you.

So right on, S. Spencer.

Thanks for addressing these heresies espoused by "Jordyn", a new screen name of one we have known by other names on here, I believe.

Today in the UK is Armastice day , remembering the dead of two world wars . There have also been hundreds of thousands deflecting from this national day of remembrance by staging pro palestine marches . UK is a democracy so this is certainly permitted . We were assured by the organisers that the march would be peaceful , we believed them . I've just watched on the news , crowds of men , six and seven deep , surging towards police officers attacking them very deliberately . The police are responding in equal measure . This conflict is divisive worldwide . We have a large muslim population in the UK , which is a very small island . I hope that wherever you are , that you keep away from this trouble , do what Rahab and her family did , stay home with your doors closed and wait for the Mercy of God .

Part 2.

Galatians 1:8-9.

Jordyn said;

Those who believe they DIED and were made ONE in Christ, will never die again.

Those who don't believe they DIED, and the resurrection made them ONE as the Father and Son and son are ONE will be cast into prison, the GRAVE. "Made one in Christ" in Jordyn's opinion means you become Gods"

Is this not another Gospel?

More issues.

Jordyn claims the flesh of the unbelievers is the devil and the bottomless pit mentioned in Revelation 20:2-3 is the grave.

He also claims we are already living in the 1000 years mention in verse 5.

He claims the unbelievers/Devil will be loosed out of the grave, "resurrected" in Revelation 20:7.

After all the dead are raised at the second resurrection, "LOOSED OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT" the Sons of God "WILL PREACH THE TRUTH TO THEM ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THE RESURRECTION"

LET'S EXAMINE.

Revelation 20:7-8. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

AND SHALL GO OUT TO DECIEVE THE NATIONS which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

(Jordyn says these verses says the unbelievers will preach the truth!)

The bible says Satan will deceive the nations!

So, Jordyn says God will judge the unbelievers by the word of God and give them the truth and mercy given to us, and they will have DIED the second death, and also become the SONS of God and will enter the Kingdom. Thats what he gets out of Revelation 20:2-8.

However, Look at Revelation 22:11-15. SOME REMAIN UNJUST!

Some have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Some are seen here in verse 15. "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

BEWARE OF WHO YOU FOLLOW! NO CHILD OF GOD WOULD DO SUCH BLASPHEMY TO THE WORD OF GOD!

Revelation 22:19.

God bless.

Goodmorning.

Part 1

Here is something I wanted to address earlier but I had to wait until the weekend due to my busy work schedule.

Jordyn said;

"The wages of UNBELIEF is DEATH.

The Gift of BELIEF is IMMORTAL LIFE and Christ ONLY has IMMORTAL LIFE."

and then in a few more lines you said the unbelief and those who believe will receive eternal life.

SO, THEY BOTH RECEIVES THE GIFT IN HIS THEOLOGY.

Well, there is no reward for the righteous.

HE'S CALLING GOD A CORRUPT JUDGE.

Here is more blasphemy in this theology.

Here is a direct quote of what he stated. (Pay close attention to 1a!

Those who believe they DIED and were made ONE in Christ, will never die again.

1a) "Those who don't believe they DIED, and the resurrection made them ONE as the Father and Son and son are ONE will be cast into prison, the GRAVE. Revelation 20:2-3. End quote.

(Shouldn't it be those who didn't receive Christ and had their names written in the Lambs book of life will be cast into prison?)

Jordyn is saying who ever don't believe in his theology is the unsaved! I WILL COME BACK TO THAT.

1b) After God has gather all his SONS to be priest in the Kingdom, he will resurrect the unbelievers back to their flesh and blood bodies, they will be loosed out of their prison ( Revelation 20:7).

After all the dead are raised at the second resurrection the Sons of God will preach the gospel to them about the truth of the resurrection, judge them by the words of God, and give them the truth and mercy given to us, and they will DIED the second death, and also become the SONS of God. End quote.

SO ACCORDING TO HIM ALL HUMANITY WILL EVENTUALLY BE SAVED.

Recap;

From what he has mentioned in the past, according to him the devil is our flesh.

The bottomless pit mentioned in Revelation 20:2-3 is the grave.

The unbelievers/Devil will be loosed out of the grave, "resurrected" in Revelation 20:7.

I will deal with this in part 2.

See Part 2.

Matt.1:19-25 "Jesus and Immanuel"

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."(v.21)

Here we have two names which distinguish as we ascribe deity and humanity to the Word becoming flesh.

In this context we do not find God naming Adam. In the Lucan genealogy Adam is qualified as the son of God.("Adam, which was the son of God"- Luke 3:38) The angel who appeared to Mary informs on the other hand of her child, "which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"- Luke 1:35) One is a son because of the breath of God making him a living soul. The other signifies the Fellowship of God with Man on the basis of the Father Son relationship. This is consequential as far as salvation Plan for man is concerned. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."(Ac.4:12)

In vv.22-23 we have another name, "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,/ Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." God with us is synonymous with Word which is the constitution or Law of the kingdom of God. Knowledge of the glory of God is tied up Jesus Christ. In his prayer he remarks of the glory, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."( John 17:5)

"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." What does the face indicate? God named the firmament heaven (Ge.1:8) so heaven declares the glory (Ps.19:1) indicates a face to which the Magi could read as well as any man by faith would know the will of his Father. God showed only 'back parts' to Moses, meaning through the Law of Moses.