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OSEAS,

There are several ways to look at this scripture. It is wrapped in mystery that's not easily meant to see. Esoteric in nature. I can only take the essence of the story and see how fits & splits between Jesus' and satan's earthly ministries. You have to think your way through it, it could take years, some you'll never know. God is going to make you work for what he previously has spelled out in allegory.

Daniel 9:27 allegory makes me envision the beast army forewarning its Babylon attack, thinking about placing the abomination that makes desolate (smart missiles) ( Joel 2:4-11) ( Isaiah 47) ( Revelation 18). This sixth trumpet, surprise event begins anti-christ's 3.5 year reign.

( Daniel 9:27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

RICHARD CRAFT

Yes, you are right, The kingdoms of this world (this Devil's world, the same the Devil offered in the temptation) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And the nations will be angry, because all their structures, politic, and religious, and economic, cultural, social, among others, will be DISSOLVED, and destroyed by GOD. The Word is GOD. Is it written? Then will fulfill LITERALLY, and it will be from now on.

Be careful and get ready

Stop tripping u will give yourself a heart attack

SALLY

Meditate in this: 1 Corinthians 15:v.47 - The first man is of the earth, earthy;...

And in this: 2Peter 2:v.12 - 12 But these, as natural BRUTE BEASTS, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

And John the Baptist preached: ... He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all. John 3:v.31

Dianne,

There are 2 resurrections:

1st resurrection: The 144k saints are out of great tribulation, from all nations and tongues. Not all saints are killed by the beast, not all saints lay dead for 3.5 days. From the way 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is phrased, you could easily believe the first resurrection is for you, but the depictions in heaven identify the 144k only. Below describes saints in heaven, not sinners:

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

2nd resurrection: After the 1,000 years the rest lived.

( Ezekiel 37:1-14)

I have written unto you because you must know that no lie is of the truth.

Isaiah 16:v. 16-22

16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the REFUGE OF LIES, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 ... when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his STRANGE work; and bring to pass his act, his STRANGE act.

22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

EARL BOWMAN

You are 100% correct when you say: "You (we, say I) are not created in God's image until you(we) are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh). EARL, what you said is PERFECT, YEAH, PERFECT. The ONLY ONE who was/is not born from Satan and in his image, THIS IS JESUS.

"The crooked serpent" (snake), in the expression or conception of the language it is a product of the earth: Genesis 1:v.24 - Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and CREEPING thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. The MYSTERY is how the Power worked in the process of production of this kind of living creatures. On the other hand, in the spiritual conceptions it is more easy to understand how they are produced among us.

You said: "and man were FORMED, not created". Yes, acccording Genesis 2:v.7 combined with Job 33:v.6. Gen.2:v.7 - 7 And the Lord God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. That said, it seems be more easy to understand why GOD said to Satan (not to a snake): thou art CURSED above all cattle, and above every beast of the field (the field is the world); upon thy belly (womb) shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: This DUST of the earth-I mean the men- has been the serpent's food until today through the procreation in all generations, and the World of the Devil has gotten until the current time.

JESUS said: John 3:v.5-6: 5 ... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 1:v.13 - 3 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Amen

OASEAS IS A GOOD NAME FOR YOU, on an island to yourself with a strange Bible. These words help me from jumping out the window like a banker.

"What does the Word of GOD say? There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day)."

Jude 6 is not speaking of the Lord's day, nor the day of the Lord; this is the last battle is known as:( Revelation 16:14) "....the battle of that great day of God Almighty." It is the same last battle before seventh trumpet judgment as promised to the OT saints in white robes. ( Revelation 6:11) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. And alas ( Revelation 11:12) And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

"7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE."

Thank you for leading me to Jude. The angels didn't fornicate in the garden of EDEN, angles have no genitalia. Also, I would like for you to take notice, and tell president Bide to stop DACA because it's evil, says so in the Bible.

( Jude 1:8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Brother S Spencer, I have not found anywhere in scripture that describes the cherub as being anything other than flaming swords (the word of God) of fire and the glory of God.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 1:27

James 3.:9

We are made in the image of God.

Thank you sir for the reply. I think ever Christian goes through feelings of inadequacy because not only do we feel Gods love through Jesus sometimes it can be overwhelming to think how we can love him equally. And the answer to that is what you said it's in everything we see in creation in of its own. But even in that though we can't understand the mind of our God. His ways our higher than ours but if it's something we can cling on to is his promise of prosperity, sustainability, and Love but also always being there. I had a horrible day but knowing there's brothers and sisters always praying for the brethren brings me more joy in my heart. I ask how do I love you more Lord ? How do I love others ? Two of the most complicated questions but if we keep seeking we will find all the answers. Living this life is hard but it's a choice I made two years ago and I've understood he has saved me for a reason. I just have to trust him more.

Genesis 1:26

We are formed in the image.

Only God Can JUDGE me.....Since you are so well versed in Scripture then you should know what happens to those who judge others;) They will hate me just as they hated Jesus....if people would have understood what Jesus was telling them they would not have crucified him. Blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable but Blasphemy of the HOLY SPIRIT is not forgivable...Be Humble before the LORD.

DIANNE



You made a wise comment about Lucifer in the Garden of Eden ( Isaiah 14:v.12-15) and according Ez.28:12 to 17.

Yes, you are right, the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. I agree. You are correct.

Yes, Eve and Adam, or the Man and the Woman, both were in the garden of Eden. Surely, as you said, "Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it." In fact was a Man, a Cherub, by analogy, a Man like the two angels which GOD sent to Sodoma and Gomorrah, never, but never, like a snake.

God bless

CHRIS

Greetings in Christ JESUS,

Chris, you brought a biblical deep matter, it is not easy for us to speak about "Satan as an angel"in the mysterious times in the Garden of Eden and with the presence of Adam and Eve or the man and the woman,by the way, there was an Eternity in Eden before this current gap of 7 thousand years or 7 millenniums of this current world of Devil, in part already fulfilled,whose world the crafty Satan,or artful Devil,offered to JESUS in the temptation- Luke 4:v.5 to 8.Check it.

What you said is very very interesting, mainly about "war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?". When JESUS was tempted, the Devil knew that JESUS was the heir of GOD, Satan knew that HIS CURRENT DEVIL'S WORLD would be conquer by JESUS and His army or His people- Revelation 11:v.15 to 18 and chapter 12. In fact, Satan tryed to anticipate and deliver his kingdom to JESUS under his satanic condition, but JESUS rejected the Devil's offer, because JESUS had a strategy in His War against Satan. What did JESUS do?

He called the Devil to be near Him as one of the 12 apostles through the person of Jude Scariots. JESUS needed a betrayer among the 12 apostles. JESUS was and is Omniscient, JESUS knew that Judas was a devil, a demon- John 6:v.70- and JESUS ordened to give the bag of money to Jude-the demon-, he was a thief and did steal the money that was in the bag.

From this point ahead, all know what happened in the life of JESUS having Satan at his side, and to defeat him on the cross. God has his ways in this War against Satan, now remains the battle against the three unclean spirits like frogs that come out of the MOUTH of a satanic trinity in this current time, even from now on: Revelation 16:v.13 to 16.

Be careful and get ready because there will be a great spiritual battle day after day, from now on or in days to come.

Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US, grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

Job 26:13 By His SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, His hand hath FORMED the crooked serpent.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God FORMED man of the dust of the ground....

Both the crooked serpent and man were FORMED, not created. You are not created in God's image until you are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh).

Psalms 104:39 Thou sendest forth thy spirit and they are created: and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.

You said: He is described AS IF (future tense)

I BELIEVE you are right.

I BELIEVE this is a PROPHESY of what we have been CREATED for; but until we depart this flesh iniquity is still found in us.

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

I incourage you to read Rev. 11:15-18.

The 7th angel. And shortly after that,

Well, 7 means complete.

But I could use more knowledge about it. I'm studying this currently.

Brother Earl,

I did it again!! maybe I should spell it.

The perfection is described in verses twelve through fourteen.

Gb.

Hi Marcus

Can't understand your question,

Can you edit it?

God bless.

You all need to watch Kat Kerr talk about the beginning, etc....

She has been going back and forth to heaven since childhood and God showed her His timeline of generations from the beginning. She is the go to Revelator (As God Calls Her). She is anointed to reveal heaven to us all! God led me right to her when I prayed specifically for Him to lead me to people who have been to heaven. Amazing revelations! Do it! You will never be the same guaranteed! Remember, God see's us as His children not His adults.

Brother Earl,

Correction. I meant to say His perfection is described in verses 12 through 14.

God bless, and goodnight.

native america and others use fire by old fashion survival for example stones or friction of stick. Adam and eve is very very very smart to figure out how to make fire as similar as native america culture.

Hi Brother Earl.

I agree, I don't think Lucifer was created perfect as far as "immune from Iniquity."

I believe his perfection is better described in verses 12 through 14.

He is described as if he's #1 in rank, or Complete for what he was created for.

""Thou sealest up the sum""

He also was ( THE ANOINTED CHERUB )

Ezekiel 28:12-13. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; THOU SEALEST UP THE SUM, full of wisdom, and PERFECT IN BEAUTY.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; EVERY PRECIOUS STONE WAS THY COVERING, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: THE WORKMANSHIP OF THY TABRETS AND OF THY PIPES WAS PREPARED IN THEE IN THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED.

THOU ART THE ANOINTED CHERUB THAT COVERED; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

THOU WAST PERFECT IN THY WAYS FROM THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee.

God bless.

Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.

Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.

Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).

From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.

1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).

Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....

Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.

Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).

Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.

Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.

Hello Arnold B , nice to meet you and thank you for your post , I too struggle with love , it isn't something that comes easy to me and I know that I do not love God or Jesus enough , you are right that we have to know how to love ourselves , if we don't know how to love ourselves how can we love some one else and if we don't know how to love other people who we can see ,how can we love God who we can't see , the thing that is helping me to learn is to see God everywhere , He is everywhere , He is in all of His gorgeous creation , if you in any way appreciate nature then you are appreciating God , He is in every act of kindness , every selfless act ,even the little ones , He is in every genuine smile , He is all over , where ever there is beauty or kindness He is there ,and if you can't see any kindness then it's up to you to bring it , He will use you to help others ,Jesus is our perfect example , it's a bit of a clich but to think to yourself "what would Jesus do ? " isn't a bad idea . He won't lead you down the wrong path .

In Joel chapter 3 verse 4, the Lord asked, what do you have against me, Tyre and Sidon and you cities of Philistia? What did those cities have against the Lord?

Dear Gregory , we are none of us worthy ,Christ is our righteousness , please take the bread and wine , he gave his body for you and me and he wants us to partake of it , Luke ch22 v7-20 .

Prophecy and what we have been taught, just my thoughts.

Studying prophecy, or any subject, scripture, and the Holy Spirit is the interpreter, we are not. Putting trust in man's interpretations without studying with a clear mind, with prayer, and led by the Holy Spirit of truth could be disastrous. If the Holy Spirit does not show us the answer, we may need to grow in other areas of our walk first. Praise God for what we have been shown.

Many teachings on end times reflect Babel, (confusion, a confused mixture of sounds, unintelligible voices, or languages, bewilderment, a confused and deceived assembly), making merchandise of people. Remember "take heed that no man deceive you".

If we have dedicated our belief in the teachings out there before we go to the Bible for the facts, the only things we will see will line up with the conclusion we have already come to, we deceive ourselves. Our ears to the Holy Spirit are closed. Maybe not willingly, we are blinded from the truth by the pride of our knowledge. Imaginations of the heart is a foothold of evil, we inherited from the first Adam and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

A simple question that may show how things we have been taught since Sunday school as a kid may have created a scotoma (blind spot) in our minds. Many probably know this answer but may it open some eyes and ears to other things we may be wrong about and not know we are wrong.

How many of each type of animal went into the Ark? If you first said two each, ( Genesis 7:2-3)

Clean beast by 7, male and female =14, unclean beast by 2, male and female=4, fouls by 7, male and female=14. Man by 4, male and female =8. All two-by-two male and female not two of each. I know this may be meaningless, but what other things much more important have we accepted, that we have been taught as truth, that is not?

If we have been deceived, are we responsible?

May we walk in the Holy Spirit of truth

RLW

I have a burden in my heart for someone I love. They need to feel the love and salvation power of Jesus. I pray the strongholds of the devil are taken away form their life. I love them dearly.