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I mentioned Millennium AND 1,000 years. Clearly I had that already.
I also mentioned that Rev. 20:1-6 is the only place in scripture that mentions any 1,000 yr period of time. Yes, I forgot the 7th verse. Forgive me. My point still stands.
You may not be very familiar with the Millennium doctrine, but it has about a handful of necessities for it to be legitimate within scripture. One of those is that the physical earth must remain throughout that 1,000 years. It does not. Isaiah 65:17-25 is often used to refute the 'No Millennium' position, but ironically the 1st verse there, verse 17 contradicts the Millennium immediately.
"For, behold, I create a New Heaven and a New Earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind."
Isa. 65:17
That completely nullifies a Millennial time period upon the physical earth. There are plenty more verses in scripture, many within Revelation itself, that undeniably eliminate the possibility of a Millennium doctrine. Jesus comes, gathers His saints, destroys all wickedness (devil, beast, false prophet, sinners, etc.) as well as the earth and then rebuilds it and His "Heavenly ETERNAL reign" ensues. NOT a physical earthly 1,000 year reign upon the existing earth where the devil is released at the end to again torment all that have ALREADY endured until the end. Matthew 24:13; Rev. 14:12 Would it make any sense at all for God to have us endure and obey throughout this physical lifetime, only to have to endure another 1,000 years and be tested and tormented all over again by the devil?
It would make ZERO sense and it would throw God's entire character into question - it would not follow scripture as a whole in the least.
Happy to answer questions and address any other verses you may like to present.
God bless.
The Millennium doctrine is based only upon 7 verses in Rev. 20:1-7, but that is a symbolic, visionary, spiritual prophecy that is not to be taken literally or in a linear understanding. Rev. 10 speaks of all time coming to an end while Rev. 19 speaks of the beast and false prophet being destroyed along with all sinners left in the world. By the time Rev. 20:1-7 begins, it has already been contradicted multiple times in Revelation itself. It is not to be taken literally. Matthew 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11 coincide perfectly showing Christ's return AFTER the Great Tribulation (there is NO Pre-Trib Rapture) and He gathers His people immediately before the Wrath of God destruction of the earth and all sinners.
There is no reconciling all those verses without taking the Millennium event of Rev. 20 out of literal interpretation.
The end times will include a Great Tribulation which all Christians will have to endure. Some will be converted to the antichrist faith out of fear and desperation. Some will be killed for their faith and refusal to denounce Christ and some will live throughout that time until the very end ( Matthew 24:29-31) when Jesus will come in an unimaginably dramatic fashion and every eye will see Him. ( Rev. 1:7) He will gather the remnant of His people and then God's Wrath will destroy the earth and all sinners therein as well as the devil, the beast and the false prophet. Then the New Heaven and New Earth will come about and Jesus' "Heavenly"(not physical earthly) reign will ensue.
Happy to discuss further if you'd like to address specific verses. It is very important for Christians to understand this information. Some would argue it is not salvific (does not concern salvation), but it very much does. Please review the verses I presented and respond with any questions.
Thank you and God bless.
Good explanation. I went and re-read the Rev. passages and it says Jesus will reign on earth 1000 years.
And I believe that, since He reigns eternally with the Father and Spirit, so this verse is not speaking about a 1000 year reign in heaven.
1 Corinthians Chapter 7 would be a good chapter to go to.
Anyway
These writings say they baptized in the words Jesus stated in Matthew 28:19
I am not sure why some wish to quibble about this. So, if anyone wishes to explain to me why,I would appreciate that. And, as I said, this really doesn't have anything to do with the Catholic Church as it did not exist in the early centuries as a universal authority based from Rome
One verse containing the words of Jesus is enough for me to believe that the apostles and disciples baptized thousands and thousands. And we do not know exactly how they did from Scripture. But we do know from accounts written by those close to the apostolic times, that they be
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Is there scripture outside Revelation that confirms an exact 1000 years? The answer is no. Are there false teachers out there? The answer is yes, there are many, 1 John 4:1. Are there scriptures that say the Son of God will reign on earth? The answer is yes. Psalm 2:6-9 Psalm 22:27-31 Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 9:6-7 Isaiah 24:21-23 Jeremiah 23:5 Ezekiel 20:33-44 Ezekiel 39:21-29 Zechariah 2:10-13 Zechariah 8:2-3 Zechariah 14:1-9 Matthew 19:28 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 20:4 and more.
Is there any scripture that says people will go to or reign in heaven? The answer is no. Are there scriptures that say the elect will reign with Jesus on earth? The answer is yes. Daniel 7:27 2 Timothy 2:11-13 Revelation 5:10. Are there scriptures that describe how things change after Jesus returns? The answer is yes. Zechariah 8:4 Isaiah 11 Isaiah 60:15 Isaiah 65:18-25. These people will be alive on the second coming of Jesus, they will have the opportunity to live longer if they choose to obey God.
Are there things that have not been revealed to us? The answer is, yes? Jesus will return and set up the kingdom here on earth and He will put all enemies under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25. Will death still be during the time Jesus is ruling? The answer is yes. The purpose is to fulfill the rest of the scriptures with Jesus, Israel, the Gentiles, and creation that has not yet been fulfilled.
The only scripture that gives us 1000 years is Revelation, but many scriptures tell us the kingdom will be set up on earth. We have these, Numbers 14:21 Psalms 115:16 Micah 4:1-3 Matthew 5:5 Matthew 6:10. Not to debate, with the time it will take I cannot say the 1000 years are false.
God bless,
RLW
So glad you have come to our Savior, Jesus Christ!
My suggestion is to get to know Jedus in each of the gospels first. Learn about His life, death, and resurrection. Learn about what He said and how He prayed to His Father.
God bless you today
Agreed
The Last Supper Discourse is full of amazing truths that really bless me every time I read through it. I am so glad that we have this lengthy record of what Jesus said to the disciples and prayed to His Father. Just beautiful!
My favorite Chapter in the New Testament is John Chapter 15. Jesus speaks about the vine and the branches, and that apart from Him, we can do nothing. In my opinion, it is a tremendous chapter and puts my walk with the Lord into proper perspective!
If we were to compare water baptism today with how it was done back in Jesus' day, there wouldn't be much resemblance. I am not aware of any church that performs baptisms the same way it was done back then. Baptism back then would be complete full immersion.
It is very interesting how these baptism's worked. The person who was performing the baptism (In this case, John the Baptist), they would never touch the person being baptized. So Jesus went into the water alone. John would just be there to witness it. The person being baptized would be responsible for pulling them self under the water and the witness would be there to make sure that all of you went under, hair and everything!
Everything had to be immersed and you had to be immersed three times. Even to this day the Jews immerse three times in their baptism. The Jews had no idea why they immersed 3 times for their baptism. But after Messiah came, and when He gave the believing Jews the commission to go out and preach the gospel to the Gentiles, He said, baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three times for the Trinity. Interesting background!
As for Matthew 3:11, the fire represents judgment, and we get that from the very next verse ( Matthew 3:12) where is says "But He (Christ) will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. So Christ is going to baptize His people with the Holy Spirit. That is the Lord's ministry. He baptizes people with the Holy Spirit.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12:10 that we have been all baptized by one Spirit and all made to drink of the one Spirit, and we have been baptized into the body of Christ. When the Lord ministers His Spirit, when He gives His Spirit to people, that is called "the baptism of the Holy Spirit."
So fire is judgment! He is going to baptize people (Those who have rejected Him) with fire in the judgment. But He is going to baptize His people with the Holy Spirit. That is His ministry.
Please don't ever let her family be home-less. Please divinely order her housing and employment for her AND her son.
Let her always see your loving hand in all of it and praise you rejoicing! In Jesus mighty name Amen!
Proverbs 1 says nothing about a 1,000 year period.
James 5, as well, says nothing at all about a 1,000 yr period of time. The only possible reference there is to the return of Christ and maybe the Wrath of God. Neither of which contain a 1,000 yr period of time. Matthew 24:29-31 presents the one and only return of Jesus and details many of the beginnings of the destruction of the earth at that very time. Millennium doctrine does not allow for destruction of the earth until after the 1,000 years. It is not supported by scripture anywhere outside of Rev. 20:1-7 which is symbolic or takes place in the spirit, not literal/physical. Isaiah 13:9-11 supports the same as Mt. 24:29-31.
2 Tim. 2 does not mention any 1,000 yr period of time. There is no support of the Mil. The only verse that could come close is 2:12 about 'reigning with Him.' That is not a reference to a Mil. time period, it is a reference to 1 Cor. 6:17 - our spirit being joined to the Lord at this very moment if we are 'IN' Christ
Please post 'specific' verses or passages if you wish to continue so that we can get right down to Hebrew/Greek 'word meanings' if necessary. Posting entire chapters is a waste of time.
Millennium = 1000 years
Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
* Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, for