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Attacking the words of Jesus and the Bible, is just another trick of the devil to lead people into false doctrine or "doctrines of demons".
Beware of sheep in wolves clothing.
I pray that I never bring accusation against Gods holy book. I'm going to trust the words of Jesus himself. I trust that if he did not say Matthew 28:19 then he would never have allowed it to be in the bible in the first place. Either I trust him or I don't. Either he is lord of all or not lord at all.
God bless us all with childlike faith. We are not ignorant of the devils devices. If he can get us to believe that the word of God is fallible then he can destroy our trust in God. I know we are in the end times we need to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. We need to test every spirit to see whether it be of the Lord.
A sluggard is one who is lazy or idle. Also, one who looks for trouble to get into due to idleness.
I also think that many adopt a "new" theological point of view when they hear it preached about with select Scripture to prove it. And so the hearer goes home, checks out the verses and says "Hey, that must be true!" Then they may google on it and pick the articles that support it. And then they share it with someone else within their "circle" and so it spreads readily because it depicts a certain "select" group as being more "chosen" than most others, or more "Spirit led" than most others, or having more or better "faith" than others, and on and on. Everyone wants to feel special, favored, or selected for something that everyone else does not receive. This is an enticement that besets humans. We need to be watchful for erroneous teachings and wary of teachings that spring up quickly and spread rapidly among believers and not have a "celebrity" attitude towards preachers and teachers that are invited to speak in our fellowships, cities, etc. Unfortunately, too many believers are not well taught about the Scriptural tenets of the faith that have stood the test of time (I call these orthodox teachings) and are too eager to embrace what makes them excited, strokes their egos or emotions, present a new "blessing" to be experienced, what is happening in other fellowships or areas that give the "appearance" of being a "move of God." Many are deceived this way and they fill their bucket up with many or these teachings without any firm base for their faith, leaving them unable to discern truth from error.
In a court of law Jesus saying he was the son of God wasn't logical, apparently, and he was hung on a cross at Calvary. When did the Bible become about logic? I thought it was more about faith God does what he wants either you believe it or not.
2 Peter 3, explains this. Isaiah 34:4 explains this.
After Armageddon, the Big Cleanup will commence. Why does it say Satan, etc will be locked up in hell one thousand literal years? Then Satan is released a short time to tempt those that survived the Tribulation. Later moved to the Lake of fire permanently?
We'll be in Heaven while God is restoring Eden to the earth. Where else would we be? We are the Bride of Christ.
It confuses the Christians when you say they go through the Tribulation. Why all the CAUGHT UP IN THE CLOUDS references?
I had a very anointed Pastor in Tulsa. Years later after I moved to Austin, I found out he had turned completely Apostate. He's on YouTube teaching perverted subjects condoning homosexuality; teaching There Is No Hell. He lost his church. Half of his sheep followed him.
Be careful what you teach. Why? God will judge us for lost sheep and lambs.
The Millennium doctrine maintains that the judgment will not come until after the 1,000 years. Your first sentence contradicts that right off the bat.
You are actually correct about everything up to the Millennium part. The Tribulation will come, then immediately after that Jesus returns, gathers His saints and the Wrath of God destruction of the earth (judgment of the earth and all sinners) ensues. After that is the New Heaven and New Earth. No Millennium time period at all. Jesus just reigns for eternity after all that. This coincides perfectly with these main end time verses.
Matt. 24:29-31
Isaiah 13:9-11
And does not coincide whatsoever with Rev. 20:1-7. Look at Rev. 19 and you will see that sinners and the beast and false prophet are already gone before Rev. 20 even begins. That's why you can't translate chapter 20 literally OR linearly. Chapter 10 tells us all time stops. ???
The small portion of scripture from Rev. 20:1 to 20:7 cannot be confirmed by any other scripture anywhere in the Bible. If you look at it enough, you will see this.
Matthew 28:19- (Words of Jesus about baptism)
Matthew 3:13-17
Jesus set an EXAMPLE of baptism for us and all three (tri-unity) were there. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, all together, at the baptism. Jesus always led by example.
I am not seasoned in the word YET as are most of y'all, but I do know enough to know that the Bible says this;
Revelation 22:18
Revelation 22:19
With emphasis on revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
For me, I trust that the Lord will lead me day by day according to His perfect will and Word. I am aware that persecution or martyrdom may be part of my future. I also, know that I may die any day. I also know God may grant me another 20-25 years of living here. So, I am not wringing my hands or even getting hyper excited about seemingly "fulfilled" prophecy in our day. I seek to be aware and ready and faithful and watchful and godly and prayerful and Spirit led. These things are enough to fill my day each day. There is so much teaching in the Bible besides prophecy that is very clearly understood. If today's Christians would live by these words the witness and readiness of the church of Christ would be greatly effective.
One of the conditions of the Millennium time period doctrine is that it must take place on the physical earth 'prior' to the earth's destruction. The 144, 000 are discussed in Rev. 7. Herein lies the problem. Rev. 6 describes the return of Christ and the Wrath of God 'destruction', and falling apart of the earth. Rev. 7:13-14 coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11. Also, Rev. 7:15-17 describes these people being in a heavenly/spiritual realm, not a physical one. The earth has already been destroyed at this time and the Millennium cannot be happening because its doctrine states that the earth will be the same throughout the 1,000 years and the New Heaven and New Earth will not come until after the Mill.
Daniel 7:12 also has a similar problem. It is all a symbolic, spiritual 'vision' - not literal. Verse 13 reads:
"I saw in the 'night visions' and behold one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. ... His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."
The Ancient of Days is a Spirit and resides in the spirit realm. John 4:24
An everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and a kingdom which shall not be destroyed does not say anything at all about a 1,000 year trial period of time. No Millennium verses here. This is all symbolic vision and/or things taking place in the spirit realm. They cannot be speaking of the Millennium doctrine.
We live in a world and bodies that are corrupted by the effect of sin.so, therefore, we have diseases, pestilence, disasters, tragic accidents, criminal behavior, etc. as a result. God does direct these results of sin in such a way to accomplish His purposes, but He does not do evil.
Also, allowing us to have free will does not enhance God at all. It benefits us in that we know that our worship of Him is by our love and choice, not forced and His revelation of Himself in history benefits us because otherwise we would not know Him well enough to comprehend how worthy He is of our love and worship by our own choice. God's wisdom in making us how we are is far above what we could ever understand. That is why trust is so important in our lives. We can trust God with all that we cannot understand and have hope in Him when we see such suffering, and we can have faith in Him when we feel burdened by our sinfulness.
That's a nice name, every Karen I've known has been very kind, loving & a beautiful person.
Chris answered you with a great Biblical answer.
For the 1st time I thought of a "worldly answer " to this question as I saw your question & was beginning to read the response. So, I thought I should share my thought. The bigger the 'free' gift in this world the bigger the responsibility= a baby, a car, a house, property as land, a boat. Every gift has to 1st be received then there's caring for or neglecting the gift/s. Even small gifts like a card, pan, food, potted flowers or pet. Each can be little or much obligation. How then do we think there could be no obligation to salvation? Even a gifted vehicle needs gas & care in driving it or it's useless in the world. I first thought of a vehicle, but then house property etc. Even in this world if 'gifts' aren't tended to they not only can be lost, they can, when not properly maintained cause much damage & loss to others. Like negligence causing fire, in a house, car or property. With Salvation GOD even mentions how our tongues can be. James 3:5-18, James 1:26-27,
James 1:17, yet GOD's gifts are perfect. Unlike our worldly gifts.
Hopefully this is helpful & welcomed to your discussion
I just rely on scripture for the final word on everything. If Catholic doctrines lined up with scripture perfectly, it wouldn't be an issue. The main question was about the baptismal formula.
"Why and when did the early church deviate from calling the name of JESUS over the person who was being baptized as in the Book of Acts?"
I don't know that we can know exactly when that change was made, but what we can know, and prove, is that the Bible supports baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ more so than the trinity formula.
All issues should be reckoned on the testimony of more than one witness.
"... In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."
2 Cor. 13:1
Deut. 17:6; 19:15
When we only have one verse in scripture that 'appears' to make the case for a trinity baptismal formula, but we have many verses to support the Name of Jesus formula, we are obligated to go with the case that has more weight of evidence in God's Word. God's Word carries much weight among Christians and it is very important that we seek the Truth from the majority of scripture on any case.
The Apostles would not have done 'their own' thing in this regard; that is IMPOSSIBLE. So we either have a translation error in Matt. 28:19, a misunderstanding of what Jesus was actually saying there, or the verse has been changed. It does not follow scripture at all.
If I was given a choice whether I would want to be baptized into the Name of Jesus Christ or into the generic father, son and holy ghost formula, I would choose to have my Savior's Name spoken over my baptism. After all, I want to be 'in' Jesus Christ, specifically.
My only input is when people have freewill they complain about people using it to choose evil, but if we were forced into being obedient robots, people would then complain about how they don't have freewill. You can't have both.
Which is more meaningful to a parent: a child willingly saying I love you when the child doesn't have to, or a child being required and forced to say it? Of course the first, and I believe it's likewise more meaningful to God when we willingly choose to follow and obey Him. God loved us enough to allow us to choose, knowing that many sadly would choose to deny and disobey Him.
How can I truly love my brother?
Lord help me to look at everyone through eyes of love. Love covers a multitude of transgressions.
Help me to look at everyone through eyes of mercy! The same eyes of mercy you look at me with.
Help me to love my brother and my enemy alike.
We may be spending eternity together! :-))
This is my sincere desire Lord.
Matthew 12:50
(Who is my brother?)
1 John 3:11-17
(Loving my brother)
1John is an amazing book of the Bible. Short read. Only 5 chapters. But I highly recommend it!
God bless you and keep you. :-).
You are missing the 144,000 resurrected saints who will be ministering to Jesus Messiah during the 1,000 years. Apparently the earth needs repair before it's able to transform itself.
You are also not taking into account the "other beasts" that were allowed to continue ( Daniel 7:12) after the beast and false prophet were placed in the lake of fire. So, the beast's surviving allies continued with the saints into the millennia. Note: it takes the house of Israel 7 months to bury Gog's bones. Symbolic as it may be, a earthly version will unfold here on earth: God is multi-dimensional and awesome, so you never know.
There's something mystical going on here. Albeit, God wants us to focus on this life, not the afterlife. That's why so little is given.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
See Numbers 21:8 and 21:9
I don't need to defend this. I just remembered something from 30 years ago. That's all. Even Wesley agrees:
Numbers 21:8
A fiery serpent - That is, the figure of a serpent in brass, which is of a fiery colour. This would require some time: God would not speedily take off the judgment, because he saw they were not throughly humbled. Upon a pole - That the people might see it from all parts of the camp, and therefore the pole must be high, and the serpent large. When he looketh - This method of cure was prescribed, that it might appear to be God's own work, and not the effect of nature or art: and that it might be an eminent type of our salvation by Christ. The serpent signified Christ, who was in the likeness of sinful flesh, though without sin, as this brazen serpent had the outward shape, but not the inward poison, of the other serpents: the pole resembled the cross upon which Christ was lifted up for our salvation: and looking up to it designed our believing in Christ.
James 4:3,
Hopefully these are helpful
I guess we will just have to differ on this because I do not wish to "x" out commands of Christ to fit a specific narrative about practices in the church we do not know about. Just because the book of Acts has a handful of examples of baptisms being done in Jesus name, we do not know the EXACT words the apostles used in these baptism, nor the practice of the other 12 apostles and hundreds of disciples from the Upper Room Pentecost, nor the leaders of the churches that were planted by the apostles. However, baptismal practices are reflected in the writings of the bishops the apostles appointed over these churches, so I will base my position on the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19, the silence of the epistle writers as to the exact words used in baptisms, and the witness of the writings of the bishops appointed by Paul and John and others. You can think what you wish. I do not wish to comnend on this matter any longer. Have a good day.
I know that the church was considered catholic during the apostolic times and in the early centuries such as the writing you indicated. This is a term that just meant universal in referring to the church of Christ. This was not the Roman Catholic Church. It was just a term used to describe the oneness of the church in Christ. The roman Catholic Church did not come into existence until the 5th or 6th century. In the time of the apostles and shortly thereafter, (which your writing of 110.A.D. falls into) the apostles appointed bishops to head churches throughout the region as churches were planted by the apostles. There were many bishops and these bishops wrote many letters and documents to churches and other bishops. So many of these bishops were contemporaries of the apostles and appointed by the apostles. I really doubt the apostles would appoint someone who was not sound in doctrine, as that is a requirement mentioned in several Scriptures. They practiced what the apostles and disciples of Jesus (who followed Jesus in His lifetime) taught them.
I understand that there are some who are unwilling to accept anything that rings of "Catholic". There is so much that can be said about the errors and abuses of the Roman Catholic Church (500 A.D. to present) and it is important for people to know of them. However, we must differentiate between the Roman Catholic Church and the church of the preceding centuries that was referred to as "catholic". The two are not the same. In the early church centuries before the Roman Catholic Church came to be, bishops were all equal and they would meet together to consider teachings that were thought to be heretical and make statements concerning these teachings along with other matters that arose from the persecution of Christians and divergence of practices among churches. They did not demand that all church fellowships be the same during this time period. There was not a central government of the church at that time.
Yep, Jesus has been reigning since God placed His name above all and put all under Him, and will reign here on earth after His second coming until all enemies are under His feet, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death", Revelation 20:14. Some say it will not be on earth because when Jesus first came He told Pilate His kingdom is not of this world, John 18:36. And He is now sitting on His throne and we are in the kingdom now, Colossians 1:13.
When Jesus first came it was spiritual, for those who entered the kingdom their names were written in the book. When Jesus comes again, His second coming will be physical, it says we will ever be with the Lord 1 Thessalonians 4:17. We see in Revelation when Satan is released, they surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, we should understand Jesus would also be there Revelation 20:9. When Jesus returns, He does not go back up He stays until all is fulfilled.
God bless,
RLW