James Chapter 1 Discussion Page 4

What is remarkable in the Judaic traditions are the example the word uses for the need of man always doing something right or wrong in comparison to the will of God! How making excuses for sin and disobedience, would somehow be justification for what He does.

What if the Jewish tradition never existed, what if the prophets were never recorded in the old testament? Their would be know need for A PROMISE TO BE FULFILLED! As a matter of fact there would be no sin that would separate us from God! There would be no need for a law!

The lives of the tribes have been reserved for mankind's learning. Beginning with Moses! They have recorded and saved all of it! Being delivered from slavery, with Moses as their guide. they continue on until now!

Through all the ups and downs, the troubles, the joys , the idea that God was the reason, and that A righteous King would be born unto them, even now is what we look for! Now Christ comes along and covers all that has been said and done. Fills every jot and tittle. Crosses every t and dots every I. In fact the king was born! He was here, and they rejected Him!

To understand the Judaic traditions would be a big help in understanding the relationship, of the law and gospel and what they mean to one another. Terms like circumcision. Born again, redemption, sanctification ,justification. The deeper man goes into his own works, believing something else, the further from the understanding of these things become!

We justify everything we do, that is the danger in believing we are right in a certain thing. That thing is called the works of the law. Soon there will be no law. Then we will understand what it means, when it is gone! Then the word Christian may become only a vapor of the past! Then they will say ,how can these things be?

Crossroman One of things I keep in mind is that the Church epistles were given to paul by Jesus Christ for us to understand what was received on Pentecost, why how, to whom, and operation, also the challenge daily we deal with between walking by the spirit or walking by the flesh. Everybody misses the mark so to speak that is not a license to sin or excuse the renewing the mind is a life long reality. Also sin broken fellowship is carrying out an action against against Gods Word which is different than thinking a negative thought which is just having a negative thought. There again when we walk in the perfect love of God spirit 1 Corinthians 13:5 the love of God thinketh no evil. Your correct the victory is won, one of the biggest problems in the Christian Church is not believing the Completeness of what we have been delivered from and walking in that. Our old man nature was declared dead by our deliverance from sin but again many people need instruction as to how to walk by the spirit and what to put on mentally avoid missing the mark. Not understanding is not a licence to disobey some believers just don't know. I believe sir we are on the same page. God Bless

Dianne hello. Romans 7 is not Paul as a Christian, but as one under law before conversion. There are many articles on the web with the correct view of this, just as there are many with the incorrect view. It is a difficult subject but if you look into it properly you can get it right. This is a very serious matter because we are either calling a Christian a wannabe law keeping sinner, or we are calling a sinner before conversion, a Christian. Either way, it is a serious reversal of the truth. The wrong way leads people to think that sinning is commonplace and to be expected and that victory is not something to be considered, and is actually calling the pre-conversion person a Christian. The right way simply exposes the power that the flesh has under law, but which power has been destroyed by Christ's sacrificial body. It is not a matter of sinning or not sinning, it is a matter of what Paul is actually saying and teaching. To get it wrong is to destroy his expose' of the relationship between law flesh and sin and leaves the believer confused as to the absolute victory that Christ won for us.

Howard We all in your terms give in so to speak, no man except Jesus Christ ever walked perfectly by the Spirit, as Paul outlined in Romans 7:14-25 we all deal with it. On the bright side we are forgiven by God through what Jesus Christ accomplished now the challenge to walk by the spirit is doing it is written. I don't dwell on what I do not do right also Paul in Philippians 3: 13, forget the past, that doesn't mean don't learn from it, don't dwell on it. A person who does a 300 yard dash doesn't in the middle of the race turn His head to look back. Just food for thought. In the end do the best you can then Philippians 2:13.

Can someone clarify James 1:12. I know we are tempted. But to endure temptation. I struggle with it and try my best not to give in

James chapter one like to understand it more

Hello Harley. I doubt if this passage is what you're thinking of, but it's the closest that I can think of that fulfils your requirements.

Leviticus 25:10: "And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile(e) unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family."

This whole chapter speaks about God's commandment to Israel concerning the Year of Jubilee. This was different to every seventh year that was a Sabbath of rest for the land - to refrain from planting & harvesting. The Year of Jubilee was seven Sabbaths of years (i.e. 49 years), at which time, on the fifteeth year, the proclamation would go out to that all slaves, those of Israel who were bonded to another as servants, matters of property sales, the state of the poor, etc., would find relief & be freed from their obligations. If the matter was about a person, they were set free to return to their homes. And all this was to remind Israel that they are bond-servants to God, were once in slavery in Egypt, but were freed from them by God's Hand & Power. Likewise, Israel ought to deal favourably with others as God dealt with them.

And 1 Kings 4:25 comes to mind: "And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon." Under King Solomon, Judah & Israel found peace so each person (family) were able to live securely in their own home (or, under his vine..under his fig tree).

However, if you're thinking of a New Testament verse, then if you could expand on the quote you gave.

Hi, yes I am looking For: the Bible Quote That talk about Life, Liberty, and the right own property" can you help or lead me in right direction HELP

Hi Simon,

I like to study and engage in eschatology as well, but I don't treat it like a hobby, I didn't want to deviate from Kates concern, I was addressing another issue altogether.

Thanks.

S. Spencer,

Greetings, this site has some of the best NT scripture-smiths around. NT 27 strong.

Salvation to me begins at the seventh trumpet twinkle, with the 144,000 first fruits standing on the hill with Messiah, the Christ. ( Revelation 14:3-4) Please try to account for any souls other than these who are worthy of the first fruit resurrection, lest ( Revelation 20:5)? From your study, what are 2 things Christians should know about salvation?

I'm really surprised at how little of the OT, especially the prophets, are discussed here. They're the foundation, they offer tomorrows clews: Daniel 7:8 being Ezekiel 38:14 (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey) should interest you enough to see what they're talking about.

One thing we can agree on is that we are living in the end-times of Matthew 24, yet no one talks about it.

Hi Simon,

Thanks, but no thanks,

Not interested at this time in a long, long, long Escatology debate. I was commending Kate for her concern about her love ones.

Trust me that Crack in the door will ease open again, But right now I'm talking about Soteriology!!

Thanks.

S. Spencer,

Jesus comes "like a thief" at the sixth trumpet too. 1 Thessalonians 5:2

Joel 2:11

"His" northern army defeats Babylon.

It is God with antichrist's army who lays Jacob's land desolate...

Revelation 16:15 has a magical feel to it as if it were mirroring another time stamp, which it is.

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Hi Kate,

God bless you,

Keep spreading the Gospel,

I pray the Lord will come "but at his appointed time" but for many of my love ones and friends I'm glad he's patient and taking his time!!

The Lord came the first time with salvation,

Next he will comes in the clouds for his Church,

And then he comes to earth in Judgement.

Now is the time for salvation!!

2 Peter 3:9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH! but that all should come to repentance.

This verse means he's tarrying giving time to repent before he comes,

We or no one else should wish for his coming for the unsaved.

Amos 5:18 (KJV) Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Let's minister to all we can while it's still day.

God bless you.

Amen. I also have 2 best friends who are atheists, and I really want them to believe again but it is hard. Nevertheless I won't stop spreading the gospel of Jesus and I will keep trying to let them believe again before Jesus comes.

Thank you for this. I appreciate it. I hope when Jesus comes, most of the people will be ready for it.

God did. If you read through the Geneologies from the Old Testament through to Jesus's birth in the New Testament:

You will see that through Mary's and Joseph's Geneology, that the bloodline of Jesus Christ was carefully recorded in the pages of the Bible.

Before Genesis, and the marriage of Adam to Eve, the bloodlines that would bring Jesus forward to Bethlehem; was prophesied and spoken many times.

You can Google CHARTS to view with Jesus. There's scads of charts so be sure it matches what is recorded in the King James Bible.

Mishael

We know that God the father had Jesus the son to redeem the lost.

As John 3:16 points out.

For God so loved the world he have his only begotten son. That who shall believe in him shall not parish but have external life.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. Therefore , we are saved by grace.

how do we know the death of Christ was Planned and who planned it

how do we know the death of Christ was Planned and who planned

There is nothing jesus can't do!!!

Thanks Lidia for that insight. I agree, even as Jesus, before releasing His Spirit, gave John that charge to care for His Mother ( John 19:25-27), and showed a special affection for John & may even have declared that to him during their times together.

We see the beauty & richness of his Gospel coming through as a result of that intimacy & impartation of Divine Truths John enjoyed & received.

Thanks Chris for that insight. That really answered my question.I should have known it was John I guess I had a brain freeze.

I have come to realize that "using the phrase whom Jesus loved" was indicating to us that John being the youngest, Jesus knew John's heart; knowing that He could rely on John to take care of His mother after His crucifixion's.

Hi Howard. I believe that the other disciple was John himself. We read in John 20:2 "Then she (Mary Magdalene) runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them...".

John 13:23: "Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved."

John 21:20: "Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?"

So you can see the common phrase in each of these verses: "whom Jesus loved". John often referred to himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved. Why he did this, I'm unsure. Though not wanting to give any focus or attention to himself, rather to the Lord & the other brethren, could be a valid reason.

In John at the tomb.it says Peter and another disciple but does not name him. I was wondering who this in named disciple might be.

what was the sin of the Lame man at the Pool of Bethesda

Hi Sacha,

I am sorry to hear about the deaths in your family going on. As it is a part of life and I so understand wanting others you care about to be saved, and with the Lord, though they have their own beliefs.

I just as you, and I'm sure all others in Christ, yearn for the day that we will be with the Lord in glory where He is in His Kingdom.

Isaac,

This will be my last post to you as I did not wish to make you angry or drive you away. You have just as much right to post here as I do. As I stated I did not want you to take my post harshly as it seems you did. I am sorry you took it that way.

You stating "you guys" but please only keep this between you and me. Maybe you are perceiving me and Carleton as "you guys" because we both asked you a similar question?

Like I stated truthfully. I am not one to sharpen your iron on this topic of Genesis. I stated where my focus is.

Please feel free to keep posting and maybe someone else can help you.

Again I apologize.

God Bless.

Only one reason Issac, as mentioned before, the discussion is time consuming, so the value for me must start at the Cross. I remain interested in your thoughts in Genesis 1 and 2, if I believe that finally the goal is the increase of our faith and relationship at the Cross. I am sure that no one means offense otherwise. I am sorry for my part in your offense.

Brother Carleton,

Thank you very much for your reply. I very much enjoyed reading of the things about the vision of another brother about a year ago. That is also amazing how your wife came home today with that book and the title is close to what I stated in that "the Lord is closer than we may think". The Lord is so perfect!

I usually don't post things about my personal experiences with the Lord. Though today as I was getting a bit emotional while praying I heard that He wanted me to share that with you all.

As none of us know exactly what is to happen and when. We must make sure we are ready for the Lord to come at any time. As we are taught in Matthew 24:42-44. I know a lot of people are waiting for a "rapture" which may happen and of coarse is the best thing for us with the Lord. Though I really don't see it being that easy for us.

Like said no matter what happens have no fear. We must endure till the end no matter what. Glory and honor to our Father in Heaven through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God Bless you my brother.