I was just wondering...since the rich man and Lazarus are just souls, no bodies, as the resurrection of dead has yet to happen, what are those flames? Material? Spiritual? A metaphor for something else? What's your opinion?
I don't believe there is any place in scripture that would indicate that our loved ones who have passed away can see us or feel our love for them. I do however think that those who have passed away can remember their past life on earth. We see this in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man was tormented in this flame which tells us that he was not saved and that he still had a sense of feel because he asked for Abraham to cool his tongue. He also remembered his brothers on earth who were not saved because he asked that someone would be sent to testify to his brothers.
I find that story to be quite interesting. Here's this rich man being tormented in these flames, and he doesn't ask Abraham to get him out, but that he would just cool the tip of his tongue. Either he didn't want out because he didn't want anything to do with Jesus, or he knew that it was impossible for him to be saved after he had died in a state of rejection.
Men are never spoken of in Scripture as "spirits".
Man has a spirit, but he is not "a spirit", for a spirit hath not flesh and bones".
In this life man has "flesh and blood", a "natural" (or psychical) body.
At death this spirit "returns to God Who gave it" ( Ps. 31:5. Eccles. 12:7. Luke 23:46. Acts 7:59).
In resurrection "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him" ( 1Cor. 15:38). This is no longer a "natural" (or psychical) body, but a "spiritual body" ( 1Cor. 15:44).
,,, There are two sides to paradise, which us where we all go when we die,,, Heaven and a Prison ,,, which IS where God is, wherever God is that's Heaven ,,, those who make the first resurrection when they die go to the Heaven side,,,,, those who don't, go to prison,,, there is a great fixed gulf that separate's them,,, read Luke 16,,, the parable of the Rich man, and Lazarus, a powerful lesson.
Luke 16:19-26. The only passage that Jesus Himself talks about where a person goes after he dies. There is Heaven and Hell. I pray all will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10.
Luke 23:43
Acts 1:25; John 17:12 Judas Iscariot is the son of perdition. He went to his own place. Revelation 17:8
Isaiah 5:14
Romans 16:25-27
John 3:16 I pray many will be saved. Keep the Faith, trust only and believe in the blood of Jesus Christ. Nobody can save themselves. We give glory to God for He gave us a free gift, a gift of Grace, the grace of God that is available to all.
Salvation is only received through believing and trusting in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, it is the Gospel of Jesus Christ that saves. The law will only drive the lost soul unto the Gospel and Salvation. Galatians 3: 11, 12, 21-26. Romans 10: 9, 10
Praise the Lord for His redemption through His blood on the cross that gives Salvation unto all those who believe and trust in Him.
May we all pray diligently for our leaders to believe and have the mind of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:1-4
God bless all on this forum with the wisdom of the Lord. May His comforting hand be on all.
James 1:3 says knowing this, that your trial of the faith, and the word "your" in the Greek text goes with the word trial, not the word faith. Your trial of the faith is working out endurance.
What he's telling them is that we are to live by faith and trust the Lord and not trust our circumstances and not trust our feelings. And we are to do this by remaining under our circumstances and trusting the Lord.
And we experience two things when we do that. Number one, we experience Christ Himself. He's the one who sustains us. And number two, we get to learn about the ways of the Lord to pass on to others.
Verses 2, 3, and 4 need to be considered together in order to fully grasp the point James is making. In the previous verse, he has written that believers must call it joy when trials come our way. Or, to put it more bluntly, we should see the good side of bad things happening to us. Verse 2 uses an accounting term, which has nothing to do with our emotions. We might feel sorrow or anger over our trials, but we can still tally them under "joy."
Here in verse 3, James gives the beginning of his answer to why God would ask us to do that. In short, it's about faith. It's about trusting God. God wants us to respond to trials-to the hard things in our lives-in a way that demonstrates our trust in Him. A major theme of the book of James is that God cares deeply about our faith in Him. Faith, a trusting, humble reliance on God, is how we came into relationship with Him in the first place. That is how we come to trust in Christ for our salvation. And a Christian's growing faith in God is evidence of a growing relationship with Him.
So, James says that when a trial or hardship comes our way, we should label that moment as joyful because it will test our faith. By definition, a trial creates a moment where we don't know how things will work out. A trial wrecks our plans. A trial takes away our ability to see the clear path to getting what we think will make us happy. It is in those moments that we make life's most critical choices. Either we will decide, "If God let this happen to me, I will not trust Him. If He will not prevent days like this, I will find someone else to trust." Or, the struggle will push us to turn to God for more help, to trust more deeply that He is with us and for us, to believe that He will carry us through.
When we choose to trust Him, He provides. Our endurance-the ability to keep trusting Him while trials continue unresolved-grows. And since our faith is the most important thing to our God, that is worth rejoicing.
James 1:21 here we are taught the message that the soul is saved by faith with works, the Apostle James writes teaches three commandments, the first is to lay aside all filthiness, number two is to lay aside an abundance of wrong doing, the third is to receive with meekness, the Ten Commandments that was written in the heart of every Christian, for this is able to save out souls. This appears to be the same theology that the Lord Jesus taught the Lawyer in Luke 10:25-28 when he answered the question on how to inherit eternal life, Jesus said keep the Ten Commandments written in the heart and you shall live.
No mention at all in wesleys notes of the sundial,
And "ALL" is not written in THE WORD OF GOD !
Father of LIGHTS! The light that LIGHTETH every man...
This is not ALL LIGHTS.
interpretation in self is always selfish.
And there is no private interpretation.
Howbeit when He, The Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide us into all truth, for He shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak, and He will show you things to come.
Truth be with you and bring you to His paths of righteousness , for His Glorious names sake, The a mighty and high name of CHRIST JESUS
Hello Shaarei. You're referring to James 1:17 & also to Wesley's notes to it. Wesley does agree to, "Father of Lights". But in his explanation further, he states, 'Father of ALL light', which applies to "the material or spiritual, in the kingdom of grace & glory". I can accept that God's Light is so great & all-consuming, that nothing, whether of matter or spirit, can escape its reach & penetration.
"with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning". God can never change or can have anyone change Him; nor can He cast a shadow (as one's shadow would fall to a surface & move according to the sun's position), because God doesn't move from Who He is & what He does. That is my understanding & Wesley states, "In God is nothing of this kind", meaning, though He is Light & the Creator of all the light we see in the heavens, the effect of that light in the heavens that impacts our lives to some degree, has no impact on God, even if God should stand under its glow. I don't see that Wesley has said anything contradictory - given that no one person would fully agree with another on some of these interpretations & the thoughts & expressions also affect what we read.
I believe that the word of God was written down by men Slade in the spirit so in order to interpret the word you have to be slayed in the spirit so Bible study is important and bible study being said by spirit filled man teaching
I've been away for a while so I'm not sure if you're responding to someone or you are asking this question for yourself? Either way, what leads me to believe that James is the half-brother of Jesus is that after Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph had other children. We know that Jesus had four half-brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas (Jude), and at least two half-sisters.
Paul says in Galatians 1:19, "But other of the apostles I didn't see, except for James the Lord's brother." This would be the Lord's half-brother, also the author of the book of James. What would make James the Lord's half-brother is that they shared the same mother, but different fathers.
Like 16 is sure some interesting reading.
I was just wondering...since the rich man and Lazarus are just souls, no bodies, as the resurrection of dead has yet to happen, what are those flames? Material? Spiritual? A metaphor for something else? What's your opinion?
GBU
I don't believe there is any place in scripture that would indicate that our loved ones who have passed away can see us or feel our love for them. I do however think that those who have passed away can remember their past life on earth. We see this in the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man was tormented in this flame which tells us that he was not saved and that he still had a sense of feel because he asked for Abraham to cool his tongue. He also remembered his brothers on earth who were not saved because he asked that someone would be sent to testify to his brothers.
I find that story to be quite interesting. Here's this rich man being tormented in these flames, and he doesn't ask Abraham to get him out, but that he would just cool the tip of his tongue. Either he didn't want out because he didn't want anything to do with Jesus, or he knew that it was impossible for him to be saved after he had died in a state of rejection.
Man has a spirit, but he is not "a spirit", for a spirit hath not flesh and bones".
In this life man has "flesh and blood", a "natural" (or psychical) body.
At death this spirit "returns to God Who gave it" ( Ps. 31:5. Eccles. 12:7. Luke 23:46. Acts 7:59).
In resurrection "God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him" ( 1Cor. 15:38). This is no longer a "natural" (or psychical) body, but a "spiritual body" ( 1Cor. 15:44).
,,, There are two sides to paradise, which us where we all go when we die,,, Heaven and a Prison ,,, which IS where God is, wherever God is that's Heaven ,,, those who make the first resurrection when they die go to the Heaven side,,,,, those who don't, go to prison,,, there is a great fixed gulf that separate's them,,, read Luke 16,,, the parable of the Rich man, and Lazarus, a powerful lesson.
Satan is the son of perdition, not Judas btw.
Luke 23:43
Acts 1:25; John 17:12 Judas Iscariot is the son of perdition. He went to his own place. Revelation 17:8
Isaiah 5:14
Romans 16:25-27
John 3:16 I pray many will be saved. Keep the Faith, trust only and believe in the blood of Jesus Christ. Nobody can save themselves. We give glory to God for He gave us a free gift, a gift of Grace, the grace of God that is available to all.
Hope this helps.
Praise the Lord for His redemption through His blood on the cross that gives Salvation unto all those who believe and trust in Him.
May we all pray diligently for our leaders to believe and have the mind of Christ. 2 Timothy 2:1-4
God bless all on this forum with the wisdom of the Lord. May His comforting hand be on all.
July 14, 2022
James 1:3 says knowing this, that your trial of the faith, and the word "your" in the Greek text goes with the word trial, not the word faith. Your trial of the faith is working out endurance.
What he's telling them is that we are to live by faith and trust the Lord and not trust our circumstances and not trust our feelings. And we are to do this by remaining under our circumstances and trusting the Lord.
And we experience two things when we do that. Number one, we experience Christ Himself. He's the one who sustains us. And number two, we get to learn about the ways of the Lord to pass on to others.
Here in verse 3, James gives the beginning of his answer to why God would ask us to do that. In short, it's about faith. It's about trusting God. God wants us to respond to trials-to the hard things in our lives-in a way that demonstrates our trust in Him. A major theme of the book of James is that God cares deeply about our faith in Him. Faith, a trusting, humble reliance on God, is how we came into relationship with Him in the first place. That is how we come to trust in Christ for our salvation. And a Christian's growing faith in God is evidence of a growing relationship with Him.
So, James says that when a trial or hardship comes our way, we should label that moment as joyful because it will test our faith. By definition, a trial creates a moment where we don't know how things will work out. A trial wrecks our plans. A trial takes away our ability to see the clear path to getting what we think will make us happy. It is in those moments that we make life's most critical choices. Either we will decide, "If God let this happen to me, I will not trust Him. If He will not prevent days like this, I will find someone else to trust." Or, the struggle will push us to turn to God for more help, to trust more deeply that He is with us and for us, to believe that He will carry us through.
When we choose to trust Him, He provides. Our endurance-the ability to keep trusting Him while trials continue unresolved-grows. And since our faith is the most important thing to our God, that is worth rejoicing.
Streetpreacher
Thank you for your words.
There is no mention of the sundial. Which is the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY directly above us at all times.
ALL, is not written in the scriptures , Father of Lights , is not Father of ALL lights, or ALL would have been written.
The consuming light, is not all lights
the light that lighteth every man, is not all lights
The light of the world, is not all lights of the world.
And let them be for lights, in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, and it was so.
This is not the light of the world. Is not all lights. And is not referred to as all lights.
however I see this
All things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made .
so the lights in the firmament are made by Him, It is His.
The lights through narrow windows ,
The lights in the upper room, also through Him that made all things.....
Which makes our GOD the Father of all things,
Not just light
Much to see and hear and walk, in the Word of the LORD,
VICTORY BELONGS TO JESUS
peace flood your day
And "ALL" is not written in THE WORD OF GOD !
Father of LIGHTS! The light that LIGHTETH every man...
This is not ALL LIGHTS.
interpretation in self is always selfish.
And there is no private interpretation.
Howbeit when He, The Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide us into all truth, for He shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak, and He will show you things to come.
Truth be with you and bring you to His paths of righteousness , for His Glorious names sake, The a mighty and high name of CHRIST JESUS
"with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning". God can never change or can have anyone change Him; nor can He cast a shadow (as one's shadow would fall to a surface & move according to the sun's position), because God doesn't move from Who He is & what He does. That is my understanding & Wesley states, "In God is nothing of this kind", meaning, though He is Light & the Creator of all the light we see in the heavens, the effect of that light in the heavens that impacts our lives to some degree, has no impact on God, even if God should stand under its glow. I don't see that Wesley has said anything contradictory - given that no one person would fully agree with another on some of these interpretations & the thoughts & expressions also affect what we read.
If any of you lack wisdom , let him ask of God
Notice it did not say ask another person !
Proverbs says wisdom is the principle thing .
It's also said that only the wise can learn .
So I encourage anyone to ask God through Jesus name to grant you wisdom to understand his word and ways .
If you miss this you will be subject to men and the many so called that are deceived.
But ask in faith , God is faithful , you will be surprised to find many things are not so as you heard .
But the truth will set you free !
And caused Mary a virgin to conceive
And he was to be called Jesus
Jesus came thru the tribe of Judah
The order of Melchizedek
Who was Melchizedek
He had no father or mother and was a king and a priest and Abraham even tithed to him
He had no beginning or end
The only one who fits that description is Jesus
Just my thought
But the Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive
God the father did the son and god the holy spiritual are one and the same
Jesus refers to god the father
So possible that Jesus did not share and genes with Mary and definitely not Joseph
How could Mary give birth to a son if all women have xx genes and men xy genes
The male determines sex of the child
If he gives x gene it's a girl
If he gives y gene it's a boy
So how could Mary give birth to a boy
Both Mary and Joseph were of the tribe Judah
Am I questioning god
No
I am a Christian
Mary was very special
Yes she was a virgin
Yes she gave birth to Jesus
Jesus came to earth as gif in the body of a human
Fully god and fully man
And came from heaven so he knew heaven like none other
John 1 and verse 1
I'm in beginning was the word the word was with god and the word was god
I use only King James Version of Bible
Other versions change words and words change meaning
So Jesus Is god
Only after birth of Jesus did Mary and
Joseph have children
So in one way that makes them half brothers
But again maybe they did not share any genes
Remember I am just thinking
My ignorance is much greater than my knowledge
I believe the king James of Bible is inerrant
Please just take my words with a grain of salt
Jesus was the only perfect one to walk the face of the earth
Sacrificed himself for our sins
The truth remains simple
Jesus sacrificed himself
For our sins
We are all sinners and in need of salvation
We all must know that
Ask Jesus/god
For forgiveness and repent of our sins
Ask for that free gift if salvation
He will and doeS
I've been away for a while so I'm not sure if you're responding to someone or you are asking this question for yourself? Either way, what leads me to believe that James is the half-brother of Jesus is that after Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph had other children. We know that Jesus had four half-brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas (Jude), and at least two half-sisters.
Paul says in Galatians 1:19, "But other of the apostles I didn't see, except for James the Lord's brother." This would be the Lord's half-brother, also the author of the book of James. What would make James the Lord's half-brother is that they shared the same mother, but different fathers.