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Sister Nanette, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS understanding and HIS wisdom.

You are correct, The Spirit is ONLY CALLING OUT the manifest Sons of GOD; NOW, in the age of grace. (first death and resurrection)

But:

Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (CREATION) WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of GOD.

Romans 8:20 For the creature (CREATION) ITSELF shall be DELIEVERED from the bondage of corruption INTO the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.

The rest of creation (second resurrection and second death) will be delivered (to Spiritual truth and Spiritual life) THROUGH JUDGEMENT. ( Isaiah 4:4) The lake of fire that burneth with brimstone.

1 Corinthians 3:15 ....But he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as BY FIRE.

Earl In Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for GOOD it doesn't say bad to them that love God condition does not apply to unbeliever to them that are called the church according to His purpose. In His Service

Brother Jess, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

WE ARE POTS (vessels):

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the clay (pot), of the same lump (of clay) to make one vessel UNTO HONOUR, and another (vessel) UNTO DISHONOUR.

John 15:16 You HAVE NOT chosen me, I HAVE CHOSEN YOU .....

You are giving yourself powers that YOU DO NOT HAVE. Pot's CANNOT DO ANYTHING (they are chosen to fullfill a predestinated position in the kingdom of heaven).

Mankind is walking in the will of God whether they know it or not; most sure don't believe that everything happening is the WILL of God.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Spirit) that WORKETH IN YOU (creation; honourable and dishonourable vessels, causing them) both to WILL and to DO his (the Father's pleasure). (You can of yourself DO NOTHING John 15:5).

Your HAVE NO CHOICE;

Romans 8:20 For the creature (creation) was MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ....

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who (the pot) opposeth and exalteth HIMSELF above all that is called God; so that he (the pot) setteth in the TEMPLE OF GOD (you are the temple of God 1 Corinthians 3:16-17), (the pot) showing himself that he (the pot) is GOD (above the sovereignty of the Spirit, not believing the words of God.

None will perish; because it is God that is working in creation to FULLFILL his words; Man has no SAY in whats being FULLFILLED.

1 John 4:14 For we have seen and do testify that THE FATHER SENT the Son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Do you believe Christ is going to FAIL his Father's commission.

RLW: "we will be here and we must be prepared":

Now, this is quite interesting, what is your take, RLW, on three of your so-called "prophecy Experts," who Will Be Here, and the "way THEY teach to be prepared"?:

(1) says to {SELFishly?} "hoard UP SEVEN years worth of food for the coming famine"

(2) says to "FLEE from the cities to the protection of the RURAL areas"

(3) says to "FLEE from the U.S. To the safety of Ethiopia"???

(4) maybe you have "another idea" for preparedness?

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Now, those of us, In The Body Of CHRIST:

(A) who are looking, watching, and waiting patiently For The LORD JESUS CHRIST ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1) ( Romans 8:18-19) ( Romans 8:23) ( Romans 8:25) ( 1 Corinthians 1:7) ( Ephesians 6:12-18) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 4:1-3) ( 1 Thessalonians 1:10) ( 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11) ( Titus 2:13)

(B) To Take us home to Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:1) ( 2 Corinthians 5:2) ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20) ( Ephesians 2:6) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 1:5) ( 2 Timothy 4:18)

Believe OUR "preparation" should be to:

(1) Stay where God Has Called us, preaching The Gospel Of GRACE ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9), to the lost,

(2) "studying" God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15), avoiding ALL of the above Confusion, And:

(3) Using our {God-Given} resources to, In "ONE WORD - LOVE our neighbor" ( Galatians 5:14) ( Romans 13:8-10), and {UNselfishly!} teaching/helping those in need!! ALL in "preparation" for:

(C) Judgment ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15) for "rewards" for these! Amen?

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified!

Popeye asks: "infirmity" questions - Please help me that I may pass it along.

Popeye, Precious friend, I will pray for you - hope this helps:

God's GRACE In our infirmities

(1) Read Romans 5:1-5, especially take note of verse 3, "we glory [rejoice] in tribulations." We are not instructed here to glory in spite of the trials of life we find ourselves in, but we are to rejoice because of them. That is to say we are to thank God for allowing times of suffering into our life. This passage of Scripture expressly states that The Lord uses the tribulations of life "to conform us to The Image Of His Son" ( Romans 8:29). To this end, He uses all things "to work together for good to them that love God, to them that are the called According To His Purpose" ( Romans 8:28). As we grow mature in The Lord, our Savior is Glorified. As believers in Jesus Christ it is given us "in behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His Sake" ( Philippians 1:29). (Borrowed from brother Ed Bedore) My study:

(2) After Paul [our #"pattern"# for Today!] prayed 3 times for his affliction, the "Answer he Received," According To The Scriptures, Was:

"And HE [CHRIST] Said Unto me, MY GRACE Is Sufficient For thee: For MY Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory [cp] in my infirmities, that The Power Of CHRIST May Rest Upon me!" ( 2 Corinthians 12:9) cp ( 2 Corinthians 11:23-30)

(3) Compare With GRACE Scriptures: ( Romans 5:1-5) ( Romans 8:18) ( Romans 8:26-29) ( 1 Corinthians 10:13) ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4) ( 2 Corinthians 4:17) ( 2 Corinthians 12:9) ( Philippians 3:21)

#"pattern"# = Paul = ( 1 Timothy 1:16) ( Philippians 4:9)

Please be Very Encouraged In The LORD JESUS CHRIST And His Word Of Truth!

Sister Loretta:

Romans 8:20 For the creature (CREATION) was made (by God through Christ) subject to vanity (to sin), NOT WILLINGLY (creation had no say in the matter). BUT by REASON (total knowledge and wisdom) of HIM (GOD) who hath subjected the same (CREATION) in HOPE (redemption and deliverance by the WORKS of God through Christ),

Romans 8 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (CREATION) WAITETH (till the second resurrection) for the manifestation (first resurrection) of the sons of God (The SEED of GOD).

Romans 8:21 But the creature (CREATION) ITSELF also shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the GLORIOUS LIBERTY of the children of God.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULNESS OF TIMES he might gather IN ONE all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even IN HIM:

Acts 3:21 Whom the HEAVEN (Son of God) must receive until the TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS, which God hath spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets since the world begin.

John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.

Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Romans 9:23 And that he might make know the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath afore prepared unto glory,

Romans 11:31 Even so have these now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Precious friend(s), IF you have prayed and received NO healing, Then, think about:

God's GRACE in our infirmities:

Read ( Romans 5:1-5), especially take note of verse 3, "we glory [rejoice] in tribulations." We are not instructed here to glory in spite of the trials of life we find ourselves in, but we are to REJOICE because of them. That is to say we are to thank God for allowing times of suffering into our life. This passage of Scripture expressly states that the Lord uses the tribulations of life "to conform us to the image of His Son" ( Romans 8:29). To this end, He uses all things "to work together for good to them that love God, to them that are the called according to His purpose" ( Romans 8:28).

As we grow mature in the Lord, our Savior is glorified. As believers in Jesus Christ it is given us "in behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to SUFFER for His sake" ( Philippians 1:29).

Hello ChrisE,

Whether or not you are misunderstanding those verses, I have no way of answering that because I don't know your understanding of them. You're asking me how is it that you have life everlasting? If you tell me you have life everlasting, I would say you have everlasting life because you received Christ and you've been born of His Spirit, not because you simply believed.

To be clear, I know that belief is important. But belief itself does not save anyone. If you are telling me that belief alone meets the requirement for salvation, I am going to have to disagree. In the early Church, the requirement for salvation was the presence of God's Spirit dwelling within a person ( Romans 8:9).

The demons intellectually understand and believe the truth about God. And they recognize Christ, and they confess Him, and they honor Him. But they never surrender to Him. This tells me that belief alone does not save. A person must surrender their life to Christ in order to be saved.

There are three things involved in the human life. There's the mind, there's the heart, and there's the mouth.

In Romans Chapter 10, it says that if we confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that Christ is raised from the dead, that we shall be saved.

And some people mistake the fact that you can just say with your lips those words, but if you just say with your lips those words, it's the mind and the lips, not the heart and the lips.

There's a difference. Jesus said with the heart a man believes! I can believe with my mind. I can believe intellectual thoughts and truths about God, and not be surrendered to Him in my heart, my spirit. There's a difference between believing the truth with your mind and surrendering to Christ with your heart.

Concerning "the birthday" of the church? "the beginning of the church {GR. ekklesia = assembly} of God in operation started day of Pentecost."? There is another Bible view of this, eliminating a lot of confusion:

(1) The Pentecostal assembly was God's Continuation of prophecy and law for Israel, the assembly Jesus showed HIS Twelve apostles, "on the EARTH," in ( Matthew 16:18)

a) This assembly is "associated" with water baptism AND Baptism By Christ, Pouring Out "WITH" HIS Holy Spirit, for "powers, signs, and wonders," and healing everyone, Correct?

However, with Right Division ( 2 Timothy 2:15), we have, for God's GRACE And MYSTERY:

(2) The GRACE church of today is a "New Creation" showed To Paul, HIS ONE apostle:

"If any man [be] In CHRIST, [he is] a New Creature..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:17)

A) This "New Creation" is actually The Body Of CHRIST, which was UNknown in Matthew, being "Hidden In God" ( Ephesians 3:9), until Paul:

B) God Saved, By GRACE and MERCY, Paul as our "Pattern = in me FIRST..." ( 1 Timothy 1:16)

C) Since Paul was The FIRST man IN The Body of CHRIST, It is Called "the ONE New man"

( Ephesians 2:15)

D) This assembly, showed To Paul, from CHRIST, "IN HEAVEN," has "Associations" with:

(1) The ONE Baptism, "BY" The Holy Spirit, Identifying/Unifying new "members" with The Body Of CHRIST, "Seated In the Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20)

( Ephesians 2:6) ( Ephesians 3:10)

(2) God's Amazing GRACE for our "infirmities, suffering, trouble, and tribulations" ( Romans 5:1-5) ( Romans 8:18) ( Romans 8:26-29) ( 1 Corinthians 10:13) ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4) ( 2 Corinthians 4:17) ( 2 Corinthians 12:9) ( Philippians 3:21)

Thus, "solving the confusion IF signs, wonders, and miracles, FOR US, today"?! Amen?

An Informative/Edifying Biblical article is "The Birthday of the Church" by Ricky Kurth. Enjoy!

Sister Dianne, food for thought:

You commented, God is perfect he cannot produce something not perfect that's where I think in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 the rebellion in heaven could have happened and lucifer came down and screwed things with the other angels that rebelled.

I thought God, through Jesus, created ALL THINGS. Since he created lucifer and lucifer sinned, then lucifer wasn't created perfect. This is what other verses say:

Romans 8:20 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF was made subject to VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ..

Romans 9:21 Hath the potter not power over the clay, or the SAME LUMP to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour.

God' word says he did not make everything perfect in the beginning, BUT he through the REBIRTH of everyone by SPIRIT will make ALL THINGS PERFECT. IN HIS appointed time; eternity has a lot of time.

Maybe Revelations account of Satan falling from heaven represents something different and at another time.

Revelation 1:3 ...for the TIME IS AT HAND

Doesn't seen those words would apply to something that occurred back in Genesis.

Revelation 1:1 ....An SIGNIFIED it ...

Sounds like Revelation represents; through WORD SYMBOLS, things that mean something other than

what a dictionary would define them as.

Matthew 12:38 But if I CAST OUT devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (Christ in you) is come unto you.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven... (maybe heaven SIGNIFIES something)

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT (of heaven)..

Jesus said he cast Satan out of YOU

Revelation said out of heaven. Could heaven SIGNIFY YOU.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (where CHRIST IN YOU, dwells). SIGNIFIED.

Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

Brother Rick: God is ACCOUNTABLE for his CREATION. This is why before the foundations of the world were laid, Christ was predestinated to REDEEM creation.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Romans 9:19 Thou will say unto me, why then doth he yet find fault (why does he say we sin when he is causing everything)? For who has resisted his will (no one has resisted his will, most do not BELIEVE ( Philippians 2:13) he is causing them to do HIS WILL)?

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel of HONOUR and another unto DISHONOUR?

Because creation was made this way ( Romans 8:20) by God, and God is ACCOUNTABLE to his CREATION, he has SENT his SON to REDEEM CREATION.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness OF TIMES he might gather together IN ONE all things IN CHRIST .......

Man says God isn't going to be accountable to creation, but instead condemn them to Hell. God's word says he will be accountable to creation.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father SENT the SON to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

BY DEFINITION you CANNOT be the saviour of the world; without, SAVING THE WORLD.

Sister Dianne:

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU, which was ALSO IN Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God.

Romans 8:7 But the carnal mind is enmity against God .....

1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that we may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Drake Some things to think about your heart for God is evident, 1 John 3:20+21 also Romans 8:28-39 thats in the context of walking by the spirit i.e. Gods word. Nobody is worthy of this, we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ, all sins are paid in full God looks at us as his family. Look at the logic an earthly father when a mistake is made instructs and teaches so that the error gets corrected. Our heavenly Father God gave us everything through Jesus Christ who is our greatest example. In 2 Timothy3:16+17 is the purpose of Gods word verse 17 That the man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good works. The word throughly is not in error its there because we have been made clean by the accomplished work of Jesus Christ. i never think about what I was I endeavor to think about 2 Corinthians 5: 17-21. This is Gods Heart for His Kids us. God Bless

Janie,

Are you a born-again Christian? John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Romans 10:9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Humble yourself before Christ, confess your sins, repent--to wit, determine never to commit those sins again--and believe in your heart that he has saved you. He will give you a new heart and a new life in Him. Ezekiel 36:26 "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."

Once you are born-again, do get baptized by submersion, and I strongly advise you to talk to a pastor or someone who can lead you into the steps of spiritual growth.

Even after we are saved, God doesn't promise everything will run smooth, but He does promise that He will be with us always.

I lost four friends and five family members in a matter of several months. It was a hard pill to swallow and I kept waiting for the next person to die, wondering if I was next.

I don't mean to sound flip, but these things do happen. Bad things happen, people die, it's all due to the fall in the Garden of Eden. And all we can do is pray for comfort, really, knowing that God's will is just, though we may not understand until we get to Heaven. Proverbs 3:5-6 "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

God bless you!

Hi Randy Some things to share with you it applies to any who choose want to believe Gods word. Do you want to be miserable? If you want to be miserable look to yourself look within. Do you want to be discouraged? If you want to be discouraged look around at others. Do you want to be peaceful? Ir you want to be peaceful look to God and His word. All His promises are absolute tense Romans 8:37 you can start atverse 31 37 says nays in all these things we are more than conquerors thru him that loved us. That tells you we all have things to conqueror your not alone. Another point in John 14:27 Peace I leave you my peace I give unto you not as the world giveth give I unto to you let not your heart be troubled neither let it be afraid the word afraid is timid or shrinking. Look at 2 Timothy 1:7 not a bad deal. Too many times Christians are waiting for God to make a move when God is waiting for us. Our brother Jesus Christ was always on the go Preaching teaching and healing. In Genesis 6 God told noah to build a boat and told him why and told Him how you don't read where he said I'll get around to it or whats a boat or I'm not a sailor, or how am I gonna get the animals in. Th bible says in Gen. 6:23 Thus did noah according to all God commanded Him so did he. Think about this in 6:9 the only guy who was just and perfect. He didn't get caught up on his surroundings which at that time were probably pretty messy he acted on Gods word and got delivered. Some things to think about

Mary,

I don't think there's a verse that says those in Christ Jesus. You might be looking for Romans 8:28 which says, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

The word good in this verse is the word AGATHOS which means spiritual good. Human good is Kalos. Spiritual good is Agathos. That makes a big difference because if I'm looking at it religiously, humanly, and on a horizontal physical plain, when it says "all things work together for good," that means in the human, God's going to work things out good for me in the human and in the flesh.

But in this verse, it is the word for spiritual good. Also, notice that it doesn't say all things are good. It says that all things are going to be worked out for the good.

What's good and bad in the human, that's our judgment system. To God, everything is good because He's doing everything. And when we have things "go wrong," in God's vocabulary, that's not even in there. "Lord, things are going wrong." To Him, everything is going right.

We know that all things work together for good, and look at the two descriptions of the people for whom everything is working out for the good. It is to those who love God, and to those who are called according to His purpose.

Why? Because everything's going to work out according to the will of God, so that when I do pray for the Lord's will to be done, I can know because this is a promise right from God that all things work together for the good.

Hi Mary On Colossians 1 Look at Romans 8:28, but the whole chapter is inspirational dynamite God Bless

Gerald,

You are welcome. And yes indeed, Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh, the out beam (APAUGASMA) of God's glory!!!

Hi Dgjot.

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Read Romans 7:23 on through Romans 8:13. with verses 11 thru 13 being the end result.

" But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

We all have an inward battle but that life giving spirit conducts our walk. You may grieve the spirit but our great shepherd will never leave us.

Hebrews 10:14. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

God bless.

Hi Dgjot.

As promised I would like to elaborate a little further on your great questions.

I think we covered your 1st question, "Does that verse apply to the unsaved exclusively, or does it apply to the "saved" (but somewhat backslidden)?

You said you have wished terrible things on wicked people and Quoted I felt this heaviness weighing on me. It would not go away. I was terrified. My waking thoughts were of damnable things. I asked God every day, "What is this? Why do I feel this doom and gloom?" You seem to have a heavy heart behind those thoughts. This sounds like everyday struggle in a Christians life providing he or she is a believer regardless of the severity of the sin. Concerning the struggle it sounds like Paul in Romans 7:23-25. Link

You stated "Why would Jesus keep sticking up for a habitual sinner like me?" I don't know your spiritual condition but from what you have shared I supposed the habitual sin is the damnable thoughts you mentioned earlier.

Dgjot a habitual sinner in my opinion was never a saved person. But I'm not sure you fall in that category.

You mentioned a friend of yours told you to read Romans 8:1. And you read that verse many times. to put it into context for your situation you may have to take it from Romans 7:23-25. thru Romans 8:11.

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"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, ( who walk NOT after the flesh,) but after the Spirit." This is done by the spirit.

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By the death and resurrection of Christ we wasn't just justified we were sanctified and being sanctified and some day be Glorified.

Revelation 21:8 has nothing to do with a believer loosing his salvation.

God bless.

Dianne, Thank you!..I must confess I am a born again believer! I was curious to see what kind of answers would come back. I have been baptized in the only Name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved! God Bless! In Christ, Gerald.

Thank you Jesse, I really just wanted vs 58 of John you did great! the Jews picked up stone because Jesus just proclaimed to them to be God......He was. He robed Himself in the only begotten Son(flesh) and dwelt amongst them. Thanks again in Christ,Gerald,

ChrisE, thank you for responding! My friend I'm a little confused about your summary. You mentioned law/prophets lets begin there. I think it's safe to say that Moses was a prophet to be reckon with(according to old test. and new) that's what drove the Pharisees crazy about Jesus. According to "law" Jesus was behaving like a "mavrick" skirting around it but never breaking it always leaving them arguing among themselves about it. Well Jesus did say Matt. 5;17 I came not to destroy the law but fulfil it. Having said that lets take a look at what the law said about washing or baptizing. God told Moses the prophet in Exodus 30:15-17 that if the priest did NOT wash they were dead men. That was law. But fulfilling that law Jesus ( THE HIGH PRIEST) Hebrews 3:1-5 told John I need you to baptize me...(I'm going to the Altar{Calvary} eventually) and I need to be washed. If we are to be is followers, ambassadors, disciples, Christians or whatever and he(JESUS) was baptized shouldn't we then follow His example? In Christ, Gerald.

Dianne,

Yes, amen! That's what it means to live by faith (PEITHO/Persuasion). We believe because it is His Spirit that persuades us to believe. Without His indwelling Spirit persuading us, we would be no different than those who are perishing, and it would all be foolishness to us ( 1 Corinthians 1:18).

Hi jesse In light of what you shared in Gospel of John 14: 8+9 you would think that after everything they eyewitnessed they got, thank God that they got it at pentecost and made available to us. To think we have never physically seen Him and we believe His word. That's always amazed me.

Gerald, my Precious friend, I'll take your question "2: How should we be baptized?" Better

is to first ask: Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then find out "how."

IF not, then no need to find that out, Correct? Here is my "Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli"priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITHThe Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things ThatDiffer!:

Mystery/GRACE! =our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul WasNot Sent to water baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,Spiritually Identifying members Into The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) MYSTERY/GRACE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONEOR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God'sAnswer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely "Solves" theMany Severely DIVIDED denominations' Confusion!?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Thank you Brother Jesse.

Earl,

I believe all who have experienced a spiritual rebirth are one. We are one body in Christ Jesus. As far as your question goes, I can't say that I believe that.

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Does that verse apply to the unsaved exclusively, or does it apply to the "saved" (but somewhat backslidden)?

I'm thoroughly confused. For years I believed in "once-saved-always-saved" but I don't any more. Neither do I believe that if someone has prayed the "sinners prayer" once, that they are always saved- either.

The verse says the fearful...unbelieving...murderers... shall have their share in the Lake of Fire.

I've never taken a life (murdered) but often I've wished death on the wicked. So much so that for weeks I felt this heaviness weighing on me. It would not go away. I was terrified. My waking thoughts were of damnable things. I asked God every day, "What is this? Why do I feel this doom and gloom?"

God gave me an answer.> In having those wicked thoughts, I caused the Holy Spirit to grieve.

I told a friend of mine what I was feeling and she told me to read Romans 8:1

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

I've read that verse many times. I was a C.I.N.O. (Christian-in-name-only) When I read my Bible, I only read the "feel good" verses. I thought that no matter what I did, Jesus had me covered. Why would Jesus keep sticking up for a habitual sinner like me?

Most of my sins are in my head: I think of doing things that I would never actually do in real life. But, you can't fool the Holy Spirit of God.

Is it too late for me? Am I doomed?

Amen and Amen, Brother Jesse:

In you last paragraph, you quoted Matthew concerning the Father and Jesus being ONE; WE will ALSO be ONE in them (not in the flesh we now suffer in, but when we have departed this flesh).

Do you BELIEVE we will be God in the same way both the Father is God and the Son is God?

I BELIEVE we will; but DIFFERENT GLORIES.