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Chris, how do you or anyone know those over in the middle east are in fact Jews? Because they say so?

Jesus in bible book of Revelation 2:9 says I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews

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pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL. (God's chosen people?)

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

The United Nations in 1948 created that state, not the Lord, and the United Nations is openly satanic.

Their official publisher is Lucis publishing, originally Lucifer Trust.

Repent: The meaning for those with eyes to see and ears to hear:

Acts 3:19 REPENT Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your SINS sins may be blotted out, (change your mind on SIN)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of SINS sins,

Acts 8:22 REPENT Repent therefore of this thy WICKEDNESS wickedness,

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not REPENT repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. ( repent uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness )

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to REPENT repent of her FORNICATION fornication; and she repented not.

(IS FORNICATION A SIN OR A CHANGE OF MIND?)

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit ADULTERY adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT repent of their DEEDS deeds.

Revelation 9:21 Neither REPENTED repented they of their MURDERS murders, nor of their SORCERIES sorceries, nor of their FORNICATION fornication, nor of their THEFTS thefts.

Amen brother, well said! I believe it's the same as it always has been for believers/saints - Jesus gives us the ability to suffer for his name. We cannot do it without his strength and grace. But with Christ we can do and endure all the things that were impossible for us before. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." - Philippians 4:12

Hi Bob this is Ken I agree with you on the first two Commandments these are the Commandments of Christ The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross as you are well aware of by the scriptures Jesus himself said not to put new wine into old wineskins he was referring to the age of Grace the church age in which we are living right now and if repent means to turn from sin then God is a sinner because he repented so many times I can't even count for everyone who wants to know that the Commandments of Christ are 1st John 4:21 and this is the Commandment we have from him that we he who loveth God loves his brother. 1st John 5

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, OUR FAITH......

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 2:11 he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the church is he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. We learn in 1st John 5 that the Overcomer is the one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ or believes is finished work what is his finished work? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them this is the work of God that you believe on him who he sent! And when he was talking to the church. And when he told the church in Revelation to repent he wanted them to come back to his first work ,which was to believe on Christ and go forth with that teaching! what they were doing as we have in this day and age and which you have presented is another gospel in which you mingle works with our faith Works cannot come until we have faith.

Greetings Ken, Agreed we need to believe and depend on HIS WORKS, not our own.

However Jesus said some things to consider

Jesus said in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.

Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Mark 6:12 - And they (12 apostles) went out, and preached that men should repent.

Jesus speaking in Luke 13:3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

and again Luke 13:5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish

Repent of what?

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 2:21 - And I gave her space to repent of her (SIN) fornication; and she repented not.

Rev 2:22 - Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit (SIN) adultery with her into great tribulation,

except they repent of their deeds.

Jesus speaking and telling the BELIEVING CHURCH IN EPHESUS TO REPENT

Revelation 2:1 - Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;

Rev 2:4 - Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Rev 2:5 - Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,

and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Jesus told the believing church to repent...of what?

I believe the way that we behave depends on whether or not we are of this world.

James 2:18-20 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Revelation 20:12 and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

It is Revelation 2:12,13,14,15; John 8:44 & Isaiah 14:13,14,15 at the crux of our story.

Jesus in the bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Just because someone claims to be A "Jew" or a christian for that matter does not make it so.

Paul in 1 Thess 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED? God leads Israel to the land, not the UN.

Thank You so much ... God Bless You!

Maryann, the Scripture you quote has to do with the Revelation given to John for the Church in Smyrna. Even though Smyrna was a real Church, the messages to all the seven Churches are for us today. Church at Ephesus left their first love; etc, etc.( Rev 2 & 3). I'm unsure of the time of their suffering, but through the ages, believers have suffered for their faith at the hands of wicked men. There is a time coming called the Great Tribulation, wherein the Anti-Christ will reign in Jerusalem as God, & all manner of evil will come from him & to those opposing him. From Scripture, we believe that Christians will be removed from the Earth before that time (the Rapture) & will not go through the Tribulation (which is a time of God's Wrath), yet this event doesn't preclude anti-Christian sentiment & actions by the world now. How should we behave? Just as Christ did: show love & forgiveness to all, not retaliate, pray for them & for each other; bear our cross gladly as He bore it for us.

I have a question in these end time's how are we to fight back is it only spiritually or physically .. when martial law comes to take us out our homes are we to fight back ? And are we to forgive them as they hurt us like Jesus did on the cross? things are happening so fast and i feel it's to late for me to learn ? how are we to handle or except it when your being taking away for them to kill God's children? certain things i'm not understanding can be frustrating .. are we to forgive those that are hurting us or wanting to kill us ..

Lucifer ,the angel of light. He makes himself an angel of light. Remembering what the word says about forsaking the assembling of one another. This he is depending on ,not allowing the spirit to have free course . The war is that God is judging the the world and the prince who is in it. Satan will do everything he can to deceive even the elect of God. Your faith will determine his outcome! His time here on earth is numbered, He has no power than what is given from above. Anytime you have opportunity, speak the name of Jesus through your breathing mask! Satan does not know the heart of a believer! We are saints in a very big war! We are members of his army and have all we need in Christ. The angel who is dressed in white shall not prevail. We are all the same in Christ , Jews and gentiles. Overcome evil with good.

Lesley, EVERYTHING in the first 11 chapters is addressed to you on an individual level in the present tense or present perfect tense. In this case Rev. 2:26-28 John the Revelator is talking to YOU Lesley and your own personal "one like unto the Son of Man" who when you overcome will rule your temple - the nations or your body - so that like the yogis had perfect control over their bodies. That is the promise. Sadly since it takes a lot of effort hardly any modern westerner will take the time. This is not for everyone. It is only for a select few who will make the effort.

Good luck Lesley.

therefore - conjunction with verse 4 so this is the answer

Remember...fallen - figurative so not Garden of Eden. This First Love hasn't been done for millennia.

repent - not of sins - START doing this First Love by teaching yourself...

first works - chapters 1-11 of Rev. have the instructions to begin doing first works.

remove candlestick - at the gym you exercise voluntary muscles. John is asking you Christians to exercise the seven spiritual centers in the temple of God - see Rev. 11:1. Once you get good at being "in the spirit" as John was it will be your First Love. The one thing Jesus could not do without as He proved on the cross was not being in communication with the Father. It was His First Love!!

Everyone, good luck.

You desperately need to follow the evidence not guess and by golly. John's "first love" and even Jesus' "first love" was NOT not loving Jesus. Here is a major clue. What was the one thing that Jesus valued more than anything that he actually lost for a few moments while saving us on the cross? That was his first love, John's first love and yours - if you are willing to follow the evidence laid out in the next verse. Good luck.

All 4 of these letters to each of the 4 angels of the 4 churches that are used as symbols have both faults and virtues. In Ephesus as an example the virtue is "patience" while the fault is "left thy first love". The virtues give hope that each of us can reach higher still while the faults mean we still have a ways to go but we must do our best. To discover what our "first love" truly is you need merely decipher the next verse as it contains the conjunction "therefore". Go to the web and google search "first love" and you will obtain 2.5M hits all different without a distinction - you don't love God or Jesus or The Holy Ghost or Salvation or an assurance of heaven, blah, blah, blah. None of those articles uses logic, rhetoric or evidence. All ministers, priests, pastors, clergymen all say the same things using hillbilly logic.

However in verse 5 you have the answer as all of Revelation is written in symbols or figurative speech. Nothing is literal. Nothing.

Paul taught repentance also 2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Jesus Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;

or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,

except thou repent.

Rev 2:16 - Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev 2:21 - And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Rev 3:19 - As many as I [Jesus] love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Very important doctrine

Kristin know that Jesus in Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Read Luke 15 as that will tell you the answer. The prodigal son came to his senses and returned to the Father.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

this has a happy ending

Just because someone claims to be a Jew or Christian does not make it so.
Even Jesus said so in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Many church goers and their pastors are no better.

Revelation 12:5 jesus

In revelation 2 26-28 is this a particular person who will be given power to rule with an iron fist is a saved person, who will he be ruling saved or unsaved and is this during the tribulation.

This seems politics. So wether China did it or not, we are living in the end times.

Few know this but the woman is Israel / Church and she shall flee to the wilderness.
Pre trib rapture believers are not going to be happy.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Betty - Yes the tree is a real physical tree that will exist in heaven. Remember this was the of life that existed in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 3:22-24 When Adam and Eve sinned, God had to ensure they did not eat of the tree in their sinful state, otherwise sin would have existed forever, so he drove Adam and Eve out of the garden and sent a Cherubim with a flaming sword to guard it. It now resides in heaven, so whoever makes it to heaven will live forever, and have a right to the tree of life. Rev 22:14.

Betty. Jesus is the Tree Of Life.

We must understand that all that is transpiring today has been prophesied. It does not matter who is in office, they too would be fulfilling prophecy. In Matthew chapter 24, Jesus tells you of the things that must happen before the world ends. Revelations unfolds Matthew 24 and identifies the participating parties (Symbolically). Who will be saved? Eccl 12:13 tells us what the duty of man is. Rev 14:6-10 "The Three Angels Message" Informs us what to do, what will happen and why it's happening. Rev 14:12 identifies the saved. Your salvation depends on who you choose to worship, the God(Jehovah) of heaven or of this world(Satan). James 4:4 The 4th Commandment will be the deciding factor!!!

I agree, and I am studying the book of Revelation. I listen to it sometimes falling asleep. So, can you see how this country has quickly spiraled downwards and out of control, mainly due to the evil choices the present political party has levied on mankind kind. There is no GOD, IN WHAT THEY DO. However, lies in everything they say. Do we have a modern day Pharaoh running this country? Is it stubbornness that ties people to this way of seeing these people are right

Does this tree represent a physical tree that we will eat from? So will there be real trees in heaven?

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Corona virus could be a pestilence because it has world wide coverage. You can do a word search on the word 'pestilence' in this app. Then you can read every scripture about it. then pray. Sit quietly and wait for the answers.