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In reference to verse 10, actually how long is ten days?
Literal or does each day represent months or years?
You are correct; when God purposes something, it's good as done.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who WILL HAVE (God's WILL; will be done)( Matthew 6:10) ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come to the KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour (in the WORKS OF GOD; not our work)( Colossians 1:29) and suffer reproach, because we trust ( Ezekiel 36:27) in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those who believe ( Philippians 1:29)
1 Timothy 4:11 There things COMMAND and TEACH.
God IS NOT searching for those who want to SERVE HIM; because if it were up to flesh, NO ONE would serve him. He has already CHOSEN US ( Ephesians 1:11); he is BRINGING US TO THAT TRUTH ( Ezekiel 36:27).
Flesh WILL NOT serve GOD; it is enmity to SPIRIT ( Romans 8:7) .
God has CHOSEN (through casting the die; if you will)( Ezekiel 20:37) a select FEW to be KINGS and PRIEST ( Revelation 5:10) with HIM in his kingdom.
Those, CHOSEN TO BECOME the IMAGE of GOD ( Romans 8:29)( Ephesians 4:24), will become judges with Christ' at the resurrection of the dead, back to their flesh ( 1 Corinthians 6:2)( Revelation 2:26-27). They (the dead) will be THEN brought to TRUTH.
Isaiah 29:9 For when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
None of this is a reproof to you, my brother in Christ, I am just ADDING to your comments.
God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply, To "know you're going to heaven":
(1) God 'Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship' With those who humbly:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The Scriptures! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9) ( Romans 3-5)
"GRACE Through faith" 'Alone,' In The Merits Of HIS Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:
All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God! {This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!} ETERNAL 'Justification' First, And, THEN:
(2) The believer SHOULD do "good works" {Which will NEVER EQUAL CHRIST's PAYMENT For the above PENALTY of sin!}, for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for HIM, ( Ephesians 2:10), having "been Called into fellowship With HIM!" ( 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:
We "work out 'OUR OWN' salvation" {This SHOULD Be a lifetime of DELIVERANCE From the POWER of sin!} This is OUR 'Personal' sanctification, and Must not be confused with the above "Justification Which ONLY God Can 'Perform!'" Notice the JUDGMENT DAY, Showing
These DIFFERENCES! ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15):
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: {'personal' sanctification}...
...but he himself Shall Be SAVED {God's JUSTIFICATION}; yet so as by fire.
Yes, 'fooling ourselves' is By "Mixing these TWO" Up saying they are both FOR ETERNAL Life, thus NULLIFYING "The ALL-Sufficient BLOOD" Of The Saviour, JESUS CHRIST! Amen?
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
I hope all are healthy. I am interested in serving others and doing God's will on this blessed Sabbath Day!
So I will continue to address the current popular christian belief of Faith/Grace and Nothing else. I will share some scripture below that affirms that Jesus will judge us according to our works.
Revelation 2:23
"And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
Revelation 22:12
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
James 2:19-24
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
God gives us the choice to believe and accept this scripture and act on it, or ignore it. It is our choice. It's might be easy to fool ourselves, but we can't fool God!
God Bless.
Good observation. Dan and Ephraim is omitted from witnessing in Revelation, However Dan goes into the Millennium kingdom, And so does Ephraim.
I believe they lost their Witness but not Brotherhood for lack of better terms.
Appearance in the Millennium-
Ezekiel 47:22. And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:23. And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 48:1-2. Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazar-enan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for DAN.
And by the border of DAN, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Asher.
Ezekiel 48:5. And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.
God bless.
Those were the words of Jacob to Dan concerning The Last Days _ Genesis 49:1and Jacob called unto his sons, and said, gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
Isn't it possible and most likely that it is through the tribe of Dan that the Antichrist of the Beast shall arise from?
What Jacob said to Dan is almost the same exact words God said to the serpent in Eden after the fall of Adam - plus directly calling him a serpent.
The Tribe of Dan was lost in idolatry and was rebellious, if my understanding is correct, refuse the land God allotted him, wiped out a people and took their land.
If my belief is correct, all the original 12 Tribes of Israel will be present in the last day - one in the fallen state.
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun-all sons or grandsons of Jacob.
The Book of Joshua records that the tribes of Reuben, Gad and half of Manasseh were allocated land by Moses on the eastern side of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea ( Joshua 13:15-23). ... By 900 BC, some of the territory and Reuben and Gad had been captured by the Moabite kingdom.
The Levites do not get an inheritance of land; rather, they are scattered among the other tribes through the allocation of cities among the other tribes.
You're going to have to google reputable websites; even Jewish ones.
Ephraim and Dan may have been omitted in Revelation 7 is because they was the first to go into Idolatry and they Lost their Witness.
Deuteronomy 29:18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or (TRIBE,) whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Judges 18:30. And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.
However just speculation.
God bless.
You are welcome. As for why Dan is not listed as one of the 12 tribes, I don't know the answer to that. I'm not even sure the Bible tells us why. I did read something about it somewhere but I can't remember where or what it even said. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on the reason for the omission. That is a great question. You have me wondering myself!
Also, do you know why the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000? It names all the other tribes including the 2 tribes of Joseph, but not Dan. In reading the Old Testament, I see many reasons why Ephraim could have been omitted, but have not found why Dan. Ephraim is not specifically named but is referred to as 'of the tribe of Joseph'.
As to the Carla Bartow to whom you refer, I don't know of any. My Dad was the youngest of 13 children and was 20 some years younger than the oldest. Several had large families, most of which were in the western Nebraska area. We moved to Missouri when I was 2 and because in the 40's and 50's money was short, we did not visit them. There were also members of my grandfather's family in Pennsylvania and Oklahoma, but we never met them.
Again, thank you very much for your help.
The word Nicolaitan is actually made up of two Greek words. The first word is pronounced "Nee-kay" which is the Greek word that means to overcome. It is actually spelled like the sneaker with the swoosh mark on it. I can't spell it out because this site will reject it as advertisement. The second Greek word is LAOS which means the people.
So the word Nicolaitan represented the democratic control of the people in the church, where the leaders ruled and lorded it over the flock. And the Lord says He hates that. Jesus Christ is still the head over the church, not the church leaders, or so called Nicolaitans. God speaks to His people in the church and in the congregations, and those in ministry positions need to be sensitive and humbled to that fact.
In the church, we are all equal. No one should lord and rule over us because Christ is our Lord. If God wanted me to be a leader, it would not be because I am more special than any other believer. He might call me to that particular function, but that doesn't mean that once I start functioning in that area, that I know the Lord better than anyone else.
Many churches over the years have fallen because the leaders took human control over the church, and these leaders themselves were not governed by God's Spirit. So church leaders are not there to rule and lord over God's people. The human democracy over God's people, God says He hates! That's who the Nicolaitans are!
If I may ask, I have a friend Carla Bartow (Patterson) who has a sister named Carol Bartow. Would that be you?
I concur with what you have said, except the black man's plight does matter and is worth seeking discovery.
We're split concerning the real Jews of Judah, who wandered and lost their identity, and the false Jews of Khazaria. The Khazar's are Ashkenazi Jews of Japheth ( Genesis 10:2-3), from a 740 AD mass conversion. They are not Semitic, and they live in the tents of Shem. They are European, not of middle-eastern origin. They are WHITE, not olive, and have blond hair and blue eyes!!! The Jerusalem post had a huge write up on it years ago verifying their DNA as European. The current supplanters of Israel are in fact Khazars. Jesus called them the synagogue of satan, ( Revelation 2:9) and they behave just like their wicked partner, America.
The MORE these verses become TRUTH to you, the more understanding you will receive from God's word.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (SPIRIT) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL (Spirit causes his will to be your will) and do HIS good pleasure.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in Christ) we ALSO have obtained an INHERITANCE (to become Son's of God; exactly like Christ the FIRSTBORN, I am the first (Son) and the last (Son), being predesinated according to the PURPOSE of HIM (Spirit) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the COUNCEL OF HIS WILL.
We are the POT; HE (Spirit) (Life) (Truth) is causing you (all mankind) TO WILL and TO DO what has been purposed; to create you exactly like the SEED (THE WORD) that was PLANTED IN YOU.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (all creation) WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.
Romans 8:21 For the creature (all creation) ITSELF shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the LIBERTY of the Sons of God.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this world), and keepeth MY WORKS (we are the pot, he is the potter) until the end, to him (the overcomer) will I give POWER over the nations.
Revelation 2:27 And he (the overcomer) shall rule the nations (because you are exactly like Christ, able to judge in righteousness) with a rod of iron; as vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. ( Psalms 2:8-9)
Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy JUDGES as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning, afterwards (after the world is judged) thou shalt be called, The city or righteousness, the faithful city.
Isaiah 26:9 ...when thy JUDGEMENTS (resurrection to judgement) are in the earth, the world will LEARN righteousness.
Proverbs 16:5 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is PURGED ....
The first part of your post I understand and agree, but the sentence that has "habitual sin, so called Christian, overlook the dislike and hate between what supposed to be brethren". Then "3 topics that generate this division".
Do you suggest these three topics creates the so-called Christians or non-Christian? I'm sorry if I don't follow, do you mean, who does not agree with you on these three points or four are so-called Christians or non-Christian and create division?
Can you honestly say you have studied these points; or have you over the years you have accepted them as the truth because that was what you have been taught? Do you test the spirits? Jesus spoke of this in Revelation about the Nicolaitans, that He hated ( Revelation 2:15).
Paul warned ( Colossians 2:8) ( 1 Timothy 4:7). This was the beginning of the dominating Roman Church, made up of Greek philosophers, mythology, and Platonic teaching. Have we gone so far from the simplicity of Christ? Have we put man made doctrines above what scripture says for salvation?
Last question; this is an honest question, do we have to believe in the trinity doctrine as written that is said to be a mystery but now is the basis of Christianity to be saved, has this doctrine replaced the chief corner stone which is Jesus Christ?
If we are dead set on what scripture means, our ears will be closed to the Holy Spirit. You can reply or not, but that is ok, I had to ask, this out of love, if I disagree does not mean I hate.
RLW
I think of the condemnation by our Lord in Revelation 2:6,14,15 of the Nicolaitans, from whom these "ungodly men" may well have arisen or at least from under their tutorship. As these men (in Jude), so also were the Nicolaitans, who made mockery of the Grace of God revealed in His Gospel. Believing that marriage was not binding on Christians as it was a human invention, this gave rise to all manner of unnatural unrestrained sexual behaviour. And with the Love & Mercy of God to all men being the foundation of the Gospel, they, without fear of punishment for their sins, literally turned & perverted God's Grace into lasciviousness. And with swelling convincing words, many were led astray, fulfilling fleshly desires & becoming ensnared by Satan. Having done despite to God's Grace, the Holy Character of the Lord God & His Son were so marred & distorted, that it could be well said of them, that they 'denied the Lord & His Christ'. And don't these words allude to the Gnostic teaching at that time, which refuted the belief that deity could unite with flesh? These men spoken of in Jude came in many disguises to believers everywhere, even today, tools of Satan, to weaken & destroy the Body of Christ & the yet the sure promise from Matthew 16:18, is that even "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".
Thank you for those thoughts brother, on this passage.
Where do we find these good works (specified) ?
I will give you what I picked up from 2 separate studies. Nicolaitans is 2 Greek words combined that means rule the people. It's where you see those who were in the Church in the clergy would rule over the people.
Writing to Ephesus
In Revelation 2:6 The Lord had issue the deeds of the Nicolaitans.
Revelation 2:6. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
By the time we come to Pergamos those deeds became doctrine.
Revelation 2:15. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Note: I have no knowledge of Greek.
do your research.
God bless.
I think of it this way: if God did put a stop to these things, then they would only be temporary, since every man, woman & child is born a sinner ( Romans 3:23), & because of our sinful condition, all these things come upon us. When Adam & Eve were created, they were sinless, enjoying God's Presence continually, no sickness, in harmony with animal life around them, & would never see death. But once they disobeyed God & sinned, they lost all that perfection, & they had to hide from God (Genesis chapters 2 & 3).
And ever since, their sinful nature & death was passed upon all of us ( Romans 5:12) & the proof is the way we behave before God & our fellow-man even now. Even the one who murders another is no different to the one who has hate in his heart, according to Jesus ( Matthew 5:21,22). Or the man who cheats on his wife is the same as the one who cheats on his taxes. So all these evil traits that we might have in us are a result of indwelling sin. Yes, God can stop us from doing those evil acts, but evil will always be with us & in our hearts - and this is unacceptable before God.
What God has done, was to give us a new heart & a new spirit so that we won't do those things that come from within ( Matthew 15:19). If our heart is clean & right before God, we won't do evil & hurt one another and that was why He sent His Son to this Earth to give His Life. Jesus paid the price for our sin, which we couldn't pay, & made us acceptable before God & a clean vessel to be used by Him. So in God's Sight, stopping the murder of someone doesn't fix the problem of murder: murder will always happen, whether against someone or in our hearts. The solution to stop them is that they be changed on the inside. But most people refuse His salvation & so evil will continue with so much suffering.
Could but , notice that the people were not satisfied or convince. They asked me if there is a god why is there
So much suffering and pain , why does he permit killings, rapes , and sickness, pain around the world.
They asked if is true God exist why doesn't he stops all this evil.
Thank you
Sounds like the Pastors were combining parts of scripture to make a point that every one will have different rewards, some more than others. Some lights will shine brighter than others. Maybe they were considering lights as clothing.
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
God bless,
RLW
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
And they that are with him are called-chosen-faithful, it will take every word not just what we prefer.
Christian's must see that we constantly live in the grip of chaos and tyranny? They are the first to say that we live in the end-times, but are too oversold to fully realize what that means. God despises this nation. Isaiah 14:9 cometh:a spot has been reserved for America at the sixth trumpet, the second woe. Revelation 18 awaits.
How many "WATCHMEN" have put God before country? Who has heard what the prophets said about Mystery Babylon, and the merchants of Babylon Proper, sitting across the pond? The answer is very few with the proud saying, "I live in the greatest country ever, and God wouldn't destroy His people". Read it for yourself, God destroys His backsliding people. The house of Israel has become Mystery Babylon, while the house of Judah has become converts of Japheth, Revelation 2:9
The people know no better than support and defend this bully in the name of patriotism. The iron and clay will show no mercy in the hour of thy visitation. When they fan the land, the stubble will defiantly wonder what they possibly did wrong to deserve desolation. On that day, and in that hour, I will die happy knowing that America's NWO was "taken" in their attempt to rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years.
What does "caught up" mean? The original language uses the word HARPADZO which means to be snatched away by force. What is your understanding?
Yes, it will be by force certainly. Revelation 11:v.15 to 18:
15 ... The kingdoms of THIS WORLD (the Devil's world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
...
18 - AND THE NATIONS WERE (WILL BE) ANGRY, and thy wrath is come(GOD's WRATH IS COME), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou(GOD) should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 2:v.25 to 29:
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Be careful and get ready
P.S.
Joshua 5:v.13-14
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come.
There will be War against the world of Devil, in fact it has already started.
Get ready
Some get obsessed with a view whether eschatology or what ever it may be and they shape their whole theology around that view!
instead of letting the scripture say what it say.
Naturally they get resistance and spend a lifetime in scripture promoting their views and never attempt to bring people to the Lord.
Some are playing a role in the falling away.
I revelation chapters 1,2,and 3 we see the Lord judging the Church He don't only rebuke those who practice are hold to certain deeds are doctrine but we also see he's against those who suffer them to do so!!
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE VERSE.
Revelation 2:20. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, ""BECAUSE THOU SUFFERETH" THAT WOMAN JEZEBEL, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
He's not condemning all of them for committing fornication and sacrificing unto idols. He's condemning those who stand by and suffer those to teach and seduce his servants to do it!! " NO correction and not resistance to the errors. ( They suffer the false teachings)
There is a little of all seven Churches in every Era and those letters is written to everyone in every Era.
God divides eternity into different AGES. God CAUSES certain things to happen in those AGES.
In the Previous AGE; the AGE of THE LAW and Prophets. God caused THE ONES HE APPOINTED to leave a written record of the AGE TO FOLLOW.
It was written that in the AGE TO COME God would APPOINT (call out) a FEW to be PRIEST in his KINGDOM.
This is what we see now. Most want be called now; BUT there are more AGES to come. Christ and his priest will judge the world and the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
God has a PLAN:
ALL WILL OBEY AND WORSHIP GOD.
Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall rule in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgement.
Psalms 94:15 But judgement shall TURN INTO RIGHTEOUSNESS ....
Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is PURGED ...
Psalms 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
Psalms 22:29 And they that be fat upon the earth shall eat and worship (first resurrection): and they that go down to the dust (second resurrection) SHALL BOW BEFORE HIM: and none can keep alive his own soul.
Psalms 22:30 A seed (priest) shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation (age).
Psalms 22:31 They (priest) shall come (at the second resurrection), and shall declare his righteousness to a people (at the second resurrection) that SHALL BE BORN (AGAIN) that he hath done this.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
This is what the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is about.
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Luke 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.