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  • Adam - 2 years ago
    John 1:1

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

    Who is the Word?

    John 1:14-15 says the Word is Jesus. Does anyone deny that the Word is Jesus?

    If someone believes John 1:14, then do they believe John 1:1

    "...the Word was God."

    "...[Jesus] was God."

    JESUS.

    WAS.

    GOD.

    John 1:1

    This is God's Word.

    Some here are saying "Jesus was NOT God" despite John 1:1 clearly saying Jesus WAS God. I'd like to know exactly how someone can believe in all other verses of the Bible except this one? If something WAS something, that seems to offer little room for interpretation. It means it's the same, does it not? So, if something WAS something, how does someone twist this into believing it says something WAS NOT something?

    It then must be asked: since it takes so much effort to take a sentence something WAS something to turn it into: something WAS NOT something, what is the true underlying motive here? Does God's Word carry the most weight and influence or does something else?

    This is eerily similar to Gen 3:4 where satan denied what God said and claimed that they shall NOT surely die. Satan loves opposites and this seems to have his signature, does it not?

    I welcome any perspective I'm missing, but do not consider anything other Bible verses as valid evidence. God's Word is all that matters and because there's already numerous verses supporting that Jesus is God like John 1:1 then that is what is true. Lastly, why not just pray and ask God directly to know the truth? Genuinely ask!

    1 John 5:7-8

    John 10:30

    John 8:19

    Genesis 1:26

    Genesis 11:6-7

    (plural "us")

    Philippians 2:5-8

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    John 1:3

    Matthew 28:19

    1 Peter 1:2

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    John 14:10

    John 20:28

    1 John 2:22-24

    Matthew 1:23-25

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    Isaiah 7:14

    Hebrews 1:8

    Isaiah 44:6

    Isaiah 43:11
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Doug,

    This is an interesting logical argument. I find that in 1 Peter 3:22. Let's assume for argument's sake that your conclusion is correct and you get 1 point for this.

    But for every verse you cite, there are even more that say that Jesus IS God, like John 1:1 saying the "Word was God" and verse 14 that Jesus is the Word.

    This could continue to play out and you can cite any number of verses to support your position, but again we don't run out of very compelling verses saying that Jesus is God.

    Let's say that it's a dead even race. 30 verses suggesting Jesus isn't vs 30 verses suggesting He is.

    Then what? Which do you choose to believe?

    I don't know if you've gone through this exercise or not, but I now have a spoiler: someone will run out of verses supporting that Jesus "isn't" God long before the verses supporting He IS God. Not only that, but each of the verses commonly cited to claim that Jesus "isn't" God require some extra creative interpretation and human logic whereas the verses supporting the other side can be read and interpreted more literally. Not only that, but there's logical explanations for why Jesus called His Father God. The main reason is that He temporarily became a human being and limited His power. Phil 2:6-7. So, yes, as a man, He prayed to His Father and called Him God. So, all verses must be considered as a whole, not cherry picked in order to have understanding about the Godhead and I admit it is hard to comprehend as we don't have anything like it in on earth. But perhaps like an orange with seeds, pulp, skin. Someone calls pulp an orange, and it is.

    1 John 5:7-8

    John 10:30

    John 8:19

    Genesis 1:26

    , Genesis 11:6-7 (plural "us")

    Philippians 2:5-8

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    John 1:3

    Matthew 28:19

    1 Peter 1:2

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    John 14:10

    John 20:28

    1 John 2:22-24

    Matthew 1:23-25

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    Isaiah 7:14

    Hebrews 1:8

    Isaiah 44:6

    Isaiah 43:11
  • LElliott882 - 2 years ago
    In answer to the question of Matthew 28:19....

    Matthew when he wrote this, was writing the commandment from the Lord to be baptized. (In water - to be immersed).

    In Acts 2:38, Peter was obeying this commandment by giving the prescription for salvation - "Repent and be baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.......and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"......This promise is to you, your children and them that are afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call...."

    Matthew was there when Peter gave this proclamation as were the other disciples. Peter knew that the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was indeed the Lord Jesus Christ. (Father Son and Holy Ghost are the titles of the one true God - Jesus - God manifested in the flesh.

    Acts 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

    Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

    After this, Phillip also obeyed the commission given by Peter, who interpreted what Matthew said.

    And this is I a significant command to be baptized by Paul...

    And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

    2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

    3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

    4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

    5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

    6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

    7And all the men were about twelve.

    Amen.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    LaNette M. Tolliver

    Please read : John 11:1-53,

    Luke 16:19-31, someone I believe it was "Chris" in previous discussion multiple months ago, pointed out most Parables, if not all were without name, but this one, perhaps being about Lazarus.

    John 12:1-18,

    The sisters have much also mentioned it appears : Luke 10:38-42,

    Matthew 27:56,61, Matthew 28:1, Mark 15:40,47, Mark 16:1,9, Luke 8:2, Luke 24:10, John 19:25, John 20:1-18,

    Possibly even: Romans 16:6,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Tracy,

    The Truth is always found in the bible scripture.

    Paul wasn't the first one, nor the only one who preached the Gospel to the Gentiles. According to Acts, Peter was the first to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles. Peter received a vision from the Lord and received a command to preach to the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius the gentile. The Gentiles were filled with the Holy Spirit and were baptized.

    Also, I agree with sister GiGi the scripture teaches us that Paul teaches the same gospel as Jesus. Here are some additional Bible verses telling us that the "Gospel of The Kingdom of God" which is Jesus Christ's Gospel, was preached to the entire world.

    Mark 16:15

    "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

    Mark 13:10

    "And the gospel must first be published among all nations."

    Matthew 28:19

    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

    Acts 1:8

    "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

    Revelation 14:6

    "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

    Happy Sabbath Day, and God Bless!
  • David on James 5:14 - 2 years ago
    We are continued to be reminded that our minds are corrupted with the flesh and of the world. We kill the just both mentally, physically and spiritually. Though the world seems to be in charge, the BIBLE tells us to

    v8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

    v9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

    The LORD is at hand, HIS righteousness and perfect judgement will not be stopped or corrupted for the LORD is very pitiful, and of tender mercy v11. I believe that although we are asking for the LORD to come now as we go through our current national woes; our hearts will grieve when we stand as witnesses of the lost coming to stand before the LORD at the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT and we see the final sentence being carried out. We have the remedy for all the maladies before us. Though we cannot make the lost, and hardened heart to accept the salvation of CHRIST, we have a job as ambassadors of the kingdom to do carry out the commandment we were all given to do. Matthew 28: 18-20.

    The devil has blinded the eyes of many ( 2 Corinthians 4: 3-6). Let us therefore go forward and pull out as many as we can out of the fire Jude 20-25.

    GOD bless the saints that we be strong in the LORD and in the power of HIS might.

    July 16, 2022 Pray of our nation's leaders and for the peace of Jerusalem.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 28 - 2 years ago
    Hi Brain,

    Not sure why Matthew Henry chose to go there using 2 Cor. 4:6, when the angel was the one whose countenance was like lightning. Matthew Henry commented it is often mentioned in the New Testament, as the day which Christians religiously observed in solemn assemblies, to the honor of Christ. This can be debated there are as many mentioning they met on the Sabbath because they did not have bibles like we have today and the only way to hear the scriptures was in the temple or synagogues on the Sabbath. We also see in scriptures they met every day of the week Acts 2:46-47.

    What is not talked about very much, Jesus rose on the day of the Feast of Firstfruits. That is the first day after the Sabbath after Passover which is the first day of the week. Jesus is the Firstfruits of those who slept, 1 Cor. 15:20. It is also the first day counting each day of the 7 Sabbaths that brings us to the second harvest we call Pentecost that means 50 that is 7 Sabbaths plus 1 day.

    The Jewish day starts at sundown at ends at sundown so in Matthew 28:1 Mark 16:2 Luke 24:1 and John 20:1 when the sun went down on the Sabbath it was the first day of the week. The women headed to the tomb with the spices to anoint Jesus and the sun was just about to come up except for Mary Magdalene, she was the first to go and it was still dark, John 20:1 but it was the first day of the week.

    Romans 14 should help, if you will study all four accounts of this day it will shine light on many things. As Jesus told the woman at the well John 4:24-25.

    Someone said, we are not called to go to church we are called to be the church and that is every day.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • David - In Reply on Matthew 28 - 2 years ago
    Brian I invite you to look at Collosians 2:16-23 the reason being Christ fulfilled the law and opened the age ofm Grace Pentecost

    which is the day and time we live in. for us believers everyday is the sabbath, we are complete in Christ. The proof of this is

    which day was the sabbath in the garden of eden. The answer is it did not exist until exodus when the law was given. remember

    the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. Our walk now is the law of love, accomplished by walking in Christ

    summed up in Mathew 22:37-40. Some things to consider.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 20 - 2 years ago
    Hi Suze, John 1:1 tells us that Jesus is God and other verses say He created all things.

    Verses of Jesus accepting worship:

    John 20:28

    Matthew 28:8-9

    Mark 16:1

    Matthew 2:11

    Matthew 21:9

    John 12:13

    We are also to obey Jesus:

    John 8:31

    John 14:15

    John 14:21-24

    John 15:10-14

    1 John 2:3
  • Suze - In Reply on Matthew 28 - 2 years ago
    Hi Brian , I don't read commentaries , when you first start reading the Bible , I think it's best to just read it yourself , several times and then once you feel that you have some understanding maybe that would be a good time to read a commentary , so that it adds to your understanding , for me , you have to have some understanding before looking into other people's ideas and beliefs , that's just my thoughts . Everything you need to know is in there , as long as you are patient and persistent you will be able to put the pieces together for yourself I'm sure . For me , a commentary is an aide to enhance your understanding , hopefully smiley face , at worst it could just confuse you . God meant His Word to be understood , ask Him to help you , keep your heart and mind open and you will be fine .
  • Brian on Matthew 28 - 2 years ago
    Matthew Henry's commentary for Matthew 28 says, "On the first day of the first week God commanded the light to shine out of darkness. (On this day did He who is the Light of the world, shine out of the darkness of the grave;) and this day is from henceforward often mentioned in the New Testament, as the day which Christians religiously observed in solemn assemblies, to the honour of Christ."

    I struggle with this commentary as it seems clear that Jesus rose from the grave on the weekly Sabbath. All four gospels reveal this. So, it's unsettling that most Christendom worships on a day, built on misinformation and that seems dedicated to the Sun and Sun-god worship.

    N.B. I'm not advocating returning to the Law (especially the Satanic Noahide Laws) but since we live under Grace, why don't we celebrate the day of Creation & the Resurrection on the real day?
  • Steve Schoenberger - In Reply on Matthew 28:1 - 2 years ago
    Great question.

    The vast majority of Christianity will agree that we are to follow Jesus' earthly ministry as you ask.

    Then they will go on to pick and choose what things to follow.

    How do you think we got so many denominations today?

    Jesus said clearly he was only sent to Israel during his earthly ministry. ( Matt 10, Matt 15)

    Hardly anyone in Christianity believes this.

    The things you listed were directly to Israel, to whom he was ministering. (Compare Rom 15:8 and Rom 15:16)

    These things must be rightly divided.

    Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles after Israel rejected their Messiah.

    This is because Israel was supposed to be a light to the Gentiles as seen in the OT.

    The things you listed cannot save us today.

    Salvation today is by grace through faith in the finished work of the cross, not works.

    Paul is our Apostle and Paul reveals the good news of the cross.

    Gods purpose for Israel is separate and distinct from the purpose he has for the body of Christ.

    Today Christianity has basically all moved to the allegorical interpretation of the Bible.

    The kingdom Jesus came to set up is Israel's earthly kingdom just like the OT teaches.

    Christianity has stolen this from Israel and spiritualized it to "Jesus ruling in our hearts"

    Learn to read your Bible literally and all these questions go away.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Peter 1 - 2 years ago
    No Martha, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one & self-same Spirit. We understand this because of the Deity of the Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit is a vital Person within the Godhead, or Trinity), & by the procession of the Spirit (i.e. the Spirit proceeding from both the Father & the Son, without any change or division in God's Nature).

    a. the Spirit's Deity.

    Proven by His Names (Equality: 1 Corinthians 6:11; Doing the Work of God: Romans 8:15; John 14:16).

    Proven by His Characteristics (All-knowing: 1 Corinthians 2:10,11; Everywhere: Psalm 139:7; All-powerful: Genesis 1:2; Truth: 1 John 5:6; Holiness: Luke 11:13; Life: Romans 8:2; Wisdom: Isaiah 40:13).

    Proven by His Works (In creation: Genesis 1:2; Inspiration: 2 Peter 1:21; Begetting Christ: Luke 1:35; Convincing men: John 16:8; Regenerating: John 3:5,6; Comforting: John 14:16; Interceding: Romans 8:26,27; Sanctifying: 2 Thessalonians 2:13).

    Proven by His equality with the Father & Son ( Acts 5:3,4; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).

    b. the Spirit's Procession.

    Proceeded from the Father ( John 15:26).

    Proceeded from the Son ( Galatians 4:6; Romans 8:9; John 16:7).

    So, I hope you can see that the Holy Spirit, whether spoken of God or of Jesus, is the same Spirit, for He is one with the Father & the Son. Then when we come to 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit", again the one & same Holy Spirit is seen here, but we now see His special work where His coming into our lives, affects our spirits and baptizes us (brings us into union) with the whole family of God (into one Body, i.e. of Christ).
  • Josef - In Reply on Matthew 28:1 - 2 years ago
    James2:20

    "But will thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
  • Alex N - In Reply on Matthew 28:1 - 2 years ago
    Josef....God bless you for Posting all those things,...But none those things cd save mankind....Absolutely none OF THE WORKS OF the Flesh CAN SAVE US but a New CREATURE...By his mercy His blood ....Not by works of Righteousness which we have done but by the Regeneration of the H.G... Titus 3 : 5 KJV...The washing of regeneration, the renewing of the H.G.....An Israel of God....That Great Promise of multiplication n regeneration of Christ Jesus is the only way there can be an Israel of God.

    .....For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision NOR uncircumcision availeth any thing ( nothing ) but a New Creature....Which is the Gift of the H.G. that New Creature... Gal 6: 15 Kjv....Not by Works or No Works...But only by the Blood of the Lamb he saved us.

    .....Josef....We should still do all those things...but the only thing that plzs GOD is a NEW CREATURE...Which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE....That we have to birth via his good seed the living word....Jesus commanded them to be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...Even by his Words....Our new heart and a new spirit is the only thing that plzs God..The H.G....She brought forth a man Child that was caught up to God and to his throne....And this Child will RULE all nations ....The Child is that New Creature....New to us but old to God....They will bring forth things out of their treasure ( our hearts ) things New and old...

    .....Jesus said unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The Child is the H.G. our New Creature..ok gbu
  • Suze - In Reply on Matthew 28:1 - 3 years ago
    Amen to that Josef .
  • Josef on Matthew 28:1 - 3 years ago
    "Teaching them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you."

    If you believe Jesus is God then aren't whatever He commanded his Disciples to do be things that we also should do? Baptize, repent, turn the other cheek, love each other, do good, be the salt and light of the world, feed the poor, care for the sick, widows and orphans, visit those in prison, shelter the homeless, clothe the naked, give freely to those that need, expect no repayment, be careful that you don't strive after money and the things of this world, live humbly, share, be generous, pray, be careful how you judge, to name some.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Psalms 24:1, ._.The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell there in"

    the Lord meaning.. Yhvh = translated, The proper name of GOD of Israel = Eternal 2. Jehovah 'Jewish name'

    Earth = earth, land, nations, wilderness, world,

    Exodus 9:29,

    1Corinthians 10:26 "For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.'' the Lord's meaning 1. Supreme in authority, 2. Controller 3. supremacy, master,

    Chris gave you great scripture but I want to point to the bigger more complete picture.

    Ephesians 6:12, world = aion translated = an age, 1Corinthians 2:6, 1Corinthians 1:20,

    John 15:19, meaning translated = kosmos= orderly arrangement, 2. The world including it's inhabitants, John 3:15-17, 1Corinthians 7:31,

    John 1:10, 1John 2:16, Proverbs 29:2,

    1John 5:4, John 16:33, 1Corinthians 15:24-28, John 17, 1John 3:10-16, John 9:5, 1Corinthians 6:2, Genesis 1:28, Luke 22:25-30, Matthew 10:8, Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 9:1-2, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:15-19

    2Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21, Ephesians 6:10-18

    Hopefully these are helpful in deeper understanding, you can also pray for wisdom, James 1:5,
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Some teach that based on interpretation of; Isaiah 42:7, 1Peter 3:18-19, Ecclesiastes 4:14-16, Psalms 142:7, Isaiah 53:7-12, Revelation 1:17-18, Matthew 12:38-45, Luke 11:29-32, Ephesians 4:8-10, Psalms 86:13, Acts 2:27,31, Psalms 16:10, but none of these are clearly stated nor defined so. Jonah 2:2,

    Luke 16:22-31,

    I guess my question is why?

    Jesus has all authority: Luke 12:5, Luke 9:1, Mark 1:27, 1Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 28:18, Job 26:6, Psalms 139, Revelation 1:18,

    Revelation 20, 2Peter 2:4,

    Let's not divide over these issues, James 3:6,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Baptism is a big deal to God. Such a big deal, a person was sent in advance of Jesus specifically to baptize people to prepare for Jesus. It was a big deal to Jesus that He was baptized Himself, and invited those around Him to be baptized. It's such a big deal it even says in the Bible to be baptized. It's written in the form of a command. It is a conditional statement. Do this, and this is the result. Whether someone likes it or not salvation is mentioned in the same sentence in Acts 2:38 for example. Also read: Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21, John 3:5, Galatians 3:26-27, Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 2:41.

    Just as people were resistant to follow Jesus in His day, we have people who read the above verses and dismiss them as important or "unnecessary." Man tries so hard to perform mental gymnastics to avoid doing something God wants us to do. He comes up with all these creative interpretations of cherry picked verses claiming that when it says to be baptized, it doesn't actually mean it, or is symbolic, or no longer applies, or [fill in the blank].

    What it comes down to is do you believe the Bible verses above or not? Do want to follow Jesus or not?

    Is there a risk of being baptized? No.

    Is there a risk of not being baptized? Yes.

    How is this not an easy decision?

    Bible clearly says to be baptized, but why is someone who wants to follow Jesus so adamant about not doing it? Physically you're wet for a couple minutes, then you dry off. Similar to what most people normally do daily anyway. So, the hesitancy probably isn't because of that. What else would motivate people to try so hard to disobey Jesus then? Embarrassment? Many do it publicly, but you can also do it privately. What else makes people so desperate to disobey Jesus then? Something inside them is resisting. Maybe searching ones heart and motives and praying and study of the scriptures might help reveal ones real motives behind this.
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Bro Giannis,

    One of the Main Events in the bible. Jesus is baptized and receives the Holy Spirit and it pleases God! If this isn't a learning teachable event for us - nothing is! Jesus provided us with his examples to follow, hence as Christ followers we should be striving to follow Him.

    Matthew 3:16

    "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

    Jesus shows us how it is done, and if He does it, and instructs everyone to do it, where do we improve our standing with God - if we ignore His command?

    Jesus commands the diciples to baptize believers.

    Matthew 28:19

    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

    If the apostles would have ignored Jesus command to baptize would this have been good for them? If all of the apostles, including Paul believed that baptism was required, why should we believe any different than they?

    Peter tells us that when we repent, and submit to baptism we receive the Holy Spirit.

    Acts 2:38

    "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

    So, Jesus/God tells us in so much scripture, that when we believe, repent, and get baptized - we are forgiven of our sins, and we receive the Holy Spirit!

    The above scripture is so easy to understand, even a child can understand the need to follow God's instructions regarding this issue.

    GBU
  • Psalm 110 Benson Commentary - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 3 years ago
    Benson Commentary

    Psalm 110:1. The Lord said unto my Lord, Jehovah ladoni, the saying, or decree, that is, I record the saying or decree of Jehohovah to my Lord, that is, to his Son the Messiah, whom I acknowledge as my Lord and God. This decree, made in eternity, was in due time published, and was actually executed when God raised up Christ from the dead, and brought him into his heavenly mansion. David designedly calls the Messiah his Lord, to admonish the whole church, that although he was his Song of Solomon according to the human nature, yet he had a higher nature, and was also his Lord, as being by nature God blessed for ever, and consequently Lord of all things, as he is called Acts 10:36; and by office, as he was God man, the Lord and King of the whole church, and of all the world, for the church's sake. And this was said to prevent that offence which the Holy Ghost foresaw the Jews and others would be ready to take at the meanness of Christ's appearance in the flesh. The Hebrew word adon, is one of God's titles, signifying his power and authority over all things, and therefore is most fitly given to the Messiah, to whom God had delegated all his power in the universe, > Matthew 28:18. Sit thou at my right hand - Thou who hast for so many years been veiled with infirm and mortal flesh, despised, rejected, and trampled upon by men, and persecuted unto death; do thou now take to thyself thy great and just power. Thou hast done thy work upon earth, now take thy rest, and the possession of that sovereign kingdom and glory, which by right belongs to thee; do thou rule with me, with an authority and honour far above all creatures, in earth or heaven. So this phrase is expounded in other places: see Luke 22:69; 1 Corinthians 15:25; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12-13; Ephesians 1:20

    See BibleHubDOTcom
  • GiGi again - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello, Steven, thanks for your response to me. I don't think I have ever said that water baptism is a requirement for salvation.

    I have said that we are required to obey the commands of Jesus, since He commands us to do so in several instances. And He did command the disciples to baptize new believers and I believe that this means water baptism. I will never say that as a matter of course that the church should not practice water baptism any longer because we are "spirit baptized" when we accept Jesus, as you said. Jesus never taught that, and the apostles never taught that idea in the way you stated it. So, I think we agree that water baptism does not save a person and is not required for salvation to occur. But I think we disagree about whether Jesus was talking about water baptism or Spirit baptism in the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18.

    It's o.k. with me to agree to disagree concerning this matter. I am glad that this forum allows believers to speak their views and to wrestle with topics that come up concerning the will of God.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Gigi.

    Part 3.

    John said I baptize with water he who is coming after me shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

    Now, Is Jesus still baptizing with the Holy Ghost? Yes. He does that through the preaching of the gospel and you receiving the message through open eyes and a blood tipped ear. This call goes out to jew and Gentiles, Before the crucifixion Christ was gathering the lost sheep of Israel, The king was in their midst and the kingdom was at hand, John the baptist came to pronounce that. Did Jesus ask the Disciples to baptize the lost sheep of Israel or anyone else BEFORE they crucified him, No. His Death had to bring on a new covenant. The circumcision of the heart. No more a commandment, IT'S NOW A CONDITION. Hebrews 8:6-11. He now put his law in man's heart. "Circumcision of the heart"

    and only the baptism of the Holyspirit can do that. In Acts 2:38 the jews was asked to repent, this was very new to them.

    Again, this was all Israel.

    see Acts 2:36.

    Now, everyone taught didn't believe, were they baptized? No, You had to believe. see Acts 8:35-37.

    "Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

    And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; WHAT DOTH HINDER ME TO BE BAPTIZED?

    And Philip said, IF THOU BELIEVEST WITH ALL THINE HEART, THOU MAYEST. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    Note:

    1 Corinthians 12:13.

    Ephesians 4:4-5.

    We're put into the body by that 1 baptism and that's the baptism John the baptist referred Israel to. The Holy Ghost.

    Matthew 28:18-19. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.

    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    Do you notice no ask of repentance?

    This is beyond Jerusalem. This power is of Jesus, His baptism.

    God bless.
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Texsis,

    Did Jesus tell us to be baptized ? Yes he did.

    Matthew 28:19

    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

    Jesus and all of His Apostles, including Paul were baptized (in water), and they followed Jesus commands and baptized others in water.

    Easy to understand, but leave it to man to confound himself!

    God bless
  • Giannis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Texsis

    Having in mind scripture like the following:

    1 Peter 3:21

    "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

    Mark 16:16

    "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

    Matthew 28:19

    '"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

    Acts 2:38

    "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

    Acts 2:41

    "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

    Matthew 3:13-15

    "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

    But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

    And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."

    If Jesus had to be baptized John's baptism to "fulfill all righteousness" and John had to step back to allow that, what about us been baptized the christian baptism to fulfill God's righteousness? Baptism is not symbolic, it is essential for fulfilling God's righteousness, essential for our salvation.

    GBU
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 4 - 3 years ago
    The lack of Baptism submersion, doesn't appear to be an unpardonable sin.

    Let's address why wouldn't someone want to be Baptized? Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:2-7, Romans 6:3-13,

    Is it fear that keeps one from baptism? 1John 4:18, trust? Psalms 56:11, that person may possibly be about to ask another gentle close friend in the Body of Christ to be the person submersing with people of close relation in there nearby or helping, while the Church leader prays or recites scripture. I've seen many believers like youth outreach baptize with Pastor helping. Depending on the fellowship. Matthew 28:18-20,

    If the reason is medical, or because of very difficult situation. Luke 23:38-46,

    Matthew 10:33, 2Timothy 2:12, Matthew 16:24, Matthew 3:13-17,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 3 years ago
    Casting out demons,

    Jesus gave instruction, I'm not aware of scripture in the Psalms specified for that. But David who is accredited as author of many of the Psalms written in the Bible, was able to have an evil spirit leave Saul, by playing music. 1Samuel 16, however this seems different, because note: 1Samuel 16:14, 1Samuel 15, note 1Samuel 15:23,

    Please read & study these:

    Mark 1:34,39, Mark 3:14-15, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20, Mark 16:9, Matthew 8:16, Luke 4:14, Luke 8:2, Matthew 28:18-20,

    Jude 1:2-10, note: Jude 1:9, Acts 19:13-17, Matthew 12:39-45, Luke 11:14-26,

    Mark 6:7-13, Luke 9:49-50,

    Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:17,

    Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,

    James 1:2-7, Luke 11:1-13,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • Giannis - In Reply on Acts 2 - 3 years ago
    Matthew 28:19-29

    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
  • Giannis - In Reply on Matthew 28 - 3 years ago
    In my opinion dear Robin, nobody can get rid of bad habits/passions/sins unless God frees him. i.e. just think of a guy who is a drug addict who believes in Jesus sometime in his life. How is he going to get freed from his passion? On his own? Is that possible? Of course not. Nomatter how hard he tries he will never succeed. He needs God's strentgh/grace to do that. The same happens with all habits/passions/sins.

    Apostle Paul in Romans 8:13 makes a very significant statement.

    "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live"

    What does he mean with "deeds of body"? The answer is in Galatians 5:19-21

    "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

    Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

    Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, AND SUCH LIKE: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God"

    The above works of flesh/deeds of body are what we call bad habits/passions/sins. Is smoking or any other addiction mentioned? They are all included in "THE SUCH LIKE"

    So what do you need to get freed? The answer is the Holly Spirit. It is sometimes impossible for men to "mortify the deeds of the body". This what God's Spirit does.

    So go to the Lord and ask Him to free you, ask for His strength, His grace, His Spirit to work in/on you. But when you go to God you have to make sure that you really want to get freed, you have to be honest with the Lord, and sincere about it. Will God answer back? He will definitely do that. I have seen so many examples in my life, people that get freed from smoking, drugs, alcohol, adultery, fornification, gambling...anything that has enslaved them. So go to God.

    And a verse especially for you:

    John 8:36 "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."

    GBU


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