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I think the scriptures discussed here are probably Hebrews 6:4-6, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Hebrews 10:26, Matthew 5:13 suggesting that in some cases Christians can't return to the faith once they leave and denounce it. Maybe some of this could be referring to blasphemy of the holy ghost? Matthew 12:31-32.

But James 5:20 suggests that you can return to the faith, as well as the prodigal son story. The forgiving 7x70 story sounds like a huge amount of forgiveness is allotted to us, as long as we forgive others: Matthew 18:35.

What do you think?

Jesse,

Lots of feed-back, much appreciated.

First of all you are correct; you never said that the word teknon does not mean "child."

You actually said that the word kalos does not mean child, and again, you are correct.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

As far as the topic of repentance, I would refer to the definitions of the two Greek words offered previously, as they are both defined as "repent."

You bring up some interesting ideas about Judas being sorry but not repenting, , but I fully believe the words of Matthew 27:3 to be literal and true on face value; that is, Judas "repented himself."

Concerning Acts 1:18, again, I have never heard of anyone that can commit suicide by cutting themselves open from their Adam's apple to their belly button. That is one tough person. You say that it is possible. I disagree. You do provide interesting theories as well as historical basis to show how this may have happened.

I will offer another. The high priest (appointed by the Roman governor) that falsely accused Jesus likely did not want Judas to remain alive after he threw the money back at them and looked like he was sorry for what he did: So they murdered Judas also.

Your understanding of the unpardonable sin is thought provoking.

I never quite looked at it in that light but can definitely see how it applies throughout one's lifetime in a general way.

I would have to again lean on the Scripture already provided in Matthew 12:32, as well as Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10.

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Jesse,

You state,

"Just one more thing kind sir,

I am not too sure that I can say with certainty that Judas did not commit the unpardonable sin. There is nothing in scripture that would have me to believe that Judas ever surrendered His life to Christ or that he was a true follower. Sure, Christ chose him as one of the 12. But Judas was evil. I believe Christ chose an evil man to fulfill the prophecy saying He would be betrayed. Jesus chose an evil man to fulfill that role and Judas was that man.

What is your understanding of the unpardonable sin?

Look at Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Luke 12:10.

Are you sure enough with your newly acquired understanding of a few Greek words to claim that, as you state, "Judas never surrendered his life to Jesus" and that Judas was "never a true follower"?

I have never met someone that is pure evil, have you? Even Satan at one time was good, even "perfect" ( Ezekiel 28:12-15).

So kind sir, please do not get too upset when you are challenged on Scriptural matters. I was not trying to offend, just understand.

Just one more thing my friend: Forgiveness is based on being SORRY for what you did and try to make amends (30 pieces of silver). God is the Judge. Ephesians 4:32.

What do you think they wanted to speak to him about?

Mark Matthews, Day Christ Died.

Right on! Just as Johah said; "Three days AND three nights" Jonah 1:17.

Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.

Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)

Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)

Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.

Look at Matthew 12:40.

Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.

The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.

The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.

Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.

The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.

Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.

The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.

The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.

GOD is talking in Matthew 12:39-40 read it please. Jonah 1:17 read it please?There is no way any one could claim he was in the Grave on Friday?72 hours is still 72 hours!GOD said Himself to everyone in the Belly of the Earth 3 days and 3 Nights.Okay GOD Can't lie ever.Or the Cross is worthless for us.Plus Mary came at 5-6 Am on Sunday to Grave and GOD is Risen.Okay great.It is proven already true.So go back 72 Hours?What day is it?6-9 at night.Then 72 hours to Sunday say 1 minute into it.Say 4:39 4:49 Am.Go back 72 hours?Okay what day is it?It sure isn't Friday.Remember GOD can't Lie! Matthew 12:39,40 GOD talking! Do you believe GOD or Man???Wednesday Night 6-9 Pm.Plus Remember there was Two Sabbaths that week of the Cross.Apparently forgot to look it up and Study the truth?The Truth will set us all Free! Who is Truth? GOD= Lord Jesus Christ!

Herman Dcouto,

Jesus died on what we call Wednesday just before sundown.

Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown = 1 day (first night and day in the tomb)

Thursday sundown to Friday sundown = 1 day (second night and day in the tomb)

Friday sundown to Saturday sundown = 1 day (third night and day in the tomb)

Mary came to the sepulchre at daybreak Sunday.

Look at Matthew 12:40.

Jesus rose at some time between Saturday sundown and Sunday morning.

The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast (Passover), and is considered a high holy Sabbath day.

The first day of the Feast was a Thursday (15th day of Nisan- April 3/4). The 15th day of Nisan commenced at sunset on what we would still call the 14th.

Jesus was crucified on the 14th, the "preparation day" ( John 19:31), and by law the crucified bodies should not remain on the cross on a Sabbath day. Jesus was put in the tomb before sunset on Wednesday the 14th.

The "first day of the week" ( Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1-), the day of the Resurrection, was from our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.

Jesus was to be the Lamb slain, and His crucifixion took place on the "preparation day" ( John 19:14) when all lambs were slaughtered for the great Passover Feast the NEXT day.

The Last Supper DID NOT take place on the day of Passover, look at Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, John 19:31-42.

The "third day" of Matthew 16:21 is not the third day of the great Feast, but the third day of our Lord and Savior being in the tomb.

The Hebrew calendar used at the time of Jesus counted a full day from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight.

The Hebrew 24 hour period of time is broken up into two 12 hour segments. The first segment is from 6 pm until 6 am. The second segment is from 6 am until 6 pm.

The "third hour" of the day in Mark 15:25 when Christ was crucified is 9 am

The "ninth hour" when He gave up the ghost is 3 pm.

Chris:

a. The Sabbath was given to man Mark 2:27 at creation Genesis 2:2-3 it's not a day that God required just for the Israelite's to keep, which is why the 4th commandment starts with "remember" it is because the children of Israel had forgotten through hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt.

b. Jesus came to this world not to destroy the law and the prophets Matt. 5:17, The law (10 commandments) says to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

The breaking of bread in Acts 20:7 is referring to eating (food) (see Acts 20:11)

1 Cor. 16:2 the "first day of the week" Paul is referring to putting aside your offerings (collection for the saints) starting on the first day of the week (Sunday) (see 1 Cor.16:1)

Revelation 1:10 John was in vision on the sabbath (Lord's day is the sabbath, For the son of man is Lord, even of the sabbath day. (see Matthew 12:8)

c. What was nailed to the cross was the "ceremonial laws" not the 10 commandments. In (Matt.27:51) the veil of the temple was rent in two when Jesus died on the cross, the ceremonial laws that God had required since sin came into the world (sacrificing animals ect) was no longer needed because the ultimate sacrifice had just been made and that was the shedding of blood of a sinless Jesus on the cross.

Matthew 5:18 One jot or one tittle shall not wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the gates of the city.

(Bob: I asked God to make it rain if Pretrib was truth, and guess what? It's raining!)

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. ---- NOTHING CAN BE ADDED

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

It was the Pharisees trying to catch Jesus in some kind of sin. Jesus used the situation to show the Pharisees (people who hit others on the head with rules), that they were unmerciful.

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And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

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And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day, that which is not lawful?

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And Jesus said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?

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How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

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And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

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Therefore the Son of man IS LORD also of the sabbath.

In Matthew 12:2 It appears Jesus broke the commandment to honor the Sabbath, is this true or is this symbolic for something?

Hi Charnelle, the answer is yes, you can share the gospel and bring someone to God. Please read Acts 2:38-42.

Hi Lisa, please read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 7

Okay thank you

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. satanism is considered sorcery.

Where in the Bible it says that whoever is doing voodoo witchcraft communing with the dead telepathy Satan worshippers will have to automatically go to hell?

You need to speak to your Pastor, your pastors wife; or a Christian counsellor if you seek privacy.

I've been divorced 36 years. Born again 35 years. I have no desire to be married again. Divorce seriously harms children emotionally; which should be held uppermost in our Mind; before diving into another marriage. I speak from experience.

Scripture says do not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever. A pony and a Clydesdale horse cannot pull a wagon out of the barn. Did your husband know you are a Christian? Did he allow you to go to church?

This why you would do well to speak to your pastor/ Counselor; before telling kids anything.

I pray the Lord would show you what to do.

Read 1 Corinthians chapter 7

Can I share the gospel and bring someone to God?? Is there a bible verse about this?

my question is about divorce and remarriage. My husband left after 23 years of marriage. Shortly after I was remarried to someone who said he was a Christian but isn't. I broke up with him 3 times because of it, but kept going back to him because I felt so bad. Now I'm unequally yoked and feel as though I've co.mitted a sin that I can't be forgiven of. My life is miserable, full of anxiety and fear. Its causing a lot of problems to the point I want out of this marriage. Please help.

I am not sure of the one you said who claimed to be a prophet is indeed a prophet, that I don't know nor do I dare to say anything on what I don't know for you should not go against the Lord's anointed and nor should we speak any idle words, for that is what God is going to judge of for according to Matthew 12:36.

HOWEVER, that being said, the person is not wrong at all as one can lose their salvation. I am sorry for those who have lied to you saying otherwise by picking and choosing (usually from brother Paul-it's as if they follow him rather than Jesus), but in taking in what Jesus says and the Bible as a whole, you certainly can. I would recommend in reading all of (1-3) John ( 1 John 3:8-9, 1 John 1:6, ! John 3:6 specifically), Hebrews (Hebrew 10:26 specifically), and the Book of James regarding the point, but we can look at one simple parable from Jesus at the end of Matthew 18 ( Matthew 18:23-35 specifically) completely dismantling the false and utter lie from the devil OSAS doctrine. For we see a man who have sinned, was cleansed, forgiven, and saved and, then after this he sins again and is taken by the tormentors (hell). We also got Romans 11:22 (The same Paul these Calvinistic OSAS guys like to quote from), "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be [cut off.]" Couldn't be clearer.

These people, are liars from the flesh, not getting their the truth from the Bible or the Holy Spirit but from either their flesh or men of the flesh learning from other men of the flesh. God Bless you, brother. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead and Guide you, there are liars in many places, including here as you can see above (excluding Mishael). Blessings! ;)

What the woman above said could be truth.

Evil men prosper when good men do nothing. Probably hoping someone else will do something. Is this herd mentality?

If God shook the earth, then so can we in our prayer life; specifically spiritual warfare life. Prayers move heaven into action.

Jesus says to pray for our enemies.

Matthew 12:44 and Romans 12:14

I explored this principal and found it to be true! I worked in a company that was full of people stepping over people to claw their way to the top. They got promoted, but I had years of pleasant work days without all the meanness and stress.

The sermon on the mount is full of working principals.

When you became born again, baptized by the Holy Spirit; the demons are kicked out of you. Your house (inside of you) is swept,

Garnished.

You're supposed to follow Jesus as other disciples did: read the Bible, attend church or bible study; pray the Lord's Prayer, maybe read some spiritual warfare books; :) listen to " kingdom in the streets" CD by Dion.

These are garnishments for your spiritual house: Your body, your mind

Matthew 12:43-45. When you got saved, the demons got sent away. They study you for weaknesses (like they did to Eve in the garden). What you are experiencing is spiritual warfare. They're trying to get back in their old house... your body.

Go back and do the things you did when you first got saved. Go to 1 John 8-9, and 1 John 2:1, as often as you need to.

Satan accuses us to the Father, Jesus stands up as the Advocate (attorney for you), He finds your name recorded in his book, and declares you not guilty for lack of evidence (because He paid for your sins on the Cross).

Your faith in this will stop "them" from returning anymore.

SAKEEYA: it's gonna be scary but you will make it if you hold onto Jesus with all your strength: physical, mental and emotional. Demons don't like to lose one.

I was an astrologer. I had a supernatural salvation experience. After I received Jesus, I was delivered on the spot, by the Holy Spirit. It was only with His help that I survived. First day I just knew to clear anything that was an idol out of my house. I burned expensive books; drugs, alcohol, clothing, lots more. All that was in the house was me and a 15lb KJ Bible. You have to read your Bible: it will save your life. If demons threaten you, scare you, lie to you, choke you, hold your eyelids down..do not freak out. Stay calm and plead the blood of Jesus: 'I am covered with the Blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth'. Sex demons will frighten you. They're invisible but you know they're in the house.

I almost died with pneumonia because I had quit sleeping for weeks. The Holy Spirit gave me strength to get out of bed and go buy 2 books: one on angels and one on demons. I was able to sleep that night. You gotta fight hell with the WORD OF GOD. Plead the BLOOD!

Go underline in your Bible, Matthew 12:44

It will get you through this. Go to church no matter how alien you feel. That's a demon too. You belong to God and they hate Gods people. Your old friends will come by to take you out sinning. Invite them to go to church with you. Ask the Holy Spirit to bring New Christian friends into your life. He'll do it too. Now: ask God to set Angels on all 4 corners of your house to keep the demons out. Start reading a whole Book of the New Testament in your Bible every day. Demons don't want you to do that. They'll make the phone ring, bad news friends come over. You have to be strong for Jesus and tell them you got saved. You have to let them go till you get stronger in Jesus. Give all that bad stuff you did and receive Jesus's strength to RESIST the devil. He must flee!! PRAY out the hurts of your heart.

Matthew 12:36

How does that pan out if you are typing erroneous comments? Just curious...

Hello Marie,

Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Tradition - not scripture - puts Him crucified on a Friday.

Also know that He was crucified on a high sabbath - John 19:31 - so Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday during the day. Therefore He was in the grave Wednesday night (1st night), Thursday day (1st day), Thursday night (2nd night), Friday day (2nd day), Friday night (3rd night), Saturday (3rd day) and He from the grave after the third day. You are right that a new day begins a 6PM. We are not sure the exact time of the day that Jesus arose but it was after the third day and third night of being in the grave.

Matthew 12:36. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give an account thereof in the day of Judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou Shalt be condemned.

Not everyone would see it that way. God bless. Matthew 12:36-37

It might be a good time to mention what is the UNFORGIVABLE sin?
Scriptures>>Mark: 28-29, Luke 12:10 and Matthew 12:31-32
BLASPHEMY against the HOLY SPIRIT

How does this happen?
Rejecting salvation repeatedly from Jesus. Your heart hardens like a rock.

The Bible says blasphemy against the holy ghost is unforgivable. Matthew 12:31-32 and Luke 12:10. Presumably everything else can be forgivable, even killing, as that's that Paul did, for example.

in a word YES Jesus went to Abraham's bosom recorded in Luke 16. Before Jesus all the old testament saints went there. On the other side were the wicked who rejected the Lord.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. what was Jesus doing there? preaching the gospel
1 Peter Chapter 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
fallen angels have no offer of salvation Hebrews 2:16