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We are told to be looking for him! Lamps full of oil. It's a wedding, and then the Feast. It's not the 2nd coming.
Jesus's feet do not touch the earth at the time of the Caught Up In The Clouds event (some people call it Rapture).
Use the SEARCH Box when you enter this website. Type in 'Caught up in the Clouds' and you will see ALL scriptures that describe this Timing.
Jesus is not going to wait and collect his Bride AFTER the Tribulation. She will be feasting in heaven.
Other scripture says that the next time Jesus's FEET touch on EARTH, will be at the Mount of Olives, at the 2nd Coming.
Tip: quit reading drugstore Rapture books. All you need is the Bible;
And a really fast search engine like this website has. Use it.
Mishael
Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.
A.
So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?
1 Corinthians 14:21-22
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
B.
As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:
Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".
Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).
Acts 9: 17, 18,
Paul, called Saul then, who wrote a lot of the new testament, recieved the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 14:18:
Paul mentions he thanks God he speaks with tongues more than you all!
Paul wrote chapters 12, 13, and 14 about spiritual gifts, the proper use of speaking in unknown/other tongues.
Acts 10,
a man name Cornelius, a gentile, a devout man of God, who prayed always to God, had not yet known of or recieved the Holy Ghost.
Peter was sent to him and his household by the Lord, he preached to them the Gospel, and the Holy Ghost fell on Cornelius household, all gentiles! The bible says because they heard(visual sign and sound)them speak with tongues and magnify God! Then they were baptised! Acts 10: 44 - 48.
Acts 19: 1 - 7:
Paul came to disciples of John, asking them if they had recieved the Holy Ghost SINCE THEY BELIEVED! They said they never heard of the Holy Ghost! Paul laid hands on them, when the Holy Ghost fell on them, they spake with tongues(Visual sign/sound). They were baptized in water.
In conclusion:
Mark 16: 17,
Isaiah 28: 11, 12,
John 3: 5 - 8,
Jesus spoke of a new birth to enter the Kingdom of God; a Water and Spirit birth/called the Holy Ghost.
He said there would be a visible sign;
like wind you cannot see, but there is a SOUND.
In his Name believers would speak with new tongues.
Isaiah prophesied this would be the rest/refreshing for the people.
In the book of Acts this is fullfilled consistently when the Holy Ghost was poured out!
God's Spirit in you: the rest/refreshing, a visual sign of his presence in you, speaking from your heart out of your human mouth a new heavenly language, pure, beautiful and Holy!
God gave visual signs throughout the bible of his presence.
God chose speaking tongues as a visual sign when you recieve the Holy Ghost!
Jesus said out of the abundance of your heart, the mouth speaks. Matthew 12:34.
When God gives you his Spirit, he puts it in your heart; Galations 4: 6.
So what is in your heart comes out of your mouth.
Jesus said:
Mark 16:17:
Believers will speak with new tongues.
Isaiah 28: 11, 12,
prophecied it is the rest/power, to cause the weary to rest; refreshing.
John 3: 5 - 7:
Jesus spoke about a new spiritual birth you will recieve when you are born again. Then he added: John 3: 8:
The WIND bloweth where it listeth, and thou HEAREST the SOUND thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is EVERYONE that is born of the Spirit.
Who did he say?
EVERYONE!
This scripture is fullfilled in Jerusalem in the upper room, the Holy Ghost was first poured out: Acts 2: 1 - 4:
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a SOUND from heaven as of a rushing mighty WIND and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven TONGUES like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Here you see that SOUND from heaven as a rushing mighty WIND is Holy Ghost/speaking with other tongues!
Acts 2: 33:
Peter told the jews which were speaking in another tongue/language, this is the promise of the Holy Ghost that they now SEE(VISUAL SIGN), and HEAR(YOU WILL HEAR A SOUND.)
Acts 2: 16 - 19.
Peter told the jews the prophet Joel spoke about it.
Acts 8: 14 - 20:
Simon the sorcerer saw when Peter and John laid hands on jews, he SAW POWER(THE VISUAL SIGN) when they recieved the Holy Ghost, and offered money for it!
Acts 9: 17, 18,
Paul, called Saul then, who wrote a
From the very beginning in the bible, water separates or divides from something: Genesis 1: 6, 7.
When God set apart people for himself, he used water to separate you from something to bring you into something else.
In the old testament, Moses and the priest had to wash with water to be sanctified for service.
Want to show how many scriptures(not all) are showing how important baptism is!
Ezekiel 36: 24 - 27:
God takes the unclean, sprinkles clean water on them, and they shall be clean. Puts his Spirit in them and calls them his people!
New Testament:
John the Baptist baptized with water, also baptized Jesus that the scriptures would be fullfilled:
Matthew 3: 11, 16.
John 1: 26 - 33.
Luke 3: 16, 21.
Matthew 28:19:
Teach all nations to baptize in Jesus name.
Mark 16:16:
He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Luke 24: 47 - 49:
Beginning at Jerusalem, repentance and water baptism(remission of sins) preached in Jesus name among all nations.
John 3: 5 - 7:
Jesus taught you must be born again of water(baptism) and Spirit.
John 13:10:
Jesus washed his disciple's feet with water, calling them clean.
John 19:34:
Jesus dead on the cross; soldier pierced his side, out came BLOOD and WATER.
Note:
1 John 5: 6, 8:
Jesus came by WATER and BLOOD.
There are 3 that bear witness in the earth: Spirit, water, and blood. These 3 agree in one.
One what? - One new birth.
Continued next text.
Acts 2:38:
Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.
Note:
2: 41:
3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.
Acts 8: 36 - 39:
Philip baptized eunuch in water.
Acts 9:18:
Apostle Paul is baptized.
Acts 10: 47, 48:
Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.
Acts 18: 8:
Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.
Acts 19: 1 - 6:
Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Continue to water baptism part 2.
Baptized in water for remission of sins to be saved. Jews first, then gentiles.
Note:
2: 41:
3000 souls were baptized to be obedient.
Acts 8: 36 - 39:
Philip baptized eunuch in water.
Acts 9:18:
Apostle Paul is baptized.
Acts 10: 47, 48:
Peter baptized Cornelius and his family.
Acts 18: 8:
Chief ruler of synagogue believed on the Lord(many with him) got baptized.
Acts 19: 1 - 6:
Paul baptized certain disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 22: 16:
Paul defense/testamony on trial telling the people; that he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Romans 6: 3, 4:
Paul says those that are saved have been baptized/buried in the name of Jesus.
Ephesians 5:26:
Christ sanctify and cleanse His church with the washing of WATER by the word.
Colossians 2: 11, 12:
The circumcision of Christ takes place in water baptism.
Hebrews 9: 19, 20:
When Moses read the law to all the people, he took blood, water, hyssop, and sprinkled them with it, signifying God have enjoined them.
Hebrews 10: 22:
Our bodies are washed with pure water.
1 Peter 3: 20, 21:
In the days of Noah, 8 souls were saved by water. The like figure even BAPTISM ALSO NOW SAVES US.
In conclusion, water is used to separate you from sin/cut off the flesh to bring you into new covenant with Christ, the NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT!
From the very beginning in the bible, water separates or divides from something: Genesis 1: 6, 7.
When God set apart people for himself, he used water to separate you from something to bring you into something else.
In the old testament, Moses and the priest had to wash with water to be sanctified for service.
Want to show how many scriptures(not all) are showing how important baptism is!
Ezekiel 36: 24 - 27:
God takes the unclean, sprinkles clean water on them, and they shall be clean. Puts his Spirit in them and calls them his people!
New Testament:
John the Baptist baptized with water, also baptized Jesus that the scriptures would be fullfilled:
Matthew 3: 11, 16.
John 1: 26 - 33.
Luke 3: 16, 21.
Matthew 28:19:
Teach all nations to baptize in Jesus name.
Mark 16:16:
He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Luke 24: 47 - 49:
Beginning at Jerusalem, repentance and water baptism(remission of sins) preached in Jesus name among all nations.
John 3: 5 - 7:
Jesus taught you must be born again of water(baptism) and Spirit.
John 13:10:
Jesus washed his disciple's feet with water, calling them clean.
John 19:34:
Jesus dead on the cross; soldier pierced his side, out came BLOOD and WATER.
Note:
1 John 5: 6, 8:
Jesus came by WATER and BLOOD.
There are 3 that bear witness in the earth: Spirit, water, and blood. These 3 agree in one.
One what? - One new birth.
Continued next text.
You have to take into account that Jesus was crucified before the "high sabbath" (feast of Unleavened bread), which was separate from the weekly sabbath (Friday at sundown through Saturday at sundown).
JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK = Wednesday ( Daniel 9:27).
The Roman soldiers had to remove His dead body from the cross at sundown, Wednesday, by Jewish law.
Jesus was resurrected Saturday at sundown, at the end of the weekly sabbath, beginning Sunday (Sunday is the 1st day of the week).
Listen to this: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils." Mark 16:9
Here are a couple links to the verses I think you are seeking:
Matthew 28:18-20
( Mark 16:14-20
( John 16
( John 20:21-22
Hope that helps. God Bless.
368 The Triumphs of Christ Psalm 24
1 Triumph of the Prophesied-Ascent to the Hill of the Lord on earth Ps.24:3-6
His triumphal entry into Jerusalem and to the Temple on Mount Zion Zech.9:9; Matt.21:5-12
2 Triumph of the Crucified-Ascension into Heaven as Conqueror Ps.24:7,8
'Mighty in battle' Mark 16:19; Col.2:15
3 Triumph of the Glorified-Entry with His people as Lord of hosts Ps.24:9,10; John 14:3
I know that the 'Tongues' issue has severely divided believers, but we all need to take a fresh & good look at the Scriptures on this issue & not depend on what we're taught from the pulpit.
See Mark 16:14-19.
See Luke 24:44-51 and Acts 1:3-8. Seems that Doctor Luke might have run out of scroll writing his Gospel and continued his account at the beginning of The Acts of The Apostles. Acts1:9-11 continues with The Ascension.
John recorded nothing related to this event.
So I'd assume that all these things were said by Jesus and that they saw Jesus ascend to The Father. "But some doubted." Matt 28:17.
Clearly, Iesus says here very clearly, those who say they are Iews, but are not. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this? Iesus came for his sheepe no? But says, some of you are not real Iews. When a canaanite woman came to Iesus for healing, he said, DOGS ARE NOT WORTHY OF MY SHEEPS CRUMBS. Right there, he called them DOGS. He also says that there is no difference between the Greek, and the Iew. Well we all know that the original Greeks in those days were ARYANS... Get a clue
I did the search for you brother:
Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69
Psalms 110:1
Mark 16:19
Acts 2:33
Acts 7:55-56
Romans 8:34
Ephesians 1:20
Colossians 3:1
Hebrews 1:3
Hebrews 8:1
Hebrews 10:12
Hebrews 12:2
( 1 Peter 3:22
When Jesus spoke those words in Mark 16:16, He spoke of the future salvation experience of those who come to Him via the Cross. If we want to associate water baptism as a requirement for salvation, two problems occur:
1. any act, even baptism, cannot contribute to a salvation by faith, or else salvation doesn't come through faith alone but with a fusion of both. So the person who says he believes & is then told that he has to be baptised to be saved, is immediately made to believe that an extra requirement is necessary to effect salvation. Then the question: what else am I required to do? Am I truly a Christian - supposing I've neglected to do something else? Jesus was simply stating that salvation requires belief (faith) only - baptism then as a natural immediate response. "But he that does not believe is damned": could we have a person who has been baptised & yet not truly 'believing'? Sure can. I know of a few, baptised, evidently spoke in 'tongues', etc. & now having rejected the Lord - no saving faith - no salvation, in spite of baptism & more.
2. what happens when one cannot be baptized: whether due to old age, serious illness, insufficient time between saving faith & baptism (i.e death has occurred), teaching of the Church or even a great passing of time from first believing. If baptism as well is necessary for salvation, then none of the above would have any hope of forgiveness & eternal life and could there be many living full victorious Christian lives who have never been baptised & are actually deceived & lost?
Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:
Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.
1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Perspective Helps Us Understand God
Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;
So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?
To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.
I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.
Anyone gets on and does not sit down will still go to Houston!!
Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God ( 2 Corinthians 5:20). you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth ( Acts 1:8). Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 28:19).
And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:15-16).
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us ( Romans 5:8). And we likewise are to share God's love with others.
Hopefully the unsaved will
Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ( Acts 3:19).
We are called upon by God to be His representatives to the world, spreading His gospel, that we may demonstrate His love to the lost that they to may be saved.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these ( Mark 12:30-31). The greatest way we can show God's love to others is to spread God's saving gospel - by evangelizing.
Without evangelism - spreading the Word of God, billions of souls would have never known the sweat salvation of God. God uses us, if we obey, to bring Him lost souls.
If the lost condition of this world is on your heart, log in some prayer time with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus sent the disciples out by 2's. Study how Jesus ministered to the lost.
Mishael
To do so, then a lot of other Scriptures would have to be negated, when Jesus says: John 16:16.17 "I go to the Father"; John 20:17 "I ascend to my Father...and to My God"; Hebrews 8:1, 10:12, Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, 1 Peter 3:22 "at the right Hand of God" & many more.
I earnestly hope that I have misunderstood your comments as the abundance of Scripture is given for us to know that there is still a God in Heaven & His Word made flesh has now ascended victorious & glorious, seated at His Father's right Hand, receiving the worship as One inclusive in the eternal Godhead.
You said: "The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us." With the Scriptures before us, and they don't lie, the "mystery of the Trinity" in part, is that the Eternal God has in His Love, chosen to give of Himself as the only Sacrifice that would satisfy His demands of justice & redemption. An unblemished animal was a temporal covering for sin which could never remove the guilt & consequences of sin. God had to provide His Own Lamb, which He did ( Isaiah 53:7, John 1:29), which no animal or man could fulfil. God the Father did not leave Heaven to accomplish this task but He sent forth His Word clothed in flesh to do so ( John 1:1-14) & called this Word, His beloved Son. God also sent forth His Spirit to empower His Son for service & power to all who repent & call upon Him that they too may be one as They are One ( John 17:21-26).
God cannot be divided into three parts, else we might conclude, three gods. He has revealed Himself in His Fullness, in tri-unity, without which He could not be the God He reveals to us & what He accomplishes for us. Blessings.
We must Hear the word of God Roman's 10:17, Believe it John 8 :24, Repent Luke 13:3, Confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Matthew 10:32-33, Be baptized fir the remission of our sins, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Mark 16:6, and live faithful and obedient. Matthew 10:22, Rev.2:10.