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Psalm 67. THIRD attempt to post after I wiped out AGAIN like last tiime.. ugh

I lost Psalm 66 but this Psalm once again has a Millennium type of fulfillment as indicated in verse 4. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Christ as "wonderful; counselor; mighty God; everlasting father; Prince of Peace" with surrounding verses describing how He rules with fairness and settles disputes impartially etc. The nations have hardly sung about this sort of thing as a whole yet.

Verse 2 and the "saving health" could be a reference to Petra where His people are physically preserved previously from Antichrist ( Rev. 12:14). It also could be how those who worship God are given a life like that of a tree ( Isaiah 65:22) where those who die at 100 will be considered as a child two verses previous. There will probably be physical life for those who don't rebel until the end of the 1000 years in the Eden like state of the earth but those who rebel will be immediately judged.

Again as in the previous Psalm; the crops will be multiplied (verse 6); and blessings and fear of the whole world will occur (verse 7). The lack of the fear of the Lord now as opposed to then certainly will be due to Christ Himself returning. Sadly though the unregenerate still will follow the Pied Piper's call when Satan makes his last stand at the end of that period immediately before the Great White Throne Judgment.

Mark 16:15 also shows how the Temple was designed to be a place of prayer for all nations (referring to multiple passages in the O.T. including Jeremiah; Isaiah; Chronicles and others).

Hello Alleylee

You will get many different answers to your question. My opinion...

There is the belief in many christian churches that the age of apostles and prophets ended in that early time. But there are many that do not accept this. God and His Word have not changed, it is people that have changed their beliefs unreasonably. Unreasonably because if something that is described clearly in the Bible does not exist in our church, then we should try to find out what is that we do (or believe) wrongly and stop trying cancelling the Word of God. So the best thing is one to go to their knees and ask God what is going wrong. If we are sincere about it God will definitely find a way to answer back, this is always the case.

So there are many christians that claim that God stopped talking to people after the Revelation was written, thus putting a duct tape on God's mouth. So God humbled and offered Himself for people suffering a horrible death but at the same time He is too arogant to speak to us now? Doesn't He want to talk to His children? Is this OK? Of course God talks and hears. In Acts it was God personally that ordained the 12 and Paul, it was the Spirit that led Paul and Barnabas to the gentiles. But Silas and Luke and Apollos and the rest were not pointed out by God directly but were chosen by Paul according to the wisdom given to him by the Lord. So when a minister anoints somebody else in the name of Jesus according to the instructions given in the Word of God, it is like God personally did it. So If God did all that at that time He can still do it today. He hasn't changed the way He acts

An apostle must have results in his mission, this is a proof that he was elected by God, 1 Cor 8:1-2. An "apostle" who has no results to show is not an apostle. Also read 2 Cor 12:12, one must prove that God sent him. People must be Spirit baptized, healings must occur etc, maybe not in the degree those occured in ancient times but still they should occur, Mark 16:15-18. GBU

Hey Bulletpencil,

My understanding, Jesus coming, the Messiah/Christ was not a secret, Daniel 9:25 prophesied when He would come. Jesus came to fulfill the prophets and the law, and when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, and Jesus was filled without measure, John 3:34.

John the Baptist proclaimed it, John 1:34 and His disciples did as well, John 1:41 Jesus told the woman at the well He was the Messiah, John 25:25-26 and Martha John 11:27. It was confirmed by all the miracles Jesus did by the Spirit of God, Matt. 12:28 the kingdom of God has come, but the death and resurrection were, at that time a secret/mystery, Rom. 11:25.

The kingdom of God has come, John said it was at hand, Matt. 3:1-2. After John was put in prison Jesus came preaching Mark 1:14-15. The mystery of the kingdom; they were looking for the stone to crush Rome and the kingdom would be set up then Daniel 2:44, but it was like the parables of the mustard seed and the yeast Matt. 13, increasing even today until the crushing blow at Jesus second coming.



The disciples knew Jesus was the Messiah/Christ, so I am sure that was part of their preaching, but Jesus' death and resurrection were hidden even from the disciples Luke 9:45. We see how they fled when Jesus was arrested, Matt. 26:56, and they did not believe He resurrected Mark 16:10-11 Luke 23:10-11 it was hidden from them for if Satan had known the results, he would have tried to stop it.

Jesus spoke mainly to the Pharisees and Sadducees in parables to fulfill the prophecy, Matt. 13:10-15 Mark 4:10-13 Luke 8:10. The mystery was not revealed until after Jesus was resurrected as Jesus told them the Holy Spirit would bring remembrance and teaching to them John 14:26 John 16:3-4 Romans 11:25 Romans 16:25 the promise to Abraham Genesis 17:4-7 and that seed was Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

This is my understanding may someone else have another, pray and study for your understanding.

God bless,

RLW

Adam

We are really talking here about the Nature of Salvation.

Eph 2:8-10

For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

So what is a "work" or a "good work"? A "good work" is obedience to any commandment of God that applies to us.

During the Church Age (which I believe has now ended and we are livling in the period that God calls The Great Tribulation, Matt 24 & 1 Peter 4:17) we were commanded to be baptzed in water if we identified with a local church. But water baptism was a cermonial sign, like the Lords Supper (Communion), and we no longer are to observe these ceremonial signs and that believers actually have been commanded to get out of the local churches. Just like when Jesus came physically the first time, God was finished with National Isreal as His corporate representation and we no longer observe the cermonial laws of the old testiment.

But even during the Church Age, water baptism was still a WORK which we were commanded to observe and did not contiribute to our salvation in any way. Just as the observance of the Old Testement ceremonial laws did not contirbute to the salvation of any Old Testement believer.

Mark 16:16 is talking about the baptism that SAVES, it is the baptism that God performs in washing away our sins. Not water baptism.

And if we are TRUSTING in any WORK that we do, including the WORK of water baptism as initiating, maintaining, assisting, supporting, etc. our salvation in any way, we are walikng on very dangereous ground (Read Galations, in particular Gal 2:16) and falling into the same snare as some of the early New Testement Jews. Note also in Gal 2:16 that the faith by which we are saved is Christ's faith, not our faith.

My favorite part of mark is the chapter number 16:16-17

This verse encourages me to seek and save lost by working miracles.

Amen

The Bible use the word Baptism in two ways and the context determines the meaning, as one of the commenters indicated.

There is 1) the effectual baptism of the Holy Spirit which occurs when God applies salvation to one of His Elect by giving them their Resurrected Soul. That is becoming Born Again.

And there is 2) water baptism which is a ceremonial sign to be observed by the New Testament local churches and congregations during the church age pointing to the nature of salvation, like the physical circumsision of the Old Testament.

Mark 16:16 is speaking of the Baptism of God the Holy Spirit, i.e. Salvation ( Exe 36:25 ) which continues throughout time as God saves His Elect right up until Christ returns on the clouds of glory at the Last Day.

I believe the church age ended with the beginning of the Great Tribulation which is the day in which we are now living during which God has abandoned the local churches and congregations and has commanded true believers to flee the local churches. Read Matt 24. And God continues to save His Elect OUTSIDE the local churches during the Latter Rain.

Therefore, like physical circumsision of the Old Testament time, we are no longer to observe the New Testament sign of water baptism.

Thanks for clarifying David. So, your pro-baptism and encourage people to be baptized then?

Based on the comments I had the impression that you were against it and so I must have misinterpreted.

Because the original commenter said baptism is very important, but it seemed like you disagreed with that and dismissed it as a "work." Good works are good, though. Faith without works is dead, the Bible says. That is very different than someone falsely thinking they are earning salvation.

Mark 16:16

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

What's interesting is Jesus uses baptism and salvation in the same sentence here, suggesting there could be a correlation. I know you say there's zero correlation, but its interesting how Jesus phrased this. So, either salvation is related or it isn't related. Only one is true and what Jesus meant. Sure would be a bummer to guess wrong on that one and downplay something Jesus said to do. I think because Jesus said to do it, I encourage others to be baptized and think its wrong to discourage people from obeying Jesus's commands.

There's a whole lot of discussion these days on social media about what book belongs in the Bible (ie Jasher, Enoch, etc). I submit to you through my own convictions on this. Nothing matters more than Salvation. It is God's plan. It was his plan from the beginning. We, Christians, know that God, in the beginning, knew he would dwell in a flesh body and he created the whole world based off of the body in which he would dwell and become the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.

Do not let anyone deceive you, nor take away your joy in salvation by wrapping you up in theologies and in bankrupt "what-ifs."

Salvation in God's word is key to everything. We must hear, believe, have faith and obey his word for this salvation. Yes, Jesus did the work and fulfilled the Law and the prophets, but he commanded his apostles to Go, Teach, and Baptize. Jesus himself, who is God in the flesh and his flesh now glorified, was even baptized himself to fulfill all righteousness. If he did it and commanded his apostles to do so in his name, we should have no question about doing it as well. Whether you disagree or not as far as salvation goes, it's very clear that baptism is very important and was applied to many things in the Bible giving us examples of why it is and remains so important. The great flood, The Red Sea crossing, the laver where the high priest cleansed and washed, Jesus's baptism, Jesus commanding his apostles, The apostles baptizing in Jesus' name, Phillip preaching "Jesus" to the Eunuch and the first thing he asked for was to be baptized, Peter being present for the Jews, Samaritans, and the Gentiles to repent, be baptized in Jesus name and be filled with the holyghost, Paul telling the Jailer to believe and he would be saved and taking him and his house and baptizing them, etc etc... Baptism is very essential. Jesus commanded it and even said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved..." Do not be decieved nor robbed of your birthright.

Mark 16:15, "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." 'Creature, or creation' as the Greek suggests applies to all who need to hear & respond to the Gospel. My own thought is that by using this word, 'creation', the implication is that the Gospel needs to reach all parts of the world, to every nation & tribe.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Whta is the meaning of creature in above ?

Preach the Gospel to all creations on the Earth.

Do I have to be baptized in water to be saved?

Yes ! Luke 24:47,48 Mark 16:16,17 , Acts 2:38 , Acts 4:12 , Acts 19:1-6 , Acts 5:32 ,

1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39. Acts 1:8 , Acts 2:4 , John 21:15 Jesus loves us!

Landon

There are believers that believe they also minister to creatures. Interestingly there are many events in Scripture that show obedience to GOD ALMIGHTY & even accountability. Starting with Genesis 9:5, Proverbs 12:10, 1Samuel 6:7-15, 1Kings 13, Numbers 22, Daniel 6, Isaiah 65:25, Isaiah 11:6-9,

James 1:5-7,

Hopefully these are helpful

Birds are animals so is a dog they can never think like a human nor comprehend anything, A good example is when you leave your in the house and go to work and later on you find your dog has chewed all you new cushions and made a big mess.

This Dog you might speak to it and he will wiggle his tail but i tell you tomorrow or few months down the line it will do it again

The point is God has made us and breath into our nostrils and given man the breath of life then man became living being .

Jesus died on the cross for man to be reconciled with God This is clearly shown on

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

another point to understand is that we are more valuable to God than animals and as God takes care of the animals and birds of the skys he values man more than them.

Matthew 6:26-34

26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

By the grace of God Please don't worry about the animals worry about your souls before God, remember unless you repent you will likewise perish

Luke 13:3

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

It means human creature(people) dear Jag.

Dear Jag,

I will speak about your second question. I think it is clear in the Scriptures that Jesus saves all of us, body, soul, and spirit.

1Thessalonions 5:22

Hebrews 10:39

James 1:21

All speak of the salvation of our souls.

The word creature referred to in verse 15,what does it mean? Are we supposed to preach to birds and animals also?

Additionally do their souls also receive slavation and destined for heaven?

Beloved "Giannis" in peace. Many times in my life I have had the pleasure of having a living being in my house always a dog or cat at least. Nowadays it's just mice.

But we have a word.

Mark 16:15

Stay safe and strong in the word. Love u in Christ.

Hi Dr Lyle Lee.

I agree with you on the two Gospels being preached. Where some get confused is they think that means there's 2 means to salvation. But that's not so.

HERE'S A ARTICLE FROM J VERNON MCGEE ON THIS.

( This may take several posts)

Part 1.

The gospel of the kingdom is the preaching of John the Baptist: "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" ( Matthew 3:2). We do not preach that gospel today. The Lord Jesus preached it when He first began (see Matthew 4:17), and He sent His disciples out, saying, "Goto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand" ( Matthew 10:6,7). These men went out and preached that, but the day came when that changed. After His death and resurrection He said, "Don't just go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but go now to the world" (see Mark 16:15). And to the world was to be preached the gospel of Christ. Paul mentions in Romans 15:19, "I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." Read his epistles and you'll find that the gospel he preached was that of the death and resurrection of Christ. He wrote to the Corinthians and said, "I delivered unto you first of all the gospel. And the gospel I preach is the one that you believed in, the one that saved you." Well, what is it, Paul? It's "that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" ( 1 Corinthians 15:3). That's the gospel, it's nothing but the gospel, and nothing else is the gospel. Even if an angel from heaven appears to you and preaches any other gospel, Paul says let him be accursed! (See Galatians 1:8.) Because there's only one gospel that we are to preach today. We do not preach the gospel of the kingdom. I wish we could get that through today to a great many who are talking about the gospel of the kingdom.

See part 2.

2Kings 4:39-44, Luke 10:8,19, Mark 16:18, Romans 14, 1Timothy 4,

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 28:19, Mark 1:1-11, Mark 16:16, Luke 3:21, 1Corinthians 12:13, Acts 2:38,41, Acts 8:12, Acts 10:48, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:4,5, 1Peter 3:20-22, Acts 22:16,

Romans 6, Colossians 2:12,

Hopefully these are helpful

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. An exhortation to obey the Great Commission, Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel, unto every creature. Let us thank the Lord we still have time to preach the gospel openly, the hour is late, we need to work the works of him that sends us while it is day John 9:4. Let us redeem the time because the days are evil Ephesians 5:16.

Ms. Smiley, my minister did a very informative sermon on Baptism a couple of Sundays ago. If you would go on facebook and pull up the Richmond Ave. Church of Christ video, and listen to that sermon I'm sure you will be edified and encouraged to obey the gospel. Also I know some people don't do social media: if that is the case with you you can always read from the King James version of the Bible these scriptures: Acts 2:38, Mark 16:15-16, Acts 22:16: I Peter3:20-21; Acts 10:48, John 3:5; Luke 7:30. Also read 2 Corinthians 5:17 with Galatians 3:27. If after reading these passages you are still unsure or have any questions, please feel free to give us a call at (817) 739-4933. The scriptures I gave you are in reference to specifically the purpose of baptism. There are others that speak to the action itself and who are candidates for taking the action, let me know if you would like those. But God's plan of salvation for us all is a 5-step process given in the book. You must first Hear the gospel, believe what you hear, repent, you must confess faith and then be baptized. Just know this is GOd's plan. Not mine or my minister's. In closing just know,"We speak where the Bible speaks, and are Silent where the Bible is silent."

Sister Gwen Johnson

Salvation is for everyone who believes and is baptized. Here are some scriptures:

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 10:9 That if thou Confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.

Acts 19:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said, of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter if persons:

Acts 10:35 But in every nation here that feareth him and worker's righteousness is accepted with him.

Sabbath : Exodus 20:8,10,11, Exodus 31:14,15,16, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2,4,6, Numbers 28:9,10, Deuteronomy 5,

Nehemiah 13:19, There's many more scriptures, hopefully you'll find them all helpful

Jesus observed the Sabbath & fulfilling the Sacrifice: Luke 23:17,54,55,56, John 19:31, Acts 13:27, Matthew 28:1, Mark 6:2, Mark 16:1, Matthew 8:17, Luke 4:21, Acts 13,

Matthew 12:8,

The Resurrection Of Christ

Mark 16:1-8

1. And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had brought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2. And they early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3. And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4. And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

5. And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in long white garment, they were affrighted.

6. And he saith unto them, Be not frightened: ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is not there: behold the place where they laid him.

7. But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galliee : there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

8. And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: said they anything to any man; for they were afraid.

Mark 8:22-26, this seems to be the same account witnessed by John: John 9, whole chapter, note: Exodus 4:11, & John 9:1,3,32,33,39,

Matthew 9:27-31, notice: Mark 10:47-52, this guys "faith, immediately" Luke 18:35-43, notice, the situation you referred to: John 9:35-39,

Psalms 146:8, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 35:5,6, Isaiah 42:1-21, here in: Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22, Jesus pointed out the fulfilled prophecy in those ancient scriptures. Matthew 15:31,

Mark 6:1-6,

The mind is a powerful thing, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24, Mark 16:17,

Luke 8:49-50, even death Jesus said "fear not: believe only" ._.

Was it the man's doubt?

Was it an example to not give up, keep trying, keep seeking the miraculous, healings? To encourage us to press on, keep believing, keep trying. (?) or all the above._.

1peter 3: 20-21

8 souls were saved by water.

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:3-8, Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in the newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.

Also

Mark 16:16-17

Colossians 2:11-12

Also in the old testament the parting of the red sea was a type of baptism.

Peter said be baptized for the remission of sins.

In the book of Acts all were water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ /unto the Lord.

This post is to no one in particular. In the book of Acts, Cornelius was not a Jew & he was water baptized. Water baptism is all thru the New Testament. Romans 6:1-8. Colossians 2. Mark 16:16-17. Luke 24:47 also says it's for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28 Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation message. Water baptism saves you as in for the "remission of sins". Your previous sins are washed, forgiven. And now we must walk the straight path, sin no more. Love the Lord w all our heart & love our neighbor as thyself. We must continue on to receive the Holy Ghost. We must receive the Holy Ghost or we are none of his. I am of the Apostles doctrine, the book of Acts. And in Acts 2:39 says, The promise is unto you & to your children and to all those that are afar off even as many as the Lord our God shall call. It was first to the jews but then to the gentiles. There's so much scripture for water baptism. First in Acts 2:38 w Peter saying to "Repent & be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost". Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven, therefore he was not in error.

Instead of arguing this & that, why not go to the Lord in prayer & seek this truth. The Lord will always show us the way. Ask for revelation. Hallelujah amen I love the Lord & all his ways.

S Spencer

Is the Gospel necessary? Absolutely!

However some that feast with us don't think so.

Passages in Romans 10 shows great importance in preaching it.

vs 8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, WHICH WE PREACH;

vs 14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and HOW SHALL THEY HEAR WITHOUT A PREACHER?

vs 15) AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH, EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? as it is written, HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THEM THAT PREACH THE GOSPEL OF PEACE, AND BRING GLAD TIDINGS OF GOOD THINGS!

Jesus said Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15.

This same group false theology suggests there's no hell or Satan and everyone goes to heaven so even the word salvation is pointless because there is nothing to be saved from. So the death of Christ doesn't display the love of God.

John 3:16 would have to be an error!

The wide gate in Matthew 7:13 doesn't exist.

There's no consequences to sin, no reward for righteous living by the Spirit.

Those who denied Christ, Hate God, murderer ect... And those who love God will sit down with judas, Paul, Peter, Putin, Hitler and sit down at the marriage supper. So our preaching is in vain.

So why do they earnestly stand in our way? They pretend to be beside you when talking about the trinity but when you mention Faith, Believe, ect.. in regards to salvation they come unglued! Why do they bother if whether you believe or not according to them it doesn't matter? That they won't answer.

They stand in the way when it shouldn't matter to them unless the spirit in them is to deceive!

And This doctrine "Salvation by works is by that same Spirit. As seen in Galatians 3:1 and many other verses.