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Hello, what is your motive for posting that God is one God? Christians have known this all along, because the Bible has always said that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, not two, not three, but one. Just like the pulp, skin, seeds of an orange is one orange, not three oranges. Some people have a hard time comprehending, so they make up stuff and try to discredit and slander Jesus, for example, which is unthinkable, but that of course it's based on a clever lie from satan.

Who is most likely to trick everyone into assuming Jesus isn't who people say He is: God, or satan? The father of lies is behind so much of the new age and regressive movements we see today trying to manipulate and deceive people into believing falsehoods. I hope you're not part of this group, but I mention it so everyone is on guard for the false prophets who sometimes even post on this website. People should really pray hard and do deep soul searching before trying to slander God in Bible website. The day of judgment is coming. Even those who believe they're saved regardless of their actions will still face judgment before going anywhere. Some will cry out Lord, Lord. Fight the good fight, run the race well to the end. God bless.

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Brother Freeman,

No, I have never seen one instance where Jesus sided with men against his Father. Can you explain in further detail?

God Bless

You did not read or understand the text .

Verse v29 " The Lord our God is one Lord "

Notice the word "our" glad to be of service . He did not say I'm God . That would be opposite.

I don't know where you got that but it is false. Matthew 36:-40.

Freeman,

I agree, the 1st, and 2nd commandments - are the greatest of all. Amen.

As Christians we also can't ignore the other eight.

John 14:21

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Mark12.29

The most important commandment ! May stun some . But Jesus knows ...

Dear Steve,

That is a heavy situation you have found yourself in. Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry you haven't received a timely response from others like maybe you were hoping for.

Proverbs 27:17 - this verse comes to mind as we often need support from each other and to get other perspectives, so I'm glad you have risked to share your story in hope to get new others' input.

I have prayed about this and I'd like to share my impression.

"my wife has become a victim of my sins"

I don't believe you caused your wife's condition. My mother had the same condition as do millions and it's already hard enough to deal with, but if we attempt to blame ourselves we only worsen an already unpleasant situation. We need to be loving and nurturing to ourselves so we have love left over to give to others. Mark 12:31. So, please don't blame yourself and instead be extra gentle with yourself and give yourself a break, that way you have more love to give others a break too. We all have limited days on earth and should make the most of it and focus on the good- especially in regards to relationships, helping others, using our gifts, etc.

"Are my prayers lost?"

God hears your prayers. It does take faith/belief and genuine motives. Mark 11:24. James 1. God bless you.

Greetings in Jesus' name, Chris.

Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.

A.

So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:21-22

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

B.

As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:

Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:

1 Timothy 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".

Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.

Numbers 23:19

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).

Jim,

In Mark 12:17, Jesus said render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

They were trying to trap Jesus about paying taxes. Jesus asked who's image was on the coin. They said Caesar's.

So what was Jesus saying?

In Genesis 1:26, it says that God made man in His image. Do you see where this is going? Jesus is telling them if that is Caesar's money and he wants it, give it to him. It is worldly. It is part of his system, so give it to him.

But you are made in the image of God. Give Caesar his money, and give God what is due to Him.

I hope this helps!

No.

Ezekiel 27 & 28 describes the King of Tyre as making himself a "god" and was called a "cherub" and referenced "Eden, the garden of God" This Cherub was "perfect" in beauty, faultless in his ways from creation onward until unrighteousness was found in him. Ez 27:3, 28:12,15

Isaiah 42:12 Reference the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, David, Josiah, Ezekiel, John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, etc. This Almighty God of Israel is the creator of all living things. In Psalms 83:18 he is called Jehovah God.

If you look in one of the earliest King James Bible of 1611 you'll see that name. Most modern translations have removed that name and substituted it with Lord claiming since the original pronunciation was lost it makes sense to remove it as if the Almighty doesn't exist. Also the divine name Jehovah or Adhonai or Elohim in some translation appears in the Tetragrammaton close to 7000 times so removing the name removes the knowledge and understanding of the Almighty and creates confusion. He just wasn't a tribal God in Isaiah 54:5 it says "....He will be called the God of the whole earth." Psalm 124:8 Jehovah is called the maker of heaven and earth.

Jesus who was a Jew also recognized the God of Israel as being Jehovah or Yahweh. Remember the Jewish clergy during the time of Jesus wanted to bring charges against Jesus in order to put him to death for blashemy so any of worship or acknowledgement he gave to any other god would have given them this opportunity. Plus Genesis 17:1, Isaiah 45:18, Psalm 83:18 refers to Jehovah God being one God. Deuteronomy 6:4,5 also call Jehovah one Jehovah. This is in harmony with Mark 12:29, Romans 3:29-30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Timothy 2:5 all these scriptures refer to one God.

For Jesus to believe in multiple gods or a triune god would be paramount to apostasy for a Jew and thus grounds for death. Also Roman Zeus was a triune god and existed during this time.

First, the verse, you are in question is Mark 12:30 if we think about what Jesus says it is really simple you have to love the Lord with all of yourself. If your mind is not focused on the Lord then the rest of yourself will wander. With all the false preaching and people following these false preachers you have to stay focused on the word and the Lord. The lord already knew what today would be like so he put mind so we would not be lead astray. Stay focused on the Lord study your bible and pray. I hope this helps any more questions please feel free to ask or reach me in my email. Thank you.

When the Jews were subject to the Romans, I believe they would have had the same question and this was Jesus answer to them at the time.

Mark 12:14 "And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?" 15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see [it]. 16 And they brought [it]. And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's. 17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Yes the effects of sin has left a crimson stain indeed

Paul wrote, there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29

That's ok though. Let them. It's humility. Pride tells us not to but pride is the sin of Lucifer.

My comments about the parable of the sower and his seed as found in Mat. 13. That good seed is the living Word and God shows us the END RESULT of the Sower and his PRECIOUS SEED IN Rev 12. That Woman is the good ground THE WORLD where the good seed was sown .She was impregnated by the good Seed which is the Words of God thats y she has the substance of things hoped for the Evidence of things not seen (THE FETUS ) OF Christ which is the H.G. the Kingdom. She was in pains and Sorrows to be delivered of her Child the H.G. Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen ( the fetus ) Thats what is gona happen to the Whole WORLD remember Jesus said the field was the WORLD where that good seed is gona be sown, in the hearts of humanity . Jeremiah saw the whole WORLD in travail and birth PAINS . Infact 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth PAINS , Its gona happen after the Book is opened, we will all sing a new song about Christ and his precious seed the New Covenant. God is gonna put his words/LAWS in our hearts and minds MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SIN AS THEM THAT ARE BORN OF GOD CANNOT SIN. REV 12 : 10 NOW IS COME SALVATION AND The KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST ( HER CHILD ) Yes there can be a fetus of Christ, my lil children of whom i travail in birth again till Christ is formed in you, the fetus is simply the H.G. that we feel moving in our hearts . That good seed is the living Word of God that he is gonna sow in our hearts and minds thus we are the WOMAN the Church that is gona have a baby Christ that CHILD OF PROMISE. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD as a lil Child Jesus said. Thats y the Sower OF THE GOOD SEED wants to sow his seed in our hearts that we might be bornagain of an incorruptible seed EVEN BY THE WORDS OF GOD thus the manchild that is gona be born in us. Thats how the manchild will rule ALL NATIONS he is gona be born in ALL MEN GB

By all means Rodney. I would look forward to further discussion on this or related matters. Every blessing.

Hi Chris. I hope you dont mind me comparing verses with you as i believe it is crucial we get to the bottom of this .please let me knw if we may continue corresponding .reason being this is a process and a few random verses wont give us a clear understanding of who the true Creator is . Please advise .

Kind Regards

Rodney

Hi Rodney, I did post a reply to your similar request yesterday. Maybe you haven't seen it, or you might be looking for further comment from others. I do hope you get other views to help you with your enquiry.

Rather, than repeat what I wrote earlier, I would add here: that the early Church may have picked the First Day of the Week as the day to come together to worship the Lord in remembrance of their Saviour's resurrection on that day, as well as a show of further segregation from the Jewish Law. Of course, the Sabbath was being adhered to by the Jews, & indeed by Paul in his ministry to them (as in Acts 17:2). But it appears that believers no longer observed the Sabbath for worship (maybe it was still a day of rest though), but they came together on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), now being referred to as the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10).

In ministry in Pakistan, Friday is the Muslim's rest day & for a more dedicated worship & preaching in the mosque. As Christians, we had to fall in line with this day & so our corporate worship time in a Church Fellowship fell on a Friday. Some Churches still held a Sunday service, though that was not well attended, as most were required to work. So, any day that is selected can be used as a corporate day of worship, seeing that for the Christian, every day is alike to come before the Lord; but as ordered by the Lord, one day in the week still needs to be set aside as rest, for the health & recuperation of the mind & body. So I find it strange that an insistence for a Christian having to observe a Saturday Sabbath as necessary, as the Jews do, when that is not only meaningless for us but also demonstrates one placing himself back under the Law. I also wonder how well that believer observes the Sabbath: does he refrain from buying, or working in the garden, or dealing with an urgent repair job at home?

To your other question on observing the correct day of rest from the days of Adam & Eve, I wrote about this earlier.

Good day .i am a welder by trade but i do read the Bible and another Scriptural book.the great contovercy ..from at the biggining of creation Our Creator set aside a very specific day .the 7th day .called the Sabbath.i do admire your commitment and and your dilegence .i have quite a few verses in the Bible stating the importance of the 7th day Sabbath.could you please enlighten me as to why sunday is the majority of Christians day of worship.please do not misunderstand me i just need clarity. Another question comes to mind which day of worship was first instituted for all mankind since Adam and Eve were created.was it the 7th day or the 1st day of the week and if so why do the Majority of Christian worship on the Sunday.as i have said i am simply seeking clarity. Please advise

Kind Regards

Rodney Edwards

Mark 12 v 28 to 34

This is a wonderful

Passage in the NT that fully agrees with the Old Testament on who is the Lord God .

And Jesus is teaching it and the scribe verified Jesus teaching and Jesus said he was not far from the kingdom of God .

It's so important to understand who God is , if this knowledge is distorted then a person is going after another god .

Study closely these verses and ask your self Do I know the right God ?

There are many deceiving today , making claims that are not in the bible .

MYSTERY OF THE NEPHILIM REVEALED

Gen.6:4

Scriptural Facts:

1. Heavenly or Fallen Angels can not procreate according to biblical scripture. ( Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34)

2. There is no evidence from the dead sea scrolls on gen.6:4 that the Nephilim were the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men.

3. The Nephilim were present before and after the sons of God and daughters of man had intercourse.

4. Sons of God could mean holy Angels or holy men according to scripture. ( Job 1:6; 2:1), ( Psalm 82:6, Hos. 1:10; John 10:34-38, Matt. 5:9; Luke 3:38; Rom. 8:14)

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Knowing these facts; we can rule out that the sons of God are angels in gen 6:4 because they procreate.

Therefore, they must be men that had God's favor(Seth's lineage). The daughters of man would be women without God's favor(Cain's lineage). Their offspring would be human.

What are these Nephilim?

Well, they can't be the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of man according to the facts stated above; because the nephilim were present when the sons of God lusted the daughters of man. How could the Nephilim be present when the sons of God first had sex with the daughters on man? Wouldn't they need to be born first?

The interpretation from a root word naphil of Nephilim means fallen ones.

Look at the similarities of seraphim and cherubim. Now look at Nephilim.

Seraphim and Cherubim are Holy Angels.

Doesn't it make since that the Nephilim would be Fallen angels?

The men of renown is another way of referring to famous biblical characters like Adam, seth, Enoch, and Noah.

How did the spies from moses know what the Nephilim looked like or were?

Stories told from generation to generation about them being frightening.

When the spies saw giant men, they were frightened and thought they were the Nephilim.

The Nephilim most likely tempted the sons of God and daughters of man.

The Nephilim were fallen Angels not human. Goliath was a man.

What is our part in God's plan of salvation for the lost?

Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God ( 2 Corinthians 5:20). you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth ( Acts 1:8). Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 28:19).

And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:15-16).

But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us ( Romans 5:8). And we likewise are to share God's love with others.

Hopefully the unsaved will

Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ( Acts 3:19).

We are called upon by God to be His representatives to the world, spreading His gospel, that we may demonstrate His love to the lost that they to may be saved.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these ( Mark 12:30-31). The greatest way we can show God's love to others is to spread God's saving gospel - by evangelizing.

Without evangelism - spreading the Word of God, billions of souls would have never known the sweat salvation of God. God uses us, if we obey, to bring Him lost souls.

If the lost condition of this world is on your heart, log in some prayer time with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus sent the disciples out by 2's. Study how Jesus ministered to the lost.

Mishael

verses 1-12 It is evident that the vineyard is God's people, planted and nourished. He sent His prophets, they were misused. He sent His Son, they crucified Him. He arose and ascended to Heaven. God made Him High Priest of Israel, see the book of Hebrews, especially ch7:12. God also made Him after the order of Melchisedec, the high priest and King of Salem. So He became King and High Priest of Israel. Then Jesus sent Paul to go get the Gentiles and bring them into the Kingdom, by faith into salvation. Thus the people of the Israel of God + the gentiles became one under Christ.

Matthew 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:3 ..."we shall judge angels"

A: We will be transformed into spiritual beings. That carnal, fleshly sin nature will be gone. There's not going to be dating, betrothal or marriage.

B: Our spiritual nature will as one who desires to please God and worship Him.

Sorrow over those who chose death, over life eternal; will not be remembered.

C: we will not be of the Earth, earthly and carnal (of the Flesh). We're going to have bodies as the angels have bodies.

We will not struggle with desires, jealousy, ambitions etc.

D: Satan, other names such as; FATHER OF LIES, destroyer, deceit, murder, etc., will not be slinking around to trip us up with that old carnal nature. He's going to be locked up in hell for 1000 years. There is no mention of him having children, although There is mention of the son of perdition in a couple of places.

E. I don't know what we'll have on, "underneath our robes." There will not be marriage or child rearing. Our lives will be spiritual.

F: the way I understand it: the people who manage to be BORN AGAIN during the Tribulation and manage to survive without taking the Mark of the Beast or being destroyed: will be in heaven with their kids; have other children during the 1000 years;

They are going to be earthly. That's why satan is loosed a short time to see if the survivors can be tempted to fall away and follow Satan, instead of Jesus. They will not judge the angels.

I believe we will be able to do a bit of evangelizing and testifying in that 1000 year period. I believe we will not be angry because they are earthly, and we are spiritual beings.

That kinda shows us where we are with our earthly, carnal nature, now.

Hello Omar,

You are asking the right question. People searching for meaning outside of God often come up empty. It's not about wealth, that's why so many famous celebrities are unstable and have alcohol and drug addictions. The wisest man in the Bible who was a wealthy king wrote about this exact subject. It is worth reading: Ecclesiastes 2

I believe the meaning of life is love and relationships. Relationships with God, family, friends, neighbors. Life is a test and God is testing our character and if we want to seek and follow Him. The greatest commandment in the Bible is Mark 12:30-31. The Bible is full of wisdom on how to live our life- like an instruction manual for a good, meaningful life.

In addition, people who help others often feel a great sense of fulfillment. Volunteering, helping neighbors, pursuing the betterment of others. Not everyone says thank you. Only 10% came back to thank Jesus for healing him. But this is a way to build 'treasure' in heaven instead of pursuing empty pursuits of this world, in my opinion. Matthew 6:20

John 16:33, 2 Corinthians 4:17, 1 Corinthians 13:13. Link

God bless you...

Hi Sandra,

This is a quick summary for New Testament Christians who want clarifications of the "Lord's Day" (Sunday) vs the Old Testament "Sabbath" (Saturday).

The Sabbath was a ceremonial day given to Old Testament Jews to keep. New Testament Christians (Jews and Gentiles) do not follow the old carnal, beggarly, religion of the Jews because the fulfillment of those things are in Christ. This is the same reason Christians do not worship in a Temple made with hands but instead worship the Lord in their hearts. ( Rom 14:1-23; 2 Cor 3:6-18; Gal 4:1-31; Col 2:14-17).

The answer to this question (and all others) are in the KJV Bible. There is a false religion that promotes Sabbath Worship. They state that Sunday Worship is "The Mark of the Beast", but they do not know their Bible and reject what the New Testament states about the Sabbath and about the Lord's Day. Try my words and all others with God's Word. ( Rom 3:4)

Hebrews is a book of the Bible that exalts Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of the Old Testament legal systems. Jesus also teaches us throughout the Gospels that the thousands of rules in the Old Testament are kept with two primary Laws which are basically: "Love God" and "Love Your Neighbor" ( Mark 12:30-36). Keeping these two rules in Christ fulfill the whole law. Further detail of how to do this is throughout Scripture, but no man can keep these laws perfectly, that's why we need Christ.

Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles), taught us to come together regularly and to keep the "Lord's Day" (the day Christ arose from the dead). This is the first day of the week. Christians have met throughout the New Testament and throughout History on the first day of the week, which is Sunday. Our Sabbath/Rest is in Christ, He has fulfilled the Old Testament laws which we and no other man can. (Heb; Acts 20:7; I Cor 16:1-2; Rev 1:10)

Christians come together on Sunday to keep the New Testament Doctrine not to keep the Old Testament Ceremonial Religion given to the Jews.

If you bought a 60 inch screen tv, you'd read the owners manual wouldn't you?

You'd want to know what that tv can do?

Same thing. The Bible is the Owners Manual (Jesus). These following scriptures are enough to show that you need to come to know what you have.

Desire the pure milk of the Word. Strong meat belongs to them that are exercised in their faith.

Matthew 11:29

Take my yoke upon you, and LEARN of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

John 12:26

If any man serve me, let him FOLLOW me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Mark 12:24

And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because YE KNOW NOT the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Luke 24:45

Then opened he their understanding, that they MIGHT UNDERSTAND the scriptures,

Matthew 22:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, NOT UNDERSTANDING the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Luke 4:21

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

John 20:9

For as yet THEY KNEW NOT the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

Comment: strong meat makes your hair stand on end, your eyes wide and mouth drop, saying: WOW!!

Mishael

Jesus is not God, He is the Son of God, this is the start of being a witness unto him, where to start... 1 John 4:9-15, Ephesians 1:19-20, Luke 18:18-19, 1 John 5:1-11, John 5:17-47, Hebrews 10:12, John 6:38, Matthew 16:13-17, Romans 1:9, 1 Corinthians 3:23, John ch 14, John 10:36-38, Matthew 24:36, John 8:54, John 10:17-18, Hebrews 1:1-9, Matthew 27:46, Mark 14:36, Matthew 10:40, Revelations 3:21, Mark 12:35-39, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Matthew 20:23, Revelations 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 1 Timothy 2:5, John 1:18

Scriptural Facts-Gen.6:4:

1. Heavenly or Fallen Angels can not procreate according to biblical scripture. ( Matt. 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34)

2. The Nephilium were present before, at the time, and after the sons of God and daughters of man had ***. They can't be their offspring, because they would have to be born first.

3. Sons of God could mean holy Angels or holy men according to scripture. ( Job 1:6; 2:1), ( Psalm 82:6, Hos. 1:10; John 10:34-38, Matt. 5:9; Luke 3:38; Rom. 8:14)

* The sons of God are the renown men of old(from seth's lineage)and were tempted by the Nephilium (Fallen angels) to lust the daughters of men(from Cain's lineage).