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Thank you, Richard, for your reply. So kind of you to take time out of your day to respond.

The tongues of those who are upright and in right standing with God are as choice silver!

God Bless you brother.

THANK YOU, Mishael, for your prompt reply! I love to study the scriptures and believe it is important to know the rules of engagement when dealing with the enemy. I appreciates the points you have made and have saved them for future reference.

May He grant your hearts desire and make all your plans succeed Ps 20;14 NLT

If the attack is against me, I say "In Jesus name, it is written; The Lord rebuke thee. Get thee hence!"

It's good to use the Search Box and type in 'Authority' and hit the arrow. Every scripture on authority is listed. By reading all of them, it gives a clearer picture of what our Authority in Christ is. You can read all, Old Testament only, or New Testament only.

Jesus gave us his NAME. We study how he used his Name to rebuke Satan and his demon operatives.

Having good knowledge of scripture allows us to use it against the devils that know scripture too! If we speak the scripture with Jesus Name, those devils have to cease their attack.

That where binding comes in handy. (The Lords Prayer). Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven.

Bind the demons and send them into outer darkness and dry places.

In Jesus name, Loose: angelic help, healing, deliverance, Emotional help.

Only tithing is how we ask for help in finances. We establish trust in Gods plan to help us be blessed financially. When the plan works, we can ask for what we need and receive it. The plan is not meant to be legalized by well meaning preachers. God made a simple principal to follow:

Minimum= adequate blessings

Maximum= over and above blessings

The plan operates on trust and obedience; with thanksgiving to God for His Word.

In Matthews 26, we see reasons why we should share what we have, with others who lack everything. Then we honor Jesus's known plea for those who are in need.

Mishael

Hello Diane,

Just to give a little, personal, answer to your question. Whenever I hear temptations, or statements not from our Father, I use that exact phase. Or "God Almighty rebukes thee satan" along with others using the name of Jesus Christ to cast the devil away from me.

Most of the time I myself don't even speak these things out of my mouth. It's mostly in my head or spiritual. You may have to repeat it several times. And do it with authority. God purchased you, you are His now. The Lord enjoys us keeping guard. Any bad thing cast it out.

Hope this helps some. God Bless you sister.

Yes, Jude 1;9 "The Lord Rebuke thee"... as believers we have been given authority; Galatians 1;20-22 we are seated with Christ in heavenly places at the right hand of the Father...to rule and reign with Him, He is the head we are the body Gal 2; 5&6 Also Luke 10;19"Behold, I have given you all authority to tread on serpents and scorpions. I have given you authority over all the powers of the enemy, nothing shall by any means harm you. Also Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because Greater is He THAT IS WITHIN YOU, than he that is in the world. I John 4;4 ...So my question is When is it correct to say "The Lord rebuke thee"? Certainly Michael the archangel is more powerful (authority trumps power) than we are?? SO do we need to say the Lord rebuke thee.

Hi Linda,

Gen 6:2, 4, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, Psalms 29:1, 89:6, Dan 3:25) refer to the expression "sons of God." I believe that this is the Hebrew idiom referring to angels. It is a figure of speech.

I believe that the sons of God left heaven, came down to earth ( Jude 1:6), and took to wife all of whom they chose from the daughters of Adam. The children of these marriages were the giants. The giants were there on earth before the flood, and "also after that" ( Genesis 6:4), meaning that they did indeed survive the flood, and the giants are mentioned throughout the Bible.

Noah is the representative at this time period for the seed line that will bring forth the Messiah.

Chris, may the Spirit grace you with the intent of my words, none to be taken as condemnation but edifying. The beast in revelation has so been misunderstood by the teaching of the carnal mind and the doctrines of man. May the Holy Spirit grace us with his words. Job 18:3 Wherefore are we (all mankind) counted as beasts (carnal minded), and reputed vile in your eyes. Psalms 49:20 (carnal) Man that is in honour (pride),and understandeth not (the Spirit), is like a beast that perish (goes to the grave). Psalms 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee (Spirit of God). Proverbs 9:1-2 Wisdom (by the Spirit of God) hath builded her house (us), she hath hewn her seven pillars: (vs) 2 She (wisdom) hath killed her beast (carnal mind).... Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in my heart (mind) concerning the estate of men, that (the Spirit of) God might manifest (grace) them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. II Peter 2:12 But these (carnal mind) as natural brute beast, made to be taken an destroyed, speak evil of the things they understand not.... Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beast...The only mammal (beast) that buys and sells is a man. Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom (hath killed her beast). Let him (wisdom) that hath understanding (of the Spirit) count the number of the beast: for it (the beast) is the number of a man (all mankind)....The angel told John not to seal the book. Revelation was just as relevant in Johns (To-day is the day) as it is (To-day is the day). The day (one day) of the Lord that was prophesied by the prophets has been going on now for 2000 years. The beast (all mankind) is judged in Christ ( Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire) and the beast was thrown alive into the lake of fire (Christ), All mankind will eventually be judged in Christ. Gods grace be upon us.

1 John 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil

John 3:3

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Acts 16:31

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

John 3:5

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not

John 3:6

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

John 3:7

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again

John 3:8

"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

1John3:12

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous

Jude 1:11

"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

Jude verse 3 plainly states that the FAITH was once delivered unto the NT saints , this is the Doctrine of Christ and of the Apostles.

Nothing more is needed .

2 Timothy 3 . 16 Confirms this .

My question is where is the Trinity doctrine found in the bible ?

This is the actual teaching and importance to follow the teaching .



Who said it in the Bible .

Yes we know that Jesus is one with the father . As he said he came from God , the Son of God come in the flesh . and never sinned as a man . He was the first of His kind , . That's not my question.

Thanks I will wait .

J. Reid from Canada :),

T. Levis from USA

This is a hugely debated issue within churches 4 sure.

John 13:34-35

Romans 16:17-18

2 Timothy 2:14-15

If there isn't a rapture could it be the cause of a great falling away?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

Revelation 6:8-11

GOD be with us all who believe, love & trust HIM, to strengthen, hold, protect & keep us faithful

Jude 1:24-25

John 10:28-29

Genesis 5:21-24

2 Kings 2:11

Mark 16:19

Acts 1:6-9

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Mathew 24:37-46

I hope these are helpful

James 1:14-15

Jude 1:3-25

James 1:1-15

Just to add a little to discussion:

Personal experience it is like to many new believers it's learning everything again but better.

I thought just the other day about this issue.

Like learning to talk, eat, walk & act all over again, in the Spirit

Like not going places that cause sin before, not saying hurtful or offensive words etc.

Mathew 25:31-46, Mathew 7:15-24, Philippians 2:4-15, Jude 1:21-25

God made a new covenant with Israel, it replaces the old .

Hebrews 8 verses 6 - 10

Hebrews 10 16

Hebrews 12.24

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant and to the blood of sprinkling , that speaketh better things than that of Abel .

The commonwealth of Israel is Old Testament and New Testament saints .

Ephesians 2.12

Saints are found in the New and Old Testament .

Saints is another name for Gods Children Israel

14He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD.

5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.

the only people that made a covenant with the Lord is Israel

For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

In verse 2 at the end of the verse it says " the faith was once delivered unto the saints ".

When did this take place ?

Jesus taught the 12 apostles and before and after his crucifixion .

Judas was replaced before Pentecost . The qualifications for the replacement was that He and not she had to witness Jesus from the time of Jesus Baptism by John the Baptist to Seeing Jesus alive from the dead .

These men received the One and only completed faith . The Holy Spirit help in the understanding as Jesus left to be at the Fathers right hand . The Holy Spirit continues to this day to help us understand the written complete faith found in the New Testament . There are no revisions or add ons to the Apostles doctrine found in the books of the Bible .

The doctrine should be very precise not a matter of vague interpretation , of which leads us to many denominations etc and room for heresy to breed .

2 Timothy 3 v 16 , 17 It's all provable in the Bible . Since the apostles passed on evil men have made the faith many things . But the one faith remains in the scriptures , and with the Holy Spirits teaching you can find it and be assured of it ! God bless you as you seek the truth that sets us free from deception .

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Wesley's Notes for 2 Peter 2:4

2:4 Cast them down to hell - The bottomless pit, a place of unknown misery. Delivered them - Like condemned criminals to safe custody, as if bound with the strongest chains in a dungeon of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgment of the great day. Though still those chains do not hinder their often walking up and down seeking whom they may devour.

People's Bible Notes for 2 Peter 2:4

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned. In order to show that judgments on these wicked teachers are sure, Peter cites examples. Even angels when they sinned were subjected to punishment. But cast [them] down to hell. The sinning angels were cast out of heaven. The word rendered "hell" is not Gehenna, but Tartarus, a Greek term used for the place of future punishment. Delivered [them] into chains of darkness. "Pits of darkness" (Revised Version); possibly dungeons of darkness gives the idea. Compare Jude 1:6 Both passages point to a time when angels sinned, fell, and thus became angels of darkness.

Was Simon the brother of Jesus Christ that helped him carry the cross to his own crucifixion

Raymond Quijano,

I hear you loud and clear and completely agree.

I will do my best to keep God's calendar and not the ridiculous Gregorian calendar that has everyone fouled up.

The Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea Scrolls gives us the Solar Priestly Calendar.

The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.

The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having preached against them ( Jude 1: 14-15).

Sabbath days remain constant on the Enoch calendar in relation to the spring equinox; but they will rotate on the Gregorian calendar.

Enoch lived 365 years (and possibly .242)

The spring equinox is the great equalizer of the calendar and is the leap day that rectifies the calendar every year (day 365.242), look at (Ps. Ch. 19)

March 20, 2020 (sunrise to sunrise) was the 365th day of the solar year (the day of the spring equinox), making March 21, 2020 the first day of the first month of the New Year (and the 4th day of the week)

The 364 day Enoch solar calendar runs off the 365.242 day solar cycle

When does the day start? Look at ( Gen 1:16, 18, 19:33, 34, Ex. 10:13, 16:22-27,

We are specifically commanded to use the SUN as the sign for days, Sabbaths, months, years, Sabbaths of years, jubilees, and feasts, and for all seasons of the year.

The LUNAR cycle for the year is 354 days

The Enoch solar calendar is 364 days (+ 365th and day of spring equinox)

The moon is to be for light upon the earth at night ( Gen. 1:14, Psalms 136:9, Jeremiah 31:35), for seasons ( Psalms 104:19), and for a witness to the covenant of David ( Psalms 89:37).

The ONLY calendar that can reckon Daniel's 70 weeks is the Enoch calendar.

Chris, Book of Enoch worth taking a look at.

The 7th day Sabbath that I try to follow generally concerns 1) No servile work 2) not buying or selling / 3) resting 4) doing good works 5) honoring God.

3 and 4 I try to do every day.

I realize that I could be totally wrong about all of this. I don't think that God will fault me for trying though?

I am in the favorable position of being able to adjust for the (generally) yearly shift of the 7th day due to the Gregorian calendar.

Just as our birth day shifts every year, why would people think that the 7th day or the 1st day or whatever day they

follow would not change also?

More information concerning the Book of Enoch:

Paraphrased from Wikipedia:

The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.

The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having prophesied against them ( Jude 1: 14-15).

Various Aramaic fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Koine Greek and Latin fragments, were proof that The Book of Enoch was known by Jews and early Christians.

This book was also quoted by some 1st and 2nd century authors as in the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs.

Judaism- Although evidently widely known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, Enoch was excluded from both the formal canon of the Tanakh and the typical canon of the Septuagint and therefore, also from the writings known today as the Deuterocanon.

One possible reason for Jewish rejection of the book might be the textual nature of several early sections of the book that make use of material from the Torah;

Verse 4

Verse 10

Verse 18

Verse 19

Verse 25

Read the whole book this is so prevalent today , Adultery in the church ! And guess who is responsible. These false teachers.

Chris,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions as well as your thoughts on the matters being discussed.

I would tend to agree with most of your thoughts concerning being saved. But I look at it from this point of view. Those that are predestinated, and chosen, and accepted, etc such as Abraham, Enoch, Moses, etc. are saved because God said so, as many of the verses you offer supports. We have examples of them throughout Scripture (whether they wanted to do the will of God or not i.e., Jonah or Saul / Paul). And I agree, it is only Jesus and God that truly know you are saved, man does not. Neither God, nor Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit, has revealed to me that I have been chosen, or have become acceptable, etc

I would like to believe that I have been predestined, and already saved through my steadfast belief in The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I feel very blessed throughout my lifetime.

I want to believe that I have an unshakable faith that can withstand all the horrors that can be inflicted upon myself and my family and my friends.

I realize that I have had to fight for none of the religious freedoms I currently enjoy.

I have never been truly tested; life or death to be a Christian; as in other parts of the world today.

I feel as though I need to contend every day for the faith that was once given unto the saints ( Jude 1:3).

I pray that I can withstand the fiery darts of Satan if and when the time comes.

I know that if the end times weren't shortened by Christ Himself, even the elect would not be saved ( Matthew 24:22).

Hebrews 6:9 concerns the hope / confidence / trust that the beloved in Christ will not falter; but for those spoken of in Hebrews 6:6 that were once enlightened, and have now fallen away; Hebrews 6:8 is their final end.

One who is a believer is born of the Spirit.

What does ordained to this condemnation mean

Genesis 1:10 KJV(10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

God called the "dry" land Earth as the meek shall inherit the earth. The dry, meek heart shall be dried of the waters of strife as they will humbly hear the opening up of His mouth that will teach us. He will open up the Scriptures to our hearing ears and we are to take heed on how we hear for we shall be given more.

Matthew 5:2 KJV

(2) And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Happy are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth as they shall hear HIs teaching humbly. The "dry" heart shall be dried of all evil and evil speaking....the waters of strife. God called the dry land "Earth" for the meek shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 5:5 KJV

(5) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

But the gathering of the waters are people who will resist what they hear and don't understand as the "raging waves of the sea" foaming out their own shame as they speak a multiple amount/superfluity of evil words in their envy and strife. The wicked shall not understand Him as the "blackness of darkness" is reserved for them.

Jude 1:13 KJV

(13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

The wicked are like the troubled sea when it cannot rest whose waters cast up mire and dirt (as they will speak multiple evil words in their contention of His teaching). There is no peace to the wicked.

Isaiah 57:18-21 KJV

(18) I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

(19) I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.

(20) But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

(21) There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Job 38 tells us the Sons of God shouted for joy at the creation of the earth. Adam did not come until 6 days AFTER the creation of the earth. So Adam could not have shouted for Joy before he was in existence. So the Sons of God of Job 38 must be angels., unless Adam shouted for joy before he existed.

Believers do not become Sons of God till they are born of the Spirit in the New Testament. Adam was called a Son of God since he had no earthly mother and Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. Angels are not THE SON OF GOD, they are Sons of God.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

After all who was the FATHER of the Angels? think about it.

God tells us He never called an Angel His Son we are all Sons and Daughters equal in Christ Jesus and Adopted by God yes like The Godhead our roles are different but God has no favorites. Jude tells us the Angels sinned the same as those in Sodom and Gomorrah Verses 7-8. Deuteronomy tells us who Gods Sons were who had relations with these Woman. yes we need to read carefully Gods Truth in Scripture but not with Man or Woman's understanding but with Gods Wisdom.

Rom 10:17-So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Living: 2Co 5:7-(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Rom 1:17-For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Praying: Jude 1:20-But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Action: Here are some more faith scriptures for you to read and study. God Bless!

James 2:1-26 and the whole chapter of Hebrews 11.

Isaac - You want the book of Enoch edited by Charles as the other one is occultism in nature. That is the one most Christians show interest in. It can be found online and some booksellers have it.

The text of the Book of Genesis says Enoch lived 365 years before he was taken by God.

He was considered to be the author of the Book of Enoch and also called Enoch the scribe of judgment.

The New Testament has three references to Enoch from the lineage of Seth ( Luke 3:37, Hebrews 11:5, Jude 1:14-15).

The Book of Enoch is considered to be a historical book and was not canonized into the Bible.