Discuss John 5 Page 47

There is no rapture. Paul stated in 2nd Thess. we will not all gather back to The Lord until after the 'falling away' aka the tribulation of the antichrist. Jesus indeed said we would be going through the tribulation in Matt. 24. The two witnesses (Smyrna

The Bible doesn't mention "Rapture" but Paul says we shall meet in the air which he said would comfort us. Don't go there but vs 47 which calls us to learn the whole Bible. Jesus' word is mostly in parables which people mostly misinterpret. It is not given everyone to understand. But God spoke plainly to the Fathers. No one mentioned Rapture. But they plainly spoke if Spirit. Read Moses.

Rom. 11:26 - As far as Israel being or not being saved, Paul very plainly says they will be. But this is after the Rapture when Jesus turns again to the Jews, and after the trib.; It will be during His millennial reign - and THEN after that- the GREAT WHITE THRONE judgment, and then - ETERNITY.

Rom. 11:1-5; God has not cast the Jews away; He's only 'set them aside' until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (the Rapture). Even now any Jew can turn to Jesus in truth - Jesus' truth, the Word of God, not man's word.

jesus is the pool now if we read john 5 every day is like going to the pool everyday

I John 3:6- whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not, whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him. V.8- he that commit sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 1 John 5:18,- we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not, but he that is begotten of God, keepeth himself, and that wicked one touched him not. Jesus has the power.

Martha: but whom say ye that I am? Thou art The Christ,The Son of The living God. Blessed art thou,Simon Barjonah:for flesh and blood hath not
Revealed it unto thee,but My Father which is in Heaven.Matthew16:15-17
The Son can do nothing of Himself but what he seeth The Father do/V:30
I can of my own self do nothing:---I seek not my own will but,the will of The Father which sent me. John 5:19,30.

Seeing the Bible's words fulfilled in every part of the earth shows how true it is. In every way, shape, and form people are being oppressed around the world. Human rulers are following after their leader. (1 John 5:19) That is why Jehovah God's government is being promoted by his people to show that there is a government that is pure

John 5:4 The Lord said that He spoke to the crowds in parables because they were not able to hear the Word any other way. We also know, that it was never in any man to take the first step to make peace with God; but God first loved us! In this way He does and speaks in many and diverse ways to all of us, as we are able to hear; and then according to how we "hear" He makes us according to our ways.

"For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had." How many ever think about the many and diverse ways which God spoke to the fathers in times past?or about all the many other things Jesus did, which could be written about? or the things spoken in parables?

@Bruce...the scripture you gave John 5:7 was well said but you didn't finish the scripture. You left out: "And these three are one"! Sounds like one God to me!
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Irene: For there are three that bear record in heaven, The Father,The Word,and The Holy Ghost---1 John 5:7( sounds like Trinity) They have always been. They are the us,in:Let us make man in our image---Genesis1:26. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us---John1:14./ And washed us from our own sins in His own Blood--- Revelations1:5

1 John 5:18-19; We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not. But he that is begotten of God keepeth himself and that wicked one touched him not. And we know that we are of God and the whole world lieth in wickedness. We must realize the scriptures are true and alive. When we see a fault in ourselves, we talk to Jesus about it and ask Him to cleanse us from that fault. Talk to him all day.

Rick:V:26 let us make man in our image---. 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost:--. I never heard of three gods? Is 1John 5:7 saying there's a Trinity in heaven keeping record and they are the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost?

We must not forget that the main focus of the Bible is Jesus Christ. God chose Abraham not because he was the greatest saint though he is the father of the faithful but because of God's grace Gen. 12. For by grace are we saved Eph. 2:8,9. By making Abraham a name and him a blessings to the families of the earth mainly through Joseph and Moses in Egypt delivering them God made his own name Great.

The Abrahamic covenant was made with Abraham, Issac and Jacob. After the cross, a new covenant was made. The Israelites were promised the Savior, and that was why Christ was sent to them first, to let them know their Shepherd had arrived. When He gave His life on the cross, all races, kinds, etc. could be saved if they believe on Him. The 'Jews' are not Abraham's children. Read John chapter 8.

God's 'chosen' people. God chose Abraham and his seed as His people. Because Abraham was the first to have faith COMPLETELY in God (God called him 'friend'). Noah, altho' was righteous before God, he 'fell' after the flood; Abraham never did. The faith Abraham had was in his genes and his teaching to his family. In Isaac shall thy seed be called. It's just the way it is; it's of God.

@ William, that is because they are not of God as He stated in John ch. 8 v. 44-45:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

God is more concern about establishing a relationship with people than rituals.

You right Jesus is God. 1Tim 3:16; Isa 9:6; John 1:1; 1:14; John14:7-9 Father is a title, son,a title, Holy ghost a title. Look at the word name if it was three it would of said names. Also Acts 4:12; We read all in Acts about baptism in the Lord Jesus. Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. 1John 5:8; Deut6:4; 1John5:20 God will open up your understanding to the scripture if you will allow

I cannot understand how we can study verses 36 to the end of chapter 5 and read what Jesus is telling the Jews and yet have people assuming they're the "chosen" people. Just as in chapter 8 He's telling them that they can never understand the word of God that's given to the true Israel. At verse 43 He tells them; I know you and you have not the love of God in you! A horrible incrimination!

The Holy Spirit is Jesus. In Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said in the NAME. These 3 TITLES have a NAME. Lets look at the scriptures for the NAME. In John 5:23 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

From the man being heal at the waters of Bethesda we can learn that no one need ever say that "I have no man" to help me, because we all have the Son of God, Man of Holiness to help and save us all. And He is ever calling unto us to "come" and He will heal us of all our infirmity if we be have faith and try to follow His ways and keep His commandments. "for faith with out works is dead.

Verse 25: Christ speaks of the dead hearing His voice, 26: He speaks of the father having life in Himself, and has given he Jesus life also in Himself, 28-29 Christ speaks of the graves being opened or the resurrection of the dead. We are created in the image of God, Christ His son was given a mortal and resurrected body. So thus the Father like wise has a physical and spiritual body.

It would seem from vs 29 that Jesus is basing his judgement on works done. Paul on the other hand says not of works so that any man should boast. James says faith and works he combines Jesus and Paul in his formula.there seems to be three different formulas to heaven

Praise Jesus Christ! Our LORD and SAVIOR! Save all us sinners from our own demise

Verse 17 shows that God has kept working and so has Jesus. We should be hard working in imitation of them.

What I discover from reading John 5 is 'Tradition Vs new faith in Jesus Christ and what the Spirit of God is saying to the churches'

You are right on track with the Word oh Saint and do what the Word says to do. Focus on accuracy. Trust Abba Dad through Christ our Blessed Lord

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