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Hi Gigi; I understand you are trying to quote Job 38:7 please read it with me, Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJB the morning stars here refer unto angels and the sons of God refer unto human beings. Therefore; this text is speaking about after man and angels were created, not before they were created. God never calls angels sons of God Hebrews 1:5 Knowing you must be a human being to become a son of God, like Adam Luke 3:38 or like Christians John 1:12 I believe the bible is revealing the angels were created after mankind, as in Genesis 2:8-9 as Adam was watching God create the trees from the garden of God, this was done after God created trees already on the third day and after he rested on the seventh day, meaning this word tree is metaphorical and are the angels, as the prophet Ezekiel reveals in 31:8-9

Hi K; I have read what you wrote, and I must confess, I have very little faith when it comes to transliteration bibles, I prefer the King James or the Septuagint. In the KJB Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The question from this text is when could the morning stars sing together, knowing that these are the angels, with the sons of God, knowing that these are mankind. Please note Hebrews 1:5 God never calls angels sons of God, first let me say, only a human being can become a son of God, Read Luke 1:38 Adam was a son of God, then compare that statement to John 1:12 only Christians can become sons of God, or compare that to Romans 8:14, only Christians who have matured enough to be led by the Holy Ghost, can become a son of God. Do not allow yourself to be deceived by false teachers or books, like the book of Enoch, which is heresy, stating it rained in the days of Enoch, more than 300 years before it rained in the bible. So I believe Gen. 2:8-9 Angels were created in front of Adam as the metaphorical word, trees. This is explained in Ezekiel 31:8-9

You are highly blessed. I too have infirmities that are yet to be healed. I prayed hard and like Paul, we wait upon the Lord. Meantime we work as we can and share what we have. One day we will be made perfect. Just rest in His love. Trade begging to praises. These scriptures are how I cope.

2 Corinthians 12:9

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Hebrews 4:16

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

John 1:16

And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

1 Corinthians 15:10

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

** Philippians 4:11

Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever "state" I am, therewith to be content.

Mishael

1 Timothy 6

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

This is what every country is experiencing. The Bible says that it will 'wax worse and worse.' Your faith needs to be strong in what the New Testament teaches on these Last Days before Jesus's Return.

The unsaved will be in these comment rooms preaching their heresies. They are reprobate. Don't listen to their rants.

1 Timothy 1:9-10

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for THEM that defile themselves with MANKIND, for menstealers, (HOMOSEXUALITY) for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.

See also: Romans 1

And 2 Peter chapter 2: 10-19

But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

1 John 1:6. If we say that we have fellowship with Jesus, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth;

Mishael: the prayers of a parent on their knees, praying for children, can effect MIRACLES. Learn Ephesians 6. The enemy is invisible, but the personality is open for all to see.

By bringing us the word , he expected us to not fall prey to the deception, that'll be supporting the anti- Christ,.. that we all seek knowledge threw prayers an repentance,..

Even if an officiating minister of God fell into sin, the same Blood of Jesus shed for all is efficacious when we acknowledge our sin & we confess it before the Lord (1 John 1:9: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."). And that is not just confessing our sinful state, but in sorrow confessing that we have wronged our Father & maybe hurt others badly; for in Christ alone & by His Sacrifice "we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins" ( Colossians 1:14).

However, I believe that his position of pastor/priest & living in adultery, becomes untenable - he would need to resign & also confess his sin to his congregation. If he maintains his position & not leave, I suspect that his congregation numbers would soon dwindle, at least by those who know the Word & would be subject to hypocrisy by his continuing as a leader. All sin is evil in God's Sight; how much more should God's servants be circumspect in every area of their lives ( 1 Timothy 3:1-7).

Hello Marilyn

Jesse has explained this well.

No human has ever seen God in His true essence, which is Spirit. God dwells in unapproachable light, so when He manifested to men He would surround Himself with things like clouds, pillar or fire, etc. because any sinful human cannot see Him and stay alive. This has to do with His absolute holiness and that He is as a Spirit is invisible to our mortal eyes.

Jesus, however, is the eternally existing Son of God as well as fully human. Prior to becoming Jesus, the Son of God was in the Father's bosom, meaning they were One unity though each a distinct person. They, along with the Holy Spirit existed in this Triune Oneness eternally before creation, and are still unified forever. The difference now is that the Son is still Jesus, God and Man. So, Jesus, the Son, knows the Father and has seen the Father from all eternity. They at inseparable in their unity but also distinct persons from each other. So all three persons in the Godhead eternally view each other in love and adoration. They have eternal fellowship, unity of will and all share the divine essence that no one else in all of creation has, complete, infinitely perfect eternal Life. All the Persons of the Trinity possess this divine essence maximally, infinitely, and communally.

Thankfully, God's eternal plan and purpose in creation is to share Himself with a creation who chooses His salvation in His Son, Jesus. Without Jesus, no man could ever be acceptable to have communion with God. I am very humbled when I consider the greatness and magnificence of God knowing I cannot comprehend so much about Him, but I can know Him within the limits of my creatureliness and be richly blessed and satisfied in all He provides for me in this life and more so in the next .

Marilyn,

It says in John 1:18 that no man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The word begotten in the Greek text means unique. The only one who is in human form that represents God, the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.



That is quite a statement! It is the relationship of the Word to the representative of God to man. First of all, nobody has ever seen God at any time. Nobody! The only one, (the only unique one) who has come from God, who is in the Father's bosom, (another word of equality), because He and the Father are one as He tells us in John 10:31.

He, that is Jesus Christ, He has declared God. The word for declared is EXEGESITO. That is where we get our word exegesis from. An exegete is somebody who takes something apart and declares in detail the facts about a subject.

There are the three principles being taught about Christ: in existence, in equality, and in essence.

In Existence: The only begotten Son Existed in the bosom of the Father.

In Equality: Bosom of the Father means that He is one with him.

And thirdly, In Essence: Jesus is God in human form.

In other words, if anybody wants to know about God, they go to Jesus Christ. He is not just a prophet. He's not just a rabbi. In the Christian faith and Biblical Christianity, He is God in the flesh, 100% God, 100% man!

Hope this helps!

In the text it says the one and only to mean "only begotten". The scripture mentions that the Spirit of God genetically put into Mary his seed. The offspring would have been holy his name is Jesus. He is the sacrifice that takes away our sin once and for all. Acts 2:38 shows us how to receive his salvation by the one who was given the keys to the kingdom. This is the only sure way to salvation.

I find the first chapter of John interesting but would like some clarity on verse 18.

Just my suggestion but begin with the New Testament starting with Matthew to Revelation. Take your time and sometimes re-read a chapter as sometimes it becomes clearer when you read it the second time.

Matthew 5:3-18, John 1:1-14, John 14:6, Galatians 5:22-23

Luke 1:5,6, Zachariahs a priest & Elizabeth daughter of Aaron, walking in "all the commandments & ordinances of the LORD & blameless." Exodus 28:1, books of Leviticus, Luke 1:8-10, Luke 1:13, It was this John. Luke 1:13-17, (Read again Luke 1, awesome revelation :)

Then knowing John the son "of priests, blameless " would declare such a thing is Powerful, maybe that's why the "teachers of the law" were so._._. Matthew 3:1-17, Mark 1:1-11, John 1:1-34,

I thought it interesting that Jesus being related to the Priest was significant Luke 1:36,41,43,

Luke 1:48 Mary likewise with Elizabeth (& John lept for joy) felt not worthy even before Jesus birth.

To add to discussion hopefully this is welcome

Hi Louis.

For anyone to come in the presence of God he has to be perfect, Perhaps this is why no one has come in the presence of God and lived. That is what Christ came to through the work on the cross. Hebrews 10:12-17.

It is the spirit that work in you after conversion. Philippians 2:13. Philippians 1:6.

We are to be in agreement with the spirit and bare the fruit produced by the vine. John 15:1-8.

Anything that is done in the flesh and not through the influence of the spirit is not accepted, Your works will be tried by fire. 1 Corinthians 3:11-17.

That which is done in your own strength lacks the ability and authenticity to please God, but the spirit gives life to this fleshly nature captured in these sinful bodies. Romans 8:5-14.

It is important for a Christian to not attempt to ad to the finish work on the cross. ( We should acknowledge the works we do adds nothing to your salvation, that's been taken care of you can't loose it.)

In our walk we will stumble: 1 John 2:1. 1 John 1:7-10. Let's not loose sight of Philippians 1:6.

God bless.

All scientists seek to explain FOUR QUESTIONS: Time, Force, Action, Matter. (Even Steven Hawking)

I was reading in Genesis, the Holy Spirit stops me on verse 1. He said the 4 things

TIME: in the beginning__God set TIME ticking

FORCE: The Godhead created. (Father, The Word ( John 1:1) and Holy Spirit

ACTION: and the Spirit of God MOVED over

MATTER: earth, waters, atoms

God purposed, Word spoke: Light Be, and there was Light. (Purpose Spoke Light)

Carbon dating proves earth is around 2-3 billion years. SATAN was around but he's a created being. He cannot create dinosaurs, cavemen or anything other than chaos.

My personal theory is: Romans 1:19-20. God put the artifacts in earth for us to find; oil for our cars, coal to be warm, fresh water for us and salted water for creatures.

We have to pray for scientists to see the Book of Romans. It's an occupation, as is archaeology, bio science, medicine. We are without excuse if we refuse to acknowledge The Godhead.

I caution you, not to teach your ideas to Gods baby Christians.

There are many, many more scriptures all over the Bible about creation; not just in Genesis.

I think we're all going to be in heaven watching God restore earth to BEFORE mankind messed it up. 2 Peter 3; Malachi 4:1

I've always thought some of the best stories are in chronicles, Kings, Samuel__Nehemiah. There's lots in Jeremiah. We just can't seem to like ALL parts of the Bible. Revelation 22 is key.

I don't want to show up in heaven, and meet Habakkuk and have to say: "sorry man, I never got to your book" :/

See, if you teach that man existed before Adam; that's called OLD EARTH THEORY. It's heresy.

Let's all remember that Malachi 3:16-18. God has a Book of Remembrance that writes down what we think and say about Him. How wonderful to bless His Holy Name!

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to Jesus.

God lives outside of time and inside of time.

Romans 1 says that if we dispute the evidence of the reality of God; we are without excuse.

I'm not debating this. It's for whomsoever Will believe God is. Can the clay say to the Potter, " what are you doing?!!

A good REFERENCE Study Bible (KJV)with a "center column reference cross scriptures" is very God for cross reading other relevant passages. It's the best.

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John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT"S sake those days shall be shortened.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect (Church/Bride) according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;



Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the (bride) say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

I can't disagree with what you've written Jim, particularly those individual quotes from Scripture. For truly Jesus' coming was in God's Mind at that earliest time in the first man & woman's lives. He was symbolically the spiritual Rock that supplied life-giving water to Israel, as He is also the Giver of that Living Water to all who believe. And He did become the Man Jesus at His Birth as He could also say that He would ascend to His Father & your (Mary's) Father.

The problem becomes evident when we rest only on those individual Scriptures & not look at all the Scriptures that speak of Him. I realize that you did, a few days ago, give your understanding of John 1:1-14, which I can't locate again. How then do you view John 8:58, John 17:5, or even Colossians 1:14-17, to name a few? What you write to us, we can readily agree to, but it's the Scriptures that are not taken into account, that makes understanding a difficult doctrine, one-sided. If these 'other' Scriptures were not given to us, then truly we must believe that Christ came into Being at His Conception in Mary. The examples of verses I've given above would be very difficult to read in any other way than given. Here are Truths that we can't avoid - they, together with His coming as a Man, must fit together so that we can properly understand Who this Jesus is (at least as much as is revealed to us).

Hi Jim, the Bible says Jesus is God in John 1:1. It clearly says the Word is God and in John 1:14-18 it clearly says who the Word is also says the name Jesus Christ. Even if someone ignored all the other verses in the Bible about Jesus being God and only chose this one instance, it would be pretty hard to refute. Truth isn't complicated. The Bible says the Word is Jesus and the Word is God.

There are verses saying Jesus was a man, because he WAS a man temporarily. Jesus has always been and made all things as it says in John 1:3.

Have you prayed and asked God if posting your denial of Jesus's divinity in a public place is something He wants you to do? Has He placed any feelings in your heart about this?

Hi Jim. I've stayed out of this part of the thread, as GiGi has been responding very well to you. I believe you understand when we say that "Jesus is God", meaning He is the Word of God Who proceeded out of the Being of God ( John 1:1-14) & in His Flesh He was named Jesus ( Luke 1:31,32). Jesus is not a separate God, but the manifestation out of the Being of God, Whom God had sent forth into the world. And many Scriptures have been cited by GiGi & others supporting our understanding of Christ's Divinity, just as we fully accept Jesus as the Son of God, in His Humanity & in His temptations.

But I'm here actually to ask, why is not a problem for the 'non-trinitarian' to accept that God can send out His Spirit? I'm believing that you don't have a problem with this declaration of God's Power. I've never, as yet, heard any true believer question that there is no such act of God of both sending forth His Word to become a Man & also of sending out His Spirit to "reprove the world of sin, righteousness, & judgement" (& the indwelling of believers). Some seem to accept that God can send out His Spirit but not His Word & clothe His Word with flesh for the suffering of death. If I were to reject the Deity of Jesus, I would have to also reject the flight of the Holy Spirit from God - for it is the same God Who sends Himself out to fulfil His Will. If I limit God in reforming His Word into flesh, how can He possibly empty Himself of His Spirit - then He would cease to be God in Heaven, or at least highly deficient.

Even if I'm unable as a man to dispatch my spirit to accomplish a work 1000 miles away, should I limit God in His Power to send forth both His Spirit & His Word? When I approach such a difficult doctrine as the Triune God, I can only get some degree of understanding it, when I first reject my human perceptions & logic of what can be or can't be.

Jim

I am not sure exactly what You are asking. My comment to your post was in reference to what it seemed to me that You do not believe Jesus is God.

Titus 2:13 days that we are " looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ."

In John 20:28

Thomas said of the risen Lord Jesus "My Lord and my God" and Jesus accepted what Thomas said. He did not deny being God.

In Matthrw 1:23 Jesus is referred to as "Immanuel" which is translated "God with us."

John 1:1 says "On the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

And then in John 1:14 it says of Jesus

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

So this passage in John identifies Jesus as God in the flesh (the eternal Word)

Therefore the scripture say that Jesus is God, but he was also man, having come

In the flesh. He had two natures, a divine nature and a human nature, both on the one Petson of Jesus.

His nature as God cannot sin because God is perfectly holy and never changes in such qualities of His essence.

So I think I have answered your question.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to Jesus.

Hi Rick

You mentioned an apple and I would agree it just says the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The lamb I believe is different. Adam and Eve needed proper covering. They covered themselves with fig leaves. Fig leaves will not cover our sins. The lamb of God will. Jesus in John 1:29,36 is called the lamb of God. When the eunuch was preach to by Philip ( Act 8:32-35) the eunuch was reading from the passage in Isaiah 53:7. Philip preached unto his Jesus. Described as a lamb. When the children of Israel in Egypt were preparing for the passover so that the angel of death didn't kill their first born. A lamb was used. Exodus 12:1-14

When Abraham was taking Isaac to be sacrificed Isaac asked him where the lamb was. It must have been a animal used for burnt offerings.

Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.Abraham also believed in the resurrection. Consider Hebrews 11

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.Notice how important the promises are. What promises is he talking about? The whole chapter is about the promise.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Abraham as of today has not yet recieved the promise.

I'm running out of space. I'II have to start another dialog box to finish this.

Jesus is God Alimighty

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Matthew 1:23 KJV - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

John 1:1-3 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Revelation 19:11-16 KJV - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Colossians 2:8-9 KJV - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:

You may find what you're looking for in Genesis 1:1. In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.

Elohim is used in the plural form.

Genesis 1:26. And Elohim said, Let "US" make man in "OUR" image, after "OUR" likeness: The us and our being used here is embodied in the Elohim. They're not angels. Angels did not assist in making man but the word of God did!!

John 1:1-3. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Elohim is used throughout until you get to Genesis 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the "LORD God" make coats of skins, and clothed them.

After he made coats of skin from that day forward I believe he uses the covenant name LORD GOD "YHWH ELOHIM."

In Genesis 3:15. we come to the seed of the woman. That's a reference and title to the Lord Jesus Christ. The term itself is a contradiction Biologically and according to the Hebrew grammar. Biologically the seed is of the man. BUT JESUS WASN'T CONCEIVED BY MAN!! Jesus wasn't tied to Adam genetically. He was the 2nd Adam directly out of the bosom of the Father, meaning out of Everlasting. He's part of the Elohim.

In the Hebrew Genealogies the seed always referenced the man but Jesus Genealogy links directly to God. That's why it doesn't say seed of Adam.

In the Torah Moses referred you to him.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19.

Acts 7:37-38.

And this is how Jesus refer to himself,

Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

As Moses said, "Like unto me, Hear you him.

God bless.

Apologies Billy. I read your comment to Adam in a different way.

You're correct, Jesus' Name is not seen there in John 1:1-14, but who then is John the Apostle writing about? I can't think of anyone else that fits that description. John wrote about the Word of God: that which was with God & God Himself (v1). This Word was involved in creation (vv3,10) - notice John begins to use a pronoun (He, Him) describing this Word. In this Word was both Life & Light (v4). When John the Baptist arrived on the scene, he bore witness of that Light (v7). That Word Who was with God & was God, was made a man & lived the life of a man (v14). That Word came to His Own people but they rejected Him (v11), but those who received Him were made sons of God (v12). These are not separate accounts; this whole passage is consistent in its subject matter & implications.

This passage of Scripture is talking about God's Word. It's not about Apostle John or John the Baptist, or anyone else. The only Person Who could fit the bill is God's Word, Jesus Christ: He is the only One Who could be the giver of Life & Light & be the Creator of all things (also Colossians 1:15-17). He is the Only One Who could ask His Father ( John 17:5: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH thee before the world was."). He is the only One Who could state ( John 6:38: "For I CAME DOWN from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."). And He is the only One Who could tell the Jews ( John 8:58: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM.").

I always wonder how folk consider these verses that I've shared here. I'm sure Jesus is not lying to us by saying those things. Do people read those verses as I do or in some other way that I'm missing? Or, should we determine that since the incarnation is 'impossible', therefore all these Scriptures are meaningless? Even if Christ's Deity is hard to understand, we can't simply reject it.

Romans 1 is the one chapter that mentions GODHEAD. We cannot separate them. God, Jesus's Father

Jesus the Word that SPOKE creation into existence.

The Holy Spirit who performed it. He is also the Spirit of Christ.

GODHEAD. The scriptures that prove it.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to the HEAD, Jesus.

Mishael

No Billy. If you read it again, Adam was saying that Jim said, "that John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is God". Adam believes in the Deity of Christ.

Hi Jim,

Do you believe Jesus is Lord and died for you for the hope of salvation?

John 5:22-24 these verses might be interesting to read.

You said that John 1:1 doesn't say Jesus is God, but it does. I broke it down before, but it seems we are not on the same wavelength.

There are many verses saying Jesus is God in various ways, but no where in the Bible anywhere does it say Jesus is not God. Not only that but Jesus never once said He was not God. So, it seems unusual to arrive at such a conclusion with no evidence for it and with all the evidence for the opposite.

Have you carefully read the whole chapter of John 1?

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Since you don't think the Word is Jesus, who else do you think the Word is?

Who else do you think fits that description of being sent to earth in the flesh, to live among us, and to die on the cross for our sins?

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 3:28 John said "I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him."

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

That clear sign along with the voice made it obvious that Jesus was He.

John 1:29 John acknowledges it is Jesus: Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:36 "And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"

Do you believe Jesus is the Lamb of God as it says?

The next chapter Matt 4:7 Jesus is tempted and says to satan: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." There again Jesus refers to Himself as Lord and God. Do you agree?

Do you believe these scriptures?

Hi Adam

You said that John 1:1 says that Jesus is God. Jesus name is not mentioned in that verse at all. In fact nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus is God. (Jesus will be exalted by God.) Many times does it say that he is the Son of God. The expression "God the Son" is not found in the scriptures. The "word was God" is correct but it does not say Jesus is God. The word was made flesh is talking about the Lord Jesus Christ manifesting his Father perfectly. He is a manifestation of his Father. If he were God why is he not called God the Son? The passages I showed you showed his reliance on his father.

You mentioned that I didn't comment on all your passages. I will try to do that. Gen 1:26 Nowhere is Jesus mentioned there. You are saying that's what it means. Gen 11:6-7 Again Jesus is not mentioned in this passage. John 10:30 Jesus and his Father are one. Not a problem. Jesus doesn't say that he is God, instead at John 10:34-36 when he is accused of making himself God verse 33 he tells them to read Psalm 82 where the rulers are called Gods by God. If he was actually God then why didn't he say so? John 8:19 God is his Father. I believe that. It does not say that Jesus is God. Phil 2:5-8

Again Jesus not called God. In fact he is called a man in verse 8. Verse 9 God highly exalts him. 2 Corinthians 5:19 God was in Christ. Of course he was. The Holy Spirit was given to Jesus without measure. Jesus not called God. Consider 1

Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

We are told here that even our Lord Jesus Christ will be subject unto God.

Deut 6:4 and Isaiah 44:6 They prove my point. God is one there is no other God.

I'm out of space.

Thanks for your time.