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John HI There are different ideas or schools of thought on this, my understanding is GEN 1:1 God in the beginning created the

heavens and earth. To create biblically is to bring into existance that which never existed before. Now verse two carefully and the

earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the faces of the deep. An interesting point about the word was in scripture sometimes its italicised and sometimes it isn't and italicised words were added to original writings. Now the bible is Gods Word and can't or shouldn't contradict itself. In 1 john 1:5 we read GAOD IS LIGHTAND IN HIM IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL, also

in gospel of JOHN 10:9 THE THIEF COMETH NOT BUT TO STEAL KILL AND DESTROY [MAKE USELESS] THIS IS THE DEVIL OR SATANS DOING. Between Gen. 1:1 and 1;2 is where lucifer was thrown out of Heaven and cast down to earth and ruined original creation. Notice after verse two God didn't create until verse 21, between verse 3and 21 he said he he called he set he let so

he set back in order that which was originally there. In regards to replenish in the beginning there was life before Adam and eve

but the only thing that remains are fossils so we speculate on what that life may have been. Thats why God said replenish again

my understanding.

Great decision, to read throughout the Bible!!

Please start with : James 1:5,

It's amazing over many years of reading, rereading & studying, GOD can teach us something new every time. Hopefully you'll continue to read it several times.

Son's of GOD = Genesis 6:2, notice: Genesis 4:26, = John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1, 2

Job 1:6, Job 2:1, = notice the vrs. right before, Job 1:5, & right before, Job 2, Job 1:20-22, Revelation 12:10,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Bobby, here is Part 3

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Jesus had a brain that thought and reasoned and controlled his human body.

So this convinces me that Jesus indeed was both fully God and fully man.

So then I ask, why did God become a man?

In John 1:29, John the Baptist, upon seeing Jesus says, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

And Jesus, Himself, says ( John 3:15-17) "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved."

This tells me that Jesus became a man to take away the sin (all sin) of the world by being a "sacrificial lamb" and the one by which anyone can be saved from their sinfulness and the condemnation that comes with it by believing in Him.

Therefore, since He is Truth, I believe that He is the only one who can save me from my sins.

The Gospels tell me that Jesus told people that their sins are forgiven. Only God can forgive sins. So, if I want my sins forgiven, I must believe that they are forgiven by and through Jesus.

The next question I ask is: If Jesus came to take away the sins of others, did He have sins to be forgiven?

I must admit that God does not have any sin in Him, and if Jesus is God, He is without sin.

I am also told that in 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (NIV)

From this passage, I am told that Jesus never sinned, but to make us righteous before God, He became sin for us (in His death)

Before this verse, Paul says in 1Corinthians 5:14- 15 that Jesus died for all.

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"He who knew no sin became sin

Hello again Bobby

Part 2

Then we go to John 1:14-18 which tells us that the Word (spoken of in verse 1) "became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld

His glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (NIV)

This tells me that The Word spoken of in verse 1 is Jesus. This tells me that Jesus existed before He became flesh, being the Word of God and with God and is God.

So here we have the Word becoming a human person but still being God. Whoa!

But it says Jesus was full of grace and truth, so what is said about Him by John is to believed as true.

So now I know why Jesus was unique and singularly special. Well, then I ask, "What did He do to show His deity?

I read the accounts of His life and works in the Gospels and I find that He performed miracles that only God could do.

I find that He had power of demons, which only God can have.

I find that He expanded on the Law in the Sermon on the Mount that only God can legitimately claim to have authority to do.

I find that He was one with the Father and if one has seen Him they have seen the Father, which is a claim to be God.

I find that He was transfigured on the mountain with His disciples present to witness. Only God can have such glory.

I find that He said He had the authority to lay down His own life and to take it back up again. Only God can raise someone from the dead, and He said that He would raise Himself from the dead.

I find that He predicted His death and resurrection ahead of time and it happened just as He said, even being in the grave for three days before rising again.

Then I ask, how do I know He was human as well as divine? Again I go to the Gospel accounts.

He was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit, grew within her and was born as a baby. He had flesh, bones, and blood. He grew and matured, He ate, slept, got tired, was able to be injured, and die. He did all of the things that humans did and had a body made of matter, DNA. -continued

Good afternoon, Bobby.

You will probably get many responses that vary somewhat. That is o.k. I think there is a link of this site that is How To Become a Christian.

Part 1

For me, I have often tried to write down what it means to believe in Jesus and found that it has broad and deep meaning.

Foremost, in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 gives the essence of what the gospel is:

Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and He was buried, and that then He rose again on the third

He was seen by Cephas (Peter), then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over 500 brethren at once...

After that He was seen by James, the by all of the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also...

In this passage, we are to believe that Jesus Christ did die for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead and was seen

by many eyewitnesses alive after eyewitnesses saw him die and be buried.

To believe this is to accept as fact and wholly true of Jesus Christ.

But then, I ask myself, what is it about Jesus, (besides rising from the dead) that sets Him apart from any other spiritual leader in all of history?

For that, I go to John 1:1-4

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. he was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life and the life was the light of men." (NIV)

This verse tells me that Jesus was the eternal Word who existed with God and was in fact God. He existed before anything was creed with God and He is the Creator of all things. This also tells me that He was both God and with God, telling me that God is a Godhead, consisting of more than one person in one God. (I wish I knew what the Greek words used here for with God and was God so we can distinguish what two persons are being spoken of here in this verse.) But, when it comes to believing in Jesus, it does include this, that He is God. Whoa!

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Dear Mae (love your name)!

You have received some helpful comments already, but I wish to add these thoughts prompted by reading your question and the replies:

First, In my mind, a rephrasing of your question may be helpful. Are you saying that yes, we are saved by faith, not good works, but are good works still important in the life of a believer?

To this question, I would answer. Correct, we are saved by God through His outpouring of grace by faith gifted to us by Him. And, yes, good works are important in the life of a believer. They are, as Jessie states, the result of the working of the Holy Spirit indwelling in us after conversion. Yet, I will add, in order for the Holy Spirit to cause us to abound in good works, we do have to use our will and actions to cooperate with the Holy Spirit to allow Him to work in us and through us.

If we yield and cooperate with the Holy Spirit (which is a choice to walk with the Spirit) we will produce the fruits listed in Galatians 5:22. The Holy Spirit does not take over us and force us to do good works. He creates in us a desire to love what is good and hate what is evil. He creates in us a deep desire to obey like Jesus did, who never sinned. Our natural body, mind, and soul all work with the Holy Spirit to do these good works. It is the sinful nature in use that works in us to tempt us to do evil works.

We have both the Holy Spirit and the sinful nature in, it is a constant battle within us to choose which we will allow to reign in each action, thought, and motive brought forth in our mortal, natural being. With the indwelling Holy Spirit, we have the power of grace to overcome sin in any given moment and choose God's way. But, even so, the sinful nature is still within us and we give in to it at times. In these times, we are to do what John says in 1 John 1: to confess to God that we have sinned and ask for forgiveness, knowing He will always forgive us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

John 1:51, Luke 24:51, Mark 16:19, Acts 1:2, Acts 1:9, = Jesus was taken up

There appears to be multiple men with that name: Luke 6:16, Acts 15:27,32, John 14:22, Matthew 13:55, Acts 9:11, Acts 15:22, Acts 1:13,

A guy also from Galilee = Acts 5:37,

Matthew 27:5, Matthew 27:4-10,

It's best to study, keep reading, keep studying

Hi Linda The beatitudes list a number attributes or qualities that people need for God to make himself known. Now

to litterally see God i take you togospel of john 1:18 where it says no man hath seen God but His son our saviour hath

made him known. Also in John 4:24 God is spirit thats why His gift when born again is holy spirt.

Dear Donna, I pray that God gives you safe, anxiety-free travels and that your test comes back negative for cancer. Donna, if you are a born-again Christian, your sins are forgiven; ask Him to forgive you each time you have sinned, and for the sins you've forgotten and the ones you aren't aware of committing--and move on in the joy of 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hi Suze, John 1:1 tells us that Jesus is God and other verses say He created all things.

Verses of Jesus accepting worship:

John 20:28

Matthew 28:8-9

Mark 16:1

Matthew 2:11

Matthew 21:9

John 12:13

We are also to obey Jesus:

John 8:31

John 14:15

John 14:21-24

John 15:10-14

1 John 2:3

Hello, John chapter 1 explains and answers all these questions:

John 1:14-15 reveals that Jesus is called the "Word."

John 1:1 says "Word was with God, and the Word was God." this means that Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.

John 1:3 says "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." This means that all things were made by Jesus, and without Jesus nothing was made.

The common misunderstanding is that Jesus temporarily came to earth and while fully God, became fully man and appeared to allow Himself to be limited as a man. So, most people analyze His behavior as a temporary man and draw assumptions from it: like how can He pray to Himself? etc.

John 1:9-10 - talks about Jesus, also called the "Light" coming to earth.

Philippians 2:6-7 - to me this means that Jesus wasn't concerned about His power being lessor or limited as a temporary man.

Luke 2:52 - Jesus put Himself in a position of a man to grow in wisdom and maturity.

So, all of your quotes are while Jesus was in a temporary limited state as a man on earth.

You wrote: "Inconceivable if he is God the Creator." It's not inconceivable because the Bible literally says Jesus created everything in John 1:3.

If this isn't convincing enough there are more verses saying the same thing:

Colossians 1:15-17

Hebrews 1:2

1 Corinthians 8:6

Jesus literally created you!

Hello Naseem,

Scripture tells us the unclean spirits/devils knew He was the Son of God, Matt. 8:29 Mark 3:11 Luke 8:27-28. Scripture tells us Jesus is the Son of God the only begotten of the Father, John 1:14. Scripture tells us Jesus the Son of God was before this world John 17:5 2 Timothy 1:9. Scripture tells us Jesus the Son of God was the beginning of creation Rev. 3:1. Scripture tells us everything was created through Him Col. 1:16.

Scripture tells us to confess Jesus is the Son of God, 1 John 4:15. Scripture tells us God gave His only begotten Son, John 3:16. Scripture tells us to believe God gave His only begotten Son, 1 John 5:10. Scripture tells us God was made known in the flesh through His only begotten Son same as creation was through His Son 1 Timothy 3:16 Col. 1:16.

Scripture tells us we have salvation and eternal life only in Jesus Christ, John 3:36 Acts 4:12 Eph. 4:12 1 Thess. 5:9 1 John 5:13 Scripture tells us we can only come to the Father through Jesus, John 14:6 1 Timothy 2:5.

Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets and died for our sins, and the only way that could be done is in the flesh, the seed of Abraham, Hebrews 2. He experienced temptation the same as you and me, Luke 4:2 Heb 2:18, He had a brain and a will, Luke 22:42 but He was obedient to the Father. We now have a high priest in heaven that lived in this flesh just like us, Hebrews 4:14-16.

Salvation and eternal life only by the grace of God through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ's perfect life in the flesh, His blood shed for us, and His resurrection. We cannot deny the divinity of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God that was before this world, but no creed, doctrine, or statement of faith can be placed above or added to that we must believe to receive salvation and eternal life if scripture does not tell us we must believe. Truth is in the simplicity that is in Christ.

I love this site and the brothers and sisters on it.

God bless,

RLW

Still take in mind:

John 1:1

GOD does not lie!

GENESIS 1:5;8;13;19;23;31

ALL Say, Evening and the Morning ; they were either; 1st day or 6th day.

Genesis 2:2 7th Day GOD Ended his Work and Rested from ALL his Work.

Genesis 2:3 It Says, GOD Blessed the 7th Day, and sanctified it: because he rested from all his work, in which GOD had Created and Made.

Like I said before,

Genesis 1:5 1 Day = Evening to Morning! So, a Day ====='s Evening to Morning! No, Matter how we look at it!

A Day Starts in the Evening and Ends in the Morning. Don't Gloss over GOD'S WORD!

Today, We go from Morning to Evening, as our Day! Think on this deeply! PRAY, about it! Go to GOD in PRAYER about it!

Then you have, as you say, Evening to Evening!

Is That what GOD's WORD actually says?????

RE - Read: GENESIS 1:5 And the rest I listed above...

YET, GOD says, Evening to Morning; are 1 day!

This is repeated in Genesis, refer to above; Book Genesis, Chapter 1 and Verses 5,8,13,19,23,31,

And Genesis Chapter 2:2; is your 7th Day!

Remember, GOD does not LIE!

There's only 1, who LIES and that's SATAN!

We are even told to test the Spirits! So, be careful!

Test your teachers, so they don't lead you in the wrong direction either!

Read the WORD, but also, LISTEN to GOD'S WORD ALOUD; BOOKS, CHAPTERS, and VERSES everyday!

Let NO MAN DECIEVE you!

HE WARNS US!

GOD BLESS to them who READS and HEARS GOD'S WORD now!

Because, we are told there will come a time, when we won't have either anymore!

GOD BLESS, PRAY, GIVE THANKS, PRAISE and Most of ALL GIVE GOD THE GLORY!

Theresa A. Wood

Yes, we are essentially spirits. But to live on this Earth that God has given us & to enjoy its blessings, God has given us a body (both for visibility & for being human). John 1:1-14 tells us that the Word was with God & was God - that Word was made flesh (human). John chapter 1 speaks of Jesus, God's Word made flesh, to fulfil the Purposes of God for fallen humanity. There was no other reason for such an 'incarnation', for the Word & the Spirit are eternally part of the Godhead & each member functioned as purposed by God.

God does not have a body. John 4:24, "God is Spirit". But God has manifested Himself in the flesh in Jesus, His Son incarnate. One disciple, Philip, asked Jesus, "shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us".

Jesus answered him, " Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

This does not mean that Jesus, in the flesh, looks the same as the Father, but Jesus' very works, His Life, & His Words, reveal the Person of God. So when we look at Jesus' Life, we are seeing the exact image of God, for how else can we describe the image of a spirit? Colossians 1:15: 'Jesus is the image of the invisible God'.

We are all spirits (our true essence), clothed with a body. Once our bodies perish, our spirits, which can never die, are released to live on into eternity. Therefore, Jesus had to come to give His Life for us, so that if we believe in Him, calling upon His Name, the Father seals us as His & receives us into His family. If we refuse Him, only punishment remains. How we respond to God's Love in Jesus determines where our spirits will finally spend eternity.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20*

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

{Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first.

Mishael

Naseem,

May these verses help to shine some light for you to understand that Jesus is in fact God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Here Jesus is speaking to the Apostle John in Revelation 22:13

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

There are three (3) entities in the Godhead. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Many people struggle with trying to understand this unique and very special relationship.

GB you

Thank You, Chris. I guess I'm just confessing my sins to all you good people because that is what we are told to do.

James 5:16

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

1 John 1:9

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Psalms 24:1, ._.The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell there in"

the Lord meaning.. Yhvh = translated, The proper name of GOD of Israel = Eternal 2. Jehovah 'Jewish name'

Earth = earth, land, nations, wilderness, world,

Exodus 9:29,

1Corinthians 10:26 "For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.'' the Lord's meaning 1. Supreme in authority, 2. Controller 3. supremacy, master,

Chris gave you great scripture but I want to point to the bigger more complete picture.

Ephesians 6:12, world = aion translated = an age, 1Corinthians 2:6, 1Corinthians 1:20,

John 15:19, meaning translated = kosmos= orderly arrangement, 2. The world including it's inhabitants, John 3:15-17, 1Corinthians 7:31,

John 1:10, 1John 2:16, Proverbs 29:2,

1John 5:4, John 16:33, 1Corinthians 15:24-28, John 17, 1John 3:10-16, John 9:5, 1Corinthians 6:2, Genesis 1:28, Luke 22:25-30, Matthew 10:8, Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 9:1-2, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:15-19

2Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21, Ephesians 6:10-18

Hopefully these are helpful in deeper understanding, you can also pray for wisdom, James 1:5,

We should study how we are part of the Body of Christ; and how we reflect His light through the Spirit. This is something like Christ who demonstrates all the attributes of the Father who no man has seen ( John 1:18).

It is necessary but painful here to come to a realization that these attributes only exist for those who are His children. It is VERY clear from such verses as Isaiah 66 that the wicked will indeed be seen by all in their judgment; so clearly the righteous will in their state as well. We see the Transfiguration indicating that Moses and Elijah were seen (although Elijah was translated). John 8:56 seems to indicate that Abraham was aware of when Christ came as well. To be absent from the Body is present with the Lord. ( 2 Cor. 5:6). The indication of our presence as Kings and Priests ( Rev. 5:10; etal) and the prayers of the saints before God seems to show an awareness among those in God's Presence and even about what is going on in the earth ( Rev. 5:8).

We see David also when his son died saying that he would go to him; but his son couldn't come to him ( 2 Sam. 12:23). This is another clear indication of eventual reunion with God's people.

What will be something to look forward to is that we will be without sin. Therefore; our relationships truly will be enhanced to a greater degree and not inhibited due to all the issues we have in this life. To truly understand this; we need to have a mindset of service toward Christ; and part of our reward is to see the results of those sacrifices in time and resources building one another up in the faith and supporting those evangelizing today to fulfill the Great Commission. We are all adopted children and part of that great cloud of witnesses ( Hebrews 12:1-2). We shall see Him as He is and be raised in incorruption ( 1 Cor. 15:42). What a glorious day that will be!

Agape.

Baptized: Matthew 3, Mark 1:1-11, John 1:6-37, John 3, John 4, Luke 3:1-23,

Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 9, Acts 10, Acts 16, Acts 19, Philippians 4:22,

Note; Luke 3:7-14, Matthew 7:21-27, Matthew 25:31-46,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

The first message the word of god said to me on october of 2008 is:

this is the word of god.

days later the word of god spoke to me and said:

have faith and believe in the word of god.

on november of 2008 the word of god spoke to me and said:

i am the lord thy god,

i am the word of god,

i am the just judge.

days later the word of god spoke to me and said:

never loose faith in the word of god.

in the beginning was the word and the word was with god, and the word was god.

john 1:1

In the East objects are carried in the bosom which Europeans "carry in the pocket. To have in one's bosom indicates kindness," "secrecy, or intimacy ( Gen. 16:5; 2 Sam. 12:8). Christ is said to" "have been in "the bosom of the Father," i.e., he had the most" "perfect knowledge of the Father, had the closest intimacy with" "him ( John 1:18). John (13:23) was "leaning on Jesus' bosom" at" "the last supper.

Our Lord carries his lambs in his bosom, i.e. has a tender, watchful care over them ( Isa. 40:11).

I truly believe the Lord had an angel walk your little one to your room. It's precious and terrifying.

My 4yr old and I were swimming in a creek on the 4th of July when he was 4. He was with the grandparents and he saw me. I was sitting in a limestone slide. He took off running for me as I let go and went over the little falls into 5' of water. I turned just in time to see him go over the falls. I pulled him up immediately but I saw the terror in his face. I wasn't going to let him be afraid of water. We sat on a raft by the bank until he quit crying. I said I will always save you when you fall. He was never afraid of water again.

Our daily prayers for our kids, go with them.

Especially these days we have to protect them from addiction to internet; no matter how much they protest.

This is more common than we might realize. Could be used of things that produce offspring (seed). Here are a few more examples of how the female gender is used. Galatians 4:26 "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all". 2 John 1:1 "The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth"; Revelation 12 also. I really appreciate the figures of speech in the Bible. It can really stimulate the mind.

Dear Giannis I am not going to address all your thoughts on this topic. The first one we can agree on is that we all say the scripture is true. We think we are differing in interpretation. The interpretation you are struggling with is the interpretation of people's lives. Why is man (that is supposedly sinning every day) capable of determining who is sinless and who is perfect). If you were living with Jesus would you have said he was sinless and perfect. Matthew 21:12 "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves," Would you have said He was "pissed off" , angry, lack of restraint, not patient or intolerant? I haven't see that many people that angry. Could you have rightly interpreted his actions to say he was sinless and perfect? He told his disciples "how is it that ye have No faith" and "how long shall I suffer you" (put up with you). If you were there or you here a person today say something like it. How do you measure that person. Steffen told the leaders (which we are to obey) "You do always resist the Holy Ghost". That sounds very proud and judgmental against authority. I wonder how many of us living today would have followed Jesus and if we saw him would we say he was a "perfect, sinless man". The only reason we do is because the Bible says he was. I differ from your view point about capability. Some scriptures Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 2 Cor. 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Dear Denise, I too have experienced what you're going through. In my case, the root cause was not doing His will, and as soon as I started denying myself I began to conquer in Jesus these feelings of worthlessness and disgust, etc.

Psalms 139:23, 24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 25:4 Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.

Bless you!

Hellow brother Doug

Let's read 1 John 1:8-10

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us"

The above says that we commit sins but we are given Jesus' Blood for forgiveness. So what does it mean "dead to sin" and "body of sin destroyed". Howcome the body is dead/ destroyed for sin and still sin? Since scripture cannot conrtadict scripture, I think it means that we (our bodies) are not living a sinful life (staying in sin), that is why it says " live any longer therein". There is a huge difference between one living in sin and one living a pure life but occasionally commit sins, so is given Jesus'Blood to be forgiven and his sin been erased. Hence his life remains pure

Lets see another Scriptute that is often misinterpreted because of a problematic translation.

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God"

If one takes it as it is written in English, he will conclude that believers cannot sin anymore after born again. But here John seems to say the opposite from what he said previously in 1:8-10. Why is this? Because the translation is not right. The greek for what is translated as "commit sin" actually says "committing sin", a continuous present tense ie a continuous situation. In simple words it says that believers cannot live a sinful life since the Word of God (seed) is in them.

Now let's go to our original argument. Has our nature changed when we were born again? My opinion is no. Simply through new birth and baptism in the HS we are dressed with God's grace to help us with our fight against sin.

But to be honest with you I still have some questions in my mind about this.. so we may talk about it later on

GBU

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

{Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first.

Sons of GOD defined = John 1:12, Romans 8:14,

Example = Philippians 2:15,

1John 3:1,2

I've understood it to be similar to Simon called Peter: Matthew 4:18, Matthew 10:2, different than Acts 8:9, & Luke, Acts 10:18, Acts 13:1, Acts 13:9, Acts 14:2, notice in Acts, the same book, there are multiple names referenced even a wind, Acts 27:14, Acts 27:8, Hebrews 11:18,

Matthew 1:6 Jesus called Christ, John 4:25, Luke 6:15, John 1:42, John 11:16, not Colossians 4:11,

Romans 2:17, Romans 7:3, same supposed writer as Acts , also Romans 9:26

Matthew 26:14, Luke 23:33, John 19:13, John 19:17, Acts 6:9, Revelation 11:8,

Revelation 12:9,

Luke 2:4, Luke 8:2, John 21:2, different than Acts 9:11,

Acts 1:23, Acts 9:36,

Colossians 3:15, 1John 3:1,

Hopefully these are all helpful in your study

Hey Clois,

I will try to keep it short; this is my understanding.

We see at the end of Revelation 12 in the original text the dragon is standing on the sand and the first beast comes up out of the sea (abyss/bottomless pit). In Revelation 13 the dragon (Satan) gives this beast his seat, power, and great authority to this beast, and he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. He is given 42 months = 1260 days = 3 years. There is also in the site of this first beast another beast with two horns, the false prophet.

In Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days the same amount of time as the two beasts (great tribulation) the image people are made to worship, the mark to be able to buy or sell, and the killings of those that reject, (the hour of temptation).

In Revelation 11:7-8 this beast that comes out of the bottomless pit kills the two witnesses in the "city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt," (Jerusalem). This same beast we see in Revelation 9 and Revelation 17.

In Revelation, there are three the dragon (Satan), the first beast, and the false prophet (the second beast). If we go by the description of antichrist the only place in the bible given by John in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 1:7 there are billions, not just one.

Hope this helps,

God bless,

RLW