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Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
1 John 5:7.
John 10:30, I and My Father are one.
Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together abut Him.
If you persist with trying to confuse people with Triune and Trinity, then you are opposing yourself.
Everyone here has the responsibility to search what we say. Is it scripture??
Quit being lazy and look this stuff up.
Mishael
Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:37
1 John 5:7.
John 10:30, I and My Father are one.
My favorite is Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together abut Him.
Mishael
They are virgins/undefiled.
Revelations 7
Revelations 14
Hope that helps!
Here are verses showing the Godhead speaking amongst themselves.
Different ministries, functions, but all three United in purpose. The LET US. From Genesis to the New Testament.
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22
Genesis 11:7
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
Acts 17:27-30
Please write these on the back page of your Bible. People ask this question frequently.
Mishael
Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then ARE YE are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
nothing about we "BECOME" or "SPIRITUAL SEED" it says ARE YE the seed of Abraham.
I believe Christians are the chosen seed.
Others want to believe those who deny Christ, who are ANTICHRISTS, are the chosen seed.
please prove to me the antichrists are God's chosen from the Bible.
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and well I believe him.
Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
2nd witness of Jesus in Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Jews are going to worship at the feet of Christians.
Did you know the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL?
Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
How can anyone tell me that those who have the wrath of God against them for rejecting the Son is the "chosen people"
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Looks to me that those who hear the voice of Jesus are true sheep or the chosen people.
Concerning Jesus and God being two separate entities.
Very well explained.
God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
John 10:30
"I and My Father are One"
The word "One" is the Greek word "hen" and is given in the neutral form of speech. This means that they are one in "essence" not one person, which would be in the masculine form of speech, and would use the Greek word "heis."
If the words of John 10:30 are to be taken literally, what do people that believe this do with John 10:29 (as well as ALL other verses, including the ones you mention)?
"My Father,which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand."
I suppose this means "I, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My hand."
And John 10:30 would have to read; "I and Myself are One."
Seems like a lot of explaining has to be done here for these statements to make sense if God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
And please don't try and say that Jesus is God in flesh. Again, the understanding of figures of speech must be taken account for.
I would not want to be in the unenviable position of trying to uphold a position as truth while I am denying proper grammar and plain Scripture that is using OBVIOUS figures of speech.
Not a page of the word of God can be turned without the use of Figures of Speech."
Figures of speech are a LEGAL part of English grammar that follow rules, not something that is arbitrarily used by the reader whenever he or she feels the urge.
Taking literal what God states as figurative and taking figurative what God is states is literal is a fundamental reason why people misunderstand the word of God.
The Godhead is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Here are verses showing the Godhead speaking amongst themselves.
Different ministries, functions, but all three United in purpose. The LET US. From Genesis to the New Testament.
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22
Genesis 11:7
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
Acts 17:27-30
Your understanding of scriptures represents you very well.
Mishael
"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."
1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Genesis 1:31
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
Psalms 119:107
"I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O LORD, according unto thy word."
Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
2 Timothy 4:1
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"
John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
John 20:29
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
1Cor 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
John 10:36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Luke 3:38
"Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."
The GODHEAD:
Father, Son, Holy Spirit
Acts 17:27-30
John 10:30
4 Events when the Godhead spoke to each other concerning a matter:
The "LET US" scriptures"
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22
Genesis 11:7
1 John 5:7
If your Bible has center of each page, columns; read the scriptures it lists for those verses. It widens the information, or sometimes mentions a prophesy. You'll discover many gems of wisdom that way.
Mishael
Yes, I have read John 10:30.
The word "one" is the Greek world "hen" which is neutral, and means "one in essence", not one person, which would be the Greek word "heis," which is masculine.
You have picked one Scripture out of the Bible to prop your belief up on without putting it in context, look at ( John 10:22-29).
Again, what do you do with all those Scriptures that says God and Jesus are two different entities?
John 10:30
To me, while there's some separation because of their names, it says they "are one" that means they are one and unified as a being or entity. Therefore Jesus is God too. He has the powers and checks all the other boxes of a divine being but is not God the father. I personally don't know how this verse can be interpreted any other way. In other verses it shows them unified with the Holy Spirit too so that's how people come to understand the concept of a trinity.
I and my Father are one.
John 10:30 - How do you interpret this verse?
John 1
Confusion around this topic isn't surprising as God can mean the father, the son, and holy spirit, or 'God' can mean just the father. Jesus is called Lord and the son of God and He prayed to God the father. Jesus has many other nick names too.
Do any of these verses influence your perspective?
>Then in fact if u get God the Father to say it
Yes, God is perfect and doesn't lie or sin. I don't understand what you mean by your comment. You can't trick or manipulate God into anything, if that's what you mean.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Bible book of
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews Then answered the Jews
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in
John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
The Holy Ghost is called God, Jesus is God and the Father is also.
Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to LIE to the HOLY GHOST, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto GOD.
Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible--
God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17 ..."This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus SAID in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one."
The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2, ..."Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them."
Genesis 1:26-27, And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him;
In the Old Testament, we find that God has a Son ( Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 2:7-12) and a Spirit ( Isaiah 40:13, 2 Samuel 23:2, Judges 3:10, etc.).
I Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
The Godhead and salvation.
The Holy Ghost reproves us, teaches us, guides us and testifies of Jesus Christ.
John 14:26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me:
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In addressing your comment mentioning that God would not properly be representing all races; I will state that God chose Adam and his lineage to bring forth, umbilical cord to umbilical cord, the Savior of the world ( Genesis 3:15). That promise by our heavenly Father made this particular lineage the most important lineage to ever walk on the face of the planet. All other peoples and nations mentioned in the Bible are only due to their interaction, good or bad, ( Isaiah 10:5) with God's chosen people and the nation of Israel.
We are all children of God, blessed by Him, and given freewill to believe whatever we want!
On a side note, you state that Adam and Eve were made "in the image of God." The PLURAL words of God stating "in OUR image, after OUR likeness" ( Genesis 1:27) is the intention of God to make the mortal features of mankind to be a physical reflection of God and the angels. We are to be a representative figure of what we looked like in the 1st Dispensation of time. We are an illusion of that spiritual body, but delivered unto these flesh bodies in order to be tried and tested by God by the very freewill He grants unto us. How could God the Father and His only begotten Son know us beforehand if the first time we came into existence was in these flesh bodies in this 2nd Dispensation of time? The answer is simple; God "did foreknow" ( Rom 8:29) each and every one of us because we were all there in the 1st Dispensation of time. The only One made in the true image of God is His only begotten Son ( John 5:37, John 10:30 John 14:7, John 14:9, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 1:15. The clear understanding that there are 3 heaven and earth ages can be found in 2 Peter 3:6, 2 Peter 3:7, 2 Peter 3:13.
Question If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?
that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists
in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.
Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand
Jesus in bible book of Revelation 2:9 says I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews
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pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL. (God's chosen people?)
King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
The United Nations in 1948 created that state, not the Lord, and the United Nations is openly satanic.
Their official publisher is Lucis publishing, originally Lucifer Trust.
I wondered whether to put my two cents in where it may not be welcomed, especially after the matter had been settled between you two, which is always a good thing, whether an agreement or not, I learned a lot by reading this thread, but it brought to mind that Scripture " John 10:28-30 (NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
My mother would drill that Scripture into my head, over and over, while I was growing up, "If you are truly His, NOBODY will be able to pluck you out of God's hands." Which was comforting to me.
I guess that's why I found this thread so fascinating, loosing one's faith verses eternal security, but I have to say, God knows the heart, ( Jeremiah 17:10)
I was saved at twelve, I remember it very well, I was saved completely, and read my Bible all the time, was zealous to the things of God, but through-out my life, I was never the 'perfect' Christian, by some in church today, but God loved me anyway, and for some strange reason, He has chose me to minister to those who are broken, in a world that rather ignore them, even in the church. I guess, there's a purpose for everything.
Now, back to why I decided to respond, you two are brilliant men of God, I hope and pray you continue to grow in the knowledge, grace, and wisdom God has given you, and not let a disagreement grow to resentment.
Thanks again for everything,
Etta
Jesus Christ is for believers now, their Great Shepherd, Who not only gave His Life for His sheep, but will one day come to gather them in a special way, into His fold to save them from the Anger of God that is coming upon the world, & to relocate them to a new "sheep pen", i.e. unto Himself in the New Jerusalem where we will be with Him & the Father forever.
In John 10:30, Jesus says, "I and my Father are one."
Verse 31 does not use the word Father because the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus for saying I and my Father are one.
The Jews understood the phrase "I and my Father are one" as Jesus claiming to be equal to God Himself. That's why they took up stones.
But did you notice that Jesus didn't deny it? He never said "Wait a minute guys, before you stone me, I think you might have misunderstood me." The Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant!
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
1 Timothy 6:18-19 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.