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what is the meaning of Job 1:8. why did God initiated the conversation

@ Thomas Hills, You need to renew your mind with God's written words, for God ways and thoughts are higher than your ways and thoughts. You have to be a doer of God's words, and not just a reader or hearer. Do Roman 12:1-2; a lot more. Submit to God, and the Devil, and his demons will flee from you. Cast away thoughts that go against God's words or thoughts that goes against God's written words, do 1 Corinthians10:5; more, and you have to rightly divide the word of truth anyway. Only Jesus can the author and finisher of your faith. Remember Job depended on God. With faith and love (obeying God) we can please God. Get a deep foundation in the word of God in the new testament books first.

Read Job 38 which tells you the Sons of God shouted for joy at the foundation (creation) of the earth.

Adam did not exist until 6 days after the earth was created. So how can the sons of God be godly men? Adam did not even exist to shout then.

since when do godly men marry ungodly women and then giants are born to them?

John 1:14 Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God.

Luke 3:38 Adam is called a son of God since God created him.

1 John 3:1 Believers do not become Sons of God till they are born of the Spirit.

So who was the Father of the angels? would they not be Sons of God also?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

I know most churches will argue with me and claim Genesis 6 is not referring to angels and I say they are wrong.

when do believers and unbelievers get married and have giants for kids? Goliath anyone?

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God IN HEAVEN. NOT ALL THE ANGELS ARE IN HEAVEN, some were cast out.

Chris,

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These are some very important subjects that you seem to be a bit unsure of. As I am sure you already are, we have to dig a little bit under the surface; that is where the hidden treasure is. If we do not understand what happened in the beginning, how will we understand what will happen in the end?

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man" ( Luke 17:26), also look at Isaiah 46:10, Amos 8:11, Matthew 24:37, 2 Timothy 2:15.

Since we have been discussing the first chapters of Genesis, I will leave you with this.

The sons of God are Angels, look at Job 1:6, 7. The fallen angels came down from heaven and mated SPECIFICALLY with the daughters of Adam, producing giants. The flood came not only to rid the earth of evil men, but to preserve the lineage from which Christ would come (due to the success of the fallen angels).

Satan was an angel. Eve was beguiled by Satan. The word "beguiled" means to be seduced (Strong's). What happened in the garden to Eve (and Adam) was the first attempt to blot out the seed line from which the Messiah would come, and was the same thing the fallen angels were guilty of during their second attempt. The punishment Eve (and the rest of womankind) would from that point forward endure had to do with BIRTH, look at Genesis 3:16; and the punishment Satan faced included a separation of his PROGENY from that of the woman ( Genesis 3:15).

I stayed up most of last night, being led through BIBLE SCRIPTURES, that back up what the teacher is teaching. It is painstakingly slow, And biblically SOUND.

I would not have even listened to it if it didn't have scriptural foundation. The teacher uses the Hebrew to explain the events that happened. I do not know why I had NEVER heard this expanded teaching before, at church, but I have now. I still have 3 hours to listen to!

Here are some scripture passages you'll want to mark for that study. At one point I just began to write all over the page margins :/

This may interest you to listen to it on YouTube later.

Genesis 1, Job 1:8, restoration of earth in Genesis,

Jeremiah 4;23-28

Jeremiah 4:26 Gods anger

Isaiah 24:1 Is pre-Adam; God turned earth upside down,

Job 9:1-9 earth frozen ball of ice

Revelation ch 6

Job 38. Science has proved the Bible is accurate;

Deu. 32:4 Gods work is perfect

Isa 45:18

Eccl. 3:11

Psalm 18:30

Genesis verses 6-9 restoration not creation

Genesis 1-2 earth not 6 thousand years old; it's billions, what science proved.

I had all the prophetic scriptures boxed; I just didn't know how the fit in. When it says former inhabitants and people's, those are the 1/3 angels that followed Lucifer.

Isaiah 14:17 20 spoken by demons to Lucifer

Satan was in hell when Adam was created. He was turned into a snake. Was in the garden Ezekiel 28:13

Ezekiel 28: 1-19 Lucifer>Satan

Lucifer went from Archangel/ covering Cherub. God>Holy Spirit>Jesus>Lucifer

4th in line to the throne. Isa.14:12

YouTube. WAR IN THE HEAVENLIES, by Benny Hinn. 5 hour teaching

Why do we need to put this together so we can understand it?? Because people ask questions. And..,it's very important to Satan. We need to know HOW he came to be loose on the earth; after Adam and after Jesus'S death on the Cross.

For myself and you, we have a responsibility to piece this together as it really happened.

Remember that study I did called, THEY'RE OUT, and WE'RE IN now. Romans 3:29

We're in till the fullness of the Gentiles is accomplished? Romans 11:25-26

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY, Lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that BLINDNESS in part, is HAPPENED to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (finished).

And so, all Israel Shall be Saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (The Jews).

That's why I say that Gentiles are IN now.

The whole thing is DETAILED in Romans 11:7-11. Please read it!! Romans 10:2 and Romans 11:12, 15, 18-22 READ IT SLOW

There are some warnings in there if you are a Gentile. No boasting, no judging, no smirking. Just leave it alone!!!! Keep your salvation secure. No hateful commenting.

They are blinded. Their ears are closed up by God. Their eyes have scales on them. Why?? For us Christians!! " The Election"

Romans 10:19. Deuteronomy 32:21. Our love for Jesus is supposed to make them envious. What a happy, cheerful, non- judgmental Jesus Loving Bunch we are?!?!

Yes they are into all manner of idolatry and occultism mixed with Jewish ritualism. It has to have a lot of emptiness in it, if God is not speaking to you.

IT could happen to us if we can't learn (from scriptures above) to keep our yaps closed. We are WARNED.

If one person yaps, another person does; soon the whole neighborhood is barking and no one is listening to God!!

I think God would love it if we would get over our self-righteous, judgmentalness. They probably don't even know they are OUT.

I will not speak on this again. I'm dropping this ball... you pick it up.



I made banana bread. Come get a handful.

We've been taught wrong. The bible teaches us the right way. Do the first and second commandment Jesus told us to do.

Chris and all, You mean Gen 4. Questions: According to the Genesis account, there were only 4 people on the Earth when Cain killed Abel. So, who was Abel keeping flocks for? 4 people? And who was Cain farming for?

In 4:13 Cain says, "I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and WHOEVER finds me will kill me." Who is he referring to if there were no other people alive at the time? In 4:15, "The Lord put a mark on Cain so no one who found him would kill him." The Land of Nod was named after Nod. Who was Nod? In that land, Cain found a wife and had children and built a city. Is it fair to assume his was not the only city?

On Job 1:12, we see how God instructs Satan on what he is to do to Job. It is clear from Satan's response that he did not have the authority to do as he pleased. If he did, why would he accept the limits God placed on Him? Why did he even show up to God? Did he just want to have a nice chat over Tortillas and Enchiladas? What did Jesus say to Peter, Lk 22:31, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail."

Did Satan ask to ruin God's creation? if not, why would he ask permission to go after Peter? Did he ask permission to go after Adam and Eve? When Jesus cast the demons out of a demented man, what happened? They asked Christ for permission to enter the pigs, Lk 8. See Job 38:33-35, "Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's e dominion over the earth? Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?

Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?"

Carlos, thanks for attempting to respond to my queries: you're a brave man especially as our responses can go all over the place! To your answers:

A. I don't have a problem of maintaining that Christ was already in God's Plan in Creation, as God, being God, already knows the future & His Plans for it. It's the other postulations that concern me.

B. Heb 10:5, speaks of the temporary, deficient & incompleteness of the sacrificial system & that only God's offering would accomplish God's Purposes. It does not speak of man being created to open the way for Christ to come & be his Sacrifice. And with Gal 3:16 & Rom 11:36, I can't see any connection.

C. Heb 2 & Gal 3:16: sorry, I can't see in these references anything about God having to create man so as to then send His Son for man's sake.

D. Rom 9:22-24. This shows that God was 'long suffering' towards 'sinners' awaiting the time He would show His great Mercy towards them. I don't see in this that God supported evil (i.e. he partook of or gave His assent to evil, so as to accomplish His Purposes).

E. Job 1:12. God allowed Satan to test Job's faithfulness & conviction, not in bringing Satan to test Job.

Mt 4:1; Lk 4:2. Ditto. Again, Satan approached Jesus, not brought to Him by God.

Eph 3:10, 11. The theme of this begins in verse 3. It was about the "mystery of Christ". And what was it? In verse 6, "That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs (with the Jews), and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the Gospel." "And this mystery would be made known to all men (v 9) & to all the heavenly host (v 10), as well as from the Church's existence & testimony of this mystery, of God's manifold Wisdom". I've added words here, only for clarity, as in the original the intent is unclear. Of course, with any addition, comes another interpretation, so I leave this open.

So Chris, with respect to your questions, listed below, I offer what follows.

A. Was Christ in God's initial Plan of creation? Titus 1:2, 2 Tim 1:9, Rom 8:17f, Eph 1:4, 3:10-11, Isa 44-48

B. Did God create man so Christ could come to save him from sin's penalty? Heb 10:5, Gal 3:16, Rom 11:36

C. Why create man? Did God of necessity have to create man? Heb 2, Gal 3:16

D. Does God support evil to accomplish His Plan? Rom 9:22-24

E. And what about Satan? Did God put him in the Garden to tempt man? Genesis 2, Job 1:12, Matt 4:1, Lk 4:2

To A: I don't think anyone can argue that Christ was not in the initial Plan of creation, given Jesus created all things. Titus 1:2 and 2 Tim 1:9 are unequivocal. The Plan of Redemption was drawn up before anything was created. We can legitimately conclude from that, that the coming of Christ in a human body ( Heb 10:5), was intentional. Redemption was not offered in reaction to the Fall. Jesus prayed to the Father to, "glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed". 1 John 5:20, John 1:18.

If all things were created for the sake of Jesus ( Col 1:16), doesn't it seem obvious that Jesus was part of the Plan of Creation? There is no indication in Scripture that Jesus was an afterthought? In these verses, we are told that Christ's incarnation was in the original blueprints, before mankind was created. Acts 2:23 Eph 1:4.

What did Jesus mean when He stated in John 8:58, "Before Abraham existed, I Am"? Keep in mind that it is Jesus speaking. Was He simply saying He is God? Or was He saying He as Savior existed before creation? That is, Christ existed. Not Jehovah existed. Christ existed and He is God. John 1 attests to that. In John 17:24 Jesus says God loved Him before creation. Loved who? God loved God? No. God loved Jesus, the Savior.

Rev 13:8, 17:8 also reveal that prior to the Fall, the names of the saved were written in the Book of Life. What's up with that? Jesus came before the Fall.

Chris, on Page 1 & 2. Thank you for your response and for continuing the conversation. I like controversy and ambiguity in a discussion, because it allows you to explore further and examine yourself and the substance of your beliefs.

That said, you have correctly outlined my points in page 1. They are, as you summarized:

1. All things have been created for Christ

2. The Future does not exist

3. The Future is created by God, for His Purpose

4. We are not the object of creation, Christ is

5. Corruption was an inevitable consequence of creation

6. God created to eradicate corruption

In Page 2 you ask and I cite some Scriptures:

A. Was Christ in God's initial Plan of creation? Titus 1:2, 2 Tim 1:9, Rom 8:17f, Eph 1:4, 3:10-11, Isa 44-48

B. Did God create man so Christ could come to save him from sin's penalty? Heb 10:5, Gal 3:16, Rom 11:36

C. Why create man? Did God of necessity have to create man? Heb 2, Gal 3:16

D. Does God support evil to accomplish His Plan? Rom 9:22-24

E. And what about Satan? Did God put him in the Garden to tempt man? Genesis 2, Job 1:12, Matt 4:1, Lk 4:2

In Ephesians 3:10-11 Paul opens a window so we can get a glimpse of why God created mankind. It was to make the Wisdom of God known to "the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms". That is a lot to absorb. And how was that Purpose accomplished? Through Christ. In 1Cor 4:9, 15:50f, 1Pet 1:12 we see that our human existence is only part of what comprises the Mystery of God's Purpose, which includes more than just us. Nevertheless, everything hinges on humanity. So, for the Purpose of God concerning all of creation, Christ came into the world. There is a war raging in the spiritual realm, we know nothing about.

I'll try to address your questions A-E in the next post. They are complex and not easy to answer. But I will try. What I want everyone to keep in mind is, as Rom 11:36 says, all things were created 'from him and through him and for him are all things'.

Care to learn true holiness hearken here Isa9:5 Dan 9:7 let me and GOD set you free !!!!!!! From their confusion and Jesus's Mark 10:18 and John 13:13 he says none is good (lies) proof Gen 6:9 . Job 1:1.6.8.12 also note Job1:6 sons of GOD

Read Job 38 which tells you the Sons of God shouted for joy at the foundation (creation) of the earth.

Adam did not exist until 6 days after the earth was created. So how can the sons of God be godly men?

since when do godly men marry ungodly women and then giants are born to them?

John 1:14 Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God.

Luke 3:38 Adam is called a son of God since God created him.

1 John 3:1 Believers do not become Sons of God till they are born of the Spirit.

So who was the Father of the angels? would they not be Sons of God also?

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

I know most churches will argue with me and claim Genesis 6 is not referring to angels and I say they are wrong.

when do believers and unbelievers get married and have giants for kids?

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God IN HEAVEN.

You know in Job 1:6-12, satan stops off at Gods throne and asks to trouble Job till he curses God. This indicates that satan can afflict Christians. He has a will and uses it. That's Old Testament and we live in New Testament now. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father making intercession for the Saints. He is our Advocate, counsellor,etc. We need to be talking and listening (prayer) to The Lord.

What are we listening to TV, radio shows, Facebook, Twitter etc. None of them preach a word to save a soul; heal the sick-anything. Your faith is on life support and you think God is allowing problems launched at you. Turn off the World and Tune into God. He is your Life support. Jesus is too

Actually in Isaiah chapter 14:12-16, satan says I WILL 5 times!

God is not destroying people's lives. One of satans other names is: DESTROYER. And he is the ACCUSER of the brethern. Revelation 12:10, Job 1:6,12 and Zechariah 3:1

Part of our problem is that we do not trust God. We think he does all the painful things. Like why is he allowing satan to get near us? Hear that accusatory question? Or, why doesn't Jesus just heal everybody? Why does bad things happen to good people?
There is the WILL of God. God gave free will to mankind in the garden of Eden. Satan has a will too. He's not going to do anything good with it. Read Job 1. He's defeated. Intercede for loved ones.

Some times it helps to introduce the faith people to the world like job

Actually in Isaiah chapter 14:12-16, satan says I WILL 5 times!
God is not destroying people's lives. One of satans other names is: DESTROYER.
Pass it on. He is the accuser of the brethern. Revelation 12:10, Job 1:6,12 and Zechariah 3:1

Part of our problem is that we do not trust God. We think he does all the painful things. Like why is he allowing satan to get near us? That's that voice of the ACCUSER. Another name of satan... or, why doesn't Jesus just heal everybody?
Something I do is read all the red scriptures in my Bible. I wanna imprint what Jesus does, what he says. Something really happens to your perception. He doesn't argue, debate or nitpick.

Biblical fact: Job had SIX daughters. We are told the names of the youngest 3.

Actually in Isaiah chapter 14:12-16, satan says I WILL 5 times!
God is not destroying people's lives. One of satans other names is: DESTROYER.
Pass it on. He is the accuser of the brethern. Rev. 12:10, Job 1:6,12 and Zechariah 3:1

Part of our problems is that we do not trust God. We think he does all the painful things. Like why is he allowing satan to get near us? That's that voice of the ACCUSER. Another name of satan... or, why doesn't Jesus just heal everybody?
Something I do is read all the red scriptures in my Bible. I wanna imprint what Jesus does, what he says. Something really happens to your perception.
Get rowdy when the accuser shows up.

Son of God
"The plural, "sons of God," is used ( Gen. 6:2, 4) to denote the" pious descendants of Seth. In Job 1:6; 38:7 this name is applied to the angels.

I don't know. If Satan wasn't here to temp us we could all live a pure life as Jesus wants us to live.

That's a good question and the Bible doesn't seem to offer a clear explanation of that. It says Satan will be destroyed in the end. In the meantime Satan shows evil in the world, a clear contrast from good. Makes good and evil easy to distinguish. So perhaps that is utilized in a sense for people to choose who they want to follow. Why do you think he exists?

Adam why does God allow Satan to exist?

The story of Job is difficult. It wants us to believe in certain Godly behaviors which contradict all that we have been taught.

Part 3: In Job 1:6 the angels sons of God were congregating, along with Satan and his angels. We know it was off-world by the language used visiting Earth, up and down it, etc as angels are only beings capable of interstellar travel not men. Also read Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" which ties-in verse 7 "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes".

Material possessions? Servants were killed, animals were killed and all 10 children were slaughtered! Are you reading the same story?

I met he doesn't want to be WITHOUT God for eternity.

Did I blame God for the death of my Babies No I was still believing I came from an Ape and He was made up but He has assured me I will be United with them in Heaven which I give Heartfelt Thanks for. What the others have shared here has much Truth Thomas but I have heard others say simular to you even Believers but to have Heart Understanding we need God's Wisdom which we ask for Prov2:1-7 - Annie

As promised Thomas I'm going to share how our God of Love brought Good out of Satan's evil. In the early 70s I was the first Woman to have an Ultrasound for Pregnancy they were trying to save my baby and find out why I and other Woman were loosing their babies. What they found out has saved 1,000 of Babies all around the World, it's a Blood disorder called The Rhesus Factor. Thomas God Loves You.

Thomas in referance to Children being killed I had 7 Children 3 were Stillborn the others died at almost 5 mths gestation God is Love and Love cannot do evil Satan is evil and cannot do Good God brought Good out of the Evil that Satan afflicted on me and on other Pregnant Woman I will share how soon God has also filled my Heart and Arms with Children all my Life I have Wonderful Joyful Memories