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Thank you for you quick response.

May I Ask another question please?

How come there is no mention of Saran having access to Heaven in the New Testament (other than Revelation perhaps)?

Hello Margo. One cannot comment with great clarity or certainty on a matter that is contained in a couple of chapters in Job. From what I read, it appears that Satan did have access to Heaven, as he did on these occasions, but was he allowed right into God's Presence or was his access limited? We know that he is still a spirit being so movement on Earth or in the heavens is not limited. But God does set bounds for spirit & human beings, so it may well be that we can assume this here also.

In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.

How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).

Job 1:6

A friend referenced this verse indicating that when the sons of God (i.e., Job) came to present themselves before the Lord ... and Satan also came along.

Might you know where this meeting took place? Was it in Heaven?

My church buddy says that the meeting may have taken place in Heaven and that if Satan came along, then Satan has access to go to Heaven. Is this true?

In addition, she says that if Satan is present in Heaven or when he has access to Heaven, and He is evil and full of sin, then does that mean Heaven is no longer a sinless place where no evil exists?

I need to clarify this line of thinking because that's new to me.

I appreciate your time on this. Thank you, Margo

Hello, maybe your following assumption is at the heart of the difference: "In the fact that Satan is the God of this present world makes him omnipresent he is in everymans Seed"

Is your assumption true and will scripture validate or invalidate this?

Job 1:6-12 - this says satan has limited power.

John 12:31 - Jesus calls satan prince of the world.

These verses don't say he is omnipresent or in anyone's seed.

What verse do you use as your source for your seed belief and what makes you so confident in this that you're willing to spread around this information to convince people that this is true? What if it isn't?

There are some things indicated in Revelation which are past; present and future ( Rev. 1:8). In God's perspective; things have been predetermined; but often there are repeated cycles of progression until the final end determined. Such is the fate of Satan and his minions. Originally; he would have been Lucifer ( Isaiah 14); and would have praised God after the creation with all the angels ( Job 38:7). His fall was due to pride over his beauty. Also; as Ezekiel 28 elaborates; he was involved with trade and violence (verse 16); which could have shown how for an indeterminate amount of time he was establishing some sort of kingdom on the earth while still holding a heavenly role as worship leader.

Thus; Revelation shows a point where Lucifer had found the massive group of coconspirators; and then God's judgment finally took effect. He was not able to rule and reign anymore designated as the music worship leader and whatever else the original position God created him for entailed. The book of Job indicates in the first couple chapters that Satan still would stand before God during the heavenly council meetings; and spent most of his time walking "to and fro through the earth" ( Job 1:7). As the accuser of the brethren now; He has no more hold on death since Christ's redeeming death on the saints. This allowed the rightous souls of the O.T. saints to be released (captivity taken captive) in Eph. 4:8 as prophesied in Psalm 68. He is still the prince of the power of the air ( Ephesians 2:2) which is the atmosphere above the earth. When we get to Revelation 12; we see how Satan and his angels are thrown down to earth and even stomped on likely by Satan himself ( Daniel 8:10). Satan only desires glory for himself; therefore any other false religion and the one true one is destroyed. Hence; he and his minions prepare for the Psalm 2 suicidal massacre attempting to fight Christ Himself at His return. He is put under the earth until final judgment in Rev 22.

Ed, WHAT IF:

A parable is hidden inside the physical creation describe in the first chapters of Genesis?

We know from the parables in the new testament that we are the garden of God (garden of eden).

The tree of THE KNOWLEDGE of good and evil was in the midst of the garden (we are the garden).

THE FRUIT of the tree IS KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

This same KNOWLEDGE exist in the FATHER and the SON.

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like ONE OF US (gods) to know good and evil ....

Psalms 82:6 I have said. Ye are gods: and all of you are the children of the most high.

WHAT IF? Through TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE you are being created in to THE IMAGE OF CHRIST.

GBU

Hello Ed.

Documentaries are not the True Word of God in Scripture. So, test everything you read,, see, or hear to the Word of God for accuracy.

Genesis 1:26,27, Genesis 2:7-9, Genesis 3:13-15, = Romans 16:20, Isaiah 53, notice Isaiah 53:10, Psalms 41:9, John 13:18, ( Gen. 3:15 )

Hidden gems of Prophetic mystery until Jesus fulfilled many. Luke 24, Luke 24:27, Revelation 12:4-11, Revelation 20,

I recommend reading the Bible & prayer, the movies aren't fully accurate, they seem to focus on the art, not Truth

In the garden of Eden when Adam & eve tasted the forbidden fruit because a serpent said it was ok, the serpent was punished to crawl the earth.

Watching a documentary showing a snake was the way to Jesus I'm so confused help me understand this meaning

Hello Whitfield. It appears confusing & contradicting when we look at 2 Samuel 24:1 & then compare it with 1 Chronicles 21:1. The first Scripture suggests that it was God Who incited King David to conduct this census, whereas the second Scripture tells us that it was Satan who was involved. I see this matter with David as similar to the encounter that Satan had with Job ( Job 1:6-12), where Satan came before God desiring to test Job's mettle. God sometimes uses or allows Satan to have his way with people for a variety of reasons; in the case with Job, to test his love & faithfulness to the God he worshipped & served; & in the case of King David, to test his trust in the power & sovereignty of the God Who was his delight. Job passed - David failed.

If it weren't for the 2 Chronicles reference, one could easily accept that God instigated David to sin; but God's Spirit saw to it that we would be clear in understanding this: that God allowed David to fall under the testing of Satan. And by David hearkening to Satan's voice rather than trusting in the Power & Will of God for him & all Israel, we see that David failed & allowed his desire to know the strength of his forces against his enemies rather than trusting that God can deal with any enemy with only a few men or even none. 1 Samuel 14:6, reveals this Truth, when Jonathan declared to his armour-bearer, "for there is no restraint to the LORD to save by many or by few." And it was this faith by Jonathan in God, that got him the victory.

Even with Joab, David's army captain urging him to not take that path to conduct this ill-considered census, David even disregarded his advice, rather gave into his own fleshly lusts, inspired of Satan, to disregard the power of God & to elevate his own power & prestige. So, in 2 Samuel 24:1, God's Anger was "kindled against Israel" & "moved in David", but I believe it would be correct to give much regard to Satan's initial work of inspiration to bring folly to the people of God.

Dear Dianne, may the peace and comfort of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you. May the Lord hear every prayer and supplication being lifted for you. I agree with Gigi and Donna's prayers for you.

Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. ( Matthew 10:29-31)

I'm so sorry to hear what you are currently going through, but I pray you will learn all you need to during this time. I believe the Lord has us go through trials to test our faith, and test our love for our enemies/those who despitefully use us. Even when the Lord feels far, He is right there with you. Stay even more faithful now than ever, and God will see you through, no matter what His perfect will and timing is.

If, for some reason it is God's will for your trial to be very difficult, please also consider Job and his powerful testimony as encouragement to stay faithful and humble during your trail.

Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,

And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. ( Job 1:20-22)

So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: ( Job 42:12a)

You are not alone. I've made a note of your request in my prayer journal and will continue in prayer for you.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. ( 1 Corinthians 10:13)

Pray always that ye enter not into temptation.

To God be the glory. Blessed be the name of our Lord.

The Bible is the inspired Word of God. It bears His Name.

Secular books bear their authors names.

Satan roams about wherever he wants to.

JOB 1:

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

However___ Jesus imparted His Authority and the Power in His Name, INTO HIS BELIEVERS. TO bind Satan and cast Him out of our lives, bodies, families, etc. He has to leave. Satan is not a human; and earth was created for humans. On the Cross, Jesus shed his Blood over his followers and the Earth. It ran down the Cross into soil of creation, and was redeemed.

That was why "a body Thou has provided". Jesus is the Son of Man; and the Son of God. He TOOK BACK the authority Satan had stole from Adam.

Jesus restored that Authority to His born again, Spirit-filled Believers. Male and Female.

So if your faith in Jesus is strong, you can send satan and his devils off world, to the deep parts of the earth. Be watchful because Satan goes about as a roaring Lion. Don't become complacent.

This is why I tell Christians to go sit in the car and pray these strong prayers so people in the home aren't frightened.

Remember__when you bind the devils, you are also to LOOSE also. Release Heavens blessings, ask for angelic assistance with your teenagers. ASK FOR WHAT YOU NEED. If the Bible is too mysterious, then ASK for the Holy Spirit to teach you the meanings (like Ephesians 6). That's why Jesus gave Him to us. Google His ministry to the saints; for quick study. Underline those verses in your Bible.

When you are sure that this works, teach it to someone else. That's also what disciples do.

Read some David Wilkerson books; or there's videos on YouTube. Try to hear Jesus's heart.

SONS OF GOD.

This is a term used as a direct creation of God.

There is only 3 in scripture that was created that bares this title

1) Angels.

Genesis 6:2.

Job 1:6.

2) Adam.

Luke 3:38.

We're not a "direct" creation. We're sons of Adam until Born again.

3) Those in Christ.

John 1:12.

We are a NEW creation in Christ.

That's why it's called a new birth. "Born again" properly translated, "Born from above."

With Adam being the first Man/Adam created, And then sinned, sin passed on to ALL Men, "Only if ALL Men came after Adam. The ONLY way redemption is available to ALL.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12.

To redeem, is to buy back!

When the Law came everyone in Adam spiritually died.

I believe physical death came by Adams transgression, spiritual death came by the giving of the law.

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Romans 5:15.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15:45-49.

If there were people created before Adam how can they be bought back when Adam transgression has no effect on them being they were never "In" Adam.

Note: Acts 17:26.

Genesis 5:1-2. connects Genesis 1:26-28.

and Genesis 2:7. and also cover the use of the name Adam used for both Adam and Eve.

God bless.

Take heed that no man deceive you.

The deception has been laid, what will we be spared? There is a difference between God's wrath, org meaning; anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance. and tribulation thlipsis meaning; persecution, affliction, distress. The beast will be given time to inflict tribulation on the saints in the world and overcome them, Revelation 13:5-7, as God gave Satan, Job 1:12 Job 2:6. Satan's last shot, because he knows his time is short, Revelation 12:12.

The adversary, with this deception, has manipulated scripture to have many believing the great tribulation and the wrath of God to be the same thing and will be spared going through it. This started developing in the 1700s, and what a deception, a beautiful picture of glorious colors of truth, masterfully painted on a canvas of lies. How many will be deceived by the miracles that will be done by the false prophet, Revelation 13:13-15, and fall away? Or those facing death, and who are overcome by the fear of death, take the mark.

A similar picture of what is to come has happened in the past. Decius/Decian persecution in 250 AD, a decree that Christians had to prove their loyalty to paganism and the emperor, ordered that sacrifices to idols be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate. It was a signed and witnessed certificate issued. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the emperor.

A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies thinking they could still be a Christian in secret. Others went into hiding. The Decian persecution was the severest on Christians at that time and the loss suffered by the apostasy (falling away). What is coming will be more severe and worldwide.

Did God spare them? If not, should we be? Have we exalted ourselves more worthy? Are you ready, praying that our faith shall not fail, even if facing death?

God bless,

RLW

So do I...

I love jesus

Son's of GOD = 1 John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1 John 5:10, Ezra 3:2, Hebrews 12:7, Revelation 21:7, 1 Timothy 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:2-3,

Jesus CHRIST the MESSIAH referred to the most as Son of GOD. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, etc.

Luke 3:38,

* Romans 8:14, * Hebrews 1:13-14,

I understand "Son's of GOD presented themselves before GOD" to mean= they prayed notice Job 1:5, "offered burnt offerings" then vrs. 6._._._ the accuser came, Revelation 12:10,

Genesis 4:26, Luke 3:38,

Exodus 34:2, Leviticus 14:11, Leviticus 16:28, 1 Samuel 10:19, Daniel 9:18, Luke 2:22, Romans 12:1, Jude 1:24-25,

I would present that the Don's of God in Job 1 are angelic beings, perhaps archangels, who answer to God concerning their activities.

In Job Chapter 1 verse 6 who are the sons of God and why did they present themselves along with Satan?

Hi Bro Man shall not love by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Bill,

In Job 23:12, it says "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips, I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food."



What really is necessary, Spiritual food, or physical food? We eat three times a day or more, plus dessert. How often do we eat spiritually and feed the soul? Very interesting!

In John 4:32, after the disciples brought physical food to Jesus, they said to Him, "Master, eat." Jesus answers and says, " I have meat to eat that ye know not of.



I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, where you are physically hungry, you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference! You forget about the physical hunger and you are no longer hungry.



The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting here is that remember the woman left her water pot behind.



Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.

Bill Meadows Job 1 Take a look at Jeremiah 15:16 talk about healthy appetites!

Did Job say that his spiritual food was more important than his natural food?

I am 63 now, never married, and had a girl friend for 1 month total in my lifetime. My mom disowned me two times in my lifetime and kicked me out of her house when she realized that she no longer needed me. And through it all, it has been my faith, my love, my trust and my personal relationship with Jesus that has sustained me all of these years. The Lord has said. never will I leave you and never will I forget you and He has said. My grace is sufficient for thee. And it is written. Draw closer to God in prayer and in the study of God's word and the devil will flee. it is Satan who uses the footholds that we given him against us. It is Satan who temps, teases and mocks us. Draw closer to God in prayer and in the study of God's word and the devil will flee. It is God who will sustain you as he has me if you give him a chance and trust in Him alone. never cease praying and the prayers of a righteous man avalieth much. God has also said never will I leave you and never will I forget you. And satan cannot snatch us from my Fathers hand. And submit all of your prayer requests unto the Lord. Remember Jesus has already gotten the victory or death, Satan and Satan knows that. which got me to thinking about what happened to Job. Job 1:1-22. Job did not blame God because it was Satan, not God who did all of these terrible things to him and His family. My Prayer is that you realize that you are not alone in your suffering and pain and that we all are assailed by evils and that no matter what happens in life you are Love by God, me, and others. Sincerely Yours, Pete Herrera

Neil Job 1 Both he had respect for God and reveranced [some times translated fear] him never blaming God for his problems and in Job 3:25 like all of us on occasion the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me and that which I

was afraid of is come unto me. So both

Was Job a fearful man?.evidence?

Hey Tony,

If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.

We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.

The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.

These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.

Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.

God bless,

RLW

Beloved child,

When this happens to me, I know the Shepherd is calling me to Psalm 23.

It's important to remember Job 1: satan sneaks around to find what we fear, or if we have all our armor on? There is now no condemnation.

Time to go to the pasture. You might just sit outside and look at the clouds in the sky like me, and whisper "even so, Come Lord Jesus.

Lord Jesus bless me with a fresh anointing as written in Luke 4:18.

I went to this church in Tulsa for 3 years and was sent home to care for my Dad until he died. Me and friend sat behind Carman every Sunday. :D

The Pastor in that video became Apostate. I was heartbroken. A year ago, Carman died. I refuse to stop praying for Carlton Pearson. The Holy Spirit showed me how it happened. I've never spoken of it.

Rest a little. Watch some Carman songs on youtube: I got the joy (pick the one showing the choir). Church was fun and I learned lots! Watch "resurrection rap" and some of his hymn songs.

M

Hello James Carlson, that's powerful. People suffer much from lies & much from believing lies. Your comment, speaks deeper into devastating "news" heard, effects from it. With wisdom you were shown this, insightful. I think it was a revelation to you personally & others that have been devastated by lies. The toll it can take on a person. However I agree with Chris, I think I would go further to say I think many loving parents would immediately run to their children to make sure the news was correct, to care for them even in death, cover them & give a proper burial, ect. Job was beyond average as a Parent in that: Job 1:5. He was very concerned for them to be right with GOD, that he would make sacrifice on their behalf. Like Earl, Gi Gi, mentioned, pointing to GOD's bigger picture of GOD's atonement for us through Jesus. That's probably why Job is sometimes called prophetic book. Interesting I hadn't seen that beforehand. Gi Gi, & Sacha have the most perfect point that it is most significant whoes report we believe, in that GOD says nothing shall harm you by any means. Luke 10:19. Knowing all things will work together for good._.._ Romans 8:28-29, Even in disaster & disastrous moments when we believe GOD, HIS WORD, HIS report we will be much better off in every way. Hebrews 12:26-29, we should not be as; Luke 21:26

Didn't read all comments, hopefully this is encouraging. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts & intellectual insight.

James What I gather or understand from Job is an example of the goodness of God and steal kill and destroy satan's only purpose also God wasn't being tried or tempted [ James 1:13 God can't be tempted neither tempt he any man ].

The word says in Job 3:25 for the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. In job 1:4+5 jobs children were feasting with each other all the time and job believed they were doing wrong to he point they were cursing God in their harts thus did jobcontinuously. His fear was so great from constantly believing that His children were doing wrong that it opened the door for the adversary to move. Fear is the exact opposite of believing because it putsus in a state of mental paralyses.