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No, I'm not Mormon. I've never read the book of Jasher. My beliefs are not Mormon. The only church I've ever been associated with is the Seventh Day Adventist church, of which I am no longer in association with.
This will be the final time I post here, and I truly mean this. The only reason I came back is because GOD gave me one last argument to present before I left this page for good. I felt obligated to present it to you because I care about Him, His word, and whether or not it is being represented correctly.
"The Sons of GOD" are not angels. Firstly, without your book of Enoch, there isn't any proof of this. One cross reference to Enoch in the book of Jude isn't enough to prove that the book of Enoch isn't a false book.
Secondly, I would like to direct you to John 1:12, which reads: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" KJV
Right there, in that verse, the sons of God are those who believe in Him. Just as I said from the beginning. Seth's bloodline were those who believed in GOD and stayed true to His word.
Still not convinced? After all, you might argue that humans become angels and therefore "sons of God" could still be referring to angels. This is a very common belief amongst Christians. I would like to tell you that this is also incorrect.
Take a look at Hebrews 1:13&14 KJV - "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right
hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"
In this text, Angels are described as spirits that were sent to minister for the heirs of salvation. The heirs of salvation are those who believe in Jesus Christ and are saved by Him. So if Angels are spirits that minister to the saved, then the saved can't be the same as Angels! Therefore, the humans becoming angels argument gets thrown out the window.
The Sons of GOD are those who believe in the LORD. Pure and simple. I'll take what the Bible says over ridiculous conspiracy theory that has absolutely no backing whatsoever other than a book of questionable authority and a few Bible verses taken out of context any day of the week.
Therefore, this shows the times of the Prehistoric Age.
There are devils; evil spirits; evil angels, who WERE God's angels, and thus 'sons of God,' who, along with Lucifer (now Satan,) turned from God, and fell from Heaven, and had sexual relations with some of the women of mankind, which women therefore had children by those devils.
While one may say that those children were half human; mankind, and half-devil, that's not the case. As, the ONLY thing human; mankind, about them would be their 'fleshly bodies.' Inside those bodies were NOT any SOULS, but evil spirits; devils. And God's Word referes to those devils as 'men of renown,' because they lived prior to being born into human bodies.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of RENOWN.
But I can understand why you would feel like you were one of the apostles, because once you received Jesus Christ, you became a member of 'the FAMILY OF JESUS CHRIST.' We cannot help from feeling like we KNOW one another, and as if we've known one another all our lives. It's the Spirit of God that's in each of us. You were not personally there back in the days of the apostles. But the Lord God Who is IN you, and Whom you are IN, was there. And your spirit is joined with Him; with the Spirit of God.
As a matter of fact, since you are filled with the Holy Ghost; the Spirit of God, you KNOW ALL THINGS in your heart. You, and I, and all those filled with His Spirit, just don't UNDERSTAND all those things. But our hearts KNOW. That's why when we hear, or read, the truth, it bears witness in our hearts, we KNOW it's true, even if we can't understand why, or how, it's true, etc..
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
EPHESIANS 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end.
Amen.
HEBREWS 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
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Almighty God has such a special and great purpose
for your book! He foresees what's coming. As, He is getting ready to shake this world like never before, to make one last MIGHTY CALL unto mankind to ESCAPE the Great Tribulation. And even though the Great Tribulation is not the worst thing, as God's WRATH TO COME thereafter is worse than that, and the worse of all is ETERNAL DAMNATION, still, the Great Tribulation is going to be horrible, because no one will be upon earth that has the Spirit of God in him, or her. All those that have His Spirit are, altogether, His BODY of people, to Whom He is their Head, and are all us that have received Him; Christ, our Head, and serve Him, and will all be drawn up to meet Him in the air before the Great Tribulation takes place.
The Great Tribulation is a time when everyone that believes God, and His Son, are real, and that they SHOULD HAVE received Christ, and repented of sin, and desired to obey Him, will WISH THEY HAD NOT PUT HIM OFF. Because they will then see JUST HOW very wicked this world is, that it is NOT for them, and that all that time they spent serving the world just to please themselves was NOT WORTH IT.
God will use that time to let the eyes of many be opened, and let them seek Him, and find Him, but they will end up having be beheaded; lose their lives, as far as physically, in order to make it to be with Him.
I see it like this, had they been serving their TRUE Head, Christ, they would not have had to lose their own physical head.
But they will gladly do so, knowing that they will rise up to heaven instantly.
But during the Great Tribulation, prior to those that repent of their sins before God being beheaded, God will greatly use them to tell, and teach, others about Him, those that never received Him before. There's a scripture in the Old Testament that, speaking of that time, says 'Do not go to them, let them come to you.'
In other words, the Lord, using His angels, will be helping His people HIDE OUT from wicked people trying to find and kill them. When it is time for them to die, GOD Himself will decide that, and not the devil.
But prior to the Great Tribulation, again, the Lord is ready to make one last mighty call unto mankind. It's already started, as people are getting frantic, uncertain, and very uncomfortable, with the way the world seems to be getting by with mocking, and insulting, the Lord God; the Lord Jesus. People, even those that have refused to receive Him, are so like a bunch of kids. While little kids want their way, and like to try to get by with wrong things, I've always noticed how, regardless of how they may try, they would feel betrayed, unloved, and abondoned, if no one cared enough about them to NOT LET THEM get by. There's something about knowing someone cares enough about you to scold you, and try discourage you from wrong, even if you want to do the wrong.
And what I have seen lately are people who, even though they have not received the Lord, and repented of their sins, they are very disturbed at it seeming as if the Lord God Whom they KNOW is true, even though they have not yet received His Christ; His Word; His only begotten Son, is seeming not very powerful, or why would He let the world get by with all the evil onslaughts, and all the speaking as if they have the right to SILENCE His people.
The Lord is merely allowing it temporarily, for His own reasons, His own purpose, His own glory, and to the TOTAL SURPRISE of the wicked. He is now letting; incouraging, all those that want to choose the side of Satan, to go ahead and do so, and be as bold as they can be about it (for now.) It's call 'separating the sheep from the goats; the tares from the wheat.' He is letting everyone TAKE THEIR STANCE.
But BEFORE He calls; draws, His people in whom all is His Spirit, up to meet Him in the air, things are going to happen, earthquakes like never before, whirlwinds; hurricanes, floods, etc., fires, that are going to destroy (not KILL) all those that have not received Him, and those that have that have been walking in sin against Him, devasting them more than they ever imagined could happen. And WE will be the only ones safe and sound, and shining like LIGHTS unto all that WILL run to us to hear about the Lord our God Who's Spirit is IN US, and Who's POWER we have working in and through us.
Once, during that time, all will hear that will hear, and receive Him, which the Lord will give a certain amount of time, He will then draw us, and all those that are newly born of Him, up to meet Him in the air.
And THEN the Anti-Christ; Satan, will sit and decare his ugly liar self as God.
I want to tell you something the Lord told me; gave me, sort of like a poem, about 4 years ago, when He began showing me these things. But I need to get to sleep. I will write more tomoro. Love in Christ Jesus,
Donna
How do you know Enoch is a false book? You do realize the book was found with the dead sea scrolls, right? You do realize the book was a part of the Jewish biblical canon until about 400 A.D. too, right? Your Seth and Cain bloodline theory came from the book of Jasher and that book has yet to be confirmed to even be the actual book that is talked about in the bible. If Job is not talking about angels then what is Job talking about? You seem to be good at saying what is not true, but I have not seen you say anything that is true and give an actual reference to why it is true. You keep quoting scripture about false prophets. That's a weak arguement seeing that we are only developing theories on how things got so bad and why God decided to wipe out the earth and start over through Noah. You only answered the one thing I directed toward you and conveniently overlooked what I wrote to Vic. Your arguments and references are shallow. You also seem to enjoy shooting down everyone elses theories without being able to accurately explain what something actually means and why it would mean what you are claiming. I know your angles because I have heard them a million times from people just like you. You also told someone to open their minds on this site. I would like to point out the only closed minded person in here is the one who is not considering more than just one theory. I don't believe fallen angels had sex with humans either. I do, however, believe they were possibly playing God and had the technology to manipulate DNA and artificially inseminate a human woman. Where do you think technology came from? Do you truly believe human ingenuity created all of this God-hating technology? God is the ultimate creator and Lucifer has been doing all he can to imitate God and draw man away from him and follow the path of evil. If you truly think modern day technology just popped up out of nowhere in the last 120 years, you may want to wake up and see things and try to find a better understanding that time on earth and time in the spiritual realm are two totally different things. Until you understand have have a firm hold on that concept, you are going to just talk youself into circles with those who know more than you.
NOWHERE does it say in the Bible "sons of seth" or "daughters of cain". just because you find the idea of the sons of God being fallen angels that had sex w/ human women, ridiculous, doesn't mean it didnt happen. it means that you want to call God a liar and pick and choose what you want to believe. jude 6:7 CLEARLY says that the angels gave themselves over to fornication and strange flesh. (i asked you what you thought that passage meant and you dodged that too) God compares them to sodom and gomorrah. but you think that idea is ridiculous. but yr also the guy who thinks the angel michael is really Jesus. that is a mormon belief and not christian at all. moromnism is a cult and not remotely christian. its apparent that you are here to spread false doctrine. thankfully, no one here is falling for yr heresy. thats why yr leaving this site. i will pray for you also.
Again, you mention the book of Enoch. Again, I stress it's a false book.
@Daniel Brown
There is nothing in that passage in Job that makes the relation to "sons of God" being angels. Satan coming to a meeting between God and his angels, after his fall, is just as irrelevant as Satan coming to a meeting between God and men, or God and representatives from other planets that did not suffer the same fate as mankind. Logic dictates that you can't make that kind of assumption.
I choose to pray for all of you. I'll not make another comment on this site again. If you wish to believe that angels came down from Heaven and had sex with women, a notion in which I find to be utterly ridiculous, then that is your business. I shake the dust from off my feet.
Biblical references to the book of Jasher can be found in Joshua 10:13 and 2nd Samuel 1:18-19.
It is believed this book has never really been found. The book seemed to have popped, out of nowhere, sometime in the last 800 years or so. Nobody has been able to authenticate it.
Michael "Why should that make a difference? All of those civilizations believed in pagan forms of worship, not Judaism or Christianity. What they believed has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion at all, nor does it have anything to do with the Bible."
actually it does. the book of enoch states that the fallen angels gave forbidden knowledge and technology to humanity. and sure enough we have evidence of advanced ancient civilizations everywhere. these civilaztions all had astronomical skills; the ability to build megaliths; highly advanced mathematics; and knowledge of agriculture. the aztecs, incas, egyptians all worshipped the fallen angels first, then the offspring, giants. some of the giants had huge conehead-like skulls which the egyptians tried to emulate with their crowns or even by binding their skulls. even the aztecs and mayans bound their skulls attempting to look like their gods. yes, these are all abominations before God, practicing a pagan religion and worshipping creatures that had been created, fallen angels or giants. there is evidence of an ancient nuclear explosion in India. the area is still radioactive. how did these ancient people die from a nuclear blast thousands of years ago? well they used forbidden knowledge/technology provided them by the fallen angels. the sanskrit texts describe flying "vimanas" that had "all the power of the universe" and they used them against each other in a war. it describes elephants catching fire from the blast; the food becoming irradiated; people's hair and fingernails falling out; water as the only defense from the heat and radiation. the description fits a nuclear blast yet it was written thousands of years ago. these civilizations all were destroyed by the Flood. does it sound incredible? sure, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened that way. the Bible doesn't specifically state that things happened that way but the evidence is there to see, ignoring it won't make it any less valid. and it still corresponds with God's word which is the most important thing.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"
what do you think "strange flesh" and fornication means? it means that the fallen angels absolutely did fornicate with human women which was an abomination before God. This is part of the reason God wiped out the earth with Noah's Flood. Remember the Bible says "Noah was perfect in all his generations..." meaning his bloodline had not been contaminated by the Nephilim.
You also said "Sin is the cause of all deformities and disease, so this very well could be the case." You are partially right. The existence of disease and evil things is because of sin BUT sin doesn't cause disease or deformities. Disease and deformities are the result of the human genome breaking down thru successive generations. Thats why in Leviticus a law is laid down that marrying a sibling is wrong. Becuase at that point in human history there there was no longer a reason to marry someone close to you relation-wise. Gross, I know but think about it, when the human race was decimated or even started, there were only a few people, they HAD to marry their relations,there was no one else.
I Corinthians 11:9-10 says "9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels." This saying that women should cover her head, so as not to tempt the fallen angels and reserve herself for her husband.
You also said "Nowhere in the Bible does it refer to angels as the "sons of God". However, those who believe in Christ are called His sons and daughters, and also are sons and daughters of Abraham because, by believing in Him, they inherit GOD's promise to Abraham.
there are many references to the sons of God as angels, both fallen and good. This link discusses this Linkwatcher/enoch5.html
You also said the word "elect" is not used in the Bible. Wow, on this very website you can do a search and see the "elect" passages, all 24 of them.
One thing that you said is that the angel Michael is really Jesus? Where did you find that piece of heresy? Michael, you need to reread yr Bible and quit reading INTO it. Then you'll see that there isn't anywhere in the Bible about "sons of Seth or daughters of Cain". You seem to have yr own version of the Bible.
Nowhere in the Bible does it refer to angels as the "sons of God". However, those who believe in Christ are called His sons and daughters, and also are sons and daughters of Abraham because, by believing in Him, they inherit GOD's promise to Abraham.
Once again I must assert that this verse is not referring to fallen angels. Take a look at the Book of Enoch as compared to the rest of the Holy Scriptures. The Holy Scriptures often repeat themselves, however the Book of Enoch mentions things that no other book even bothered to mention. It also uses words such as "Ages" and the "elect". When I read things like that, about the "lord of the ages" or how the "elect" will be blessed...well, let's just say that those words scream the illuminati.
It is written: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24 KJV. Yet, the Book of Enoch says this "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed."
Open your mind for a minute and try to think why this book hasn't been accepted into the Canon. It's just like the rest of the Apocrypha - Vastly different from any other Canonical book.
The Book of Enoch also makes references to several angels. Here are some angels of note: Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel. However, Michael and Gabriel are the only angels mentioned in Canonical text. Uriel and Raphael, however, are mentioned in the Apocrypha. Putting the Apocrypha aside, how can we be led to believe that Uriel and Raphael, if they were real angels, weren't even important enough to mention in the rest of the scriptures if they play such a huge role in this supposedly important book? And, remember that Michael is actually Jesus Christ, for the name Michael actually means "He who is like GOD", therefore the only angel mentioned by name in the Canonical texts is Gabriel.
Also, you keep bringing up the existence of giants. I never argued against their existence. The Bible clearly states that they existed.
The Bible also assert's that Enoch existed. I never said he didn't. I also never said he wasn't a prophet. But you can't take the ONE cross reference between The Book of Enoch and The Book of Jude and just jump to the conclusion that The Book of Enoch is a Holy Book and that the early church rejected it because they were either misinformed or they were trying to hide something from the people.
You also make mention of Jude 1:6. How can one assume that Jude 1:6 is talking about the "fallen angels" from the Book of Enoch? Did you not forget that one-third of the angels in Heaven fell with Lucifer after they tried to stage a coup against the throne of GOD? I would assert that THESE are the angels that Jude is referencing here. It mentions this in Revelation 12:4 - "And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.”
You also mentioned this: "all cultures have a version of the "gods came from the sky and gave us knowledge" stories. the aztecs, the egyptians, the mayans, native americans, the dogon..."
Why should that make a difference? All of those civilization believed in pagan forms of worship, not Judaism or Christianity. What they believed has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion at all, nor does it have anything to do with the Bible.
"as for the book of enoch being a lost book. in ethiopia it was never lost. they have had it since forever. so the book was NEVER lost."
The Book of Enoch was considered to be a lost book for over 2000 years until 1773, when James Bruce returned from Ethiopia with three copies of it. Could it have existed for those 2000 years? Maybe. Did the church know about it or have it in their possession? No. Therefore it was lost to GOD's people.
Enoch was a prophet, but he didn't write this book. It's nothing but a farce - something to take your mind away from the truth, from the way things truly are, the things that truly exist, and, most importantly, GOD.
there has been much debate about the authenticity of the book of Enoch. One author i've read, L.A. Marzulli, said that the early church accepted the book of enoch and it wasn't until later that it was rejected. it is written in the first person but the one difference between enoch and any other prophet with a book is that enoch never died. so if he indeed wrote a book, wouldn't it be different? there are also numerous refernces to enoch in the Bible. there are also references in the Bible to the invasion of fallen angels. Jude 1:6 "6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day". paul instructs a woman to cover her head I Corinthians 11:10, "because of the angels". the UFO phenomenon today is similar to when fallen angels came down before. the Flood was to destroy all life, the evil of man and the contamination of the earth by the giants.
all cultures have a version of the "gods came from the sky and gave us knowledge" stories. the aztecs, the egyptians, the mayans, native americans, the dogon, ...the list goes on and on. the fallen angels/sons of God point of view is completely consistent with the Bible. as for the book of enoch being a lost book. in ethiopia it was never lost. they have had it since forever. so the book was NEVER lost.
ahh thanks a lot for this enlightenment.
That is an excellent question. However, I never said that Enoch wasn't a prophet. As we know from Bible studies, not ever prophet had a book that went into the Bible, however. What I am saying is that someone could have very easily written the book of Enoch, claimed that Enoch wrote it, and put in that one cross reference that you mentioned to try to make it tie in with the Holy Scriptures. Obviously, any person that was serious about duping people with a "lost book of the Bible" would be a learned person, one who has studied the scriptures and knows them well, probably better than you and I.
Once again, I would wish to stress that if the book of Enoch is, in fact, legitimate, than it would have been in the Canon. You can rest assured in the fact that the LORD would not allow such an important book to go unseen and unread for so many years if it did, in fact, speak truth.
GOD Bless.
I had one question if the Book of Enoch is not true then where did Jude get the quote from Enoch.
Jude 1 : 14 - 15 (I get this verse from this site)
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Enoch 2:1 (From Book of Enoch)
1Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
regards,
umecks
The only problem with a book like that is that any Joe Schmo can find it (or even make it up) and claim it as a "lost book of the Bible". The Apocrypha, for instance, has very questionable validity, as it often contradicts other scriptures.
And you also have this:
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:18
and this:
“And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one pronunciation mark of the law to fail.” Luke 16:17
and this:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
What am I getting at? What I'm getting at is this: The word has been around since the beginning, since the word is GOD. It shall not pass away until all is fulfilled. That means that there wouldn't be a section of time where the word was "lost" and not known to exist. It would be silly for GOD to have a system exist for thousands of years to only throw at "oh, by the way" at us like John Carpenter throws plot twists. Sure, you could say that even if no one knew about the word of GOD, the word would still exist. However, I say this: If no one knew about the law of stopping at a red light, would anyone obey it? Would it be enforced? The answer is no. It would be as if the law never existed. If someone were to find this law again, it would be remembered, and exist again. However, GOD's law never passes away, so there can't be any "lost" books. The word has been around forever. Read your King James Bibles, be satisfied with them. Everything you need to know is in there. If you can't find the answer to something, pray about it. All things will become known to us in time.
GOD Bless.
the book of enoc tells a clear story behind these giants.
You have misunderstood what I have said. The sons of Seth, which were the Sons of GOD, mingled with the daughters of man. They are of Cain's bloodline. THEY are the fallen ones, the nephilim.