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  • Commentaries on Your Two Verses - In Reply on Hebrews 6:19 - 3 years ago
    People's Bible Notes Commentary Ephesians 4:13

    Till we all come. These offices are given in order that all may come to a goal that is named just below. They must be continued in some form until that goal is reached. In the unity of the faith. This is one of the great objects to be attained through these offices. Paul, as an apostle and a prophet, exhorts to the same end in Eph 4:2. As an apostle and prophets, he so exhorts still. Every evangelist and pastor who is under God's spirit should labor to the same end. Not only "unity of the faith", but unity of the knowledge of the Son of God is aimed at. Full unity of the faith will be found when all alike know Christ. Unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. "Unto a fullgrown man" (Revised Version). The second end to be attained is a noble manhood, fully developed, after the modes of life furnished in Christ Jesus. This must be the aim of all teaching, and of all living. If we cannot attain fully to it in the flesh, we certainly can aim at it and grow more and more into Christ's likeness.

    People's Bible Notes Commentary

    Hebrews 6:19

    Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul. As an anchor holds the ship when the storms are raging, so this hope holds the soul steadfast. And which we enter into that within the veil. The veil was before the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle, but it was a type of heaven. Hence this means that the hope reaches to heaven. It is a heavenly hope.

    I'm sure some others will come in later and give more light on your questions.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Proverbs 11:18, Psalms 102:2, Psalms 5:6, Psalms 37, Psalms 55:22, Psalms 58:3, Psalms 62:4,

    Ephesians 4:22, Psalms 40:4, Psalms 63:11, Psalms 101:7, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 14:5,25, Proverbs 19:5,9, Proverbs 29:12,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 3 years ago
    The scary thought is that apart from being saved; anything we perceive as "spiritual" truly is in some form representative of Satan. For those who He has called and chosen; insight is often given of God through the Creation and in the process involved until the actual time on earth when one is saved. Even if we are saved; there is scriptural mandate to NOT create any image of God; represented by creatures in heaven above or the earth below.

    It should be fairly clear that Satan himself is not going to readily appear as to how he actually is; that is coming to "steal, kill and destroy." ( John 10:10). Whatever Hollywood has represented or other entertainment venues is merely man's representation. He is certainly NOT currently in hell; and when he is cast there it will be endless torment so he isn't there with a pitchfork enjoying some sort of authority. The confusion over this is perhaps over the verse mentioning that he used to have but no longer has any control over those who have passed. Hades USED to have a place of comfort and a place of torment; Christ was said to have declared his victory and took captivity captive (i.e. the saints were taken to heaven from the paradise section ( Ephesians 4:7-10). God is the creator of all souls; and hence God Himself was the one who couldn't allow access to the Father until in time and space the sacrifice was complete of His Son for our propitiation. Satan just acts as the "accuser of the saints" and will until he is cast to earth ( Rev. 12:10). He has gone from an anointed Cherub (who it would seem was a creature without wings) to having access but not rule to heavenly places and transiting through the 2nd heaven; to the Tribulation when he is cast to the earth with his angels. As with anyone in authority; he rules over all the "powers and principalities" mentioned in Ephesians 6. To the world and lost he appears as an "angel of light" ( 2 Cor. 11:14). He is limited in time and space; his minions act as emissaries
  • BSP on Ephesians 4:1 - 3 years ago
    We want to be careful of what we say and we want to make sure that our words are upbuilding to others. This means that we have to think before we speak.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Psalms 139, Isaiah 41:10,

    Psalms 130:4, Colossians 1:14, Ephesians 1:7, Acts 26:18, Luke 7:47,48, Psalms 32:1, Acts 8:22, Psalms 85:2,

    Ephesians 4:26,

    Proverbs 11:3,

    Psalms 119:16, Hebrews 2:18, James 1:12, 1Corinthians 10:13,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • David on Jeremiah 27 - 3 years ago
    Great is the LORD and greatly to be praised. HIS counsel is righteous, true and His promises are a comfort and peace unto those who know and trust in HIM. Although HIS admonition and declaration may seem difficult and harsh; but by accepting them and following them with Godly humbleness and obedience we will be blessed. "For this is the love of GOD, that we keep HIS commandments: and HIS commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3

    By going willingly into captivity, shows humbleness, obedience, and trust in the LORD GOD. We can do this because we know the love of the LORD GOD unto us, and we know the message, and the messenger. But most of all we know the LORD our Savior and KING through the HOLY Scriptures. It is of our best interest to turn, obey and serve our KING and GOD. Even now we may despair for our current situation before our nation and the world: COVID19, Russia, Ukraine, China, N. Korea, inflation, inept leadership on all the highest level of our government (not all); the LORD will not leave us thus. Our captivity is that of our relationship with the LORD, we claim as our Saviour. The apostle Paul wrote "I therefore the prisoner of the LORD, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called." Ephesians 4: 1

    The LORD SAVIOR will raise up competent GOD loving; JESUS CHRIST believers; Holy Scripture living; promise keepers; praise and worship singers; unceasing prayer warrior's; heart filled with thanksgiving Saints; sin hating; mortified, crucified, washed, and cleansed in the Precious Blood of the LORD JESUS CHRIST MOST HIGH GOD; followers of the KING of GLORY; redeemed of the LORD GOD; followers of the exalted LORD of Heaven to do HIS work.

    Continued ... March 1, 2022
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Isaiah 63:7-14, John 8, interestingly there is much about lies & deception in this chapter.

    Ephesians 4:13-32, Colossians 3:8-10,

    Revelation 21:27, Revelation 22:15,
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    John 3:3,5,6, John 3:15-21, 1John 3:1-24, 1Peter 1:3-25, 1John 2:29, 1John 4:7, Ephesians 4:22-32,

    To some it means learning a new way of walking, talking etc.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear S.Spencer,

    Thank you for this in-depth study. I appreciate it.

    My only comment is to your last statement on this post.

    I do not think that anyone on here is really stating that they are trusting in one's ability in keeping the law. I think that this is a misrepresentation of what some are saying on here. Most on here agree that we are made righteous by faith in Jesus; that His work of salvation, perfect life, and perfect sacrifice is all we need to trust in for our right standing with God.

    Most on here believe that it is through God's grace that we come to salvation; it is a gift from God and not earned. Most on here believe that being under grace frees us from the curse of the law and the need to try to attain righteousness by keeping the law. Most on here believe also that Paul repeatedly teaches believers to live godly lives and speaks against engaging in sins such as enumerated in Galatians 5:19-21; Colossians 3:9; Ephesians 4:17-32; 5:1-12; 1 Corinthians 6:8-10; 10:6-11; Romans 6:11-14; 13:8-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22; Hebrews 13:4-5; because we are to walk in the Spirit and produce the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus also speaks to this in Rev. 22:14-15.

    Therefore. I think it is improper for one to say things that will discourage believers from practicing godliness in their daily lives. Paul taught clearly that believers are to avoid that which is sinful. So, as a believer, I do not wish to covet, lie, steal, be sexually immoral, kill another, dishonor my parents, disregard sabbath resting, use the Lord's name improperly, set up any idol, or worship an idol, along with may other sinful actions Paul spoke against in his epistles, and in the words of Jesus, Himself.

    One who is loving God and loving others will not make a habit of doing these sinful things, but only what good that is of the Spirit's grace and power in a believer's life. We are not talking about law keeping as it was required in the OT, living in obedience to God instead of in sinfulness.
  • TRJ on Ephesians 4 - 3 years ago
    Not a theologian, but in the new year 29-32 was just what I needed to set the tone for a global hope for a brighter future. There are no interpretations wanted, just clearly it speaks volumes. With this being an ancient text it is what's so compelling, that to apply these scriptures daily is each Human's opportunity to do a Great contribution to adhereing to the, Words, and successfully adding a declaration to leave the next generation Hope, for them to look back in 1000 years at us as their Ancestors and marvel at how these scriptures can still be applied, and implemented to carry out their obligation to leave the world better than they found it.
  • Mishael - 3 years ago
    Beloved, the word Trinity is NOT in the King James Bible.

    Another religion penned that word. It defines as, THREE. Like Tres, in Spanish means three. Etc

    Romans 1:20 clearly shows that Godhead is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three in One.

    Ephesians 4:5

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism

    1 Timothy 2:5

    For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    1 Corinthians 12:13

    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into ONE Spirit.

    Romans 1:20

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD, so that they are without excuse:

    Colossians 2:9

    For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    John 3:16; John 5:24; John 6:37-40,47; John 10:27-29; Romans 6:23; Romans 8:38,39; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 2:8; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 13:5; 1 John 5:11-13; Jude 1:24 - are a few examples, all promising the true child of God that his/her salvation is secure forever.

    Yet 1 John 3:7-10 reveals the two-faced 'Christian': having every appearance of serving God, but has sin dominating his life; living carelessly & not carefully.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Acts 10 - 3 years ago
    Please read the WORD for yourself : * Mark 16:17,

    Romans 11:29, Romans 12:5-21, Acts 2, Acts 10:46, Acts 19:6,

    * 1 Corinthians 12, whole chapter speaks of Spiritual gifts. Ephesians 4:4-25, these chapters: 1 Corinthians 13, 1Corinthians 14, also covers 'Speaking in tongues '

    Hopefully these are helpful in your searching for true understanding
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    I've also heard LeBleu water company found early treatment for cancers using Grapes Seeds from Israel. I met with them years ago, the founder told me in a Petri dish it actually eats away the cancers. Today it's sold only as "health food Muscadine supplement" . Why ?

    2 Thessalonians 2:12, Ephesians 4:25, Psalms 119:30, Psalms 85:10-11, Ephesians 6:14, Ephesians 6:12,

    1 Corinthians 4:5, Luke 8:17, Mark 4:22,

    * Luke 12:1-7,

    Hopefully these scriptures are helpful to encourage & strengthen.
  • Firmvictara69 - 3 years ago
    You replied to me recently that I do think that women completed the works of devices mentioned in your posts over the centuries and still do in many churches. Perhaps the early church did not call them deaconesses formally, but the name was eventually given to women who do this type of service. In NT times and in many cultures it is inappropriate for a man to minister in such ways to women. It is doubtful a man would be a mid-wife or doula in NT times, but a women in a church fellowship would do such service. And it was unlikely in NT or in some cultures that a man would tend to a sick women or child, nor dress their wounds, bath them, nor cool and clean for a women taken to bed. So, women in the church took on these roles, and ministered to women and children as helpers and teachers.

    You don't get me wrong about the services or works of women's ministry because you can say whatever you want to believe and proclaim women's cultures in their churches anywhere, but there is the only ONE ministry even as the apostles' doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the scriptures of Acts 2:42 KJV [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

    1 Corinthians 1:10 KJV

    [10] Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    Romans 16:17-18 KJVS

    [17] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. [18] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

    Ephesians 4:5 KJV

    [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism, I can see that you couldn't quote the scriptures as it is written because it is your own theological beliefs instead Period
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Utibe. The one who has been truly saved & has God's Spirit in them, can never be lost back into Satan's domain. These people will remain faithful to their Lord, suffering all things for His sake, & hating even the smell of sin entering their lives. There are many 'Christians' who faithfully attend a Fellowship, witness to others & give every appearance of being saved, but when adversity comes or even when committing sin isn't all that important, they fall away, turning their backs to the One they once called their Saviour. The Lord knows who belongs to Him; 2 Timothy 2:19, "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

    Here are some Scriptures showing God's Part in saving & securing those who have truly repented & turned from a life of sin - being born again of His Spirit:

    John 10:27-29; Ephesians 1:13,14; Ephesians 4:30; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 John 5:13; Romans 8:33-39.

    But there is also the other side, where some Scriptures seem to indicate that a Christian can apostatize, such as:

    1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Hebrews 3:12.

    But the ultimate test of real faith is when our love, even our lives hang in the balance. Will we deny Christ - will we save our lives rather than lose it for Jesus? Many 'Christians' would under examination want to save themselves, yes, even those who attend a Fellowship & follow through with Christian disciplines. We should not have to hear those words in Matthew 7:21-23, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Mark. There are indeed aspects of Reformed Theology that are correct, as also those of Jacobus Arminius. Of course, those who are completely in agreement with the one or the other, may not agree with those who find truth & acceptability in the beliefs of both men. And being who we are, as those who also read & understand God's Word with the Spirit's Help, as well as coming under the influence of Church teaching & Christian articles/books, no one will ever 'fit' perfectly together for the full & proper understanding of God's Word.

    There will always be room for various interpretations, forming various beliefs, "till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ" ( Ephesians 4:13). And together, we make for a great diversity of Christian belief & practises until we get closer to true unity, both in Christ's Body & Christ's Word.

    As for "our salvation comes through Christ's completed work alone", I believe that both Calvin & Arminius were in agreement on this doctrine, that nothing but Christ's Sacrifice could ever provide for us & secure us so great a salvation. Were you thinking of some special aspect about this that has prompted you to ask?
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Keith.

    Great Question, Perhaps because all three of the God head contributed to our new birth.

    1) The Father called you.

    2 Timothy 1:9.

    2) The son bought us.

    Galatians 3:13.

    3) The spirit Quickened us.

    Romans 8:11.

    What we have hidden here is the trinity being taught.

    In Acts 2:24. it notes the Father raised him from the dead.

    In John 10:17-18. Jesus raises himself.

    In Romans 8:11. It's the Holyspirit.

    These 3 are one.

    through baptism ww are one with them.

    Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    John 14:17-23. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

    Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

    At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

    He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

    Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 23 - 3 years ago
    Hello Karen. That does seem like a strange word to give in prayer: "that God help us to sin less so Jesus won't suffer anymore." You'd have to clarify with the pastor as to what he meant by this, as he could be thinking in terms of "grieving the Holy Spirit" ( Ephesians 4:30). As the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God & of Jesus ( Romans 8:9), it is God Himself in us Who, by His Spirit, knows all that we go through in this life, whether in honour or dishonour of His Name.

    We know there is much praise, exaltation & glorifying of the Lord God in Heaven continuously (Revelation chapter 4), but in that worship there would always be a consciousness of the folly of the wicked on Earth, or of those hearing the Gospel & maybe on the verge of submitting to God's Spirit, or even the child of God who strays away, whether wilfully or accidentally. God knows all things, for He is God, so I feel that in the exuberation of praise & worship in Heaven, there is also the solemness of the tragedies of fallen creation or when we succumb to Satan's taunts & lies instead of withstanding him with the Word of God.

    I'm unsure whether this adequately answers your enquiry or even helpful, as each one would have perceptions of Heaven according to the understanding of the Word & the Light given to us. Some Christians believe in a very jovial lighthearted God on His Throne - I cannot perceive such characteristics of God, at least from the my reading of the Bible. But yes, God does require us to deal with sin ("sin less" as the pastor said); joy when there is victory & a true heart before the Throne, and grief when we fail Him. But you're right in stating that Jesus has once suffered for our sins - that agony, crucifixion, & death can happen no more.
  • SPENCER SHAW - In Reply - 3 years ago
    yes your pastor is teaching this right, Jesus is first begotten from the dead . meaning he once was dead. in order to die you have to go to hell. Also Jesus said he would have to go to hell and many verses confirm here are a few

    Matthew 12:40 KJV - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    Jonah 2:1-2 KJV - Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

    Ephesians 4:9-10 KJV - (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

    Acts 2:24-27 KJV - Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Georgianne Jesus Christ in his resurrected quickened or made alive by the Spirit 1 Peter 3:19 went and

    preached unto the spirits of the enemy in prison locked up 2 Peter 2:4 that caused destruction in Noah's time

    same is stated in Ephesians 4:9 so this body he had could obviously travel and do this supernatural capacity

    and to think we are going to have that kind of body! This is my understanding. Second question don't know.
  • What Jesus Did For Our Freedom - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

    In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified( Luke 23:42-43)

    For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).

    Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Valerie First to get to renewed mind a person must be born again I.E. confess Romans 10:9+10 and believe and

    start changing your thoughts and habits to what Gods word says which is walking by the revealed knowledge of Gods

    Word. This is not sense knowledge thinking,sense knowledge thinking is based on sight,sound smell,touch, and taste.

    After born again new input holy spirit which requires putting on Gods thoughts on who we are in Christ and

    believing that in our day by day habit patterns or conscience thinking with consistence. Romans 12:2 By doing this

    we prove by believing in what God has done what is His good acceptable and perfect will. You cannot do this with

    sense knowledge thinking 1 Corinthians 2:14 because you cannot know God with experienced knowledge without Him

    revealing Himself by the holy spirit. Then our job Ephesians 4:24-32, Ephesians 5 whole Chapter, Phil. 2:1-15 this is

    some things of how to think, also the gospels is loaded with principles. Mathew Chapt.5,6,7, also John 14,15,16,17

    those of us who were going to believe what shall be. This is litterally the tip of the ice berg.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Kathy,

    I would like to add to the truth Cait has given referencing Hebrews 12:18-23. For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

    And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

    (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

    And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

    BUT YE ARE COME UNTO MOUNT SION, AND UNTO THE CITY OF THE LIVING GOD, THE ( HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, ) and to an innumerable company of angels,

    To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

    Notice the contrast. In Exodus 19:10-12. THE LORD TELL MOSES TO SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM TO WASH THERE CLOTHES, and bring them the third day, and they still couldn't touch the border of the law given mountain!!

    In the Heavenly Jerusalem God don't wash garments, he gives new ones.

    Zechariah 2:10-13.

    Zechariah 3:1-9.

    Ephesians 4:20-24.

    Colossians 3:9-10.

    Parallel-

    Galatians 4:21-26. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

    For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

    But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

    WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: FOR THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    BUT JERUSALEM WHICH IS ABOVE IS FREE, WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL.

    Romans 8:3-4.

    A general area to study in.

    Hopefully someone will add.

    God bless.
  • Choose to believe - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Catherine Gordon With the subject of speaking in tongues, biblically is perfect prayer as you said between you and God

    also in acts 2:11 The bible says they were speaking the wonderful works of God. It is a working of the spirit to be done

    decent and in order like all things of the true God. In respect of the rest Ephesians 4:3-6 is the key to spiritual unity.

    Just because something is not believed doesn't mean it isn't true, also just because is believed doesn't mean its true

    that's why all things spiritual must be accurately lined up with Gods Word and all other sources Questioned. Nothing

    stops Gods Power of holy spirit in us when we rise up and believe whats written and act accordingly. Also there is no

    respect of persons, conditions yes.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} water baptism today? - In Reply on Deuteronomy 25 - 3 years ago
    Precious friend, Scripture is NOT in "Great Error"

    1 Corinthians 1:17

    Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 ) ( Colossians 2:12 ) ( Galatians 3:27 ) ( Romans 6:3-4 ) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

    Just to Be DOUBLY Sure Of God's WORD Of Truth!:

    Paul, Inspired Of God, wrote:

    "For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach The Gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest The Cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Deuteronomy 25 - 3 years ago
    Hi Gigi.

    It seems there is 2 things we are discussing here. For one there is many things that was practiced that isn't essential for salvation. These same arguments were present in apostles day. false practices and false doctrine crept in the Church in their day. Infact, you see it prophesied in the feast offerings with the leaven. It seems you are searching the scripture as an historian to get to this matter, but you mention nothing of Paul not baptizing as an apostle to the gentiles. I've mentioned the transition from Judaism with much explanation in the initial post, we want get into that here.

    I'm carefully going over your post and there seems to be a bit confusion. We are not talking about THE POWER OF THE HOLYSPIRIT in which we are gifted for ministry, We are talking about being baptized into Christ death and resurrection which is done by the Holyspirit immediately at conversion. We are identified with him in death, when he died, we died. When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

    (The church couldn't receive these gifts until after Christ died and rose from the dead) So their baptism into his death had already taken place before receiving the gifts.

    So we are not substituting water baptism for baptism by the Holyspirit, we're saying ther is only one baptism as Paul mentions in Ephesians 4:4-6. I believe here Paul is saying there is only one way we are identified with Christ and the father and put into the body of believers. and that can only be done by the Holyspirit.

    You seem to be saying the same thing in your reply; however it seems you define or term spirit baptism incorrectly.

    Quoting you:

    "I want to have all that God has for me, not just some. So, that is why I have been water and Spirit baptized, which happened after I was converted."

    How can this happen after you were converted if it takes water baptism to be converted?
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Krystin,

    I am sure you will get different replies on this, my understanding is close to what is in your post. Soul and spirit are two different words but seem to think of being the same and are hard to separate in our mind. What happens to these when we die there are different understandings, does the soul sleep in the earth with the body, or is it immortal and go to two different places?

    The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh meaning a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. The Greek word psuche meaning the soul, life, self, a person's distinct identity.

    The word spirit, the Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruach meaning breath, wind, spirit, or the Greek word pneuma also meaning wind, breath, spirit, when writing about the spirit.

    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    The spirit goes back to God Ecclesiastes 12:7

    The Holy Spirit seals us until when? Ephesians 4:30

    We are buried mortal, dead, in corruption and we are raised immortal incorruptible 1 Corinthians 15:42-44

    All consciousness ends when we die. Psalm 6:5 Job 14:12-14 Job 17:13-16 Psalm 89:48 Psalm 115:17 Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

    We sleep in the dust until resurrection day, the day of redemption. 1 Corinthians 15:51 1 Thessalonians 4:14 1 Corinthians 15:52-54

    God raised Jesus from the dead after three days and three nights, so, Romans 8:1 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Have not found any scripture that says we or our soul or spirit is immortal, may someone else provide it if it is in the bible.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Rick - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Gigi You state to show forth all scripture what about Ephesians 4:4-6 this is just showing scripture, also Paul

    wrote receive ye the spirit by the works of the Law or Hearing of faith Romans 10:9+10. That being said on to



    the next subject. By the way you yourself said you know of many people never water baptised but you Know are

    saved. God Bless and good Night.
  • David - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Kristianna The whole key to the understanding the word baptised or baptism, here's a good example. In

    Acts 2:38 the word for baptized everyone of you and ye shall receive Holy Ghost, the word baptized means to

    or set apart also it is either external or internal. When a person is born again it is internal spiritually it is by

    Gods Gift Holy Spirit internal it is in us. Now the translators used the same word alo for water that's why I said depending

    on context external or internal. In John 3:16 both are used first one I'm baptising you external for consecration or

    preparation, second one Jesus Christ shall future baptise with pneuma Hagion or holy spirit which will burn up

    the chaff because its internal. So in Regards to spiritual baptism I'll let you decide what the Word of God says.

    Then You have Ephesians 4:4 remember Jesus Christ gave Paul how and what and where and when and to whom

    concerning His Church the Body of Christ in the Age of Grace. Make up your own mind on It Is Written when

    all scripture concerning subject matter are considered and understood. P.S. I didn't cover all of them due to

    tht' a lot too cover.


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