Ephesians
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We see the work of the spirit through the baptism of the Holyspirit in Ephesians.
Of people debate if baptism by water is essential for salvation as well as can you loose your salvation. if what's mentioned in Ephesians is not present in your life it's possible you never had salvation.
Everyone dipped in water wasn't internally cleaned, never was the old man crucified and no evidence of the New Man.
Fruitless , Still dead in trespass and sins!!
BECAUSE WATER BAPTISM IS JUST AN CEREMONIAL OUTWARD EXPRESSION OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE ONCE AND IF YOU ( TRULY) BELIEVED.
Did you notice Verse 5?
Ephesians 4:4-5. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) "One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM,"
Does that mean water baptism and means the same? NO!
JOHN SAYS HE BAPTIZED WITH WATER BUT CHRIST WILL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT!!
Water baptism is a ceremonial profession of your faith.
And "IF" your profession was real only then you will see spiritual growth through feeding on the word.
No longer tossed to and fro by strange doctrine. Trying to understand scripture through the wisdom of the world, so called "common sense" fleshly minds, God's word will be written on your Fleshly Tables of the heart. Not a heart of stone!! This in the inner Man!! and A New life!
Not to perfection but A true heart pursuing it.
And God Judge the heart.
GOD BLESS.
Part 2.
Ephesians 4:16-32. FROM WHOM THE WHOLE BODY FITLY JOINED TOGETHER AND COMPACTED BY THAT WHICH EVERY JOINT SUPPLIETH, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, MAKETH INCREASE OF THE BODY UNTO THE EDIFYING OF ITSELF IN LOVE.
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
But ye have not so learned Christ;
If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
THAT YE PUT OFF CONCERNING THE FORMER CONVERSATION THE OLD MAN, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
( AND BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND;)
AND THAT YE PUT ON THE NEW MAN, WHICH AFTER GOD IS CREATED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND (TRUE HOLINESS.)
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: (FOR WE ARE MEMBERS ONE OF ANOTHER.)
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
AND GRIEVE NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, (WHEREBY YE ARE SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.)
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
ALLL THIS WORK IS ACCOMPLISHED "THROUGH" THE SPIRIT BY BAPTISM OF THE HOLYSPIRIT.
SEE PART 3
BAPTISM OF THE HOLYSPIRIT.
An ( INWARD) WORK OF GOD through the Holyspirit Identifying us with the death and resurrection of Christ.
WATER BAPTISM.
An ( OUTWARDLY) testimony expressed by you testifying you believe what's mentioned above is to be true and a work of God.
Here's the work of the baptism of the Holyspirit spirit ( IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE)
You will see the death and resurrection and newness of life in these verses!
Ephesians 4:1-15. I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, "ONE BAPTISM,"
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Wherefore he saith, When he ASCENDED up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)
AND HE GAVE some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST:
Till we all come in the UNITY of the faith, and of the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
THAT WE HENCEFORTH BE NO MORE CHILDREN, TOSSED TO AND FRO, AND CARRIED ABOUT WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, BY THE SLEIGHT OF MEN, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
BUT SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE, MAY GROW UP INTO HIM IN in ALL THINGS, WHICH IS THE HEAD, EVEN CHRIST:
SEE PART 2.
May, CHRIST GRACE US with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
There are VARIETY OF EFFECTS, but the SAME GOD who works ALL THINGS in ALL PERSONS.
1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which WOKETH ALL IN ALL.
ALL THINGS originate from God.
1 Corinthians 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man by the woman, but ALL THINGS OF GOD.
God is operating ALL.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained (been given) an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose (save all mankind) of him who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent (commissioned/commanded) the Son (the WORD) to be saviour of the world.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return into me void, but it (the WORD, CHRIST) shall accomplish that which I please, and it (CHRIST) shall prosper in the thing (salvation of the world) whereto I sent it.
He who fills ALL in ALL.....Father of ALL.....who is OVER ALL...THROUGH ALL....IN ALL
Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body (each of us), the FULLNESS OF HIM that filleth ALL in ALL.
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL and in you ALL.
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the saviour of ALL men, specially those that believe.
1 Timothy 3:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.
Ephesians 4:5 There is one body, one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling;
You are the ONE BODY (as everyone else), the SPIRIT (of God; CHRIST) lives IN YOU, and gives YOU everything he is, this one hope (in God's eyes a finished work) is that through the WORK OF CHRIST IN YOU we will be delivered from sin and death (flesh, the ways of the world) into the glorious liberty of the Sons (daughters) of God; the EXACT LIKENESS OF CHRIST. You do nothing on your part, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, you are just a vessel made only to hold CHRIST. You (sinful flesh) died on the cross of CHRIST; YOU were raised with Christ and Christ lives for you, gracing you with all he is; love, peace, truth, perfection, mercy, faithfulness, wisdom, understanding, knowledge, etc.
Ephesians 4:6 One Lord (Christ), one faith (and Christ GIVES you his (ONE) faith), one baptism (you were baptised into Christ death; your flesh died with his flesh and was resurrected with him in a NEW BODY (this one body; the body of Christ in us).
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptised into JESUS CHRIST (not water) were baptised into his death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he hath part in the first resurrection; on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endue to the END (times), the same shall be saved.
You say the subject is end times and tribulation.
Did the people 1900 years ago have to consider this verse also. Did they died without Christ; not making it to the end times and tribulation. Whats going to happen to you if you die before the tribulation and the end times come. I don't think you understand End TIME and TRIBULATION.
Revelation 22:10 Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.
I COME QUICKLY
Revelation 3:11
Revelation 22:7
Revelation 22:12
Revelation 22:20
Revelation 2:16
Revelation 11:14
Revelation 2:5
It has been 2000 year since these words were written; is that QUICKLY, perhaps with more study and more REVELATION, TRUTH would be more clear.
Hebrews 9:28
Colossians 3:4
He APPEARS to us now in TRUTH of HIS WORD (written and living, Holy Spirit). At the death of this body of flesh (end time) he shall APPEAR to us to FACE to FACE.
1 John 3:2
Ephesians 4:13
Ephesians 1:10
Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...
Once we are saved; we were sealed by the holy Ghost and God promised a place in Heaven
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
5 Fold to start the church read your scriptures.
3 fold now the office of prophets and apostles is found today in THE WORD OF GOD.
The WORD is the foundation or should be the foundation for any true church
If you feel you need to here from some modern day prophet or apostle you are mistaken.
Heaven and earth will pass away but my WORD will live forever
Eph 2:20 Apostles and Prophets are foundation
Foundation is put down once
CHRIST is the HOLY SPIRIT if you read Colossians Chap 1 "Christ in You!"
And HE is the Chief Cornerstone
This is the era for evangelists , pastors and teachers
The Unity of the FAITH is the WORD of GOD
We now have a complete bible not letters here and there
This is what leads to not being TOSSED by every wind of DOCTRINE
The BIBLE is the STANDARD
Perhaps you should stop reading so many other books and just stick to scripture
Perhaps you will than be able to RIGHTLY divide the WORD of TRUTH
No other documents are needed just the bible
Line upon line precept upon precept
If you rely on some other person to lead you to the truth you are greatly mistaken
What does FOUNDATION mean to you?
I am not talking about missionaries.
I am talking about the men GOD CHOSE, CALLED and gave power to.
To not only do signs and wonders but who wrote the very words of the New Testament
These were special messengers with a divine calling.
A season for everything under the sun.
Do you think Until we all come to the Unity of the faith means for eternity?
Because if you have not checked there are over 4000 different faiths, so when are we expected to have unity?
The word of God brings UNITY to all who discover the hidden truths
God will have Mercy on whom he will have Mercy
and God will harden whomsoever he hardens
Bible says put your trust in No Man
The gifts and callings are without repentance. As we stay plugged into Jesus, by way of the Holy Spirit: the gifts operate; as He wills it. He anoints the person with the gift.
If we don't know anything about these gifts, it's not going to make much sense to the natural mind. The natural mind of man/woman is at enmity with God.
There's a really good book you can pick up: "The Spiritual Man", by Watchman Nee. It will enlighten you just how useless a gift is when it's guided by a mind of carnality.
I do not mean to offend anyone at all. I found that very WEIGHTY book quite offensive! I stuck with it and knew that the rest of my life would be a battle between spiritual, or carnal (flesh; meat).
The soul is like a willful child that follows whatever is dragging it along.
The thought that we could fully give ourselves to take on the character of the Spiritual man/woman is a lifelong quest to follow the Holy Spirit. Whatever he says, do it. He will prepare us and anoint us for each task.
You need to accept that there are modern day, apostles. They are called MISSIONARIES. They go to where God leads them. The local church sends, equips, supports financially, intercedes for. They go where others are terrified to go. They could be killed for their work.
God still has Prophets. God speaks, they listen. The ones that God uses today aren't on stage: they are intercessors who give birth to Thus Saith The Lord. Ezekial 37:5. It's full time ministry. Stand in the gap; Build up a Hedge of prayer and protection. Fight off attacks from satan Eph 6. Sit in the Watchtowers. They don't have time or desire for worldly pleasures. War Room people.
We should all give our gifts to God for His use.
ISAIAH 6:7-11
Mishael
Apostles and Prophets are the foundation of the church and Christ the Chief Cornerstone
( Eph. 2:20)
There are no more Apostles and Prophets they are the foundation.
The foundation of the church is The Word of God.
Old testament Prophets wrote most of the Old Testament, the Apostles wrote most of the New Testament, except Jude a servant, Hebrews writer unknown.
Apostles and Prophets were chosen by God for a special purpose, the Apostles were given power and authority to do the will of God.
Any one claiming to be either a prophet or an apostle in this dispensation of the church would have to be considered FALSE.
This is what brings "UNITY of the Faith"
This is what keeps you from being tossed about by every wind of doctrine.
Evangelists, pastors and teachers.
Lastly if Apostles and Prophets were relevant in this era, Paul would have told Timothy to ordain them instead of elders. But Paul knew Ecc 3:1 "There is a season for everything under the sun" and he knew the season for apostles ended with him 1Cor 15
Jesus Himself said in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will NEVER CAST OUT." Jesus goes on to say in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up in the last day." If you read John 17:11-12, you see that we are kept by God's power.
I firmly believe in the permanency of salvation because the Bible teaches that God is the One who saves and He does so from out of His mercy. Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 that grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God.
In 1 John Chapter 5 Verse 18, John says "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin; but the one who has been born from God, God IS KEEPING him, and the evil one does not touch him." John also says in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will NEVER PERISH FOREVER and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."
Paul emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit. He says in Ephesians 1:13-14, "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."
Paul says again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION."
(One more post to come)
The ecumenical movement has been around for a long time now. This movement talks about unity among believers which sounds great, but if the goal is to bring all denominations and religions together as one, then that is something we must be cautious about.
Ephesians 4:3 says, "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
This tells us to keep the unity. We're already united in Christ. We don't have to make the unity. We're already united. We have to keep the unity. Satan is trying to divide the unity. And even if he succeeds in the human to get us to quarrel and have our differences or whatever, we still have unity in the Spirit. We're still one in Christ.
The theme of Philippians is about fellowship, and what it takes for a believer to have fellowship with other believers. That's the problem that Paul dealt with a lot. We are to tolerate one another in the love of Christ. We are to make it a top priority to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
But to bring all denominations together as one is a bad idea because it will cause problems. In 1 Corinthians 11:19, it says that there must be heresies among us and that division is necessary. The word heresy comes from the root word that means choice. That's what heresy is. It's when I choose to believe that the bible is teaching something that's not in the bible.
Most of the church today is made up of heresies and that's what divides one church from another church. It's why we have so many different denominations. We go over the same scriptures, and one side says "We believe that it says this," and another side will say "Well, we believe it means this!"
It says for it is necessary for there to be heresies. It's interesting that Paul didn't say "There shouldn't be any heresies." There have to be heresies in the church. Why? So that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. Did you know that God ordains division?
Be encouraged and know that Jesus Christ loves you and will help you and Kristie.
Jeremiah 32:27 27 Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
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God bless you and may the Lord keep you safe under his wings Psalms 17:8 and my prayers are with you
You are correct THE ANGEL (of the Spirit; or Lord) is Christ. This ONE TRUTH is what is so hard for the mind of the flesh to understand. THERE IS ONE SPIRIT; many bodies only one Spirit. THE SPIRIT; OR SEED. Jesus was the FIRST to sprout from this seed (SPIRIT) the first man. Now with a body; but everything else IN THE FULLNESS OF GOD (SPIRIT). His words were from the WORD; because there is ONLY ONE WORD; HIS WORKS WERE from the only one who can do the works. Christ was sent to destroy the works of the devil. The devil says that that it is up to man to do the works (a murderer and liar from the beginning; when Adam was given a mind and body of flesh, this wisdom of the world began. Eve disobeyed God because SHE DID NOT BELIEVE GOD). WE TOO ARE BORN OF THE SEED; when this worldly wisdom is destroyed and replaced with THIS ONE WISDOM. Every ones words will be from THE WORD and every ones WORKS will be from GOD. There will be many bodies IN THE FULLNESS OF GOD.
Ephesians 2:22 In whom also we are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.
Christ has a body in which THE FULLNESS OF GOD DWELLS; we are THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we ALL come in to the unity of the faith (of Jesus Christ), and the KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON OF GOD, unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature OF THE FULLNESS OF CHRIST (GOD).
God's kingdom will not if the Holyspirit blasphem itself!
You see the notion here in Luke 11:17-18. But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them,
( Every kingdom ) divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
What is the works and purpose of the Holyspirit?
Here's a few:
:He seals us.
Ephesians 4:30. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
If God seals us can we unsealed ourselves? If so what does a seal mean?
He teaches us:
1 Corinthians 2:13. WHICH THINGS ALSO WE SPEAK, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Would the Holyspirit teach man to blasphem the Holyspirit?
1 John 2:27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Anyone who thinks a Christian can blasphem the Holyspirit may not understand what blasphem the Holyspirit means.
Now lets revisit Luke 12:10 and see who Jesus is talking to and who the warning goes out to.
Luke 12:1 (KJV) In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the PHARISEES, which is hypocrisy.
Chapter 11 the Lord is giving the woes to the Pharisees.
Chapter 12 he's taking to the disciples about the leaven of the Pharisees.
He's not warning the disciples of blasphemy of the Holyspirit. HE CHOSE THEM AND HE CAN KEEP THEM.
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
The 'heart' of course is such an immaterial concept, so we who live in a see/touch dimension find it difficult to understand & identify. I can best equate it to the residence of our spirit and to which place, the Holy Spirit is also found in all those who believe. And even though the Spirit continues to affect our spirits in many ways to the end of forming "Christ in us", sadly our minds tend to run riot at times, entertaining fleshly pursuits, affecting our spirit. And so the continual urging to "be renewed in the spirit of your mind" ( Ephesians 4:23) & Romans 12:2: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God" must be our constant pursuit.
And if being "carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace" ( Romans 8:6), our minds must be specially affected by the Holy Spirit - and for that to happen, we put away sins in the mind & invite the Spirit to replace them with all that is pure & holy. And even in our struggles in the flesh, we know that "it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" ( Philippians 2:13) & that work will never cease for it is God's Will & for His Joy for our holiness & bearing His Son's Image.
In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called "PARADISE" by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "HELL" here is not the Greek word "HADES" but is the Greek word "TARTARUS" meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).
Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things" ( Ephesians 4:8-10). Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the lower parts refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!
Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
2 Corinthians 12:20
For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
Galatians 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Ephesians 2:3
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 4:26
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Matthew 28:1 - says it was Sunday Jesus rose
Mark 16:1 - same the same
John 20:1 - same
Luke 24:1 - very early in the morning the first day of the week (Sunday), even more specific.
I think it's solid that Jesus was gone from the tomb by early on Sunday morning.
Theory: maybe Matthew 12:40 doesn't mean Jesus's body in the tomb, but Jesus preaching to spirits in hades in the center of the earth? 1 Peter 3:18-20, Ephesians 4:8-10. Maybe his body was in the tomb from Friday to Sunday morning, but his spirit was in the 'lower parts of the earth' for 3 days and 3 nights. This is only a theory.
Ephesians 4:5-7
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 1:3 KJV
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
God has given us his inspired scripture, and he has given us servants to carry out his Message, ""Messengers" these Messengers are gifts and he also given the messengers gifts.
Ephesians 4:1-15. I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
WITH all LOWLINESS and MEEKNESS, with LONGSUFFERING, forbearing one another in LOVE;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of PEACE.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and CARRIED ABOUT WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, by the sleight of men, and CUNNING CRAFTINESS, WHEREBY THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE;
But speaking the TRUTH IN LOVE, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
John 14:6-7. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
""If the messengers don't display the truth, Christ is not in him and we don't follow his teachings, because we being Jesus sheep don't hear Jesus voice, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE!
Paul gives us a list (maybe not intended to be comprehensive) of those specially equipped by the Spirit "for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ". And I note that the position of the Elders & Deacons (1 Timothy chap 3) are excluded from the list, indicating that their appointments were based on other criteria & not as a Spirit-enabled (but Spirit-led) provision.
Looking at Paul's list, the apostolic era was well & truly over (by the 1st Century) & could it also be the same with the prophetical era as God's Word was finally completed at the revelation given to John? So, the work of the Evangelist still goes on (& not referring to a believer's personal witness to someone), as also does the work of a Pastor & Teacher. I realize that there have been many 'prophets' over the centuries & even in recent times, but I always question their materiel & how accurate their prophecies have been. I'm inclined to think rather negatively about such claims, especially from their recent dismal showing.
So I tend to believe that the work of the Elder or Teacher of the Word is sufficient to fulfil the role of 'forthteller', in wisdom sharing what the Spirit desires to be taught to God's children.
So no answer to my question of "where have you heard this"? Again, the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, and the Holy Ghost are all spoken of as one in John 14. Also as I have stated that the word "ghost" and "spirit" are the same Greek word in the Greek texts. Just translated to two English words that mean the same thing. Is not the word Holy more important than "ghost" or "spirit"? If it is Holy it is from God.
So in places like Luke 11:13 is Jesus speaking of another "spirit or ghost" than in John or anywhere else? How's John 7:39? There are many other verses also that speak of "the Spirit of God" and the "Spirit of Christ" being in you after you are saved. Romans 8:9, ( 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 4:30.
Do you know of ( 1 John 5:7? Where it states the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one?
Seeing as you have not given an answer to my one question I shall not entertain your foolish question. Which has nothing to do with our discussion.
Thank you for your time. I hope what I have posted shall open your eyes.
God Bless.