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Gerald, my Precious friend, I'll take your question "2: How should we be baptized?" Better

is to first ask: Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then find out "how."

IF not, then no need to find that out, Correct? Here is my "Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli"priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITHThe Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things ThatDiffer!:

Mystery/GRACE! =our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul WasNot Sent to water baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,Spiritually Identifying members Into The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) MYSTERY/GRACE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONEOR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God'sAnswer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely "Solves" theMany Severely DIVIDED denominations' Confusion!?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

Brother Glenn:

While we suffer in this body of flesh, we are flesh; gods of this world (Satan's children). But we can know the truth of what's TO COME.

God is SPIRIT; Christ was born of Spirit (God); therefore Christ is Spirit (God).

We are BORN AGAIN of Spirit, receiving only the down payment. But when we receive the FULL PAYMENT we also become a God as is Christ.

Ephesians 1:17 That THE GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit

of WISDOM and REVELATION in the knowledge of him:

Ephesians 4:6 One GOD and FATHER of ALL.....

God is the Father of Christ, Christ is a Son of God. All the FULLNESS of God is in him; therefore he is a God. Christ IS NOT the Father, WE ARE NOT Christ , but will have the FULLNESS of God therefore we will be a God.

This happens when we are REDEEMED at the death of our fleshly body.

Amen and Amen, Brother Alex!

It is so hard for those who have not yet completely died (first death) to Christ to COMPREHEND that they are going to be EXACTLY like Christ.

When wheat seed is planted, the farmer ALWAYS harvest wheat seed. It's ALWAYS an exact copy of the seed planted.

This is TRUE of all seed planted including the WORD OF GOD.

Luke 8:11 The parable is this: the SEED is the Word of GOD.

This SEED; planted in us, will produce SEED EXACTLY like the SEED planted.

We become the living word, just as Christ is the living SEED (WORD).

At the death of this body of flesh, Jesus will send the angels to reap the harvest (SEED).

Ephesians 4:13 Til WE ALL come into the UNITY of the faith, and knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the FULLNESS of Christ.

Christ is the FULLNESS of the FATHER, we WILL BE the FULLNESS of Christ.

John 17:21 That they ALL may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may BELIEVE that thou hast SENT ME.

You are going to be GODS!

Hi Adam,

I understand your frustration and I feel the same way. In this world, nothing saddens me more than unbelievers and how it makes God feel.

Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

2 Corinthians 4:4 important

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

People's Bible Notes for 2 Co 4:4

The god of this world. See Joh 12:31,40 Php 3:19. Satan is called the prince of this world, and the god of this world. Hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. By his devices he blinds the eyes of men so they should not see the light of gospel. The image of God. He who would see God may see him in the face of Christ. See Joh 14:9.

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the "faithless", the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

2 Corinthians 6:14

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Hebrews 3:12

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Hebrews 12:14

Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

John 3:18

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Hebrews 11:6

And without faith it is impossible to please him for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Kipyegon In the Epistle of James 3:13-17, Phillipians 4:8 just to name a few. to deal with in practice Colossians 3:1:17, 5-11 put off, 12-17 put on , also to put off Ephesians 4: 22-32. All to put to memory, and to summarize Phillippians 4:9 and the God of peace shall be with you. God Bless

Trudy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

He who is born of the flesh is flesh, he who is born of the Spirit is SPIRIT.

Does SPIRIT need clothes, streets to walk on, houses with rooms to live in, windows to look out of, doors to go through, sun to give light, food to eat, water to drink.

Behold all things have become NEW.

You want exist as you do NOW.

You become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST (fullness of Deity), who only hath immortality (life with no end).

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God,unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature of the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.

Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be FILLED WITH ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

Which is his body, the FULLNESS of him that filleth all in all.

Colossians 1:29 For in him dwelleth all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery...CHRIST IN YOU....

John 3:13 No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven (CHRIST IN YOU).

Luke 17:21 .....THE kingdom of GOD is WITHIN YOU.

Revelation 21:1 You are the NEW HEAVEN

S Spencer I believe your anger is misplaced have read your scripture references missing context somewhere so okay if my mistake prayerfully you'll forgive me. I'm endeavoring to follow Ephesians 4:29, not saying I always hit the target.

Lately, after reading the scriptural passages and reading the posts on this forum I find myself thinking of my own life. This is me, and I pray no one on this platform thinks I am pointing fingers at everyone else.

I thank the Lord for everyone who takes the time to post their thoughts and encouragement for all who come to this forum. The Lord be praised for His long suffering and mercies to me and all who seek Him. I know I should not sin, but when I repent my God is a Loving and a Forgiving God. Thank you Lord for your Word. 2 Timothy 3:16, 17. For your Holy Spirit in me and all who are yours. Ephesians 4:30.

Although it seems as if we are losing the battle, fret not, we win the war! As we used to say in school, I know because I read the last chapter of the book.

May the Lord bless all, and may we all follow hard unto the Lord God Jesus Christ.

Pray for those in Authority and also the lost.

July 2021

I was responding to the posts about 1 Thess: 4:17, 18

The Rapture; Caught Up; In the Clouds

End of Days

I am an Evangelist. I see lambs, sheep, wolves, hirelings and those called to be shepherds.

I'm just going to leave it at that and ask God to raise up more shepherds who care for the Sheep. To guide, in one accord, all those who want to know what the Caught Up is, and how to be a participant in that?

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

1 Peter 4:9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. All of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and gives grace to the humble.

Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love & good works.

This isn't a comment, been receiving your verse a day for many years. Start my day off with it.But now I wake up and take the verse and put it on a app. Listening to the Holy Spirit on what to say. On line, at first I got this isn't the place for God's Word, but months later, people are saying thanks, amen, gotten JW, anti christ believer. But people our listening and growing in the word of God, Today's verse was James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Used submit to parents, Then I went to the prodigal son story, to the rich man and Lazarus, to putting on the whole armour of God. And lastly John 3:16. Other Bible verses Ephesians 4:27: Luke 8:11-12, I Peter 5:8, I John 3:8, Zechariah 1:3, Psalms 73: 28.

It's all about having someone come to the Lord Jesus Christ, and believing, trusting, and giving their life to him as their Savior. We both our God's servant, what a blessing!

Hi Connie.

We all minister to the saints, You can do that without uttering a word! You're ministering when you're helping, There's no office or gift that stands out above another being that God gave the Church these Ministers and also the gifts.

Joel 2:28 " I will pour out my spirit on

" ALL "flesh, Have that happen yet? I'm afraid not. Has "ALL" Israel began to Prophecy? No but they will during the Millennium.

Peter said in

Acts 2:16. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; " IT IS LIKE THAT OF JOEL'S PROPHECY.

God said "I will pour my spirit upon ALL flesh" This parallels with Ezekiel 37. They're in the land but have they received the Spirit? NO.

Ezekiel 37:14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Joel 2:27-28. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of ISRAEL, AND THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, and none else: and MY PEOPLE SHALL NEVER BE ASHAMED.

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

( THIS IS DURING THE MILLENNIUM )

HERE'S THE CHURCH INSTRUCTIONS.

Ephesians 4:11-12. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Paul says the Older woman is to teach the younger.

Titus 2:3-4.

1 Timothy 2:11-15. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

GB.

2 Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.

Romans 12:16

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

1 Corinthians 2:16

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Titus 2:1

But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Titus 2:2

That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Titus 1:13

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound [mind] in the faith;

Titus 1:9

Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Ephesians 4:23

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Philippians 2:5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Philippians 2:2

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Baptism of The Holyspirit.

Part 3. with corrections.

We see the work of the spirit through the baptism of the Holyspirit in Ephesians.

Often people debate if baptism by water is essential for salvation as well as can you loose your salvation. if what's mentioned in Ephesians is not present in your life it's possible you never had salvation.

Everyone dipped in water wasn't internally cleaned, never was the old man crucified and no evidence of the New Man.

Fruitless , Still dead in trespass and sins!!

BECAUSE WATER BAPTISM IS JUST AN CEREMONIAL OUTWARD EXPRESSION OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE ONCE AND IF YOU ( TRULY) BELIEVED.

Did you notice Verse 5?

Ephesians 4:4-5. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5) "One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM,"

Does that mean water baptism and Baptism of the Holyspirit is one of the same? NO!

JOHN SAYS HE BAPTIZED WITH WATER BUT CHRIST WILL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT!!

Water baptism is a ceremonial profession of your faith.

And "IF" your profession was real only then you will see spiritual growth through feeding on the word.

No longer tossed to and fro by strange doctrine. Trying to understand scripture through the wisdom of the world, so called "common sense" fleshly minds, God's word will be written on your Fleshly Tables of the heart. Not a heart of stone!! This in the inner Man!! and A New life!

Not to perfection but A true heart pursuing it.

And God Judge the heart.

GOD BLESS.

Baptism of The Holyspirit.

We see the work of the spirit through the baptism of the Holyspirit in Ephesians.

Of people debate if baptism by water is essential for salvation as well as can you loose your salvation. if what's mentioned in Ephesians is not present in your life it's possible you never had salvation.

Everyone dipped in water wasn't internally cleaned, never was the old man crucified and no evidence of the New Man.

Fruitless , Still dead in trespass and sins!!

BECAUSE WATER BAPTISM IS JUST AN CEREMONIAL OUTWARD EXPRESSION OF WHAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE ONCE AND IF YOU ( TRULY) BELIEVED.

Did you notice Verse 5?

Ephesians 4:4-5. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5) "One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM,"

Does that mean water baptism and means the same? NO!

JOHN SAYS HE BAPTIZED WITH WATER BUT CHRIST WILL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLYSPIRIT!!

Water baptism is a ceremonial profession of your faith.

And "IF" your profession was real only then you will see spiritual growth through feeding on the word.

No longer tossed to and fro by strange doctrine. Trying to understand scripture through the wisdom of the world, so called "common sense" fleshly minds, God's word will be written on your Fleshly Tables of the heart. Not a heart of stone!! This in the inner Man!! and A New life!

Not to perfection but A true heart pursuing it.

And God Judge the heart.

GOD BLESS.

Baptism of the Holyspirit.

Part 2.

Ephesians 4:16-32. FROM WHOM THE WHOLE BODY FITLY JOINED TOGETHER AND COMPACTED BY THAT WHICH EVERY JOINT SUPPLIETH, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, MAKETH INCREASE OF THE BODY UNTO THE EDIFYING OF ITSELF IN LOVE.

This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

But ye have not so learned Christ;

If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

THAT YE PUT OFF CONCERNING THE FORMER CONVERSATION THE OLD MAN, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

( AND BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND;)

AND THAT YE PUT ON THE NEW MAN, WHICH AFTER GOD IS CREATED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND (TRUE HOLINESS.)

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: (FOR WE ARE MEMBERS ONE OF ANOTHER.)

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Neither give place to the devil.

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

AND GRIEVE NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, (WHEREBY YE ARE SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.)

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

ALLL THIS WORK IS ACCOMPLISHED "THROUGH" THE SPIRIT BY BAPTISM OF THE HOLYSPIRIT.

SEE PART 3

Part 1.

BAPTISM OF THE HOLYSPIRIT.

An ( INWARD) WORK OF GOD through the Holyspirit Identifying us with the death and resurrection of Christ.

WATER BAPTISM.

An ( OUTWARDLY) testimony expressed by you testifying you believe what's mentioned above is to be true and a work of God.

Here's the work of the baptism of the Holyspirit spirit ( IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE)

You will see the death and resurrection and newness of life in these verses!

Ephesians 4:1-15. I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, "ONE BAPTISM,"

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Wherefore he saith, When he ASCENDED up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth?

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)

AND HE GAVE some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST:

Till we all come in the UNITY of the faith, and of the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

THAT WE HENCEFORTH BE NO MORE CHILDREN, TOSSED TO AND FRO, AND CARRIED ABOUT WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, BY THE SLEIGHT OF MEN, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

BUT SPEAKING THE TRUTH IN LOVE, MAY GROW UP INTO HIM IN in ALL THINGS, WHICH IS THE HEAD, EVEN CHRIST:

SEE PART 2.

Like things that talk about God's world i want to know more about God's world

To both the gentleman that replied to my comment through email I humbly apologize if I offended you that wasn't my intention it probably was just that it was so early in the morning when I saw that and I was looking for something specific and when I saw someone's comment but they erased it (Thank You Jesus) now but the comment was in regards to this scripture and he was so wrong that it bothered me ! So yes in fact people need to voice their opinion that's how they get their point across and can gently be advised to TRUTH . Upon rereading my comment I was a bit harsh but I get Defensive about my JESUS I love HIM Hallelujah Glory LORD JESUS I'll defend HIM until my death Amen. I Still say there's only one Lord one Faith one Baptism . ( Ephesians 4:5) everyone/ Then Peter said unto them, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of The Holy Ghost ( ACTS 2:38 )( JOHN 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (JESUS is LORD and GOD over all and that's not my Opinion it is indeed FACT, HALLELUJAH GLORY TO HIM ALONE!! )

I really hope you people who openly write your opinions STOP!! Because yes in fact JESUS is saying before Abraham I AM , the same I AM that told Moses in the Old Testament. Isaiah 9:6 says it best who JESUS is and if you need New Testament to back up who HE is 1st Timothy 3:16 but this one clearly nails it John 1:10,11 He was in the world and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own and his own received Him not.)HALLELUJAH GLORY BE TO GOD, JESUS is GOD Manifested in the flesh as 1st Timothy 3:16 and ISAIAH 9:6 so clearly and plainly put it!! Why do you think we are to be baptized in His Name ? ACTS 2:38 , because JESUS himself was Water baptized as an example to us as to what HE expects EVERYONE who WANTS SALVATION to do as HE Stated to Nicodemus in JOHN3:5 Verily, verily, I say unto thee .Except a man be born of the Water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ( Peter Preached on the day of Pentecost in the book of ACTS 2:38 to Repent and be baptized in Jesus Name filled with the Holy Ghost. EPHESIANS 4:5 says One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism . ( John 1:1 through 5) in the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God , and the Word was God . The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ( Same as some people today ) In Jesus Name I Bid you Peace

1 John 4:14 Jesus will save the world

May, CHRIST GRACE US with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There are VARIETY OF EFFECTS, but the SAME GOD who works ALL THINGS in ALL PERSONS.

1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which WOKETH ALL IN ALL.

ALL THINGS originate from God.

1 Corinthians 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man by the woman, but ALL THINGS OF GOD.

God is operating ALL.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained (been given) an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose (save all mankind) of him who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent (commissioned/commanded) the Son (the WORD) to be saviour of the world.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return into me void, but it (the WORD, CHRIST) shall accomplish that which I please, and it (CHRIST) shall prosper in the thing (salvation of the world) whereto I sent it.

He who fills ALL in ALL.....Father of ALL.....who is OVER ALL...THROUGH ALL....IN ALL

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body (each of us), the FULLNESS OF HIM that filleth ALL in ALL.

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL and in you ALL.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the saviour of ALL men, specially those that believe.

1 Timothy 3:11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

Sister Mrs. Joanne Peters, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Ephesians 4:5 There is one body, one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling;

You are the ONE BODY (as everyone else), the SPIRIT (of God; CHRIST) lives IN YOU, and gives YOU everything he is, this one hope (in God's eyes a finished work) is that through the WORK OF CHRIST IN YOU we will be delivered from sin and death (flesh, the ways of the world) into the glorious liberty of the Sons (daughters) of God; the EXACT LIKENESS OF CHRIST. You do nothing on your part, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, you are just a vessel made only to hold CHRIST. You (sinful flesh) died on the cross of CHRIST; YOU were raised with Christ and Christ lives for you, gracing you with all he is; love, peace, truth, perfection, mercy, faithfulness, wisdom, understanding, knowledge, etc.

Ephesians 4:6 One Lord (Christ), one faith (and Christ GIVES you his (ONE) faith), one baptism (you were baptised into Christ death; your flesh died with his flesh and was resurrected with him in a NEW BODY (this one body; the body of Christ in us).

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptised into JESUS CHRIST (not water) were baptised into his death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he hath part in the first resurrection; on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Is there such a thing as a heavenly language. I hear some people say when you are baptized in the Holy Spirit that you speak in other tongues and this is the evidence you've been baptized in the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4:5-6 One Lord, one faith, one baptism. Please explain. Thank you.

Brother Scott, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endue to the END (times), the same shall be saved.

You say the subject is end times and tribulation.

Did the people 1900 years ago have to consider this verse also. Did they died without Christ; not making it to the end times and tribulation. Whats going to happen to you if you die before the tribulation and the end times come. I don't think you understand End TIME and TRIBULATION.

Revelation 22:10 Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

I COME QUICKLY

Revelation 3:11

Revelation 22:7

Revelation 22:12

Revelation 22:20

Revelation 2:16

Revelation 11:14

Revelation 2:5

It has been 2000 year since these words were written; is that QUICKLY, perhaps with more study and more REVELATION, TRUTH would be more clear.

Hebrews 9:28

Colossians 3:4

He APPEARS to us now in TRUTH of HIS WORD (written and living, Holy Spirit). At the death of this body of flesh (end time) he shall APPEAR to us to FACE to FACE.

1 John 3:2

Ephesians 4:13

Ephesians 1:10

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...

Good Answer

Once we are saved; we were sealed by the holy Ghost and God promised a place in Heaven

Ephesians 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

John 14:2

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Mr Gee you know your stuff ! Thankyou for sharing your conviction ,which is grounded in the Bible ,The Word Of God not the tube of you or the net of inter or the pastor of ego .

Yes surely missionaries are apostles, but I am referring to the office of an apostle not the definition of apostle.

5 Fold to start the church read your scriptures.

3 fold now the office of prophets and apostles is found today in THE WORD OF GOD.

The WORD is the foundation or should be the foundation for any true church

If you feel you need to here from some modern day prophet or apostle you are mistaken.

Heaven and earth will pass away but my WORD will live forever

Eph 2:20 Apostles and Prophets are foundation

Foundation is put down once

CHRIST is the HOLY SPIRIT if you read Colossians Chap 1 "Christ in You!"

And HE is the Chief Cornerstone

This is the era for evangelists , pastors and teachers

The Unity of the FAITH is the WORD of GOD

We now have a complete bible not letters here and there

This is what leads to not being TOSSED by every wind of DOCTRINE

The BIBLE is the STANDARD

Perhaps you should stop reading so many other books and just stick to scripture

Perhaps you will than be able to RIGHTLY divide the WORD of TRUTH

No other documents are needed just the bible

Line upon line precept upon precept

If you rely on some other person to lead you to the truth you are greatly mistaken

What does FOUNDATION mean to you?

I am not talking about missionaries.

I am talking about the men GOD CHOSE, CALLED and gave power to.

To not only do signs and wonders but who wrote the very words of the New Testament

These were special messengers with a divine calling.

A season for everything under the sun.

Do you think Until we all come to the Unity of the faith means for eternity?

Because if you have not checked there are over 4000 different faiths, so when are we expected to have unity?

The word of God brings UNITY to all who discover the hidden truths

God will have Mercy on whom he will have Mercy

and God will harden whomsoever he hardens

Bible says put your trust in No Man

You are not representing what is written in 1 Corinthians 12. Through Paul, the Body of Christ on this present day earth is explained. These gifts are given by the Holy Spirit; as He wills. Not as people will.

The gifts and callings are without repentance. As we stay plugged into Jesus, by way of the Holy Spirit: the gifts operate; as He wills it. He anoints the person with the gift.

If we don't know anything about these gifts, it's not going to make much sense to the natural mind. The natural mind of man/woman is at enmity with God.

There's a really good book you can pick up: "The Spiritual Man", by Watchman Nee. It will enlighten you just how useless a gift is when it's guided by a mind of carnality.

I do not mean to offend anyone at all. I found that very WEIGHTY book quite offensive! I stuck with it and knew that the rest of my life would be a battle between spiritual, or carnal (flesh; meat).

The soul is like a willful child that follows whatever is dragging it along.

The thought that we could fully give ourselves to take on the character of the Spiritual man/woman is a lifelong quest to follow the Holy Spirit. Whatever he says, do it. He will prepare us and anoint us for each task.

You need to accept that there are modern day, apostles. They are called MISSIONARIES. They go to where God leads them. The local church sends, equips, supports financially, intercedes for. They go where others are terrified to go. They could be killed for their work.

God still has Prophets. God speaks, they listen. The ones that God uses today aren't on stage: they are intercessors who give birth to Thus Saith The Lord. Ezekial 37:5. It's full time ministry. Stand in the gap; Build up a Hedge of prayer and protection. Fight off attacks from satan Eph 6. Sit in the Watchtowers. They don't have time or desire for worldly pleasures. War Room people.

We should all give our gifts to God for His use.

ISAIAH 6:7-11

Mishael

The Criteria for being an apostle was to have seen the resurrected Christ ( Acts 1:22)

Apostles and Prophets are the foundation of the church and Christ the Chief Cornerstone

( Eph. 2:20)

There are no more Apostles and Prophets they are the foundation.

The foundation of the church is The Word of God.

Old testament Prophets wrote most of the Old Testament, the Apostles wrote most of the New Testament, except Jude a servant, Hebrews writer unknown.

Apostles and Prophets were chosen by God for a special purpose, the Apostles were given power and authority to do the will of God.

Any one claiming to be either a prophet or an apostle in this dispensation of the church would have to be considered FALSE.

This is what brings "UNITY of the Faith"

This is what keeps you from being tossed about by every wind of doctrine.

Evangelists, pastors and teachers.

Lastly if Apostles and Prophets were relevant in this era, Paul would have told Timothy to ordain them instead of elders. But Paul knew Ecc 3:1 "There is a season for everything under the sun" and he knew the season for apostles ended with him 1Cor 15

(Part 2)

Jesus Himself said in John 6:37, "All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and the one coming to me I will NEVER CAST OUT." Jesus goes on to say in John 6:39, "And this is the will of the Father who has sent me, in order that of all which he has given to me I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up in the last day." If you read John 17:11-12, you see that we are kept by God's power.

I firmly believe in the permanency of salvation because the Bible teaches that God is the One who saves and He does so from out of His mercy. Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 that grace, faith, and salvation are gifted from God.

In 1 John Chapter 5 Verse 18, John says "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin; but the one who has been born from God, God IS KEEPING him, and the evil one does not touch him." John also says in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will NEVER PERISH FOREVER and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."

Paul emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit. He says in Ephesians 1:13-14, "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the GUARANTEE of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."

Paul says again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were SEALED FOR THE DAY OF REDEMPTION."

(One more post to come)

Rawlie,

The ecumenical movement has been around for a long time now. This movement talks about unity among believers which sounds great, but if the goal is to bring all denominations and religions together as one, then that is something we must be cautious about.

Ephesians 4:3 says, "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

This tells us to keep the unity. We're already united in Christ. We don't have to make the unity. We're already united. We have to keep the unity. Satan is trying to divide the unity. And even if he succeeds in the human to get us to quarrel and have our differences or whatever, we still have unity in the Spirit. We're still one in Christ.

The theme of Philippians is about fellowship, and what it takes for a believer to have fellowship with other believers. That's the problem that Paul dealt with a lot. We are to tolerate one another in the love of Christ. We are to make it a top priority to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

But to bring all denominations together as one is a bad idea because it will cause problems. In 1 Corinthians 11:19, it says that there must be heresies among us and that division is necessary. The word heresy comes from the root word that means choice. That's what heresy is. It's when I choose to believe that the bible is teaching something that's not in the bible.

Most of the church today is made up of heresies and that's what divides one church from another church. It's why we have so many different denominations. We go over the same scriptures, and one side says "We believe that it says this," and another side will say "Well, we believe it means this!"

It says for it is necessary for there to be heresies. It's interesting that Paul didn't say "There shouldn't be any heresies." There have to be heresies in the church. Why? So that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. Did you know that God ordains division?