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Sorry Yvonne Mathis, I have been having some trouble recently with Internet server or something. I tried to respond with scripture.

(will we know people? In Heaven) John 10:14, John 15:15, Acts 15:18, 2 Corinthians 3:2, 2 Corinthians 6:7-10,

1 Corinthians 13:12, Isaiah 40:11, Isaiah 60:4, Isaiah 66:18, Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:27, Ephesians 1:10, Luke 16:19-31,

Hopefully these are encouraging & helpful in answering your questions in this.

Hello, Isaiah Abbise! The Scripture you quoted is Acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams," the Apostle Peter is quoting Joal 2:28, Joal having prophesized the Pentecost when Jesus would send the Holy Spirit. If you are born again, the Holy Spirit is given at the moment of salvation ( Ephesians 1:13). Galatians 3:2. This is in contrast to the filling of the Spirit referred to in Ephesians 5:18. We should be so completely yielded to the Holy Spirit that He can possess us fully and, in that sense, fill us. Romans 8:9. God bless you!

Wesley's Notes for Ephesians 1:17

1:17 That the Father of that infinite glory which shines in the face of Christ, from whom also we receive the glorious inheritance, # Eph 1:18|, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation - The same who is the Spirit of promise is also, in the progress of the faithful, the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; making them wise unto salvation, and revealing to them the deep things of God. He is here speaking of that wisdom and revelation which are common to all real Christians.

People's Bible Notes for Ephesians 1:17

Eph 1:17 That. This introduces the things for which he prayed God in their behalf. The Father of glory. The source of all spiritual glory. Give unto you the Spirit of wisdom. A gift of the Spirit. See PNT " 1Co 12:8". Divine wisdom works wisdom in believers. And revelation in the knowledge of him. The Spirit that reveals a knowledge of God and spiritual mysteries. This Spirit would enable them to better comprehend the "mystery" of God, the divine plans for human redemption in a better knowledge of him.

What shall I do to be saved ? Believe in Jesus, repent yourself, and be baptized!It's as simple as Paul taugh the prisioner's chief.

We are saved by faith in the mrits of Jesus's blood, and a repented heart to receive the Holy Spirit, through God's Mercy.

Like a mariage's cerimony, the baptism has a spiritual symbolism, and is a public recognition of God's acceptance of church's authority, to accept a new member of Jesus's spiritual body, which is the believers's communion.

the santificaton is the work of The Holy Spirit, through faith and by walking on The way that Jesus walked, folowing His exemple. There's no man who doesn't sin, that's why we allways remember, Jesus continuous intercession in Heaven, and repent ouselves again, repair and reemburse the one we ofended and ask God's forgiveness, resist devil's temptation, through prayer, nourishing ourselves on the word of God, and keep an humble, calm and undivided heart towards God, and fasting often, because this kind of demons, as Jesus advertised His disciples, aren't expelled unless we resist with all our strengh, effort and commitment to obey God's word, and focus our mind on the submission to The Holy Spirit. We can overcome sin, only by these means appointed by The Divine Master. men! As Jesus's disciples, we are suposed to persist walking on a close fellowship and togetherness with Jesus, through the assistance of The Holy Spirit and angels's ministry, in believers's comunion, fighting the Faith's good fight, to remain on Jesus's good works and exemple, by faith on Jesus's FAITH. ALELUIA! Maranata!

David R. Longerbeam In the context of this great Epistle of Ephesians is written to the faithful in Christ Jesus

who endeavor to walk by the spirit as much as is in them to do and walk in the great Agapeo or renewed mind

love of God. God can only give spiritual wisdom and revealed knowledge of His Son as we walk in that love of

God in Christ because it is literally revealed knowledge given by God through Christ who lives in us. As we put

the scriptures on in the mind and walk in that faith of Christ he shows us more and more spiritually as needed.

look at Ephesians 3:16-21 and have some inspirational fun. Look at the amount of Times IN Christ is used in

This epistle that's how God views us spiritually. Ephesians 1:3 we have already been blessed with all spiritual

blessings in heavenlies, that gets the spiritual blood pumping. As believers in His Eyes were spiritually perfect!

What do you think Paul was referring to in vs 17 ch 1

Cowboy:

God says, You don't CHOSE me, I CHOSE YOU.

You don't contribute one single thing to your salvation.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also obtain an inheritance, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you IT IS GIVEN on the behalf of Christ, to BELIEVE ON HIM .....

1 Peter 1:21 Who BY HIM do BELIEVE in God .....

Salvation is a GIFT of GOD, through GRACE and MERCY.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my spirit within you, and (I WILL) CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my commandments and DO THEM.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that worketh in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

You do nothing, it's all the WORK OF GOD.

And they will say unto me in that day, LORD DID WE NOT DO, and he will say depart you workers of iniquity.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give POWER OVER the nations.

God Bless YOU.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 "caught up"

Part I

PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure

A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our COMFORT And Consolation. Amen. 1 Thessalonians 4:18

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A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

Time Of JACOB's (Israel's) Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom "ages" past/future Genesis-John Hebrews-Revelation

God's "Earthly Kingdom" Purpose From "the foundation of the world" Matthew 25:34

God's Purpose Prophesied "since the world began" Luke 1:68-70 Acts 3:21

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST, Ending God's Age Of GRACE, Is Found In

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God, Which Is Current for us, Today, Under GRACE = "But NOW!" Romans through Philemon, Especially Romans 3:21 Ephesians 2:13

"Whereof I am made a minister, According To The (GRACE) Dispensation Of God Which Is Given To me for you, to Fulfil The Word of God; Even The Mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, BUT NOW Is Made Manifest to his saints" Colossians 1:25-26

God's "Heavenly Hidden" Purpose Before "the foundation of the world" Ephesians 1:4 2 Timothy 1:9

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret "since the world began" Romans 16:25 Ephesians 1:4-8 Ephesians 1:8-11 Ephesians 3:5-9

to be continued in Part II God's Great GRACE Departure

Part III God's Great GRACE Departure

B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming continued

The Second 'prophesied' Coming

Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From Things That DIFFER

God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly 'Mystery!'

1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!

CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven! Ephesians 1:19-23 Colossians 1:18 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel, And With The Trump of God! 1 Thessalonians 4:16

3) JESUS CHRIST, Who Is God, Will Bring With Him, those "asleep In JESUS," who Were With Him In Heaven! 2 Corinthians 5:6,8 Philippians 1:21,23 1 Thessalonians 4:13,14

4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those asleep (in 3) First, and Then, we "which are alive and remain (which Is A Mystery)," will be changed/all "incorruptible, And Caught Up together (rapture) to meet The LORD in the air (Not all the way to the earth), in the twinkling of an eye!" 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 1 Corinthians 15:52-53

5) CHRIST "Gathers His Body To HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven" (Opposite of earth)... 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 1 Corinthians 15:49 2 Corinthians 12:2 2 Corinthians 5:1,2 Ephesians 1:3,20 Ephesians 2:6 Philippians 3:20 2 Timothy 4:18

6) ...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body, By The Head Himself!... Romans 2:6,16 Romans 14:10-12 1 Corinthians 3:6-11 1 Corinthians 3:12-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 6:20 2 Corinthians 5:10 Ephesians 6:8 Colossians 3:24-25

to be continued in:

Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

Hi Gigi The apostle Paul wrote what he was told by revelation from Jesus Christ which required no study

on his part, just believing and teaching and writing and biggest of all being an example. The information

given Him was a secret kept before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4. See Ya

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b. Page 5 of the article: I understand that Ironside is stating that our perseverance in the faith is not according to the power of our mind or will, but in concert with the Holy Spirit's enabling & persevering with us. God in us will do everything to enable His child to live for Him, deal with sin as it confronts us & walk as the redeemed of God. If I lived in such a manner in my own power, I would certainly fail as the flesh cannot combat the spiritual forces working against me - it has to be the Holy Spirit that empowers us ( Philippians 2:13; Ephesians 3:20). But if we're not 'committed to living the Christian life' in unabashed rampant sin, then the question remains, 'are we even saved'? Would God be so gracious to send forth His Spirit to reside in us to seal & secure us, & then say, 'O dear, I think I erred, let's get back out of that residence?' And if we then come to our senses & repent, that His Spirit returns back to us - maybe again & again? I never see the Spirit's movement as that of a yo-yo - once residing in the truly saved person, He's there to stay & keeps us saved & living for the Lord. That's why it behoves us never to judge one another - we simply cannot know another's spiritual condition with all certainty - but the Lord knows those who are His.

c. Page 7: Here, Ironside speaks of having eternal life now, "I am a Christian now if I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ; believing on Him I have eternal life". He then says that he has it in a dying body, waiting for the redemption of that body. When that body sees its (completed) redemption, he will experience that eternal life (he had on Earth) in all its fullness "spirit, soul and body, entirely conformed to Christ". It is in this sense, that he has hope of eternal life - not just the assurance when on Earth, but now in fullness, with the Lord ( 1 John 5:11-13; Ephesians 1:4-14).

Every blessing brother.

Precious friend, Gerry Shaver, I will pray for you; please Be Encouraged In The LORD JESUS CHRIST

2 Corinthians 12:9 God's Power Of ALL-Sufficient GRACE in our weaknesses and infirmities:

"PEACE With God," and knowing what good "tribulation worketh in us" Romans 5:1-5

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18

The Spirit "helps our infirmities, And Prays For us" Romans 8:26

The Spirit "Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God" Romans 8:27

God Makes "all things Work Together For Good," for HIS Own Romans 8:28

We are "Predestinated To Be Conformed To The Image Of God's SON" Romans 8:29

God Helps us "bear our testings" 1 Corinthians 10:13

We have The Wonderful "Comfort Of God!" 2 Corinthians 1:3-4

"For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a Far More Exceeding and Eternal Weight of Glory" 2 Corinthians 4:17

God will "change our vile body" to be "like HIS Glorious Body!" Philippians 3:21

Amen?

Conclusion:

"For our infirmities/sufferings"? Should we not "follow Paul our 'pattern'" 1 Ti 1:16?:

"And HE Said Unto me, My GRACE Is Sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power of CHRIST may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST's Sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10

Amen? And Amen.

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

1 John 5:7-8, in context: 1 John 5:1-12, Romans 12:3-6, Ephesians 4:4-5, John 17:9-23, 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, Ephesians 1:8-11,

John 1:1-5, John 10:14-17, John 10:28-30,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study for truth & understanding.

Genesis 4:17 left without name

Here is scripture & thought on the matter for deeper questions that are taught on this issue.

Genesis 1:26-28, Genesis 2:7,8,15,16,18,21,22,23,24, notice in Genesis 1:27-28, says male & female & have dominion over & subdue over the sea, air, and living thing that moveth on the earth. Then HE put 'the man" in garden. Was this a certain man & his wife seperated in a special garden? Notice in Genesis 1:29 all fruit from every tree was good for meat. However in the Garden that HE planted Genesis Genesis 2:8-9, he put the man he had formed & breathed life into him & he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7,

Genesis 4:15 presence of other people,

Hebrews 13:8, John 1:1-5, Leviticus 18, establishes GOD's law, James 1:13-16,

Luke 1:69, Psalms 89:24-27, Titus 2:11-12, Hebrews 5,

Genesis 4:25,26, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, one lineage from Adam to Seth to Jesus recorded lineage of redemption Matthew, we are adopted heirs through Christ, Ephesians 1:5

Many agree this lineage was significant to show fall of mankind & redemption

John 21:25

Hopefully this is helpful to your question.

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Hi Tersia. Could you have been referring to Ephesians 1:14 in the Good News Translation Bible? As hereunder:

"The Spirit is the guarantee that we shall receive what God has promised his people, and this assures us that God will give complete freedom to those who are his. Let us praise his glory!"

This particular version of the Bible is inaccurate - a little like the Readers Digest version. I know that the GNB is easier to read however, the correct message is often not recorded correctly. The King James Version is the most accurate, with a few others coming a close second.

So the KJV states it like this: "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

The meaning & expansion of this is: the Holy Spirit (seen in verse 13) is given to all those who have repented of their sins & put their faith in Jesus; this Spirit has come into the new follower of Christ & seals him/her (i.e. the Spirit's Presence is God's Seal of salvation marking that person as a child of God). And this seal which is "the earnest" (or, God's down-payment) of our new life in Christ (our inheritance), will always remain within the child of God until "the redemption of the purchased possession". And this means, that till the day when God calls us Home to be with Him physically in our new bodies, God's Spirit will always be with us on Earth to keep us 'sealed', guaranteeing our salvation, & to minister to us. Once we arrive to our Heavenly Home, the seal is no longer needed as our redemption (because of Christ's payment for us by His blood) is now fully complete - we're in God's Presence forever - no more earthly concerns & woes - no more temptations & sins. And this is all of God's Work, both in giving us His Son & bringing us into Glory - and for all this we can give "unto (Him) the praise of His Glory".

You're always welcome back here if you have other questions. The Lord bless you as you study Ephesians.

Hello Grace, yes it is the correct verse? Ephesians 1:14

Sister GiGi:

John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE, as thou Father art in me, and I in thee, that they may all be one in us ....

This says that whatever and however the Father and Son have existed since the beginning, is the way we will also exist, in them, forever.

Colossians 1:19 For it please the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth ALL in ALL.

You can have the doctrines of man, I will take the doctrines of WORD.

Ephesians 1:14 is this the verse you are referring to?

To GOD Be The Glory, Reading GOD'S Word and getting the true understanding, who you are and where you came FROM; Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. This meaning that we are like GOD himself wrapped up into an earthen vessel housing the spirit that is within us to do his will, his way here on earth, clearly it is written in Matthew in 6:10 Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven, GOD created us in His image to do the work here in earth as it is heaven, we are not to lose ourselves into this worldly world being disobedient to the call in which we were created to do, to be, and to say what Our Heavenly has predestine for each of us to do for His KINGDOM; 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people that we should show forth the praises of him he hath called us out of darkness into his marvelous light. GOD IS LOVE

Good Morning Barbara Due to Adams disobedience to Gods only command in Genesis 3 Eden, he handed over all the

authority was given by God to serpent [it wasn't a literal snake figure of speech for his satans sly deception] that's why

in luke 4:6 the devil tells Jesus all the power and authority was handed to him that was done by Adam. In Romans

8:20-22 that was and is the effect all of creation suffers animals included satan put all of creation in a power struggle or

his confusion. The opposite side when we believe in Romans 10:9+10 all that authority that adam lost we are given back

to us in Ephesians 1:17-21 we again have that power and authority when we claim the name above all names

Jesus Christ. Thank God for what he did for us by Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Godf Bless.

Hi Adam This is I read biblically concerning heaven carefully starting Genesis 1:6-8 verse 6 and God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters and let it divide the waters from the waters and let the dry land appear.

Verse 7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the

waters which were above the firmament and it was so.

Verse 8 And God called the firmament heaven and the evening and morning were the second day.

Verse 9 And God said Let the waters under the firmament be gathered into one place and let the dry land appear. So biblically when we jump in the air we are in heaven[ this is translated shamayim which means things heaved up or lifted up things] when an air plane flies biblically its in heaven. Then you have the heavenlies Ephesians 1:3 where it

states we have been blessed with spiritual blessings in Heavenly places in Christ. Also Ephesians 1:20 Christ is seating in the heavenlies on Gods right hand.

An interesting point is the most high powered telescopes looking into the heavens have found massive balls of water larger than earth floating as far out as they can see which is whet Genesis says. Gods word doesn't miss a beat . Hell , gehenna and sheol is another discussion.

Precious friend Victor, IF God's ETERNAL Salvation "is false," then I believe we have A Severe BIBLICAL problem With the Following Truths Of The SAVIOUR, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

1 The LORD "Knows them that are His" 2 Timothy 2:19, And, The LORD "Has ALWAYS Known them that are His" Ephesians 1:4

2 The LORD "Has NEVER Known" them that "Are NOT His" Matthew 7:21-23

3 Therefore, it is BIBLICALLY 'Impossible' for "one to be saved, AND THEN to be lost" Correct?

For More Encouragement And Edification, here is my 2-Part "study" (scroll down the page some) On 2 Corinthians 1:9-10 Three Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation Link

Gigi There is only one belief system or religion in the world that the all truth was made known that is Christianity and everything that a person has been given when born again. In all other religions there are higher levels of belief, so many steps where this or that get closer to higher power, holy water?, climb this holy mountain, chant this long, you name it and in th Church epistle Paul address it all. Paul's calling card was not just what he said, 1 Corinthians 1:4 demonstration of spirit and of power the word power [dunamis spiritual ability displayed]. Ephesians 1:19 exceeding greatness of His dunamis in us you and me who believe. Question you said you were ministered to laying on of hands is what I understand is God telling me first to move to get information on whether the problem is physical or spiritual and what to do, actually this fits into the category of word of knowledge information of whats going on, word of wisdom action to carry out to solve the problem. These people on tv. no dice its a great counterfeit because it is not guessing at all it is not analytical.

Page two coming.

Sis That gets back to rightly divided doctrine, and No private interpretation which has been handed down through the ages. I do what I do because it works not because its a nice head trip, Jesus Christ walked and talked in the realm of the miraculous, we can too which I KNOW most people don't believe but that's not my problem, that's what my God through his Son paid for in full. Because of His Sacrifice and resurrection we can Hebrews 4:16, Romans 12:2, Ephesians 5:1+2,

Ephesians 1:19, John 10:10, 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:22, there are over 400 of these called promises to us who believe.

I've learned by walking out and doing that is believing, I never received nothing until I read listened and Acted which by the way is why its called the book of Acts, they believed and moved.

The Lord to bless you Alice. God will help you__Mishael

Psalm 27:10

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Ephesians 1:5

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will,

There is no greater commandment from God than we are to love God and love others. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength. The second most important command is this: Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these ( Mark 12:30-31).

The ultimate commandment is to love. When we love God, we trust God, we trust God's Word, and we want to obey all His commandments. We love our neighbor (family, friends, children and strangers), we treat them with gentleness, kindness, patient, hope, support, trust, forgiveness, and we believe in them. In the same way, when we love ourselves, we are positive in our actions and hope, we believe in ourselves, and we believe in our position in Christ. When we love others, we are obeying God's greatest commandment.

Children's needs are small really: a bed, food, hugs and touch, a few special toys, a walk around the block to imprint where they live now, see other children. Assurance that you will never leave them; and that their mother is ok and they can talk to her in prayer. They don't need details unless they ask.

When sin happens, we wait 30 mins for impatience and anger to pass. Discuss the issue, both parties decide appropriate "punishment" calmly. I took a favorite toy and put high up out of reach for an hour so they see it and long to be restored to it. Set a alarm clock.

Yelling hardens the heart and resentment boils inside. Daily, read a few Proverbs & discuss their meaning.

Brother Dean, not only does he control the life of Christians, he controls the life of non Christians.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who worketh in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Ephesians 1:11 ...according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Man hates these words because man refuses to give up control of his life. He see himself as god of his life.

Sister Sacha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

God CHOOSE you before the foundations of the world: You CANNOT lose your salvation since you were CHOSEN, because you salvation is not up to you; but GOD.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath CHOSEN US in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in Christ) we have obtained an INHERITANCE (to become a Son of God), being predestinated according to the purpose of him who woreketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he that began a good work in you WILL PERFORM IT until the day of Jesus Christ.

John 15:16 You have not chosen me, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU, and ordained you (to be priest) ........

1 Peter 2:9 For you are a CHOSEN generation, a royal PRIESTHOOD .....

Exodus 40:15 ....for their ANOINTING shall surely be an everlasting PRIESTHOOD, throughout their generation.

May the SPIRIT reveal his TRUTHS to us, God bless you.

Hi David, It is a pleasure to discuss spiritual beliefs with others, even when we have theological differences! Now to Adam's ability of free will. Before Adam received the "breath of life" as recorded in Genesis 2:7, he had no life. All the faculties' we humans have, were in place. However, he could not choose to give himself life until the Spirit entered him. This is the only way we can have spirit living. Adam lost this at the tree. We can choose evil over Good. Remember Esau, he could choose to turn his back on God, but what did he experience in terms of giving himself back to God's promise? Hebrews' 12:17, "For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

As you well stated, "they lost the Spirit connection with God." Since then, humans, have lost that connection with God, and we are incapable of living the Spirit life of God by our choice. This is why Paul writes in Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." We are drawn to Spirit living by God's grace. God calls us. We do not choose Him; He must choose us. God commanded Adam and Eve to leave the Garden. They lost the Spirit of God in them. Therefore, they had no right to enter again. Cherubim angels guarded them from returning to Eden, though like Esau, I am sure they regretted their actions with tears.

We have the human capability to believe, but this is not saving faith. Saving faith, required to sustain our connection with God, is not something we grow into. It is a gift, Ephesians 2:8-9. And not a choice on our part. Recall that Jesus is the "Author and Finisher of our faith." Everything spiritual that Scripture says the redeem have is from God, and not of ourselves.

Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:6-7, Genesis 3:22-24,

Please note inbtween those scriptures GOD acts with compassion & mercy Genesis 3:21, & sacrifice of another creature to cover them.

Romans 16:19

Hopefully these are helpful.

Leviticus 23:19, Hebrews 10:1-10, Ephesians 1:7

Part I

2 Timothy 2:19 Has CHRIST "Always 'Known' HIS members Of The Body Of CHRIST"?

Most Assuredly, He Is Omniscient; According To ALL God-Inspired Scriptures!:

"According as He Hath Chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:" Ephesians 1:4

Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted Ephesians 1:4-6

God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance Ephesians 1:11

Eternal Assurance Is ONE Of "The Unsearchable RICHES Of CHRIST" Which Are "...According To The ETERNAL Purpose Which HE Purposed In CHRIST JESUS our LORD!" Ephesians 3:8,11

God Justified/Predestinating us To Be Conformed To The Image Of HIS SON! Romans 8:29

And those Predestinated, Are Also Called, Justified, And Glorified! Romans 8:30

"...If God Be For us, who can be against us?" Romans 8:31 Cancels ALL else, Correct?

"Who shall lay Any Thing to the charge of God's elect? It Is God Who Justifies us!" Romans 8:33

God Prepared vessels of Mercy, For HIS Glory! Romans 9:23

"God Hath Not Cast Away HIS people whom HE Foreknew!" Romans 11:2

"Who Hath Saved us, And Called us with a holy Calling, NOT according to our works, But According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which Was Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!" 2 Timothy 1:9

"In WHOM we Have Redemption Through HIS Blood, The Forgiveness Of sins, According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!" Ephesians 1:7

we Have No condemnation, Because CHRIST Died, Is Risen, And Is At The Right Hand Of God, And Makes Intercession For us! Romans 8:34

In CHRIST JESUS we Are Free from the law of sin and death! Romans 8:2

The Spirit Of God Dwells In us! Romans 8:9

we Have Received The Spirit Of Adoption, Whereby we cry, Abba, Father! Romans 8:15

"The Spirit HIMSELF Beareth Witness with our spirit, that we Are the children of God!" Romans 8:16

God Establishes And Anoints us In CHRIST! 2 Corinthians 1:20

God Seals us And Gives us The Earnest Of The Spirit! 2 Corinthians 1:22

cont'd in Part II