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Hey Jesse,

If I may without offending, we have four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John describing this confusing and miraculous day and I feel ( Matthew 28:9) is later in the morning. In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the angels told the women to go tell the 11 that Jesus had risen. In John 20 Mary Magdalene was the first to see the empty tomb and ran and run into Peter and John and they went and she probably went back with them as the other women were arriving, Peter and John went home.

To keep it short; when Jesus met the women, ( Matthew 28:9) they were on their way to tell the 11 when Jesus appeared to them and they held him by his feet. It does not tell us how far they had gone from the sepulchre. You may disagree but that is ok, Matthew 28:9 was after Jesus ascended and returned.

My understanding is when Jesus first ascended in John 20:17, His name was placed above all, what we see in ( Ephesians 1:17-23). Also, I feel this was the fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits, as the smoke of the sheaf of the Firstfruits ascended to God, so the Firstfruits of the dead, who is Jesus ascended to God, I feel that was the reason Jesus did not want Mary to touch Him.

Have a great day and God bless,

RLW

Dgjot, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS understanding and HIS wisdom.

The MORE these verses become TRUTH to you, the more understanding you will receive from God's word.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (SPIRIT) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL (Spirit causes his will to be your will) and do HIS good pleasure.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in Christ) we ALSO have obtained an INHERITANCE (to become Son's of God; exactly like Christ the FIRSTBORN, I am the first (Son) and the last (Son), being predesinated according to the PURPOSE of HIM (Spirit) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the COUNCEL OF HIS WILL.

We are the POT; HE (Spirit) (Life) (Truth) is causing you (all mankind) TO WILL and TO DO what has been purposed; to create you exactly like the SEED (THE WORD) that was PLANTED IN YOU.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (all creation) WAITETH for the manifestation of the Sons of God.

Romans 8:21 For the creature (all creation) ITSELF shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the LIBERTY of the Sons of God.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this world), and keepeth MY WORKS (we are the pot, he is the potter) until the end, to him (the overcomer) will I give POWER over the nations.

Revelation 2:27 And he (the overcomer) shall rule the nations (because you are exactly like Christ, able to judge in righteousness) with a rod of iron; as vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. ( Psalms 2:8-9)

Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy JUDGES as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning, afterwards (after the world is judged) thou shalt be called, The city or righteousness, the faithful city.

Isaiah 26:9 ...when thy JUDGEMENTS (resurrection to judgement) are in the earth, the world will LEARN righteousness.

Proverbs 16:5 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is PURGED ....

Kevin: "who specifically is 'God' that raised Christ?"

RESURRECTION By The Triune GODHEAD!:

(1) The LORD JESUS Raised HIMSELF From the dead!: "JESUS Answered And Said Unto them, Destroy This Temple, and in three days I Will Raise It Up!...But HE Spake Of The Temple Of HIS BODY!" ( John 2:19, John 2:21 cp John 10:17-18) +

(2) God, The Father Raised HIS SON From the dead!: "Whom God Hath Raised Up, Having Loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that He should be holden of it!" ( Acts 2:24 cp Acts 2:32, Acts 3:15, Acts 3:26, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:30, Acts 13:34, Acts 17:31; Romans 4:24, Romans 6:4, Romans 8:11; Ephesians 1:20; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Hebrews 13:20; 1 Peter 1:21) +

(3) The Holy Spirit Raised The LORD JESUS CHRIST From the dead!: "But if The Spirit Of HIM That Raised Up JESUS From the dead Dwell in you, He That raised up CHRIST from the dead Shall Also Quicken your mortal bodies By HIS Spirit That Dwelleth In you." ( Romans 8:11 cp Acts 2:24, Acts 2:32; 1 Peter 3:18)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!

Dear Frances. U know when u are a baby, u cant absolute read att all. When u grow up u will understand. Some like it differently. I like capitalized, becouse i want too give Him the extra greace. And when it comes to the devil i dont. I see some scripture dont use capitalized att all, when they speak of the Lord Him Self. And sometime it looks like it mixed up. It can be confusing. Some scripts have a red under subtitle or Jesus writing in red. Or everything He saids is in red. I dont want too read that at all. Its all about whom who have done the translation. Good luck reading the Holy Scripture. God bless u.

I remember one Frances i met in Jerusalem, he wantet too go to UK.

Why in the bible are all references to God not capitalized? Sometimes when referring to God the text is "HIM" , and in other text it's simply "him" or "he".

Brother Rick, We make thousands of choices every day, but the Spirit causes us to make those choices.

Jesus made choices everyday he walked in the flesh, but he knew his choices were all caused by the SPIRIT. I came to do the will of my Father (the Spirit). Of myself (without the Spirit) I can do nothing.

Coming to this truth is how we will be able to judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS with Christ. The Spirit causes us to judge as the Spirit causes Christ to judge. Can two walk together (be one) except they be agreed? ( Amos 3:3)

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the Spirit) that WORKETH in you (creation, mankind) Both TO WILL (he cause his will to be your will) (he causes his choices to be your choices) and TO DO (the works he wants your labour to accomplish) his good pleasure.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my SPIRIT within you, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my JUDGEMENTS, AND DO THEM.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in the Spirit) also we have obtained an inheritance (being ONE , IN AGREEMENT with the Spirit), being predestinated according to the purpose(THE WILL) (of the Spirit) who WORKETH all things after the counsel of his (the Spirits) own will (not our will).

RLW: "we will be here and we must be prepared":

Now, this is quite interesting, what is your take, RLW, on three of your so-called "prophecy Experts," who Will Be Here, and the "way THEY teach to be prepared"?:

(1) says to {SELFishly?} "hoard UP SEVEN years worth of food for the coming famine"

(2) says to "FLEE from the cities to the protection of the RURAL areas"

(3) says to "FLEE from the U.S. To the safety of Ethiopia"???

(4) maybe you have "another idea" for preparedness?

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Now, those of us, In The Body Of CHRIST:

(A) who are looking, watching, and waiting patiently For The LORD JESUS CHRIST ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1) ( Romans 8:18-19) ( Romans 8:23) ( Romans 8:25) ( 1 Corinthians 1:7) ( Ephesians 6:12-18) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 4:1-3) ( 1 Thessalonians 1:10) ( 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11) ( Titus 2:13)

(B) To Take us home to Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:1) ( 2 Corinthians 5:2) ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20) ( Ephesians 2:6) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 1:5) ( 2 Timothy 4:18)

Believe OUR "preparation" should be to:

(1) Stay where God Has Called us, preaching The Gospel Of GRACE ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9), to the lost,

(2) "studying" God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15), avoiding ALL of the above Confusion, And:

(3) Using our {God-Given} resources to, In "ONE WORD - LOVE our neighbor" ( Galatians 5:14) ( Romans 13:8-10), and {UNselfishly!} teaching/helping those in need!! ALL in "preparation" for:

(C) Judgment ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15) for "rewards" for these! Amen?

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified!

Gerald,

Ephesians 1:14 says, which (or more literally who) is the earnest (or guarantee) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. There are a lot of words in there, but each phrase is very meaty. It's after we heard, after we believed, we were sealed.

There are different kinds of sealings, even in scripture. A slave was branded. That was called a seal, or sign, or a signant. A fence or a hedge around an area was called sealing off the area. We hear it a lot with the police. They'll seal off an area.

And that's the use here. Let me just share this point with you first. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. He doesn't give us a seal. He is the seal. He's the mark of ownership and He has sealed me so that no spiritual force or otherwise can penetrate my spirit. I've been sealed. I've been sealed by the Holy Spirit and filled with the Spirit of Christ.

A person who has received Christ has been sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise who is the guarantee of our inheritance. It's nice to know that in the midst of our weaknesses that the presence of God's Spirit is our guarantee, until the redemption of the purchased possession.

In this use of the word redemption, it's making reference to the coming of Christ, when redemption is realized. Redemption means purchased. We've been purchased and we're sitting at the will call window. He hasn't picked us up yet. But when Christ comes, He's going to come for the purchased possession. That's you and me!

You might take note of Ephesians 4:30. It tells us that we are sealed with the Spirit of God "until" Christ comes. I'm preserved. I'm being kept for Christ at His coming. That's my guarantee that I am preserved for Him. Paul gives the doxology at the end of the verse. He says, unto the praise of His glory!

Amen Dave.

Thanks! I will note that.

Definitely helpful.

God bless.

Hi Geoffrey.

Part 3.

Purchased Possession seated in Heavenly places.

Revelation 5:7-13. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast ( REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; )

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

NOTE: ALL BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!!

God bless.

Hi Geoffrey.

Part 2.of 3.

Now that we have been loosed from the curse of the law, We take these verses in consideration.

NOW READ "ALL" OF ROMANS 7.

It clears up some of the trouble people have with Romans 7.

.......... Romans 7:2. For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is LOOSED FROM THE LAW OF HER HUSBAND.........

Also.

Colossians 3:3-4. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Also

Ephesians 2:5-6. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS:

There's many others but look ahead to Revelation where Christ Claims his possession!!!

Revelation 5:1-6. And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

See part 3.

S Spencer That word sealed is the word sphragizo long o which means to put on a royal untouchable and irreversable stamp on the complete work accomplished. Just an addition to what you shared.

Hi Geoffrey.

Ephesians 1:13-14. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

This is a deep saying here!

First we heard the Gospel of our salvation.

We believed it.

And right away we were SEALED with the Holyspirit of promise.

Which is the EARNEST/"DOWN PAYMENT" of our inheritance.

UNTIL the redemption of the PURCHASED POSSESSION!!! Unto the praise of his glory.

Let's look into this, First of all we were sealed with the Holyspirit of promise! "Eternal security "

We are sealed "WITH" the Holyspirit of promise, Which is the Down-payment of our inheritance. UNTIL the redemption of the PURCHASED possession.

Jesus prayed in Mathew 26:39-45. three times if there be any other way take this cup from him. "And the Father never relieved him from this burden, So the price of this redemption, and the purchased possession was the highest of value!!

And It was the blood of Christ that bought us. HE WILL REDEEM HIS PURCHASE. You have been SEALED "Providing that in your heart you truly believed " This puts

John 10:28. in mind.

NOTE:

Acts 20:28. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.

Here's What we were redeemed from:



Galatians 3:13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The law brought death, Paul said when the law came he died. There is nothing to add to what Christ paid to redeem us, If so God would have answered his prayer.

And "IF" you have you have been SEALED you "ARE" barring fruit because you have been given the Holyspirit.

God bless.

Geoffrey This is in regard to the receiving of the gift if holy spirit of Christ in you we have been sealed by God I.E. bought, redeemed, purchased, verse 14 which is the earnest the pledge or the certainty until the redemption, the word redemption is a loosing away in other words when we are taken up at Christ return for the Church which his is body, Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs of the same body, that body is the body of Christ. It is the mystery that was Hid in God from the foundation of the world. Good Stuff God Bless

Comment on verse Ephesian1:13-14

Hi my suggestion is that you read a few chapter from old testament beginning at genesis and a few from new testament, beginning at Matthew. Hod bless you.

Hi GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE},

Thanks so much for the advise, I will follow what you said and complete the bible in one year.

Many Thanks

Naresh

Hi Naresh.

I'm attempting to refresh your question.

God bless.

Precious friend, Naresh. You do realize reading and studying are two different things? I would suggest "reading" to be 3-5 (or more, IF you wish...) chapters a day and that will take about a year to "read" the Whole Bible (KJV). This is good so that you can "...live By EVERY Word That Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God." ( Deuteronomy 8:3) ( Matthew 4:4) ( Luke 4:4)

For life-long "studying" I recommend starting With: "What God Is Doing Today, Under GRACE, And Specifically WHO HE IS, And HIS Salvation For us," found in Romans Through Philemon, KJV, prayerfully And Carefully, and study According To The Following Bible "study" Rules: ( 1 Corinthians 14:40) ( 2 Timothy 2:15) ( Deuteronomy 4:2) ( Deuteronomy 12:32) ( Proverbs 30:5-6) ( Revelation 22:18-19 KJB!) ( Acts 17:11) ( Isaiah 28:10) ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17) ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17) ( 1 Corinthians 2:13)

The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is The BIBLE Itself!:

NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of God's Pure And Holy Word!

Finally:

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do ALL to The Glory Of God!" ( 1 Corinthians 10:31)

Naresh, hope this helps on your reading/studying journey, and saves you from a lot of Confusion of the enemy...

Sister Melinda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, in this world (age) neither in the world to come (age).

The Word of God was written by the HOLY SPIRIT ( 1 Peter 1:21), the HOLY SPIRIT is in you ( Colossians 1:27) ( Ephesians 4:6)

To blashpheme the Holy Spirit means to NOT BELIEVE (reject) what he is saying to you through his written word and the LIVING WORD that is IN YOU.

By not believing, or rejecting his WORD; you would not be saved in this age or in the coming age(s); but will be judged in the coming age(s).

After the next age, possibly ages, you will AGAIN be able to be saved.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULNESS OF TIMES (ages) he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; EVEN IN HIM.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things (in this and the coming ages) shall be subdued (they will confess him as LORD) unto him (Christ), then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be subject unto him (the Father) that put all things under him (Christ), that GOD (the Father) may be ALL IN ALL.

No one is going to be left out of the Kingdom of God; but most want come into the kingdom in the age we are now in.

Hi, I am a regular church goer for the past 4 years. I want to seriously study the bible from genesis to revelation. It is tough for me to understand the word of god. Which book in the bible should I start reading and following the rest. I like the KJV authorised version initially very tough, but I can manage. Please can you advise what would be plan of study to complete the bible.

Sister Loretta:

Romans 8:20 For the creature (CREATION) was made (by God through Christ) subject to vanity (to sin), NOT WILLINGLY (creation had no say in the matter). BUT by REASON (total knowledge and wisdom) of HIM (GOD) who hath subjected the same (CREATION) in HOPE (redemption and deliverance by the WORKS of God through Christ),

Romans 8 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (CREATION) WAITETH (till the second resurrection) for the manifestation (first resurrection) of the sons of God (The SEED of GOD).

Romans 8:21 But the creature (CREATION) ITSELF also shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the GLORIOUS LIBERTY of the children of God.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULNESS OF TIMES he might gather IN ONE all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even IN HIM:

Acts 3:21 Whom the HEAVEN (Son of God) must receive until the TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS, which God hath spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets since the world begin.

John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.

Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Romans 9:23 And that he might make know the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath afore prepared unto glory,

Romans 11:31 Even so have these now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Jesse said: "a non-believer can become a believer and still not be forgiven. A person has to be born of God's Spirit in order to be forgiven and saved. Belief is important, but belief itself does not bring salvation. Receiving Jesus Christ and being born of His Spirit is what saves a person. With that salvation comes forgiveness."? According To Plain/Clear Scriptures?:

Precious friend, then I must Misunderstand: "Repent, and Believe The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God"? = "Believe On CHRIST, His Death, Burial, and Resurrection, by GRACE Through faith {BELIEF, trust}." ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:5-9)?

I must Misunderstand "trusting CHRIST" In ( Ephesians 1:12)? Also:

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of The LORD, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and BELIEF of The Truth:" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13)?

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that BELIEVE..." ( Romans 3:22)? compare ( Romans 4:11) ( Romans 4:24) ( 1 Corinthians 1:21) ( Galatians 3:22) ( Ephesians 1:19) ( Philippians 1:29) ( 1 Thessalonians 1:7) ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:14) ( 2 Thessalonians 1:10)

Finally IF I BELIEVE, "but sins are NOT forgiven," how is it that I HAVE Life Everlasting, According To ALL The above Plain And Clear Scriptures About "BELIEF"?:

"Howbeit for this cause I obtained MERCY, that in me first JESUS CHRIST might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter BELIEVE ON HIM to Life Everlasting." ( 1 Timothy 1:16)?

Upon my BELIEF Of Truth, did not The Holy Spirit Baptize ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) me Into The Body Of CHRIST, God "forgiving my sins," in the twinkling of an eye?

Now, IF you are referring to "water baptism for the remission of sins" that is altogether

Another Different Bible study we could pursue, IF you wish...

Respectfully, ChrisE

Concerning "the birthday" of the church? "the beginning of the church {GR. ekklesia = assembly} of God in operation started day of Pentecost."? There is another Bible view of this, eliminating a lot of confusion:

(1) The Pentecostal assembly was God's Continuation of prophecy and law for Israel, the assembly Jesus showed HIS Twelve apostles, "on the EARTH," in ( Matthew 16:18)

a) This assembly is "associated" with water baptism AND Baptism By Christ, Pouring Out "WITH" HIS Holy Spirit, for "powers, signs, and wonders," and healing everyone, Correct?

However, with Right Division ( 2 Timothy 2:15), we have, for God's GRACE And MYSTERY:

(2) The GRACE church of today is a "New Creation" showed To Paul, HIS ONE apostle:

"If any man [be] In CHRIST, [he is] a New Creature..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:17)

A) This "New Creation" is actually The Body Of CHRIST, which was UNknown in Matthew, being "Hidden In God" ( Ephesians 3:9), until Paul:

B) God Saved, By GRACE and MERCY, Paul as our "Pattern = in me FIRST..." ( 1 Timothy 1:16)

C) Since Paul was The FIRST man IN The Body of CHRIST, It is Called "the ONE New man"

( Ephesians 2:15)

D) This assembly, showed To Paul, from CHRIST, "IN HEAVEN," has "Associations" with:

(1) The ONE Baptism, "BY" The Holy Spirit, Identifying/Unifying new "members" with The Body Of CHRIST, "Seated In the Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20)

( Ephesians 2:6) ( Ephesians 3:10)

(2) God's Amazing GRACE for our "infirmities, suffering, trouble, and tribulations" ( Romans 5:1-5) ( Romans 8:18) ( Romans 8:26-29) ( 1 Corinthians 10:13) ( 2 Corinthians 1:3-4) ( 2 Corinthians 4:17) ( 2 Corinthians 12:9) ( Philippians 3:21)

Thus, "solving the confusion IF signs, wonders, and miracles, FOR US, today"?! Amen?

An Informative/Edifying Biblical article is "The Birthday of the Church" by Ricky Kurth. Enjoy!

Brother Rick: God is ACCOUNTABLE for his CREATION. This is why before the foundations of the world were laid, Christ was predestinated to REDEEM creation.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Romans 9:19 Thou will say unto me, why then doth he yet find fault (why does he say we sin when he is causing everything)? For who has resisted his will (no one has resisted his will, most do not BELIEVE ( Philippians 2:13) he is causing them to do HIS WILL)?

Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel of HONOUR and another unto DISHONOUR?

Because creation was made this way ( Romans 8:20) by God, and God is ACCOUNTABLE to his CREATION, he has SENT his SON to REDEEM CREATION.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness OF TIMES he might gather together IN ONE all things IN CHRIST .......

Man says God isn't going to be accountable to creation, but instead condemn them to Hell. God's word says he will be accountable to creation.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father SENT the SON to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

BY DEFINITION you CANNOT be the saviour of the world; without, SAVING THE WORLD.

Brother Glenn:

While we suffer in this body of flesh, we are flesh; gods of this world (Satan's children). But we can know the truth of what's TO COME.

God is SPIRIT; Christ was born of Spirit (God); therefore Christ is Spirit (God).

We are BORN AGAIN of Spirit, receiving only the down payment. But when we receive the FULL PAYMENT we also become a God as is Christ.

Ephesians 1:17 That THE GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit

of WISDOM and REVELATION in the knowledge of him:

Ephesians 4:6 One GOD and FATHER of ALL.....

God is the Father of Christ, Christ is a Son of God. All the FULLNESS of God is in him; therefore he is a God. Christ IS NOT the Father, WE ARE NOT Christ , but will have the FULLNESS of God therefore we will be a God.

This happens when we are REDEEMED at the death of our fleshly body.

James also look at Ephesians 1:4-13 good stuff.

Hi Richard.

Part 1.

I personal believe they are, I believe they're saved by the same means as everyone else. Faith in the sacrificial lamb our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe the skins provided by the Lord himself speaks of that. The Lord speaks to us by Allegories, similitudes, ect.. And we know they brought sacrifices to the lord and all these sacrifices pointed to the Lord .

Genesis 4:4. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: " This was asked of them" As I will attempt to bring forward with more scripture.

Hebrews 11:4. ( BY FAITH ) Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. "We know faith comes by hearing". Romans 10-17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Christ was foreordained to come into the world to make remission for sins before the world begun.

And before Adam and Eve sinned.

Ephesians 1:4.

1 Peter 1:20.

Titus 1:1-3.

While we are on this topic conjectural view I have.

Look what happens immediately after they have bitten of the tree of knowledge.

Genesis 3:7. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

"It seems them knowing they were naked was the main reason to keep them from eating on the tree of knowledge."

The tree of knowledge was the focal point before they ate, Them knowing they were naked is the focal point afterwards.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was "naked;" and I hid myself.

And he said, Who told thee that thou wast "naked?" Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Part 2.

Consequences of knowing.

GOD BLESS.

Nelvan:

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ .....

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be THE GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...

Ray You are in need of total change of focus mentally, In the old testament He sent His word and healed them and delivered them from their fears. Change your head change your life. Scriptures are light and life. Here's a few 2 Timothy 1:7, 2 Peter 2:24, John 14:12-14, also you must act on what the word of God says we have been given. I.E. Romans 5:1-9, Romans 8:28-39, 1 John 3:1+2, 1 John 3:20-22, 2 Peter 1:1-8, never focus the negative. Remember what you have been given was and is Gods good pleasure, and it blessed Him because He desired a family us, Ephesians 1: 1-11, so there get the light of the word in. I'll be praying for you.