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  • Chris - In Reply on Joshua 5 - 5 years ago
    Joshua 5:1-7 seems to indicate that the rite of circumcision that is normally performed on male Israelite boys on the eighth day after birth, was not being done since the days of Israel's bondage in Egypt. While on their journey to the Promised Land, this act of being marked out as belonging to the God of Israel, was neglected during their onward march.

    So in verse 2, we read, "At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time". This "second time" phrase is misleading & certainly cannot mean a re-circumcision as that is not really possible nor required. I feel that we can understand it to mean that "what Israel had neglected to do according to God's directions, they must now do as a second (or, renewed) act to perform. So these who will now been circumcised would not just be babies but also men, as the rite has been re-established, which was once overlooked.

    But if you're also enquiring about the rite of circumcision, then this physical cutting was the permanent sign required by God that Israel was a separated people, different from any other people or nation ("a token of the Covenant betwixt Me & you", Deut 10:16). If it were only a marking on the flesh, then this would over time be obliterated, but circumcision would permanently show a separation of a people to God. For the Christian, circumcision & all Jewish rites are not observed, as Jesus death & resurrection & gift of the Holy Spirit meant that it would no longer be our skin, but our hearts that would be circumcised, as sin would no longer reign in us ( Colossians 2:11). And this, God also would do for Israel ( Deuteronomy 30:6) which is what circumcision of the flesh should direct all God's people to have: circumcision of the heart. But how often we fail, as Israel failed - but we find forgiveness at the Cross.
  • Mishael - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 1:26 - 5 years ago
    The Godhead Scriptures

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    There's only 10 scriptures proving it.

    However I found another one tonight.

    Wow...eleven Holy Scriptures; Divine and Inspired. Written in the Bible on paper and not altered by people.
  • The actual Godhead Scriptures in the KJV Bible - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    There are only 10 scriptures proving it:

    Mishael
  • FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT on John 10 - 5 years ago
    2 Timothy 2:22-26

    Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

    23

    But foolish and unlearned questions AVOID, knowing that they do gender (cause) STRIFES.

    24

    And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

    25

    In meekness instructing those that OPPOSE themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    26

    And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the DEVIL, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    2 Timothy 3:5

    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    2 Timothy 4:3-4

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    I STRONGLY SUGGEST WE DO NOT ARGUE ABOUT THE GODHEAD

    Genesis 1:1, 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    There is only 10 scriptures Proving it.

    Mishael
  • Nathan Unger - In Reply on Revelation 12 - 5 years ago
    Rob, what of Colossians 2:9 then?
  • Albert on Matthew 28 - 5 years ago
    The Great Commission of Matthew 28:19 is one of the greatest commands in the Bible. Jesus told his disciples to "GO". We are to go therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost. Baptism is essential. If it were not, Jesus would not have given us this command. We Must baptize by immersion, the way they did it in biblical times, in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and HolyGhost. Father, Son, and HolyGhost are not a single name. So what is the name of the Father, and what is the name of the Son, and what is the name of the HolyGhost. Jesus said in St. John 17:6 that He manifested the name of the Father to the world. Colossians clearly tells us that all of Godhead rest in Jesus( Colossians 2:9). Therefore, we are to be baptized in the Name of Jesus. None of the apostles baptized using the titles Father, Son, and HolyGhost. They understood the Great Commission that He gave them. Jesus is the Name of the Father, Son, and the HolyGhost. He is the Father in creation. All things were made by Him(John1:3). He is the Son in redemption; for without the shedding of blood, there would be no remission of sin. God is a Spirit. The invisible God became visible in flesh(John1:14; Isaiah 40:3; 1Timothy3:16; Revelation 1:13; Colossians 2:9, etc) Jesus is the HolyGhost that fell on believers in the upper room ( Acts 2:4). No one in biblical times was baptized any other way--except in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This Great Commission is going all over the world. Jesus is the Messiah, He is the name of Savior of the world. Neither is there salvation in any other for there is no other name under heaven given whereby we must be saved( Acts 4:12). Therefore, we must adhere to the words of the Great Commission given by our Savior and go into the world baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost. Teaching them to observe all things, and lo I am with you even unto the end of the world
  • Starbux - In Reply on Romans 6:3 - 5 years ago
    ... John 3:3-7 fulfilled in Acts 2:38-39 is water baptism. We are baptized into Christ in Romans 6:3-6 is by water. Same as Colossians 2:12. Same as 1st Peter 18-21. Same as Galations 3:27
  • The Godhead Scriptures LET US - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 5 years ago
    Romans 1:20

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Colossians 2:9

    For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    The Godhead speaking to each other, in Scripture:

    Genesis 1:26, Genesis 3:22, Genesis 11:7

    1 John 5:7, Book of John 10:30

    Acts 17:27-30

    The Godhead represents The Father, The Son of God, the Holy Spirit.

    Comment: many people argue on this and this is a case of: Let God be true and every man a liar. Don't twist scriptures to validate your theories.

    Jesus left heaven to come to earth and His name was the Son of man: fully God and fully human. He set aside his power to begin life as a baby, child and at age 30 he began his mission: to teach, make disciples, heal the sick, cleanse the leper's, cast out demons, doing good.

    He was put on trial for blasphemy: saying he and His Father are ONE. He was judged and ordered to be crucified. He even saved one of the thieves he was crucified next to. Buried 3 days and then He walked out of the tomb! Many people went on record having seen him walking around after resurrection. It's recorded in the Bible and human history books. His ascension back into heaven was eye witnessed. Later, Jesus knocked Paul off his horse, blinded him but other people there HEARD an audible voice speak to Paul. It was Jesus!

    Flash back to Pentecost: the Holy Spirit of God appears in the Upper Room as a roaring Wind and everyone receives His Baptism! It spills out into the street and everyone is hearing their own languages spoken! Many people were saved that day. He is spirit, so he is invisible; but unmistakably present in our world. He reveals Jesus to common people every day.

    Life is EXCITING! Why would anyone turn down so great a salvation? Copy this down & preach it to family and friends.

    Stop procrastinating!

    M.
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 5 years ago
    Speaking of Jesus:

    But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. ( Micah 5:2)

    Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. ( John 8:58)

    Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ( John 14:9)

    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ( 2 Corinthians 5:19)

    In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. ( Colossians 1:14-17)

    Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( Colossians 2:8-9)
  • Jesus Existed Before He was born the Som of Man on 1 Corinthians 10 - 5 years ago
    I found other scriptures. The scripture 1 John 5:7 should be enough. Jesus name before Bethlehem is the WORD.

    Hebrews 7:3, speaking of Melchizedek, says: "but made Like unto the Son of God.."

    John 1:1-5, 14 clearly shows that Jesus, the Word; was in the beginning with God.

    Ephesians 1:4, 9-10

    Proverbs 8:22-31

    Psalms 33:6, Psalm 2:7

    Colossians 1:16-19

    Colossians 2:9

    1 Corinthians 8:6

    Note: the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, declared Jesus Begotten: NOT made.
  • Chris - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 5 years ago
    Yes. Rom 11:12-14: "Now if the fall of them (Israel) be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh (Israel), and might save some of them."

    His primary ministry was to the Gentiles, but that didn't stop Paul for taking opportunities to minister to his own people, the Jews. Also read Acts chapter 13 for an example of his ministry to the Jews also.
  • Pauline doctrine on Colossians 2 - 5 years ago
    Is Paul the apostle to the gentiles?
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 5 years ago
    The Church is not commanded to keep the Sabbath. The command is specific to the LORD's covenant with Israel:

    Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. ( Exodus 31:16)

    And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. ( Deuteronomy 5:15)

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ( Colossians 2:16-17)
  • Richard on Ecclesiasticus 7:1 - 5 years ago
    Hopefully only to help. If any believe the Ten Commandments shouldn't be followed. For any reason. Here is a detailed explanation surrounding them. And more even than that. "Above all things put on Love". God Bless everyone!

    Colossians 2:20-23

    Colossians 3:1-25
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 5 years ago
    The best reason to worship on Sunday is to celebrate Jesus rising from the dead on the first day of the week ( Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20).

    It is not a requirement to honor a particular time of worship because Jesus said, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." ( Matthew 18:20).

    Colossians 2:16-17

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    Galatians 5 declares our liberty in Christ, for if we are justified by law we are fallen from grace. Ironically, the Pharisees worked so hard to maintain the Sabbath that it became oppressive. Many still work to establish their own righteousness, not submitting to the righteousness of God (only found in Christ Jesus) Romans 10.

    Hebrews 4 is an excellent lesson on rest for today.
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 72 - 5 years ago
    Dear Dan,

    I'm replying to your comment on the sabbath. While I agree that it would seem strange to follow only 9 of the 10 commandments, Jesus did treat the commandment about the sabbath differently than the others and there is scripture evidence that suggests the sabbath is not equal to the other commandments.

    The reason is Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath himself! If he were alive today and you saw Jesus heal someone or do some 'work', would you accuse and judge Him of it? That's what the Pharisees did and Jesus rebuked them. So, Jesus made a clear point that it's ok to do good work on the sabbath. Mark 2:27. There are also interesting verses like Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5. This shows the original reason Israelites needed to observe the Sabbath: Deuteronomy 5:15.

    So, did Jesus fulfill the sabbath or did he not?
  • The Godhead Explained - In Reply on Genesis 3:22 - 5 years ago
    US is the LET US in 2 of the Godhead scriptures. They were discussing a situation amongst themselves: 3 Persons in the Godhead: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

    Romans 1:20

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Colossians 2:9

    For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7; 1 John 5:7

    John 10:30 and Acts 17: 27-30

    Write those down. It comes up in conversation a lot.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Colossians 2:15 - 5 years ago
    Where do you live? If USA, go to Salvation Army or a goodwill store. Make sure it's an authorized King James Version or new King James Version.

    You can always call 700 Club and they will send you a Bible in your language.

    1-800-700-7000
  • Stanjett - In Reply on Colossians 2:15 - 5 years ago
    You can download the KJV bible online. .
  • Olalekan ayomide on Colossians 2:15 - 5 years ago
    I don't have a bible
  • Grace regarding 1 Peter 12 - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 5 years ago
    Hello Gar,

    I'm interested to know about which old documents you are referring. What reference or proof do you have that the word "elect" was not in the original Greek? I'm hoping this is true, but it could be too difficult for anyone to show this because of lost scrolls, fake documents accepted as authentic by some, and just too many centuries have passed

    Anyway, I've checked that the ancient Greek word eklektos was translated correctly as the adjective "elect" in the 1611 KJV. Others translated it as "chosen". Note that eklektos is an adjective, a descriptor, a word that is an attribute or characteristic. It is not a noun or a verb or even the past tense of the verbs to choose, to select & to elect as Calvinists have misinterpreted and misunderstood. Example sentence starting with an adj. : (Sam is) Amusing according to Kim's letters

    Eklektos must be translated as a characteristic or quality as it was intended to be descriptive. So, in English the adjectival meaning of 'Elect' is: worthy to be chosen, favourite, preferred, and or "selected for an office, but not yet inducted". Likewise, when "chosen" is used instead of 'elect' as an adjective, chosen means: preferred, to be selective from a number (of available). 'Preferred' would've been the better English translation to stop the arguments

    What's more, "foreknowledge" is "prognosis" in ancient Greek. So that sentence means 'We are preferred by God, according to His ability to see into the future, to be sanctified for obedience'. It's not the Calvinist 'The Chosen Ones according to His will'

    3 different bible versions have all used the same document for 1st Pete1:2

    21st Century KJV

    2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through sanctification of the Spirit, unto...

    New Life Version

    You were chosen by God the Father long ago. He knew you were to become His children. You were set apart for holy living by...

    NIV Study Bible 1984

    who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, .
  • Geneva Haynes on Colossians 2 - 5 years ago
    The place of Goshen. What is God saying to me today.
  • Gar on Colossians 2 - 5 years ago
    Why does 1 Peter 1:2 in the KJV use the word "ELECT," and yet is not found in the original Greek?
  • Alexis - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 5 years ago
    thank u so much!
  • Bible Stories For Teens - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 6 years ago
    I just looked on YouTube, and go in there and type: Teen Bible Stories forgiveness

    I just watched one and they're good. :)

    The best Bible story of a young teen is the one about David, who would be King someday. Also Samuel.

    Allow me to caution that most videos on YouTube are NOT edifying (makes you feel happy inside). Be wise beloved son, of God.
  • Alexis - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 6 years ago
    tbh im 13 i was saved at 12 and i kinda dont get this and im tryna look for bible stories on forgiveness any help?
  • Lori on Colossians 2:15 - 6 years ago
    Amen -we must preach and teach the Gospel of repentance and remission of sins for it is this Gospel that shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations and then shall the END come. He that endures to the END, the same shall be saved. There is only "One Faith of JESUS"
  • Carleton on Jeremiah 15 - 6 years ago
    The body of the Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus Christ ( Colossians 2:16 & 17) allowing by the work on the cross in it's fulfillment to make rest for the soul. Man by separated from God by sin can have his sin in the body of Jesus Christ nailed to the cross.

    Here is Colossians 2:14

    "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

    And Romans 5:20

    "Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:"

    Jesus's words in Matthew 11:29

    "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and I will give you rest"

    The soul of a born again member of mankind can have this sabbath rest in every day of their lives as long as rest from their own works of sin: rest meaning not to enter them again.

    :)
  • Greg - In Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2 - 6 years ago
    Eric,

    Well-spoken concerning LAW of God NOT being abolished!

    Specific ordinances from the Law were fulfilled and no longer needed, not the entire Law (Hebrews ch. 9, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14).

    It was only certain ordinances that were taken out of the way ( 1 Corinthians 11:2).

    The Law of BLOOD SACRIFICE (circumcision, Passover lamb, goat of atonement, etc.) has been taken out of the way, and the right to worship in the Temple in Jerusalem has been replaced by we who make up the body of Christ. We are His Temple.

    I don't understand how people say that the Law is no longer needed.

    We are all under the 10 Commandments.

    Everyone that sins needs the Lawthat's everybody, every day.

    Acts ch. 15 did simplify the requirements for the Gentiles. BUT, that was for NEW Gentile converts and was the BASICS of what they were to follow. The more they understood, the more they could handle.

    Acts 15:19-20 "WE TROUBLE NOT THEM, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

    The basics, until they come up to speed.

    Everybody that uses Colossians 2:16-17 as their belief that the Law is abolished should understand that this also concerned those that were newly converted GENTILES.

    That is why Paul says "Let no man therefore judge you"

    We are not the judge.
  • Greg - In Reply on James 1 - 6 years ago
    Chris,

    Page 2

    e / f / g) Again, I agree with you that Christ came to fulfill the Law.

    However, I believe that the "Law" was the blood (and certain ceremonial) "ordinances" Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:20, that His blood on the cross made acceptable "once for all" Hebrews 10:10. As Matthew 5:18 states; "till ALL be fulfilled."

    ALL has not been fulfilled yet. The rest of the Law stands.

    I try my best to follow the Law. However I look at Romans 3:28 and Romans 7:5-6 in this way:

    What sets us apart from the Law is our ability to be forgiven (no longer through blood sacrifice by a priest on an altar) but through Jesus. Forgiveness has to do with sin. I don't need forgiveness if I have not sinned. Sin has to do with BREAKING THE LAW. Forgiveness is what leads to redemption, and EVERYONE needs forgiveness EVERYDAY. When we sin we put ourselves under the Law; I don't see how we can't.

    The following of the LAW and the doing of good WORKS will lead us straight into the GRACE of God and His only Begotten.

    I will send you the Enoch calendar info. on another page


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